On 27 Aug 2006 11:16:25 -0700, TomS <TomS_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

When thinking about the mess, consider:

*All sorts of animals being tossed around - unless they
were lashed down somehow - and what kind of restraints
would be adequate for elephants - or for mice.

*Everybody and every animal being sea-sick.

There is absolutely nothing in the account of the flood about storms
or rough weather. There was just rain and inundation. The water
could have risen gently and evenly without waves.

On 27 Aug 2006 11:16:25 -0700, TomS <TomS_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

*Everybody and every animal being sea-sick.

There is absolutely nothing in the account of the flood about storms
or rough weather. There was just rain and inundation. The water
could have risen gently and evenly without waves.

On 27 Aug 2006 11:16:25 -0700, TomS <TomS_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

When thinking about the mess, consider:

*All sorts of animals being tossed around - unless they
were lashed down somehow - and what kind of restraints
would be adequate for elephants - or for mice.

*Everybody and every animal being sea-sick.

There is absolutely nothing in the account of the flood about storms
or rough weather. There was just rain and inundation.

The water could have risen gently and evenly without waves.

There is absolutely nothing in the account of the flood about storms
or rough weather. There was just rain and inundation. The water
could have risen gently and evenly without waves.

On 27 Aug 2006 11:16:25 -0700, TomS <TomS_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

"On 27 Aug 2006 09:11:34 -0700, in article
<1156695094.065230.22010@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Ron O
stated..."

TomS wrote:

"On 26 Aug 2006 23:09:35 -0700, in article
<1156658974.974864.98010@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, Mike
stated..."

JTEM wrot

The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."

Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the
question of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the
ark. Between the elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc.
there must have been one hell of a load of ***** to get rid of
every day. Presumably the *****-shoveling job went to Ham since he
was the darky. Now I find that there were DINOSAURS on the ark.
If there were even two large herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark,
then there is no point in worrying about the elephant *****!

There are many stories in the bible that perplex me sorely and
transcend my finite human powers of understanding. Though I pray
and I pray and I pray for enlightenment, so far the good Lord, in
his Infinite Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding. It is well and truly said ``The ways of the Lord
are mysterious".

The early Christian writer, Origen (who wrote in the early 3rd
century):

Homilies on Genesis 2.1

"Certainly since Scripture related nothing about the places
which we said were set apart for the excrement of the animals,
but tradition preserves some things, it will appear opportune
that silence has been maintained on this about which reason may
sufficiently teach of its importance. And because it could less
worthily be fitted to a spiritual meaning, rightly, therefore,
Scripture, which rather fits its narratives to allegorical
meanings, was silent about this."

A wise man;-)

It had to be someones worst nightmare on the ark. There was only one
window and it was closed for the first 40 days and nights. The
amount of animal waste products accumulated during that time would be
staggering, and might have taken 8 people quite a while to catch up
on.
Remember when KSJJ was trying to figure out how to deliver water to
all the animals during 40 days of the worst weather in history?

If anyone thinks that they can use long water troughs to save on the
work load just go out and buy a section of rain gutter 6-8 ft long,
cap the ends put water in it and then try and pick it up and simulate
the pitching of a boat in horrendous weather conditions. How much
water do you end up with in the trough? How much more clean up work
would that have made?

Can anyone say alligorical?

When thinking about the mess, consider:

*All sorts of animals being tossed around - unless they
were lashed down somehow - and what kind of restraints
would be adequate for elephants - or for mice.

*Everybody and every animal being sea-sick.

There is absolutely nothing in the account of the flood about storms
or rough weather. There was just rain and inundation. The water
could have risen gently and evenly without waves.

Incidentally, it is a fact derived from the law of conservation of
matter that the total quantity of urine plus feces produced by all the
animals on the ark must have been smaller than the total of water plus
food that they consumed, the difference being exhaled water and the
fact that exhaled CO2 exceeds inhaled O2 in mass. If the ark could
hold food and water and Noah's family could distribute it, then the
ark could hold urine and feces and Noah's family could collect it.

The story still doesn't "hold water" as fact, although it does make
excellent allegory. Nonetheless, if you do have to criticize, do it
on what the words actually do say.

On 27 Aug 2006 11:16:25 -0700, TomS <TomS_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

"On 27 Aug 2006 09:11:34 -0700, in article
<1156695094.065230.22010@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Ron O stated..."

TomS wrote:

"On 26 Aug 2006 23:09:35 -0700, in article
<1156658974.974864.98010@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, Mike stated..."

JTEM wrot

The dinosaurs are precious... well, "Creepy."

Among the many mysterious aspects of the genesis story is the question
of how they managed the waste disposal problem on the ark. Between the
elephants and the rhinos and the hippos etc. there must have been one
hell of a load of ***** to get rid of every day. Presumably the
*****-shoveling job went to Ham since he was the darky. Now I find that
there were DINOSAURS on the ark. If there were even two large
herbivorous dinosaurs on that ark, then there is no point in worrying
about the elephant *****!

There are many stories in the bible that perplex me sorely and
transcend my finite human powers of understanding. Though I pray and I
pray and I pray for enlightenment, so far the good Lord, in his
Infinite Wisdom, has not seen fit to grace me with the gift of
understanding. It is well and truly said ``The ways of the Lord are
mysterious".

The early Christian writer, Origen (who wrote in the early 3rd century):

Homilies on Genesis 2.1

"Certainly since Scripture related nothing about the places
which we said were set apart for the excrement of the animals,
but tradition preserves some things, it will appear opportune
that silence has been maintained on this about which reason may
sufficiently teach of its importance. And because it could less
worthily be fitted to a spiritual meaning, rightly, therefore,
Scripture, which rather fits its narratives to allegorical
meanings, was silent about this."

A wise man;-)

It had to be someones worst nightmare on the ark. There was only one
window and it was closed for the first 40 days and nights. The amount
of animal waste products accumulated during that time would be
staggering, and might have taken 8 people quite a while to catch up on.
Remember when KSJJ was trying to figure out how to deliver water to
all the animals during 40 days of the worst weather in history?

If anyone thinks that they can use long water troughs to save on the
work load just go out and buy a section of rain gutter 6-8 ft long, cap
the ends put water in it and then try and pick it up and simulate the
pitching of a boat in horrendous weather conditions. How much water do
you end up with in the trough? How much more clean up work would that
have made?

Can anyone say alligorical?

When thinking about the mess, consider:

*All sorts of animals being tossed around - unless they
were lashed down somehow - and what kind of restraints
would be adequate for elephants - or for mice.

*Everybody and every animal being sea-sick.

There is absolutely nothing in the account of the flood about storms
or rough weather. There was just rain and inundation. The water
could have risen gently and evenly without waves.

Incidentally, it is a fact derived from the law of conservation of
matter that the total quantity of urine plus feces produced by all the
animals on the ark must have been smaller than the total of water plus
food that they consumed, the difference being exhaled water and the
fact that exhaled CO2 exceeds inhaled O2 in mass. If the ark could
hold food and water and Noah's family could distribute it, then the
ark could hold urine and feces and Noah's family could collect it.

The story still doesn't "hold water" as fact, although it does make
excellent allegory. Nonetheless, if you do have to criticize, do it
on what the words actually do say.

Tim McGaughy wrote:

*All sorts of animals being tossed around - unless they
were lashed down somehow - and what kind of restraints
would be adequate for elephants - or for mice.

*Everybody and every animal being sea-sick.

God kept the boat steady.

Was the whole Ark thing absolutely necessary? Surely He could have
achieved the goal of wiping everyone else out some other way that
didn't force the poor farmer to lose a lot of sleep!