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OT: Not Your Grandfather's Pot |
Not Your Grandfather's Pot
By Jacob Sullum, Reason.
http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/19593/
The government's latest anti-pot propaganda warns that today's marijuana
is 'twice as strong' as the pot of the mid-1980s. However, there's
little reason to believe stronger pot is worse for you.
The Office of National Drug Control Policy is so happy with a recent
Reuters story about marijuana that it has a prominent link to the
article on its Web site. It's not hard to see why.
"Pot is no longer the gentle weed of the 1960s and may pose a greater
threat than cocaine or even heroin," writes Reuters health and science
correspondent Maggie Fox. That's her talking, not the ONDCP. More
precisely, it's Fox dutifully parroting what the ONDCP has told her in
its latest attempt to scare people about marijuana.
Because so many Americans have decided, based on direct experience or by
observing pot smokers they know, that marijuana is no big deal, the
government's anti-pot propaganda has taken on a decidedly defensive
tone. "Marijuana today is a much more serious problem than the vast
majority of Americans understand," ONDCP Director John Walters tells
Maggie Fox. Or, as he put it during a visit to Seattle last month, "This
is not the substance you joked about in the '60s. We have a greater
reason for concern."
Such assertions are based on the premise that marijuana is much stronger
than it used to be. In a 1995 interview with the Dallas Morning News,
Clinton drug czar Lee Brown claimed "marijuana is 40 times more potent
today than was the case 10, 15, 20 years ago."
Lately the ONDCP has been warning that "today's marijuana is twice as
strong" as the pot of the mid-1980s.
Either the marijuana people smoked in the 1960s and '70s was not
psychoactive at all, and its perceived effects were a mass delusion, or
someone is exaggerating. Otherwise, we'd have to believe that the level
of THC (marijuana's main active ingredient) in today's pot exceeds 100
percent.
In fact, the ONDCP says the current average is something like 7 percent,
up from 3.5 percent in 1985, based on analyses of marijuana seized by
federal agents. But seizures are not necessarily a representative
sample, and if the focus of anti-pot efforts has shifted in the last two
decades, the 1985 data may not be comparable to more recent measurements.
Still, marijuana probably is somewhat more potent, on average, than it
used to be, because growers have gotten better at producing high-quality
cannabis. Contrary to what the government says, however, there's little
reason to believe stronger pot is worse for you. If anything, it's
healthier, since people smoke less of it to achieve the effect they want.
To her credit, Reuters' Fox allows someone from the Marijuana Policy
Project to make that point toward the end of her article. But she
provides no rebuttal for the government's insinuation that stronger pot
has caused a dramatic increase since 1992 in the number of teenagers "in
treatment for marijuana dependence and abuse."
The government's own data show that most teenagers treated for
"marijuana dependence and abuse" are referred by the criminal justice
system. Since the annual number of marijuana arrests in the U.S. has
more than doubled since 1992, it's not surprising that treatment
admissions have gone up as well. Even those that do not stem from
arrests can be the result of pressure from misguided school officials or
panicked parents.
Getting caught with pot does not mean you're an addict. As Mitch
Earleywine, author of "Understanding Marijuana," and Bruce Mirken of the
Marijuana Policy Project noted recently in the Hartford Advocate, most
marijuana "abusers" entering treatment have used the drug three or fewer
times during the previous month.
Marijuana's legal status clearly has an impact on decisions about who
should receive "treatment." Otherwise, it would be impossible to explain
why, as Fox reports, "children and teenagers are three times more likely
to be in treatment for marijuana dependence than for alcohol." Not only
is alcohol more widely used, but survey data indicate that addiction is
more common among drinkers than it is among pot smokers.
In case the prospect of addiction is not enough to scare the public, Fox
adds that stronger pot "could make children and teenagers anxious,
unmotivated or perhaps even psychotic" (although she concedes "the
research so far is inconclusive"). The story closes by saying that John
Walters, who is doing his best to whip up a pot panic despite declining
use by teenagers, "does not want to overreact."
"We shouldn't be victims of reefer madness," Walters says. At last, he
and I agree about something.
Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason and the author of "Saying Yes:
In Defense of Drug Use" (Tarcher/Putnam).
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| Title: Re: OT: Not Your Grandfather's Pot |
19 Aug 2004 09:30:35 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:38:16 +0100, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Not Your Grandfather's Pot
By Jacob Sullum, Reason.
http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/19593/
The government's latest anti-pot propaganda warns that today's marijuana
is 'twice as strong' as the pot of the mid-1980s. However, there's
little reason to believe stronger pot is worse for you.
