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27 Aug 2006 12:04:46 AM |
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OT: Noah's Ark Models |
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
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"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
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| User: "Kermit" |
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27 Aug 2006 11:52:53 AM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
--
"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
Perhaps you guy scan help. I'm starting a new hobby - I'm collecting
reasons why it's silly for anyone today to believe that this myth could
have been literal and true. I thought of stamps, but there aren't as
many of them. Here's my list so far; have I missed any?
The genetic evidence indicates that we are descended from about 2000
people from about 60,000 years ago. And *that's considered a
bottleneck. Most other species did not go thru that, nor nearly so
recently.
How did the animals get to the ark, and how did they get home
afterwards? Did the jaguars swim the Atlantic?
What did the animals eat in the meanwhile? Did the carnivores just
tough it out until the sheep and antelopes rebuilt their herds? And
what did the sheep eat? (And don't forget that year in the ark.)
Perhaps the koalas returned with the migrating eucalyptus trees to
Australia in a Down Under pack.
Most of the plants in my garden would not fare well submerged for a
year. Some species would bounce back eventually from seed, but most
wouldn't, and surely all or them would be a soggy, greenish-black goo
for a long time afterwards.
The Flood story says that it didn't rain before this Big One. Really?
Didn't evaporation and condensation work in the old days? How did
people stay cool on hot days if evaporation didn't work? What
maintained the early rivers in the first 2000 years of the Earth's
"hstory"?
Genesis says that there were no rainbows before the flood. The Earth
was watered by "a mist rising from the ground". Didn't the mist create
rainbows when the sun caught it right? If refraction didn't work then,
how could anyone see?
The ark would have broken apart. No wooden ship that big can survive
simply floating in the ocean, let alone the raging weather this myth
postulates.
Where would Noah have gotten the wood, and how did he shape it well
enough to work?
How did the animals breathe? Surely the ventilation in this setup would
not allow much air to get to the lower floors and inner rooms.
Remember, there was only one small window.
I imagine the ark was pitch black inside. Must have been fun caring for
the animals by touch. Removing the excrement would have been a
Herculean task - perhaps they had Hercules to help.
Where was the water before it rained, and where did it go afterwards?
The heat generated by rain falling from the height of Mt. Everest would
not have raised the water to boiling, but it would have been very hot.
The marine critters would have cooked. (Yes, I know that the rain would
reach a maximum speed, and not necessarily hit harder than rain falling
only a few hundred meters. But that means the *air would have heated up
all the more - to absorb the kinetic heat of the falling water would
raise the temperature of the equivalent volume of air (a much smaller
mass) even *more.
The salt water fish would have died from the dilution of the water, and
the fresh water fish would have died from the infusion of salt.
Some biblical literalists suggest that the continents spread apart
after the flood. If the plates had sailed thru the crust like racing
yachts it would have generated enough heat to melt the crust, and would
have caused Earthquakes on a magnitude we cannot imagine.
The Flood would have left considerable evidence. Not only is that
evidence lacking, but there is much evidence that it did not. Asserting
that *all the geologists in *all cultures for the last two hundred
years are in some sort of conspiracy is as fantastic a proposition as
any of the rest of these incredible consequences.
Some biblical literalists assert that there were only some basic
"kinds" of animals, and all the "minor" variations, the microevolution
of the modern species, happened afterwards. This is proposing an
evolutionary process *far faster than any modern geneticist would
accept. It also shows that the literalists *still haven't grasped the
numbers involved.
The fossil record is sorted chronologically, from early forms to modern
forms. It is *not sorted "hydrologically", and there are numerous ways
of dating that all converge on the same dates (ranging over a vast
history of life, in the hndreds of millions of years). There are modern
clams in higher stata than T. Rexes. Were the recent clams faster, or
smarter than T. Rex? There are whole forests fossilized with the trees
upright. But above *them are other layers of fossils, and above *them
are other forests, etc. The fossil record does not look *anything like
a single event, with a scattering of recent fossils on top. There are
thousands of trilobyte fossils, and many horseshoe crabs, but never
together. Why is that?
Curiously, the Egyptians (and the Chinese, etc) do not seem to remember
this flood. One would think they would have noticed.
Impressively, the great, ancient cultures not only built the pyramids
and temples and cities of old with only a few hundred people, they did
it within a few generations of the flood, creating entirely new
languages and cultures, fake histories, and artifacts, the age and
complexity of which have fooled modern archaeologists.
TIA,
Kermit
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| User: "quibbler" |
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30 Aug 2006 09:44:14 PM |
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In article <1156697573.636318.220270@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com says...
