Religions > Atheism > OT: News - forget the real issue, let's investigate who told the truth!
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This demonstrates the true depths of moral cowardice in
Washington today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110/ap_on_go_co/leaks_investigation
Finding out who revealed the CIA is torturing innocent people is
more important than finding out who's responsible for the false
pretenses that led to the deaths of 100,000 innocents and two
unnecessary wars.
Bob Dog
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EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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House to Probe CIA Prisons Leak
By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - The House Intelligence Committee will look into a
possible leak of classified information about secret CIA prisons
but will not reopen its 2003 inquiry into prewar intelligence on
Iraq.
As calls for intelligence-related reviews grow on Capitol Hill,
Rep. Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., said Thursday his committee will
study several specific leaks of classified information, including
a Nov. 2 Washington Post story that discussed the existence of
secret CIA prisons overseas.
The story said the "black sites" were in eight countries,
including democracies in Eastern Europe. Hoekstra would not
confirm the story's accuracy or whether the prisons exist.
"The depth of the leaks that we have seen in the intelligence
community over the last 12 to 18 months have done irreparable
harm to our ability to effectively conduct the war on terror,"
Hoekstra said.
When classified activities overseas are disclosed, he said,
foreign intelligence agencies see their involvement leaked to
the American press, hurting crucial relationships.
California Rep. Jane Harman, the committee's top Democrat, said
the committee should return to its work on the prewar
intelligence on Iraq. She was echoing efforts of Senate Democrats
to draw attention to the administration's mistakes on the war.
The House committee, then led by current CIA Director Porter Goss,
produced an interim report on Iraq in September 2003 that found
the U.S. went to war in Iraq on the basis of outdated and vague
intelligence.
"The point of it is to understand fully how we collected, analyzed
and presented intelligence ... and what responsibility the
intelligence community had to correct misinformation by policy-
makers," Harman said in an interview.
Hoekstra said work on the flawed prewar estimates will stay with
the Senate Intelligence Committee, which is in the second phase of
its own investigation.
"We do not see it as being necessary for us to do a redundant
effort," he said.
The Senate committee produced a 511-page report in July and is now
studying five remaining lines of inquiry, including divisive
questions about whether policy-makers misstated the intelligence
to make the case for war.
President Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, took
issue with "the notion that somehow the administration manipulated
prewar intelligence about Iraq."
"Some of the critics today believed themselves in 2002 that Saddam
Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, they stated that belief
and they voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq because they
believed Saddam Hussein posed a dangerous threat to the American
people," Hadley said.
"For those critics to ignore their own past statements exposes the
hollowness of their current attacks," he said.
Hadley said the intelligence on Saddam's alleged weapons of mass
destruction, which were never found, was "based on the aggregation
of intelligence from a number of sources and represented the
collective view of the intelligence community."
The House committee's leaks investigation comes at the request of
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and House Speaker
Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.
Hoekstra said he had yet to determine the scope of the inquiry, but
would devise a plan with Harman. He said he has not yet decided
whether the Post reporter, Dana Priest, would be asked to disclose
her confidential sources. Messages left Thursday with a spokesman
for the paper were not immediately returned.
In a two-year federal investigation, New York Times reporter Judith
Miller went to jail for 85 days to protect a source, I. Lewis Libby,
the vice president's former chief of staff. Both were caught up in a
probe over who leaked the identity of CIA covert operative Valerie
Plame.
Libby was charged with five-counts of perjury and other charges.
Hoekstra said he is interested in reviewing that case and the
disclosure of the total U.S. intelligence budget, which may have
been a mistake. At a conference in San Antonio last week, the top
U.S. official for intelligence collection, Mary Margaret Graham,
said the figure is $44 billion.
Congress has engaged in rigorous debate about whether the number can
be made public and decided against it.
When asked if there is ever a good leak, Hoekstra said "maybe" that
could be argued in some cases. "But it is not appropriate for a
person who is entrusted with a security clearance to make that
decision on their own."