The Office of National Drug Control Policy is so happy with a recent
Reuters story about marijuana that it has a prominent link to the
article on its Web site. It's not hard to see why.
"Pot is no longer the gentle weed of the 1960s and may pose a greater
threat than cocaine or even heroin," writes Reuters health and science
correspondent Maggie Fox. That's her talking, not the ONDCP. More
precisely, it's Fox dutifully parroting what the ONDCP has told her in
its latest attempt to scare people about marijuana.
Because so many Americans have decided, based on direct experience or by
observing pot smokers they know, that marijuana is no big deal, the
government's anti-pot propaganda has taken on a decidedly defensive
tone. "Marijuana today is a much more serious problem than the vast
majority of Americans understand," ONDCP Director John Walters tells
Maggie Fox. Or, as he put it during a visit to Seattle last month, "This
is not the substance you joked about in the '60s. We have a greater
reason for concern."
Such assertions are based on the premise that marijuana is much stronger
than it used to be. In a 1995 interview with the Dallas Morning News,
Clinton drug czar Lee Brown claimed "marijuana is 40 times more potent
today than was the case 10, 15, 20 years ago."
Lately the ONDCP has been warning that "today's marijuana is twice as
strong" as the pot of the mid-1980s.
Either the marijuana people smoked in the 1960s and '70s was not
psychoactive at all, and its perceived effects were a mass delusion, or
someone is exaggerating. Otherwise, we'd have to believe that the level
of THC (marijuana's main active ingredient) in today's pot exceeds 100
percent.
In fact, the ONDCP says the current average is something like 7 percent,
up from 3.5 percent in 1985, based on analyses of marijuana seized by
federal agents. But seizures are not necessarily a representative
sample, and if the focus of anti-pot efforts has shifted in the last two
decades, the 1985 data may not be comparable to more recent measurements.
Still, marijuana probably is somewhat more potent, on average, than it
used to be, because growers have gotten better at producing high-quality
cannabis. Contrary to what the government says, however, there's little
reason to believe stronger pot is worse for you. If anything, it's
healthier, since people smoke less of it to achieve the effect they want.
To her credit, Reuters' Fox allows someone from the Marijuana Policy
Project to make that point toward the end of her article. But she
provides no rebuttal for the government's insinuation that stronger pot
has caused a dramatic increase since 1992 in the number of teenagers "in
treatment for marijuana dependence and abuse."
The government's own data show that most teenagers treated for
"marijuana dependence and abuse" are referred by the criminal justice
system. Since the annual number of marijuana arrests in the U.S. has
more than doubled since 1992, it's not surprising that treatment
admissions have gone up as well. Even those that do not stem from
arrests can be the result of pressure from misguided school officials or
panicked parents.
Getting caught with pot does not mean you're an addict. As Mitch
Earleywine, author of "Understanding Marijuana," and Bruce Mirken of the
Marijuana Policy Project noted recently in the Hartford Advocate, most
marijuana "abusers" entering treatment have used the drug three or fewer
times during the previous month.
Marijuana's legal status clearly has an impact on decisions about who
should receive "treatment." Otherwise, it would be impossible to explain
why, as Fox reports, "children and teenagers are three times more likely
to be in treatment for marijuana dependence than for alcohol." Not only
is alcohol more widely used, but survey data indicate that addiction is
more common among drinkers than it is among pot smokers.
In case the prospect of addiction is not enough to scare the public, Fox
adds that stronger pot "could make children and teenagers anxious,
unmotivated or perhaps even psychotic" (although she concedes "the
research so far is inconclusive"). The story closes by saying that John
Walters, who is doing his best to whip up a pot panic despite declining
use by teenagers, "does not want to overreact."
"We shouldn't be victims of reefer madness," Walters says. At last, he
and I agree about something.
Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason and the author of "Saying Yes:
In Defense of Drug Use" (Tarcher/Putnam).
In the '70's and even now, different batches of marijuana were/are
wildly different in strength. The distinction is how much one smokes
to get the desired "high".
I have smoked it since the early '70's and there was and is good and
bad quality stuff, and the better the quality the better off the user
is because it is ultimately cheaper: a few hits off a small joint of
good stuff is much better than choking on a large quantity of poor
quality pot.
The major distinction between pot and physically addictive drugs is
that pot *does *not desensitize the user - the user does not need more
and more: if the supply is interrupted it's a bummer, not a reason to
kill and rob people for more truly addictive drugs. Withdrawal from
pot is a bummer but not physically harmful as in narcotic drugs.
