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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Kevin Anthoney"
Date: 12 May 2004 03:08:46 PM
Object: OT: New Hubble Pic
OK, so this one's not much to look at. But it could be the first actual
photo of a planet orbiting another star.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3707185.stm
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
.

User: "Goodness Godless"

Title: Re: New Hubble Pic 12 May 2004 03:19:08 PM
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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OK, so this one's not much to look at. But it could be the first actual
photo of a planet orbiting another star.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3707185.stm

--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com

Yes! Wow, I was going to post this.
Just to know what the lenth of it year is and some real data.
We may still be alone, but this if it is replicated, is a real
'other' solar system.
And less that 100 light years away.
--
Goodness Godless
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: New Hubble Pic 13 May 2004 12:54:20 AM
In article <1084392987.60063@athnrd02.forthnet.gr>,
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote:

"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:da0b0$40a2844e$51569c09$16470@nf3.news-service-com...



OK, so this one's not much to look at. But it could be the first actual
photo of a planet orbiting another star.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3707185.stm

--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com


Yes! Wow, I was going to post this.
Just to know what the lenth of it year is and some real data.
We may still be alone, but this if it is replicated, is a real
'other' solar system.
And less that 100 light years away.

I was going to post it too. This is exiting stuff. Damn! I hope that
they don't let Hubble die. At least until we get a replacement.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.
User: "Fester"

Title: Re: New Hubble Pic 13 May 2004 07:51:43 AM
"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-7828A1.22542012052004@news-60.giganews.com...

In article <1084392987.60063@athnrd02.forthnet.gr>,
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote:

"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:da0b0$40a2844e$51569c09$16470@nf3.news-service-com...



OK, so this one's not much to look at. But it could be the first

actual

photo of a planet orbiting another star.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3707185.stm

--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com


Yes! Wow, I was going to post this.
Just to know what the lenth of it year is and some real data.
We may still be alone, but this if it is replicated, is a real
'other' solar system.
And less that 100 light years away.


I was going to post it too. This is exiting stuff. Damn! I hope that
they don't let Hubble die. At least until we get a replacement.

Not too take this too far off-subject, but IMHO, we do not have a culture
that is compatible with manned space flight. By this I mean that we in the
US are for too unwilling to take the risks and occasional failure necessary.
When one looks back at the 1950's, for example, test pilots regularly died
to try to prove a new concept. We knew it was happening and were willing
to allow knowledgable, brave men to take calculated risks. The same was
true during the Apollo program. The loss of our first space shuttle stalled
our space program for years. The same is true currently. Manned space
flight is dangerous. The monetary price of reducing the risks to levels our
public now is willing to accept places our ability to conduct it beyond what
it is worth.
I am a huge fan of space exploration. I would love to see us continue to
explore and learn. Space exporation is a key to understanding so many of
the big questions that remain unanswered. For this reason, I hope that we
significantly curtail our manned flight activites and put that money towards
unmanned craft. Look at all we're learning from the Mars explorers. As you
noted, Hubble has been and continues to be a magnificent craft. Think about
the quality of space observation tools we could have if we spent a fraction
of the cost of shuttle and space station budgets on unmanned vehicles.
Someday people will become a space-faring race. I don't want to discount
the importance of taking steps in preparation of that day. I just feel that
the it is too far off and that we are not yet prepared to do what it take
sot make real progress in that direction. We are too unwilling to pay the
price in terms of dollars and lives to pursue it today. But by continuing
to try, in half-hearted way, we are postponing our ability to learn what we
will need to know about our universe by sacrificing what is currently our
best methods of discovery.
.
User: "Goodness Godless"

Title: Re: New Hubble Pic 13 May 2004 07:50:50 PM
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-7828A1.22542012052004@news-60.giganews.com...

In article <1084392987.60063@athnrd02.forthnet.gr>,
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote:

"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:da0b0$40a2844e$51569c09$16470@nf3.news-service-com...



