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"Dale" |
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27 Aug 2006 12:04:46 AM |
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OT: Noah's Ark Models |
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
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"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
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| User: "Andrew Arensburger" |
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31 Aug 2006 12:37:58 PM |
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In talk.origins John Wilkins <j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au> wrote:
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
Don't be silly. They'd sink if they clung to camels.
Not if they clung to the fatty humps. Fat floats, right?
In that case, wouldn't they be better off clinging to
walruses, whales, or Unseen University faculty members?
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arensb.no-bloody-spam@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
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and a megabyte was an awful lot of disk space...
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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31 Aug 2006 01:11:12 PM |
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"Andrew Arensburger" <arensb.no-bloody-spam@umd.edu> wrote in message
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In talk.origins John Wilkins <j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au> wrote:
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
Don't be silly. They'd sink if they clung to camels.
Not if they clung to the fatty humps. Fat floats, right?
In that case, wouldn't they be better off clinging to
walruses, whales, or Unseen University faculty members?
Only if they have dried frog pills for the Bursar ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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29 Aug 2006 06:45:44 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:22:58 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
what I can't work out is how kangaroos made it onto the ark?
No problem - the pterosaurs must have brought them over. Or maybe a passing
blue whale gave them a lift.
Were those European or African pterosaurs?
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| User: "Dana Tweedy" |
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29 Aug 2006 07:32:56 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:pbk9f25jhjtt82ujosoj8n9debe2h25v04@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:22:58 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
what I can't work out is how kangaroos made it onto the ark?
No problem - the pterosaurs must have brought them over. Or maybe a
passing
blue whale gave them a lift.
Were those European or African pterosaurs?
African pterosaurs are non migratory.
DJT
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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30 Aug 2006 08:51:53 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:pbk9f25jhjtt82ujosoj8n9debe2h25v04@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:22:58 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
what I can't work out is how kangaroos made it onto the ark?
No problem - the pterosaurs must have brought them over. Or maybe a
passing
blue whale gave them a lift.
Were those European or African pterosaurs?
Laden or un-laden?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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30 Aug 2006 09:20:14 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:51:53 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:pbk9f25jhjtt82ujosoj8n9debe2h25v04@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:22:58 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
what I can't work out is how kangaroos made it onto the ark?
No problem - the pterosaurs must have brought them over. Or maybe a
passing
blue whale gave them a lift.
Were those European or African pterosaurs?
Laden or un-laden?
Was their bin laden?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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30 Aug 2006 12:17:27 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:9k7bf2lqhdcokepq1o0sd7gdehfesvkfp9@4ax.com...
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:51:53 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:pbk9f25jhjtt82ujosoj8n9debe2h25v04@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:22:58 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
what I can't work out is how kangaroos made it onto the ark?
No problem - the pterosaurs must have brought them over. Or maybe a
passing
blue whale gave them a lift.
Were those European or African pterosaurs?
Laden or un-laden?
Was their bin laden?
Did they grip him by the husk?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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31 Aug 2006 11:50:54 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:pbk9f25jhjtt82ujosoj8n9debe2h25v04@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:22:58 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
what I can't work out is how kangaroos made it onto the ark?
No problem - the pterosaurs must have brought them over. Or maybe a
passing
blue whale gave them a lift.
Were those European or African pterosaurs?
Laden or un-laden?
If they were carrying kangaroos, I'd guess they were laden.
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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27 Aug 2006 08:56:33 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Mike wrote:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!
what I can't work out is how kangaroos made it onto the ark?
Perhaps they missed the boat - that would have made them hopping mad
Maybe Noah only needed to take rabbits onto the Ark. Then the
kangaroos and wallabies would have micro-evolved from the original
"hopping kind."
That modern intelligent human beings in this day and age still accept the
pathetic childish Ark story is beyong me.
Scary.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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27 Aug 2006 01:38:35 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike (matmzc@hofstra.edu)
made the light shine upon us with this:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!
Nevermind, of course, the fact that the dinosaurs went extinct 65 million
years before the timeline of the biblical creation story. Why did they
exist *before* god created everything?
There are many stories in the bible that perplex me sorely and
transcend my finite human powers of understanding. Though I pray and I
pray and I pray for enlightenment, so far the good Lord, in his
Infinite Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding. It is well and truly said ``The ways of the Lord are
mysterious".