Pot can't be overdosed on - no matter how strong it is, the user can
smoke until too lazy to reach for the joint, as opposed to a building
an insatiability to ingest more and more of the hard drugs. And a pot
cigarette goes out instead of burning the house down if you fall
asleep. Tobacco cigarettes keep burning because they leave in
potassium nitrate, if I remember.
Pot grows naturally from the earth, is dried, seeds squeezed out, and
smoked. All very natural. Doesn't need toxic fertilizers - it takes
care of itself, leaving the soil in good condition for the next crop.
The other drugs are processed, concentrated, and sold at extremely
inflated prices to those who are in fact really addicted. Just like
those in the pain reliever aisle at your local megabuck chain store.
Tobacco is another story - more addictive than all drugs, a poor
quality "high" and definite, proven hazard to health.
I have had personal experience with all of the above, and while I
don't advocate getting high, if you want to do it, use pot.
drift
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Not Your Grandfather's Pot |
20 Aug 2004 10:09:18 AM |
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wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:38:16 +0100, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Not Your Grandfather's Pot
By Jacob Sullum, Reason.
http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/19593/
The government's latest anti-pot propaganda warns that today's marijuana
is 'twice as strong' as the pot of the mid-1980s. However, there's
little reason to believe stronger pot is worse for you.
Snippage<<<<
In the '70's and even now, different batches of marijuana were/are
wildly different in strength. The distinction is how much one smokes
to get the desired "high".
Indeed so.
I have smoked it since the early '70's and there was and is good and
bad quality stuff, and the better the quality the better off the user
is because it is ultimately cheaper: a few hits off a small joint of
good stuff is much better than choking on a large quantity of poor
quality pot.
The major distinction between pot and physically addictive drugs is
that pot *does *not desensitize the user - the user does not need more
and more: if the supply is interrupted it's a bummer, not a reason to
kill and rob people for more truly addictive drugs. Withdrawal from
pot is a bummer but not physically harmful as in narcotic drugs.
Pot can't be overdosed on - no matter how strong it is, the user can
smoke until too lazy to reach for the joint, as opposed to a building
an insatiability to ingest more and more of the hard drugs. And a pot
cigarette goes out instead of burning the house down if you fall
asleep. Tobacco cigarettes keep burning because they leave in
potassium nitrate, if I remember.
Pot grows naturally from the earth, is dried, seeds squeezed out, and
smoked. All very natural. Doesn't need toxic fertilizers - it takes
care of itself, leaving the soil in good condition for the next crop.
I also take Hemp-oil supplements....Omega 3&6 !
The other drugs are processed, concentrated, and sold at extremely
inflated prices to those who are in fact really addicted. Just like
those in the pain reliever aisle at your local megabuck chain store.
Tobacco is another story - more addictive than all drugs, a poor
quality "high" and definite, proven hazard to health.
I have had personal experience with all of the above, and while I
don't advocate getting high, if you want to do it, use pot.
Indeed......even Bing Crosby said so !
http://www.veryimportantpotheads.com/site/NOTES.htm#bing
'"Louis [Armstrong]'s influence on Bing extended to his love of
marijuana, which he alternately called mezz (after Mezz Mezzrow), gage,
pot, or muggles. Bing didn't develop the lifelong appetite for it that
Louis did, but he enjoyed it in the early days--it was legal--and, like
Louis, surprised interviewers in the 1960s and 1970s by suggesting it be
decriminalized, to set it apart from more harmful and addictive drugs.
Bing's eldest son, Gary, argued that pot had a lasting effect on his
father's style: 'If you look at the way he sang and the way he walked
and talked, you could make a pretty good case for somebody who was
loaded. He said to me one time when he was really mad, ranting and
raving about my heavy drinking, he said, "Oh that fucking booze. It
killed your mother. Why don't you just smoke *****?" That was all he said
but there were other times when marijuana was mentioned and he'd get a
smile on his face. He'd kind of think about it and there'd be that
little smile.'"'
:)
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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20 Aug 2004 08:42:35 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:09:18 +0100, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
drift@lost.net wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:38:16 +0100, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Not Your Grandfather's Pot
By Jacob Sullum, Reason.
http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/19593/
The government's latest anti-pot propaganda warns that today's marijuana
is 'twice as strong' as the pot of the mid-1980s. However, there's
little reason to believe stronger pot is worse for you.
Snippage<<<<
In the '70's and even now, different batches of marijuana were/are
wildly different in strength. The distinction is how much one smokes
to get the desired "high".