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11 Nov 2005 02:32:42 AM |
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wrote in news:1131674497.227128.94220
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
This demonstrates the true depths of moral cowardice in
Washington today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110/ap_on_go_co/leaks_investigation
Finding out who revealed the CIA is torturing innocent people is
more important than finding out who's responsible for the false
pretenses that led to the deaths of 100,000 innocents and two
unnecessary wars.
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated before, and found
to be unsubstantiated. The leaks from the CIA are deliberately compromising
national security. If telling people about Valerie Plame was such a
terrible thing, then these leaks are too.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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11 Nov 2005 07:00:25 AM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote in news:1131674497.227128.94220
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
This demonstrates the true depths of moral cowardice in
Washington today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110/ap_on_go_co/leaks_investigation
Finding out who revealed the CIA is torturing innocent people is
more important than finding out who's responsible for the false
pretenses that led to the deaths of 100,000 innocents and two
unnecessary wars.
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated before, and
found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Until they show up, shut your ***** piehole, Fred. You and Michael
"Heckuva Job" Brownie oughta go find some dead horses. He can judge them,
and you can beat them.
The leaks from the CIA are deliberately
compromising national security. If telling people about Valerie Plame
was such a terrible thing, then these leaks are too.
It has been speculated that the Bush regime leaked the info about the
prisons in another act of revenge against the CIA. With the record of lying
and treason already established by the Bush junta, it wouldn't surprise me
one bit. In fact, it would be surprising if it weren't true.
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ap #19
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11 Nov 2005 12:43:31 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:4cudnWwUF4kf3OneRVn-sQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote in news:1131674497.227128.94220
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
This demonstrates the true depths of moral cowardice in
Washington today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110/ap_on_go_co/leaks_investigation
Finding out who revealed the CIA is torturing innocent people is
more important than finding out who's responsible for the false
pretenses that led to the deaths of 100,000 innocents and two
unnecessary wars.
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated before, and
found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
Until they show up, shut your ***** piehole, Fred. You and Michael
"Heckuva Job" Brownie oughta go find some dead horses. He can judge
them, and you can beat them.
Talk about beating dead horses, towelie, you've got a whole stable of
them.
The leaks from the CIA are deliberately
compromising national security. If telling people about Valerie Plame
was such a terrible thing, then these leaks are too.
It has been speculated that the Bush regime leaked the info about the
prisons in another act of revenge against the CIA.
That's Orwellian enough for someone as gullible as you to believe it.
With the record of
lying and treason already established by the Bush junta, it wouldn't
surprise me one bit. In fact, it would be surprising if it weren't
true.
More likely the CIA leaked it as yet another hit against the President.
The timing of that leak coming right after the Plame Game indictments
failed to "get" Rove is significant.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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12 Nov 2005 02:53:29 AM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated before, and
found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
Until they show up, shut your ***** piehole, Fred. You and Michael
"Heckuva Job" Brownie oughta go find some dead horses. He can judge
them, and you can beat them.
Talk about beating dead horses, towelie, you've got a whole stable of
them.
Those horses are very alive, and one day they will arise and bite the GOP in
the *****.
The leaks from the CIA are deliberately
compromising national security. If telling people about Valerie Plame
was such a terrible thing, then these leaks are too.
It has been speculated that the Bush regime leaked the info about the
prisons in another act of revenge against the CIA.
That's Orwellian enough for someone as gullible as you to believe it.
Well, they leaked the identy of a CIA agent, so it is definitely a plausible
theory.
With the record of
lying and treason already established by the Bush junta, it wouldn't
surprise me one bit. In fact, it would be surprising if it weren't
true.
More likely the CIA leaked it as yet another hit against the President.
The timing of that leak coming right after the Plame Game indictments
failed to "get" Rove is significant.
The investigation is not over, and Rove could very well end up getting
indicted.
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ap #19
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12 Nov 2005 03:36:01 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated before,
and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
Until they show up, shut your ***** piehole, Fred. You and
Michael "Heckuva Job" Brownie oughta go find some dead horses. He
can judge them, and you can beat them.