All (100%) of my prayers went unanswered. But then again, I never
bothered to rationalize that with "the lord works in mysterious ways." I
began to wonder if this "lord" actually existed. After a little
research, I discovered it did not.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Member: Intensional misspellingg club.
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28 Aug 2006 02:29:10 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike (matmzc@hofstra.edu)
made the light shine upon us with this:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!
Nevermind, of course, the fact that the dinosaurs went extinct 65 million
years before the timeline of the biblical creation story. Why did they
exist *before* god created everything?
Talk about dinosaur soft parts. Why, that proves that dinosaurs were 65
million years old! Carbon date it please.
JM
There are many stories in the bible that perplex me sorely and
transcend my finite human powers of understanding. Though I pray and I
pray and I pray for enlightenment, so far the good Lord, in his
Infinite Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding. It is well and truly said ``The ways of the Lord are
mysterious".
All (100%) of my prayers went unanswered. But then again, I never
bothered to rationalize that with "the lord works in mysterious ways." I
began to wonder if this "lord" actually existed. After a little
research, I discovered it did not.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Member: Intensional misspellingg club.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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28 Aug 2006 03:05:44 PM |
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wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike (matmzc@hofstra.edu)
made the light shine upon us with this:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!
Nevermind, of course, the fact that the dinosaurs went extinct 65 million
years before the timeline of the biblical creation story. Why did they
exist *before* god created everything?
Talk about dinosaur soft parts. Why, that proves that dinosaurs were 65
million years old! Carbon date it please.
I don't think anybody's claiming they're *still* soft. Also, you can't
carbon date anything that's 65 million years old.
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "John Bode" |
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28 Aug 2006 04:02:43 PM |
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Kevin Anthoney wrote:
mccoy@sunset.net wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike (matmzc@hofstra.edu)
made the light shine upon us with this:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!
Nevermind, of course, the fact that the dinosaurs went extinct 65 million
years before the timeline of the biblical creation story. Why did they
exist *before* god created everything?
Talk about dinosaur soft parts. Why, that proves that dinosaurs were 65
million years old! Carbon date it please.
I don't think anybody's claiming they're *still* soft.
Apparently, after being demineralized, they're still pliable.
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050326/fob1.asp
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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28 Aug 2006 04:45:20 PM |
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John Bode wrote:
Kevin Anthoney wrote:
mccoy@sunset.net wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike (matmzc@hofstra.edu)
made the light shine upon us with this:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the
question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between
the elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have
been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find
that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in
worrying about the elephant *****!
Nevermind, of course, the fact that the dinosaurs went extinct 65
million
years before the timeline of the biblical creation story. Why did
they exist *before* god created everything?
Talk about dinosaur soft parts. Why, that proves that dinosaurs were 65
million years old! Carbon date it please.
I don't think anybody's claiming they're *still* soft.
Apparently, after being demineralized, they're still pliable.
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050326/fob1.asp
Yes, but my point was that they *had* mineralized. McCoy seemed to be
implying that the tissues were in pristine condition.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "John Bode" |
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28 Aug 2006 04:00:25 PM |
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wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike (matmzc@hofstra.edu)
made the light shine upon us with this:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!
Nevermind, of course, the fact that the dinosaurs went extinct 65 million
years before the timeline of the biblical creation story. Why did they
exist *before* god created everything?
Talk about dinosaur soft parts.
Okay. Apparently, under very rare circumstances, soft tissues can be
preserved in such a way that they remain pliable after being
demineralized. It's definitely a rare occurance; this is the first
instance of such preservation in a dinosaur bone. But, there are ways
that soft tissues can be preserved for tens of millions of years; look
at insects trapped in amber for one example.
Why, that proves that dinosaurs were 65 million years old!
No. Radiometric dating suggests that dinosaurs are at least 65 million
years old. Biostratigraphy suggests that dinosaurs and humans did not
coexist.
Carbon date it please.
Wrong element. Carbon dating's only good for about 50,000 years or so.
You want K-Ar dating.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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28 Aug 2006 04:24:45 PM |
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In article <1156798825.658955.112830@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> "John Bode" <john_bode@my-deja.com> writes:
mccoy@sunset.net wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike (matmzc@hofstra.edu)
made the light shine upon us with this:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!
Nevermind, of course, the fact that the dinosaurs went extinct 65 million
years before the timeline of the biblical creation story. Why did they
exist *before* god created everything?
Talk about dinosaur soft parts.