OK, so this one's not much to look at. But it could be the first

actual

photo of a planet orbiting another star.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3707185.stm

Sorry to get back a bit later, but (and I am sure *they must of thought of
this.)
But why do we not have a Hubble around Mars or even Jupiter.
Simple Geonometry, would say this was a Grand idea?
--
Goodness Godless
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: New Hubble Pic 14 May 2004 12:37:20 AM
In article <zbKoc.43410$jU.2427090@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:

"johac" <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-7828A1.22542012052004@news-60.giganews.com...

In article <1084392987.60063@athnrd02.forthnet.gr>,
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote:

"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:da0b0$40a2844e$51569c09$16470@nf3.news-service-com...



OK, so this one's not much to look at. But it could be the first

actual

photo of a planet orbiting another star.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3707185.stm

--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com


Yes! Wow, I was going to post this.
Just to know what the lenth of it year is and some real data.
We may still be alone, but this if it is replicated, is a real
'other' solar system.
And less that 100 light years away.


I was going to post it too. This is exiting stuff. Damn! I hope that
they don't let Hubble die. At least until we get a replacement.


Not too take this too far off-subject, but IMHO, we do not have a culture
that is compatible with manned space flight. By this I mean that we in the
US are for too unwilling to take the risks and occasional failure necessary.
When one looks back at the 1950's, for example, test pilots regularly died
to try to prove a new concept. We knew it was happening and were willing
to allow knowledgable, brave men to take calculated risks. The same was
true during the Apollo program. The loss of our first space shuttle stalled
our space program for years. The same is true currently. Manned space
flight is dangerous. The monetary price of reducing the risks to levels our
public now is willing to accept places our ability to conduct it beyond what
it is worth.

I am a huge fan of space exploration. I would love to see us continue to
explore and learn. Space exporation is a key to understanding so many of
the big questions that remain unanswered. For this reason, I hope that we
significantly curtail our manned flight activites and put that money towards
unmanned craft. Look at all we're learning from the Mars explorers. As you
noted, Hubble has been and continues to be a magnificent craft. Think about
the quality of space observation tools we could have if we spent a fraction
of the cost of shuttle and space station budgets on unmanned vehicles.

Someday people will become a space-faring race. I don't want to discount
the importance of taking steps in preparation of that day. I just feel that
the it is too far off and that we are not yet prepared to do what it take
sot make real progress in that direction. We are too unwilling to pay the
price in terms of dollars and lives to pursue it today. But by continuing
to try, in half-hearted way, we are postponing our ability to learn what we
will need to know about our universe by sacrificing what is currently our
best methods of discovery.

I agree. Manned fights grab the headlines, but unmanned flights do the
science. We need better technology before we undertake extensive human
space travel. Chemical rockets are suitable for launching instruments
but not people into space.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.

User: "nobody"

Title: Re: New Hubble Pic 13 May 2004 09:27:49 AM
On Thu, 13 May 2004 12:51:43 GMT, "Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:

I am a huge fan of space exploration. I would love to see us continue to
explore and learn. Space exporation is a key to understanding so many of
the big questions that remain unanswered. For this reason, I hope that we
significantly curtail our manned flight activites and put that money towards
unmanned craft.

Agreed. Manned exploration is a huge and utterly irresponsible waste
of money at this point in time. Maybe in 100 to 200 years we will have
the technology and economics that will make it worthwhile for that but
it's pointless to try to do that now. It's like attempting to run when
we cannot even crawl. What's the urgency of sending man to Mars? What
exactly did we accomplish by sending man on the moon? And what after
Mars? It's completely unthinkable for manned flights to exit the solar
system in the foreseeable future so we cannot even say we are building
up for something grander. Remote probes, earthbound satellites and
telescopic exploration will give us all the science that we want and
need for the next century or more. I would like us to continue build
up on the successes of the likes of IRAS, COBE and Hubble...etc, as
well as the various planetary probes.
.





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