Talk about beating dead horses, towelie, you've got a whole stable of
them.
Those horses are very alive, and one day they will arise and bite the
GOP in the *****.
In your dreams.
The leaks from the CIA are deliberately
compromising national security. If telling people about Valerie
Plame was such a terrible thing, then these leaks are too.
It has been speculated that the Bush regime leaked the info about
the prisons in another act of revenge against the CIA.
That's Orwellian enough for someone as gullible as you to believe it.
Well, they leaked the identy of a CIA agent, so it is definitely a
plausible theory.
It's at least as plausible as the rest of Joe Wilson's lies.
With the record of
lying and treason already established by the Bush junta, it wouldn't
surprise me one bit. In fact, it would be surprising if it weren't
true.
More likely the CIA leaked it as yet another hit against the
President. The timing of that leak coming right after the Plame Game
indictments failed to "get" Rove is significant.
The investigation is not over, and Rove could very well end up getting
indicted.
I wouldn't wait at the bottom of the pool for that to happen.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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12 Nov 2005 05:13:26 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated
before, and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
And there were no WMDs, no connection to 9/11 as Bush said, no
terroristys in Iraq, no nothing.
Does it bother yiou that so much misinformation, disinformation, lies
and ***** lead so many peole to say things that in retrospect were
not true?
Even a little bit. Again, there are also distortions in "They said it
too". We had Condi "Shoes" Rice and Powell telling us that Iraq was
under control and Saddam had no such things, until Bush decided he
wanted a war. Does that bother you?
Or teg fact that facts were buried and kept from the press, Congress
and teh American people?
Or that very obvious lie was swallowed hole and regurdgitated by Bush
as teh press was pointing out it was false.
Fred, as usually, you have your head so deep up your ugly *****
its amazing. A mass of slithering, sliding distortions, bad
claims and out and out falsehood sprays forth from Cesspit D.C.
And at the bottom, obviously ***** from our CIA on a long term
basis.
If there were no WMDs, no missles, no, nerve gas, why then did all
thse supposed Democrats say there were? Does that not bother you for
a New York second or are you really that animal grunting stupid that
even when I smash you face into obvious disturbing facts your right
wing indoctrination prevents your brain from functioning?
Does that obvious fact slide right by you unnoticed, or did you notice
and decide not to mention it, and not think about it?
If Bush said 2 + 2 = 5, would you become a problem at the grocery
store?
We point out the ghastly lies for years to you but you refuse to admit
Bush told even one.
You are not a man, you are a a chattering ***** monkey with
no ability to reason, and not a shred of honesty in toy at all.
You and people like you disgust me.
This is for me the sad part of the internet. I did not realize
how truely stupid people could be until I got to interact with
morons like you.
Not the natural clean stupidity of a 65 IQ, nor mere ignorance,
but something far, far worse.
So, the CIA and others were lying to us for years now.
Doesn't that bother you even a little bit?
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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12 Nov 2005 12:42:46 PM |
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wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
news:11nath8gp1u5t70@corp.supernews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated
before, and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
And there were no WMDs, no connection to 9/11 as Bush said, no
terroristys in Iraq, no nothing.
Does it hurt to be so gullible?
Does it bother yiou that so much misinformation, disinformation, lies
and ***** lead so many peole to say things that in retrospect were
not true?
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html
Even a little bit. Again, there are also distortions in "They said it
too". We had Condi "Shoes" Rice and Powell telling us that Iraq was
under control and Saddam had no such things, until Bush decided he
wanted a war. Does that bother you?
Or teg fact that facts were buried and kept from the press, Congress
and teh American people?
The CIA is very good at keeping secrets when it wants to.
Or that very obvious lie was swallowed hole and regurdgitated by Bush
as teh press was pointing out it was false.
The press wasn't pointing out any such thing. They were all on board
with the war until after the invasion. Remember dear old Judy Miller?