Okay. Apparently, under very rare circumstances, soft tissues can be
preserved in such a way that they remain pliable after being
demineralized. It's definitely a rare occurance; this is the first
instance of such preservation in a dinosaur bone. But, there are ways
that soft tissues can be preserved for tens of millions of years; look
at insects trapped in amber for one example.
Interestingly, that may be more common than previously thought.
From the August 5th issue of _New Scientist_:
Print Bone marrow still juicy after 10 million years
From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free
issues.
WHILE literary types try to "suck the marrow out of life",
palaeontologists would like to extract it from fossil bones.
Now Maria McNamara of University College Dublin, Ireland, has
found the first fossilised bone marrow in frogs that lived 10
million years ago. The discovery shows that decay-prone tissue can
survive for an astonishingly long time, even in small amphibian
bones.
McNamara was studying frog fossils from Spanish sulphur mines when
she noticed bone marrow in a bone that had split. Curious, she
examined other fossils and found preserved marrow in 10 per cent
of the adult frogs. Electron microscopy verified that the original
structure of the marrow was preserved, as well as giant cells
called osteoclasts found at the boundary between bone and marrow.
The fossil marrow consists of sulphur-rich organic material, and
tests for amino acids, proteins and, tantalisingly, DNA are in
progress (Geology, vol 34, p 641).
The find suggests that palaeontologists may have missed marrow
residues inside many more intact fossils. "People never tend to
look inside, because the bones are so valuable for science that
you don't want to smash them up," says McNamara.
-- cary
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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29 Aug 2006 02:13:31 AM |
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wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike (matmzc@hofstra.edu)
made the light shine upon us with this:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!
Nevermind, of course, the fact that the dinosaurs went extinct 65 million
years before the timeline of the biblical creation story. Why did they
exist *before* god created everything?
Talk about dinosaur soft parts. Why, that proves that dinosaurs were 65
million years old! Carbon date it please.
You've just showed a pretty stunning misunderstanding of carbon dating.
It is a relatively recent dating tool, and doesn't go back that far, we
tend to use radiometric dating to date igneous tuffs to work out the
age of rocks that old. The law of superposition allows us to then
create a dating seuqnce based around this and sedimentary deposition
rates. There is a convenient bed that goes all round the world at the
KT boundary, almost definitely caused by meteorite impact. It has been
dated at 65MA. There aren't any dinosaur fossils younger than this.
The preservation of soft parts is what is known as exceptional
preservation, where circumstances are very lucky, and it is "just
right".
Other examples include amber, the Rancho LeBrea tar pits and the
Burgess Shale.
JM
There are many stories in the bible that perplex me sorely and
transcend my finite human powers of understanding. Though I pray and I
pray and I pray for enlightenment, so far the good Lord, in his
Infinite Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding. It is well and truly said ``The ways of the Lord are
mysterious".
All (100%) of my prayers went unanswered. But then again, I never
bothered to rationalize that with "the lord works in mysterious ways." I
began to wonder if this "lord" actually existed. After a little
research, I discovered it did not.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Member: Intensional misspellingg club.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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28 Aug 2006 03:51:08 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (mccensored@sunset.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike
(matmzc@hofstra.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the
question of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark.
Between the elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there
must have been one hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day.
Presumably the *****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the
darky. Now I find that there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there
were even two large herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there
is no point in worrying about the elephant *****!
Nevermind, of course, the fact that the dinosaurs went extinct 65
million years before the timeline of the biblical creation story.
Why did they exist *before* god created everything?
Talk about dinosaur soft parts. Why, that proves that dinosaurs were
65 million years old! Carbon date it please.
What would you know about that, O Nameless One? Ye who scoffs at science
yet uses a modern silicon chip to communicate with the world, which is
round?
Carbon dating is only accurate to about 60,000 years, which is why it is
not used on artifacts that date into the millions, even billions of
years. We find those artifacts in layers of strata, or rock formations.
The layers in which we have found dinosaur remains are consistent, and we
can determine the age of these rocks by determining the levels of certain
radioactive isotopes in the rack itself, which are not present in
biological artifacts.
What is really cool, is that there is a grey layer between the Cretaceous
and Tertiary strata, which is consistent with several theories about the
mass extinction of the dinosaurs.
Nuclear isotope dating still not accurate down to the year, but it is
accurate enough to denote millions, even billions of years. Which means
we have determined that the creation stories in Genesis are bunk.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Member: Intensional misspellingg club.
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9achad=F3ir?=" |
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27 Aug 2006 04:41:33 AM |
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Scríobh "Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu>:
JTEM wrot
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day.