Indeed so.
I have smoked it since the early '70's and there was and is good and
bad quality stuff, and the better the quality the better off the user
is because it is ultimately cheaper: a few hits off a small joint of
good stuff is much better than choking on a large quantity of poor
quality pot.
The major distinction between pot and physically addictive drugs is
that pot *does *not desensitize the user - the user does not need more
and more: if the supply is interrupted it's a bummer, not a reason to
kill and rob people for more truly addictive drugs. Withdrawal from
pot is a bummer but not physically harmful as in narcotic drugs.
Pot can't be overdosed on - no matter how strong it is, the user can
smoke until too lazy to reach for the joint, as opposed to a building
an insatiability to ingest more and more of the hard drugs. And a pot
cigarette goes out instead of burning the house down if you fall
asleep. Tobacco cigarettes keep burning because they leave in
potassium nitrate, if I remember.
Pot grows naturally from the earth, is dried, seeds squeezed out, and
smoked. All very natural. Doesn't need toxic fertilizers - it takes
care of itself, leaving the soil in good condition for the next crop.
I also take Hemp-oil supplements....Omega 3&6 !
The other drugs are processed, concentrated, and sold at extremely
inflated prices to those who are in fact really addicted. Just like
those in the pain reliever aisle at your local megabuck chain store.
Tobacco is another story - more addictive than all drugs, a poor
quality "high" and definite, proven hazard to health.
I have had personal experience with all of the above, and while I
don't advocate getting high, if you want to do it, use pot.
Indeed......even Bing Crosby said so !
http://www.veryimportantpotheads.com/site/NOTES.htm#bing
'"Louis [Armstrong]'s influence on Bing extended to his love of
marijuana, which he alternately called mezz (after Mezz Mezzrow), gage,
pot, or muggles. Bing didn't develop the lifelong appetite for it that
Louis did, but he enjoyed it in the early days--it was legal--and, like
Louis, surprised interviewers in the 1960s and 1970s by suggesting it be
decriminalized, to set it apart from more harmful and addictive drugs.
Bing's eldest son, Gary, argued that pot had a lasting effect on his
father's style: 'If you look at the way he sang and the way he walked
and talked, you could make a pretty good case for somebody who was
loaded. He said to me one time when he was really mad, ranting and
raving about my heavy drinking, he said, "Oh that fucking booze. It
killed your mother. Why don't you just smoke *****?" That was all he said
but there were other times when marijuana was mentioned and he'd get a
smile on his face. He'd kind of think about it and there'd be that
little smile.'"'
:)
Interesting. If I remember, it's mentioned in Jack Herer's book, "The
Emperor Wears No Clothes".
There's a lot of references to Anslinger and Co's hate for Jazz and
arts, targeting just about all swing musicians for a simultaneous
bust.
Just goes to show how rabidly the control freaks go against people who
are "not like them".
It's not new - the few wealthy nuts need to control the rest of us and
I can't figure out why.
How are some pot smokers going to topple their empire? Freedom of
thought? OHH Nooooo!!!
drift
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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19 Aug 2004 10:40:03 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Jez:
Such assertions are based on the premise that marijuana is much stronger
than it used to be. In a 1995 interview with the Dallas Morning News,
Clinton drug czar Lee Brown claimed "marijuana is 40 times more potent
today than was the case 10, 15, 20 years ago."
I tend to agree. My daughter's boyfriend smoked me out in my garage last
year. I'd had a few beers, and was enjoying the twilight when up he walks
with a bong. WTF. 20 minutes later my daughter had to help me to bed -
the evening was a wash. My head was spinning. Hell, the whole PLANET was
spinning.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree?
Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be
as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
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| User: "Jez" |
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20 Aug 2004 10:06:12 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Jez:
Such assertions are based on the premise that marijuana is much stronger
than it used to be. In a 1995 interview with the Dallas Morning News,
Clinton drug czar Lee Brown claimed "marijuana is 40 times more potent
today than was the case 10, 15, 20 years ago."
I tend to agree. My daughter's boyfriend smoked me out in my garage last
year. I'd had a few beers, and was enjoying the twilight when up he walks
with a bong. WTF. 20 minutes later my daughter had to help me to bed -
the evening was a wash. My head was spinning. Hell, the whole PLANET was
spinning.
It tends to hit people like that if you haven't smoked it for a few years.
That 40 times more potent comes from them comparing a sample that had
been held in a police-station from the early 70's with some stuff seized
around 1999.....pot loses a lot of it's potency in a few months.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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