Fred, as usually, you have your head so deep up your ugly *****
its amazing. A mass of slithering, sliding distortions, bad
claims and out and out falsehood sprays forth from Cesspit D.C.
And at the bottom, obviously ***** from our CIA on a long term
basis.
Yes, it has been established that the CIA was bullshitting for a long
time.
If there were no WMDs, no missles, no, nerve gas, why then did all
thse supposed Democrats say there were?
Those Democrats said so because they saw the same intelligence reports
that the President saw. You aren't really going to tell me that John
Kerry and Teddy Kennedy simply *believed* everything that Bush told
them, are you?
Does that not bother you for
a New York second or are you really that animal grunting stupid that
even when I smash you face into obvious disturbing facts your right
wing indoctrination prevents your brain from functioning?
Does that obvious fact slide right by you unnoticed, or did you notice
and decide not to mention it, and not think about it?
If Bush said 2 + 2 = 5, would you become a problem at the grocery
store?
We point out the ghastly lies for years to you but you refuse to admit
Bush told even one.
You haven't pointed out any lies that Bush told.
You are not a man, you are a a chattering ***** monkey with
no ability to reason, and not a shred of honesty in toy at all.
You and people like you disgust me.
This is for me the sad part of the internet. I did not realize
how truely stupid people could be until I got to interact with
morons like you.
Not the natural clean stupidity of a 65 IQ, nor mere ignorance,
but something far, far worse.
So, the CIA and others were lying to us for years now.
Doesn't that bother you even a little bit?
Yes, that bothers me a whole lot. Doesn't it bother you that you've been
deluded and duped by the Democrats for so long? Does it hurt to be as
gullible as you are?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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13 Nov 2005 01:32:55 AM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
If there were no WMDs, no missles, no, nerve gas, why then did all
thse supposed Democrats say there were?
Those Democrats said so because they saw the same intelligence reports
that the President saw. You aren't really going to tell me that John
Kerry and Teddy Kennedy simply *believed* everything that Bush told
them, are you?
Why does everything have to revolve around Ted Kennedy to you right-wing
neofascists? A lot of left-leaning types such as myself couldn't give two
rats' asses about Ted.
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ap #19
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13 Nov 2005 01:49:04 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ubWdncHqbJ4rCuvenZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
If there were no WMDs, no missles, no, nerve gas, why then did all
thse supposed Democrats say there were?
Those Democrats said so because they saw the same intelligence
reports that the President saw. You aren't really going to tell me
that John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy simply *believed* everything that
Bush told them, are you?
Why does everything have to revolve around Ted Kennedy to you
right-wing neofascists? A lot of left-leaning types such as myself
couldn't give two rats' asses about Ted.
He's the most consistent left-liberal Democrat in the Senate.
And he's a complete moral scumbag. Sort of a benchmark of liberalism.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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13 Nov 2005 03:06:54 AM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ubWdncHqbJ4rCuvenZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
If there were no WMDs, no missles, no, nerve gas, why then did all
thse supposed Democrats say there were?
Those Democrats said so because they saw the same intelligence
reports that the President saw. You aren't really going to tell me
that John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy simply *believed* everything that
Bush told them, are you?
Why does everything have to revolve around Ted Kennedy to you
right-wing neofascists? A lot of left-leaning types such as myself
couldn't give two rats' asses about Ted.
He's the most consistent left-liberal Democrat in the Senate.
And he's a complete moral scumbag. Sort of a benchmark of liberalism.
Let's take a vote: Those who consider themselves left-leaning, who thinks
Kennedy is a "benchmark of liberalism"?
My vote: nay.
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aa #2133
ap #19
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13 Nov 2005 12:04:56 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:otydnfzTWv8hMOveRVn-qQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ubWdncHqbJ4rCuvenZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
If there were no WMDs, no missles, no, nerve gas, why then did all
thse supposed Democrats say there were?