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
--
"I'm tryin' ta think, but nuttin' happens!" - Curly Howard
Perhaps you guy scan help. I'm starting a new hobby - I'm collecting
reasons why it's silly for anyone today to believe that this myth could
have been literal and true. I thought of stamps, but there aren't as
many of them. Here's my list so far; have I missed any?
Well, if there really was a full-length clerestory skylight, like the
one shown in the model, the wind would have blown the rain in like
niagra falls and flooded the ship. Waves would have flooded it too,
though the reality is that the ship would have broken far before this
would even be much of an issue.
The genetic evidence indicates that we are descended from about 2000
people from about 60,000 years ago.
Here's another thing to think about. The flood would have killed all
the rest of noah's relative, his parents (if living), his wife and kid's
parents, etc, etc. Can it really be true that all these people deserved
to die? Was every single person on earth doing sufficient evil to
justify death, or was it just a few bad apples, which is more usual?
What about the young kids? Were they being evil enough to merit
drowning? If any human drowned a bunch of kids today who had committed
no obvious infraction, how would we deal with that? How pro-life is a
great flood anyway?
And *that's considered a
bottleneck. Most other species did not go thru that, nor nearly so
recently.
How did the animals get to the ark, and how did they get home
afterwards? Did the jaguars swim the Atlantic?
Mark Twain commented on all the parasites, viruses, bacteria, etc that
Noah would have to make sure to bring with him.
I would also comment that, if Noah is completely rebuilding society,
then eitherr 8 people would need to know every important skill on earth,
or technological progress would be set back considerably, even for the
primitive time in which they lived.
What did the animals eat in the meanwhile?
I'm guessing that they ate their own feces and drank their own urine,
though this would only work for, at most a few iterations. It would
help to resolve the sanitation and food issue to an extent though. I'm
sure that gawd made it take like fudge ice cream though, so it's okay.
The salt water fish would have died from the dilution of the water, and
the fresh water fish would have died from the infusion of salt.
Some fundy morons claim that the salt water would form a dense layer
under the fresh water. But they forget the huge amount of mixing.
Besides, if it's so easy for that to happen then after a rain at sea,
why can't we skim off the top couple inches of water and have it be
fresh.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "John Bode" |
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27 Aug 2006 12:06:01 PM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I wished I had that kind of skill and patience.
And I have to give credit to the guy; he built an Ark that looks like
what a shepherd would build, not a shipwright. As such it would
probably break apart at the first hint of rough seas, if it would float
at all (there's no mention of McCoy's magic laminates). Regardless of
your feelings on the Ark story (I consider it pure myth), this is
pretty cool.
Except for the dinosaurs. That's just silly.
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| User: "TomS" |
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27 Aug 2006 12:52:17 PM |
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"On 27 Aug 2006 10:06:01 -0700, in article
<1156698360.967598.182900@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, John Bode stated..."
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I wished I had that kind of skill and patience.
And I have to give credit to the guy; he built an Ark that looks like
what a shepherd would build, not a shipwright. As such it would
probably break apart at the first hint of rough seas, if it would float
at all (there's no mention of McCoy's magic laminates). Regardless of
your feelings on the Ark story (I consider it pure myth), this is
pretty cool.
Except for the dinosaurs. That's just silly.
I was curious about the relative dimensions of the animals and the
ark, because they looked rather small. So I did a little checkings,
and found that 15 feet is about right for a giraffe, and that's 1/3
of the 30 cubits of the height given for the ark. That's about the
right proportion in the picture - but then I realized that I had a
misleading idea of the proportions, because the ark is raised
off the ground, making the animals look even smaller. Not that
someone would intentionally try to give a misperception of the
sizes.
And, by the way, an apatosaurus (=brontosaurus) was about
15 feet at the hips.
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---Tom S. <http://talkreason.org/articles/chickegg.cfm>
"... have a clear idea of what you should expect if your hypothesis is correct,
and what you should observe if your hypothesis is wrong ... If you cannot do
this, then this is an indicator that your hypothesis may be too vague."