Perhaps it explains the Designer's fondness for beetles.
Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!
There are many stories in the bible that perplex me sorely and
transcend my finite human powers of understanding. Though I pray and I
pray and I pray for enlightenment, so far the good Lord, in his
Infinite Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding. It is well and truly said ``The ways of the Lord are
mysterious".
--
'Donegal: Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir
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| User: "jcon" |
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27 Aug 2006 09:16:04 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark.
Amazing how much time and effort people can put into this
kind of thing, and the website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."
There seems to be a bit of a scale problem. He's got two
sauropods that look roughly the size of giraffes. I
think he based everything on Dino from the Flintstones.
-jc
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 02:05:49 PM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I notice a distinct lack of X bracing.
This would not have floated long.
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Where did all these braindead morons come from!
What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did
they manage to find their way out on their own?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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27 Aug 2006 03:08:16 PM |
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wcb wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I notice a distinct lack of X bracing.
This would not have floated long.
Long? Try at all. As soon as the support from the ground was removed,
the silly thing would have buckled and snapped into several large,
sinking chunks of debris.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 05:29:50 PM |
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
wcb wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing
how much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I notice a distinct lack of X bracing.
This would not have floated long.
Long? Try at all. As soon as the support from the ground was removed,
the silly thing would have buckled and snapped into several large,
sinking chunks of debris.
Even has it floated long, without ballast in
a storm tossed sea it would not have remained upright long.
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Where did all these braindead morons come from!
What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did
they manage to find their way out on their own?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
28 Aug 2006 01:23:13 AM |
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In article <12f477td60gtq9c@corp.supernews.com>,
wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
wcb wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing
how much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I notice a distinct lack of X bracing.
This would not have floated long.
Long? Try at all. As soon as the support from the ground was removed,
the silly thing would have buckled and snapped into several large,
sinking chunks of debris.
Even has it floated long, without ballast in
a storm tossed sea it would not have remained upright long.
And no keel. It looks like a larger version of a river barge. the
Mesopotamians and Egyptians used barges to transport freight on the
rivers in their respective countries. The ark myth is based on an
earlier story about a Sumerian king, Ziusudra, who during a river flood
escaped with some of his family and livestock in such a river barge:
http://www.noahs-ark-flood.com/
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 09:49:17 AM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I like the little support struts on the bottom. Wonder how long they'd last
once the entire animal kingdom was on board?
At least they've had the good sense to put the bonsai dinosaurs on the
bottom deck.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Al" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
28 Aug 2006 12:03:55 PM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
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"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
Bottom Line-----boat too long for depth. 100% guaranteed breakage in
the middle.
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| User: "Al" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
28 Aug 2006 12:07:26 PM |
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Al wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
--
"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
Bottom Line-----boat too long for depth. 100% guaranteed breakage in
the middle. Wood no good for 300 yard long flat boat or any other design. No even close.
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| User: "Ray F-L" |
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27 Aug 2006 08:03:17 AM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
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"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
Especially since there is no geological evidence for a global flood
4400 years ago.
Raymond Freeman-Lynde
Department of Geology
University of Georgia
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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27 Aug 2006 09:06:19 AM |
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Ray F-L wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
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"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
Especially since there is no geological evidence for a global flood
4400 years ago.
There is, but you Geo-Cabal types have been hiding the evidence. All
of you. Every geology department at every college and university in
every country on the planet. Every geologist who ever lived, anywhere
in the world, signed on to the conspiracy. All because you sneaky rock
people want to hide The Truth(tm) from poor unsuspecting literalism
cultists. Shame on you.
:-)
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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27 Aug 2006 12:04:56 PM |
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VoiceOfReason wrote:
Ray F-L wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
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"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
Especially since there is no geological evidence for a global flood
4400 years ago.
There is, but you Geo-Cabal types have been hiding the evidence. All
of you. Every geology department at every college and university in
every country on the planet. Every geologist who ever lived, anywhere
in the world, signed on to the conspiracy. All because you sneaky rock
people want to hide The Truth(tm) from poor unsuspecting literalism
cultists. Shame on you.
Well, we aren't hiding it, but no one is looking. There have been major
flood events, the filling of the mediteranean, and then there is water
levels rising at the end of the last glacial event.
Most cultures have flood myths, and in fact formely coastal dwellings
have been found well underwater, and the end of the last glacial event
fits neatly at about 12000bp.