Those Democrats said so because they saw the same intelligence
reports that the President saw. You aren't really going to tell me
that John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy simply *believed* everything that
Bush told them, are you?
Why does everything have to revolve around Ted Kennedy to you
right-wing neofascists? A lot of left-leaning types such as myself
couldn't give two rats' asses about Ted.
He's the most consistent left-liberal Democrat in the Senate.
And he's a complete moral scumbag. Sort of a benchmark of liberalism.
Let's take a vote: Those who consider themselves left-leaning, who
thinks Kennedy is a "benchmark of liberalism"?
My vote: nay.
De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "towelie" |
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13 Nov 2005 12:12:45 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
Those Democrats said so because they saw the same intelligence
reports that the President saw. You aren't really going to tell me
that John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy simply *believed* everything that
Bush told them, are you?
Why does everything have to revolve around Ted Kennedy to you
right-wing neofascists? A lot of left-leaning types such as myself
couldn't give two rats' asses about Ted.
He's the most consistent left-liberal Democrat in the Senate.
And he's a complete moral scumbag. Sort of a benchmark of liberalism.
Let's take a vote: Those who consider themselves left-leaning, who
thinks Kennedy is a "benchmark of liberalism"?
My vote: nay.
De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.
Are you trying to tell me that I'm secretly a huge follower of Kennedy but I
won't admit it? You're usually just annoying and stupod, but this is
offensive and a little bit creepy.
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ap #19
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13 Nov 2005 12:41:14 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:nPWdnaDf_aAisOreRVn-vQ@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
Those Democrats said so because they saw the same intelligence
reports that the President saw. You aren't really going to tell
me that John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy simply *believed* everything
that Bush told them, are you?
Why does everything have to revolve around Ted Kennedy to you
right-wing neofascists? A lot of left-leaning types such as
myself couldn't give two rats' asses about Ted.
He's the most consistent left-liberal Democrat in the Senate.
And he's a complete moral scumbag. Sort of a benchmark of
liberalism.
Let's take a vote: Those who consider themselves left-leaning, who
thinks Kennedy is a "benchmark of liberalism"?
My vote: nay.
De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.
Are you trying to tell me that I'm secretly a huge follower of Kennedy
but I won't admit it?
Not quite. Just that he's a better example of what you follow than
you're willing to admit.
You're usually just annoying and stupod, but
this is offensive and a little bit creepy.
IKYABWAI?
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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12 Nov 2005 04:16:03 AM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated before,
and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
Cite.
And even if they had said that, they're not the ones who attacked Iraq using
false information. At worst, Bush is a liar, and at best he is incompetent.
Which is he, Fred?
Until they show up, shut your ***** piehole, Fred. You and
Michael "Heckuva Job" Brownie oughta go find some dead horses. He
can judge them, and you can beat them.
Talk about beating dead horses, towelie, you've got a whole stable of
them.
Those horses are very alive, and one day they will arise and bite the
GOP in the *****.
In your dreams.
Denial does not change reality.
The leaks from the CIA are deliberately
compromising national security. If telling people about Valerie
Plame was such a terrible thing, then these leaks are too.
It has been speculated that the Bush regime leaked the info about
the prisons in another act of revenge against the CIA.
That's Orwellian enough for someone as gullible as you to believe it.
Well, they leaked the identy of a CIA agent, so it is definitely a
plausible theory.
It's at least as plausible as the rest of Joe Wilson's lies.
Joe Wilson is not responsible for 2k US deaths. Joe Wilson is not
responsible for an illegal war. Joe Wilson is not responsible for the
deaths of thousands of Iraqi civilians.
With the record of
lying and treason already established by the Bush junta, it wouldn't
surprise me one bit. In fact, it would be surprising if it weren't
true.
More likely the CIA leaked it as yet another hit against the
President. The timing of that leak coming right after the Plame Game
indictments failed to "get" Rove is significant.
The investigation is not over, and Rove could very well end up getting
indicted.
I wouldn't wait at the bottom of the pool for that to happen.