RV Clarke & JE Eck: Crime Analysis for Problem Solvers - step 20
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| User: "" |
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27 Aug 2006 12:40:12 AM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
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| User: "J. J. Lodder" |
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27 Aug 2006 08:51:50 AM |
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<mvillanu@gmail.com> wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
This one would have it's bottom pushed in by water pressure
before being afloat at all,
Jan
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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27 Aug 2006 02:09:42 PM |
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wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
I'm thinking with that nearly square cross-section and no place for
ballast, it's just a matter of time before that thing is rolling over
onto its top.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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27 Aug 2006 07:30:44 PM |
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In article <ecsqk4011pk@enews1.newsguy.com>,
Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com> wrote:
mvillanu@gmail.com wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
I'm thinking with that nearly square cross-section and no place for
ballast, it's just a matter of time before that thing is rolling over
onto its top.
Yabbut, god will magick that from happening!
Get with the program. These guys will try and "scientifically" explain
how all these myth stories work until they can't and then they fall back
on god's wondrous miracles to explain the rest.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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27 Aug 2006 04:58:43 PM |
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Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com> wrote:
mvillanu@gmail.com wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
I'm thinking with that nearly square cross-section and no place for
ballast, it's just a matter of time before that thing is rolling over
onto its top.
Emptying out the urine and feces...
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
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| User: "wcb" |
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27 Aug 2006 05:34:33 PM |
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
mvillanu@gmail.com wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
I'm thinking with that nearly square cross-section and no place for
ballast, it's just a matter of time before that thing is rolling over
onto its top.
Even if it did not break up, without ballast it would be a
wild ride that would have beaten the passengers to death.
--
Where did all these braindead morons come from!
What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did
they manage to find their way out on their own?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "wcb" |
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27 Aug 2006 02:14:25 PM |
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wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
No Keelson, (The largest bit on a large wooden ship). The Keel of a
ship is its backbone.
This craft would not have made it into the water before it started breaking
up. No pumps. Real large ships have to pump full time in bad weather.
No X bracing. With straight, flat sides, the pressure on a ships
side would be so immense it would collapse like a card board box
without extensive bracing. Ships were made with curved ribs
for a reason. No corners. 90 degree corners are very weak.
--
Where did all these braindead morons come from!
What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did
they manage to find their way out on their own?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "bullpup" |
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27 Aug 2006 02:53:14 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12f3rq6ntb8fk4e@corp.supernews.com...
mvillanu@gmail.com wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing
how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
No Keelson, (The largest bit on a large wooden ship). The Keel of a
ship is its backbone.
This craft would not have made it into the water before it started
breaking
up. No pumps. Real large ships have to pump full time in bad weather.
No X bracing. With straight, flat sides, the pressure on a ships
side would be so immense it would collapse like a card board box
without extensive bracing. Ships were made with curved ribs
for a reason. No corners. 90 degree corners are very weak.
The sides on the model are slightly bowed outward. Even so, the other
problems are still major problems, and the barge would become driftwood
within days, or less, if there were anything near a moderatly rough sea.
The model also looked like it violated the specs: The only opening
according to Genesis is a singe one cubit x one cubit window on the top.
deck, which would be inefective in allowing the echange of gas, such as
methane and CO2.
Boikat
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"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-
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| User: "Ron O" |
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27 Aug 2006 03:46:31 PM |
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bullpup wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12f3rq6ntb8fk4e@corp.supernews.com...
mvillanu@gmail.com wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing
how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
No Keelson, (The largest bit on a large wooden ship). The Keel of a
ship is its backbone.
This craft would not have made it into the water before it started
breaking
up. No pumps. Real large ships have to pump full time in bad weather.
No X bracing. With straight, flat sides, the pressure on a ships
side would be so immense it would collapse like a card board box
without extensive bracing. Ships were made with curved ribs
for a reason. No corners. 90 degree corners are very weak.
The sides on the model are slightly bowed outward. Even so, the other
problems are still major problems, and the barge would become driftwood
within days, or less, if there were anything near a moderatly rough sea.
The model also looked like it violated the specs: The only opening
according to Genesis is a singe one cubit x one cubit window on the top.
deck, which would be inefective in allowing the echange of gas, such as
methane and CO2.
Boikat
--
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-
Do you remember KSJJ and the good old days before the advent of the
even more dishonest ID/creationist scam? A time when the creationists
actually stated what they believed and tried to defend it. It might be
before your time in the 1990's. KSJJ claimed that the window may have
been a cubit high, but the "single" window went clear around the ark.
How the top was supported and why that didn't constitute multiple
windows was left out of the discussion. How Noah opened and closed
this one window was also neglected. The picture looks like quite a few
windows and they aren't even one cubit square, and they don't go clear
around the ark, because there isn't any windows at the ends. This guy
didn't read the Bible or he didn't care.
KSJJ also proposed moon pools that would let the rise and fall of the
sea pump air in and out of the ark. Just because moon pools were not
in the original design didn't deter him.