No magic involved though, just a good study of ice cores, sediment
patterns, varves, and erosional patterns, and only coastal areas were
flooded.
:-)
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| User: "Kermit" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 11:52:53 AM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
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"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
Perhaps you guy scan help. I'm starting a new hobby - I'm collecting
reasons why it's silly for anyone today to believe that this myth could
have been literal and true. I thought of stamps, but there aren't as
many of them. Here's my list so far; have I missed any?
The genetic evidence indicates that we are descended from about 2000
people from about 60,000 years ago. And *that's considered a
bottleneck. Most other species did not go thru that, nor nearly so
recently.
How did the animals get to the ark, and how did they get home
afterwards? Did the jaguars swim the Atlantic?
What did the animals eat in the meanwhile? Did the carnivores just
tough it out until the sheep and antelopes rebuilt their herds? And
what did the sheep eat? (And don't forget that year in the ark.)
Perhaps the koalas returned with the migrating eucalyptus trees to
Australia in a Down Under pack.
Most of the plants in my garden would not fare well submerged for a
year. Some species would bounce back eventually from seed, but most
wouldn't, and surely all or them would be a soggy, greenish-black goo
for a long time afterwards.
The Flood story says that it didn't rain before this Big One. Really?
Didn't evaporation and condensation work in the old days? How did
people stay cool on hot days if evaporation didn't work? What
maintained the early rivers in the first 2000 years of the Earth's
"hstory"?
Genesis says that there were no rainbows before the flood. The Earth
was watered by "a mist rising from the ground". Didn't the mist create
rainbows when the sun caught it right? If refraction didn't work then,
how could anyone see?
The ark would have broken apart. No wooden ship that big can survive
simply floating in the ocean, let alone the raging weather this myth
postulates.
Where would Noah have gotten the wood, and how did he shape it well
enough to work?
How did the animals breathe? Surely the ventilation in this setup would
not allow much air to get to the lower floors and inner rooms.
Remember, there was only one small window.
I imagine the ark was pitch black inside. Must have been fun caring for
the animals by touch. Removing the excrement would have been a
Herculean task - perhaps they had Hercules to help.
Where was the water before it rained, and where did it go afterwards?
The heat generated by rain falling from the height of Mt. Everest would
not have raised the water to boiling, but it would have been very hot.
The marine critters would have cooked. (Yes, I know that the rain would
reach a maximum speed, and not necessarily hit harder than rain falling
only a few hundred meters. But that means the *air would have heated up
all the more - to absorb the kinetic heat of the falling water would
raise the temperature of the equivalent volume of air (a much smaller
mass) even *more.
The salt water fish would have died from the dilution of the water, and
the fresh water fish would have died from the infusion of salt.
Some biblical literalists suggest that the continents spread apart
after the flood. If the plates had sailed thru the crust like racing
yachts it would have generated enough heat to melt the crust, and would
have caused Earthquakes on a magnitude we cannot imagine.
The Flood would have left considerable evidence. Not only is that
evidence lacking, but there is much evidence that it did not. Asserting
that *all the geologists in *all cultures for the last two hundred
years are in some sort of conspiracy is as fantastic a proposition as
any of the rest of these incredible consequences.
Some biblical literalists assert that there were only some basic
"kinds" of animals, and all the "minor" variations, the microevolution
of the modern species, happened afterwards. This is proposing an
evolutionary process *far faster than any modern geneticist would
accept. It also shows that the literalists *still haven't grasped the
numbers involved.
The fossil record is sorted chronologically, from early forms to modern
forms. It is *not sorted "hydrologically", and there are numerous ways
of dating that all converge on the same dates (ranging over a vast
history of life, in the hndreds of millions of years). There are modern
clams in higher stata than T. Rexes. Were the recent clams faster, or
smarter than T. Rex? There are whole forests fossilized with the trees
upright. But above *them are other layers of fossils, and above *them
are other forests, etc. The fossil record does not look *anything like
a single event, with a scattering of recent fossils on top. There are
thousands of trilobyte fossils, and many horseshoe crabs, but never
together. Why is that?
Curiously, the Egyptians (and the Chinese, etc) do not seem to remember
this flood. One would think they would have noticed.
Impressively, the great, ancient cultures not only built the pyramids
and temples and cities of old with only a few hundred people, they did
it within a few generations of the flood, creating entirely new
languages and cultures, fake histories, and artifacts, the age and
complexity of which have fooled modern archaeologists.
TIA,
Kermit
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