He might get away with what he's done, but that doesn't change the fact that
he has done the things he has done.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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12 Nov 2005 12:36:28 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:COCdnXizArDq8ejenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated before,
and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
Cite.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200511110833.asp
And even if they had said that, they're not the ones who attacked Iraq
using false information.
They voted to approve the attack.
At worst, Bush is a liar, and at best he is
incompetent. Which is he, Fred?
He's no more of an incompetent or a liar than his Democrat opponents.
Until they show up, shut your ***** piehole, Fred. You and
Michael "Heckuva Job" Brownie oughta go find some dead horses. He
can judge them, and you can beat them.
Talk about beating dead horses, towelie, you've got a whole stable
of them.
Those horses are very alive, and one day they will arise and bite
the GOP in the *****.
In your dreams.
Denial does not change reality.
You should listen to your own advice.
The leaks from the CIA are deliberately
compromising national security. If telling people about Valerie
Plame was such a terrible thing, then these leaks are too.
It has been speculated that the Bush regime leaked the info about
the prisons in another act of revenge against the CIA.
That's Orwellian enough for someone as gullible as you to believe
it.
Well, they leaked the identy of a CIA agent, so it is definitely a
plausible theory.
It's at least as plausible as the rest of Joe Wilson's lies.
Joe Wilson is not responsible for 2k US deaths. Joe Wilson is not
responsible for an illegal war. Joe Wilson is not responsible for the
deaths of thousands of Iraqi civilians.
None of which makes his lies any more truthful.
With the record of
lying and treason already established by the Bush junta, it
wouldn't surprise me one bit. In fact, it would be surprising if
it weren't true.
More likely the CIA leaked it as yet another hit against the
President. The timing of that leak coming right after the Plame
Game indictments failed to "get" Rove is significant.
The investigation is not over, and Rove could very well end up
getting indicted.
I wouldn't wait at the bottom of the pool for that to happen.
He might get away with what he's done, but that doesn't change the
fact that he has done the things he has done.
Nor does it change the fact that you haven't proved that he has done
them.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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12 Nov 2005 04:04:00 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:36:28 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns970C4D8536C3Dfstone69@213.155.197.138>:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:COCdnXizArDq8ejenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated before,
and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
Cite.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200511110833.asp
And even if they had said that, they're not the ones who attacked Iraq
using false information.
They voted to approve the attack.
Based on the evidence provided to them. Did the Bush Administration give
selective evidence to Congress?
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12 Nov 2005 06:33:05 PM |
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David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:bi4cn1db9nsq2n1ifvdd5navi1menm0j0o@4ax.com:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:36:28 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns970C4D8536C3Dfstone69@213.155.197.138>:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:COCdnXizArDq8ejenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated
before, and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
Cite.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance
.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200511110833.asp
And even if they had said that, they're not the ones who attacked
Iraq using false information.
They voted to approve the attack.
Based on the evidence provided to them. Did the Bush Administration
give selective evidence to Congress?
Congress had all the same intelligence information that the Bush
administration had.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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12 Nov 2005 07:46:42 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns970C89F4EE175fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:bi4cn1db9nsq2n1ifvdd5navi1menm0j0o@4ax.com:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:36:28 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns970C4D8536C3Dfstone69@213.155.197.138>:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:COCdnXizArDq8ejenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated
before, and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
Cite.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance
.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200511110833.asp
And even if they had said that, they're not the ones who attacked
Iraq using false information.
They voted to approve the attack.
Based on the evidence provided to them. Did the Bush Administration
give selective evidence to Congress?
Congress had all the same intelligence information that the Bush
administration had.
The Washington Post documents that this claim is not correct.
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111101832.html>
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12 Nov 2005 09:13:00 PM |
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David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:jehcn15kcms4fj9o9j41tlp13jtclte274@4ax.com:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns970C89F4EE175fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:bi4cn1db9nsq2n1ifvdd5navi1menm0j0o@4ax.com:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:36:28 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns970C4D8536C3Dfstone69@213.155.197.138>:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:COCdnXizArDq8ejenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated
before, and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
Cite.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance
.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200511110833.asp
And even if they had said that, they're not the ones who attacked
Iraq using false information.