The good old days when it was only lunacy instead of the putrid
dishonesty of ID, or teach the controversy.
Ron Okimoto
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| User: "bullpup" |
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27 Aug 2006 04:17:58 PM |
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"Ron O" <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1156711591.505263.56640@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
bullpup wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12f3rq6ntb8fk4e@corp.supernews.com...
mvillanu@gmail.com wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark.
Amazing
how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and
the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat
on
the sea.
No Keelson, (The largest bit on a large wooden ship). The Keel of a
ship is its backbone.
This craft would not have made it into the water before it started
breaking
up. No pumps. Real large ships have to pump full time in bad weather.
No X bracing. With straight, flat sides, the pressure on a ships
side would be so immense it would collapse like a card board box
without extensive bracing. Ships were made with curved ribs
for a reason. No corners. 90 degree corners are very weak.
The sides on the model are slightly bowed outward. Even so, the other
problems are still major problems, and the barge would become driftwood
within days, or less, if there were anything near a moderatly rough sea.
The model also looked like it violated the specs: The only opening
according to Genesis is a singe one cubit x one cubit window on the top.
deck, which would be inefective in allowing the echange of gas, such as
methane and CO2.
Boikat
--
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-
Do you remember KSJJ and the good old days before the advent of the
even more dishonest ID/creationist scam?
Nope, doesn't ring a bell.
A time when the creationists
actually stated what they believed and tried to defend it. It might be
before your time in the 1990's.
I started posting some time around '95 or '96.
KSJJ claimed that the window may have
been a cubit high, but the "single" window went clear around the ark.
How the top was supported and why that didn't constitute multiple
windows was left out of the discussion. How Noah opened and closed
this one window was also neglected. The picture looks like quite a few
windows and they aren't even one cubit square, and they don't go clear
around the ark, because there isn't any windows at the ends. This guy
didn't read the Bible or he didn't care.
KSJJ also proposed moon pools that would let the rise and fall of the
sea pump air in and out of the ark. Just because moon pools were not
in the original design didn't deter him.
Sounds like he was going with Woodmoappe
The good old days when it was only lunacy instead of the putrid
dishonesty of ID, or teach the controversy.
Creationism evolves. ;}
Boikat
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"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-
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| User: "quibbler" |
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27 Aug 2006 09:24:34 AM |
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In article <1156657211.970897.272380@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
mvillanu@gmail.com says...
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
I'm not a naval engineer, so those who are please correct me, but I
have a feeling that a full sized ark based on that model would
disintegrate within the first few days(if not hours) of being afloat on
the sea.
There's no doubt that it would at least flex and sag in places,
introducing enough water to sink it in short order. However, it would
probably break apart into several pieces first. Then there's the issue
of getting the weight distribution right so that it didn't capsize.
Modern freight ships like the Edmond Fitzgerald sank on the Great Lakes.
The idea that Noah could build something substantially more sea worthy
that could stay at sea for almost half a year is absolutely ludicrous.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Inez" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 09:15:56 AM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom
of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the
ceiling?
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 09:46:42 AM |
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Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom
of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the
ceiling?
They used Flood water - that's got oxygen in it.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 09:47:42 AM |
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Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom
of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the
ceiling?
Heathen doubter! The Bible clearly states there was a window.
:-)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 12:26:03 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "VoiceOfReason"
<papa_fox@cybertown.com> posting the following on 27 Aug 2006 07:47:42
-0700 iin alt.atheism?
Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom
of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the
ceiling?
Heathen doubter! The Bible clearly states there was a window.
Yup. One window, 18 inches square.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 01:03:29 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:ncl3f2p2mtm9le8s4c0tb95la2pgoq1s4n@4ax.com:
What's so funny about peace, love and "VoiceOfReason"
<papa_fox@cybertown.com> posting the following on 27 Aug 2006 07:47:42
-0700 iin alt.atheism?
Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark.
Amazing how much time and effort people can put into this kind of
thing, and the website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a
sailing box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in
the bottom of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down
from the ceiling?
Heathen doubter! The Bible clearly states there was a window.
Yup. One window, 18 inches square.
Given the inevitable methane build-up, I think we can conclude Noah was
not a smoker!
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Religion may in most of its forms be defined as the belief that the gods
are on the side of the Government."
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 03:22:08 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:ncl3f2p2mtm9le8s4c0tb95la2pgoq1s4n@4ax.com:
What's so funny about peace, love and "VoiceOfReason"
<papa_fox@cybertown.com> posting the following on 27 Aug 2006 07:47:42
-0700 iin alt.atheism?
Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark.
Amazing how much time and effort people can put into this kind of
thing, and the website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a
sailing box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in
the bottom of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down
from the ceiling?
Heathen doubter! The Bible clearly states there was a window.
Yup. One window, 18 inches square.
Given the inevitable methane build-up, I think we can conclude Noah was
not a smoker!
Ah, don't worry. There wouldn't be any oxygen!
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 07:08:36 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net>
posting the following on 27 Aug 2006 18:03:29 GMT iin alt.atheism?
Heathen doubter! The Bible clearly states there was a window.
Yup. One window, 18 inches square.
Given the inevitable methane build-up, I think we can conclude Noah was
not a smoker!
Nor an oxygen breather, for that matter.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 12:39:10 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and "VoiceOfReason"
<papa_fox@cybertown.com> posting the following on 27 Aug 2006 07:47:42
-0700 iin alt.atheism?
Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing
how much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and
the website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom
of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the
ceiling?
Heathen doubter! The Bible clearly states there was a window.
Yup. One window, 18 inches square.
Presumably, they taught all the animals to crap out of it. Hope the model's
got an authentic hamster ladder!
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "CreateThis" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 10:20:28 AM |
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On 27 Aug 2006 07:15:56 -0700, "Inez" <savagemouse123@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom
of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the
ceiling?
I'm thinking they must all have been retrofitted by God as methane
breathers for the voyage.
CT
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
28 Aug 2006 07:04:53 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:15:56 -0700, Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing
how much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom of
the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the ceiling?
I was wondering what they did for light. No windows, no skylights...not
many animals I know of would be happy to live many months in complete
darkness....
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
29 Aug 2006 02:09:18 AM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:15:56 -0700, Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing
how much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the
website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom of
the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the ceiling?
I was wondering what they did for light. No windows, no skylights...not
many animals I know of would be happy to live many months in complete
darkness....
You fail to take into account the suspended animation chambers.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
28 Aug 2006 11:16:31 AM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:15:56 -0700, Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark.
Amazing how much time and effort people can put into this kind of
thing, and the website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a
sailing box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in
the bottom of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down
from the ceiling?
I was wondering what they did for light. No windows, no
skylights...not many animals I know of would be happy to live many
months in complete darkness....
Live?
The good news is that CO2 is heavier than air.
Even out doors pockets of it will form and kill small animals.
It's good news because it would prevent the methane explosion.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
28 Aug 2006 04:18:11 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:16:31 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:15:56 -0700, Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing
how much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and
the website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom
of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the
ceiling?
I was wondering what they did for light. No windows, no skylights...not
many animals I know of would be happy to live many months in complete
darkness....
Live?
The good news is that CO2 is heavier than air. Even out doors pockets of
it will form and kill small animals.
It's good news because it would prevent the methane explosion.
When you add up all of the technical problems that would have to be solved
to build/populate/launch/maintain the ark, it kind of makes you wonder why
God didn't just re-create all the animals from scratch.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Quantum Leaper" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
29 Aug 2006 04:25:39 PM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.08.28.21.18.09.628308@stopspam.net...
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:16:31 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:15:56 -0700, Inez wrote:
Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing
how much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and
the website is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
The toy ark I had as a child was cuter, this one is more like a
sailing
box than anything else. I'm wondering what the animals in the bottom
of the ark used for oxygen. Did little masks pop down from the
ceiling?
I was wondering what they did for light. No windows, no
skylights...not
many animals I know of would be happy to live many months in complete
darkness....
Live?
The good news is that CO2 is heavier than air. Even out doors pockets of
it will form and kill small animals.
It's good news because it would prevent the methane explosion.
When you add up all of the technical problems that would have to be solved
to build/populate/launch/maintain the ark, it kind of makes you wonder why
God didn't just re-create all the animals from scratch.
Even easier, just go poof and make all the bad humans go bye bye. Not as
much fun though for Noah and all those animals.
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Noah's Ark Models |
27 Aug 2006 08:47:45 AM |
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Dale wrote:
Incredibly detailed and well engineered model of Noah's Ark. Amazing how
much time and effort people can put into this kind of thing, and the website
is pretty nice looking.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/modelers/Rod_Walsh.htm
This is too funny! The thing is like a skyscraper laying on its side.
How long would it take Noah and his three sons to build this thing?
How they managed to find the time while also farming would be an
interesting calculation. Denuding forests for miles around would have
made them unpopular with the neighbors though.
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