They voted to approve the attack.
Based on the evidence provided to them. Did the Bush Administration
give selective evidence to Congress?
Congress had all the same intelligence information that the Bush
administration had.
The Washington Post documents that this claim is not correct.
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005
111101832.html>
"...Congress was entitled to view the 92-page National Intelligence
Estimate about Iraq before the October 2002 vote. But, as The Washington
Post reported last year, no more than six senators and a handful of
House members read beyond the five-page executive summary."
See also these rebuttals to the WaPo piece:
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/012231.php
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005773.php
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "towelie" |
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12 Nov 2005 12:47:56 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:COCdnXizArDq8ejenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2_KdnRfu15KDxOjenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
The allegations of false pretenses have been investigated before,
and found to be unsubstantiated.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING WMD?
Why don't you ask Hillary or Teddy or Kerry or even Joe Wilson?
They aren't the ones who came up with the false reasons for war.
They said the same things about Saddam's WMD.
Cite.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200511110833.asp
And even if they had said that, they're not the ones who attacked Iraq
using false information.
They voted to approve the attack.
At worst, Bush is a liar, and at best he is
incompetent. Which is he, Fred?
He's no more of an incompetent or a liar than his Democrat opponents.
You have just violated Stone's Law. You lose.
The leaks from the CIA are deliberately
compromising national security. If telling people about Valerie
Plame was such a terrible thing, then these leaks are too.
It has been speculated that the Bush regime leaked the info about
the prisons in another act of revenge against the CIA.
That's Orwellian enough for someone as gullible as you to believe
it.
Well, they leaked the identy of a CIA agent, so it is definitely a
plausible theory.
It's at least as plausible as the rest of Joe Wilson's lies.
Joe Wilson is not responsible for 2k US deaths. Joe Wilson is not
responsible for an illegal war. Joe Wilson is not responsible for the
deaths of thousands of Iraqi civilians.
None of which makes his lies any more truthful.
It doesn't make Bill Clinton's lies anymore truthful either. Nor Jesse
Jackson, Ronald Reagan, or Oscar the Grouch. Why bring up somebody who had
nothing to do with it?
With the record of
lying and treason already established by the Bush junta, it
wouldn't surprise me one bit. In fact, it would be surprising if
it weren't true.
More likely the CIA leaked it as yet another hit against the
President. The timing of that leak coming right after the Plame
Game indictments failed to "get" Rove is significant.
The investigation is not over, and Rove could very well end up
getting indicted.
I wouldn't wait at the bottom of the pool for that to happen.
He might get away with what he's done, but that doesn't change the
fact that he has done the things he has done.
Nor does it change the fact that you haven't proved that he has done
them.
It's not my job to prove anything. That job belongs to Pat Fitzgerald, and
let's hope he does a good job and justice is served, whatever that might be.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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11 Nov 2005 06:56:57 AM |
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TV's wrote:
This demonstrates the true depths of moral cowardice in
Washington today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110/ap_on_go_co/leaks_investigation
Finding out who revealed the CIA is torturing innocent people is
more important than finding out who's responsible for the false
pretenses that led to the deaths of 100,000 innocents and two
unnecessary wars.
There's no need for an investigation. It's obvious who is responsible. All
that is needed now is a trial and punishment.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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13 Nov 2005 03:33:13 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:56:57 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's wrote:
This demonstrates the true depths of moral cowardice in
Washington today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110/ap_on_go_co/leaks_investigation
Finding out who revealed the CIA is torturing innocent people is
more important than finding out who's responsible for the false
pretenses that led to the deaths of 100,000 innocents and two
unnecessary wars.
There's no need for an investigation. It's obvious who is responsible. All
that is needed now is a trial and punishment.
Just like the trial Padilla got.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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