| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Mark K. Bilbo" |
| Date: |
16 Nov 2005 10:56:20 AM |
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OT: Oh I so proud... |
Torture chambers in the "new" Iraq. The "new" Iraq we helped build.
Doesn't it just make you swell with pride?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C2C863B2C
or
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-16T153432Z_01_ROB645614_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ.xml
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
24 Nov 2005 10:14:17 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:52:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <v0d9o1l6ogpvm6vcg7edgdo2g4efoot3fu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:25 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
[]
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces, they can
sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle ball,
hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's the
incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al. to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal, here's the
end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!" then we
say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them shape up
their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
25 Nov 2005 12:49:29 AM |
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In article <blpbo1dvn7sd9kat68brc1h8nqrqaf6rm6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:52:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <v0d9o1l6ogpvm6vcg7edgdo2g4efoot3fu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:25 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
[]
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces, they can
sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle ball,
hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's the
incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al. to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal, here's the
end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!" then we
say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them shape up
their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
25 Nov 2005 09:22:34 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <blpbo1dvn7sd9kat68brc1h8nqrqaf6rm6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:52:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <v0d9o1l6ogpvm6vcg7edgdo2g4efoot3fu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:25 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
[]
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces, they can
sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle ball,
hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's the
incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al. to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal, here's the
end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!" then we
say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them shape up
their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
25 Nov 2005 05:25:24 PM |
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In article <91beo1dbv3001299ho7a9g2f6auh3b3cuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <blpbo1dvn7sd9kat68brc1h8nqrqaf6rm6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:52:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <v0d9o1l6ogpvm6vcg7edgdo2g4efoot3fu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:25 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
[]
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces, they
can
sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle
ball,
hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's the
incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al. to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal, here's
the
end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!" then
we
say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them
shape up
their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who cares
about them.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
26 Nov 2005 10:34:27 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:25:24 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <91beo1dbv3001299ho7a9g2f6auh3b3cuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <blpbo1dvn7sd9kat68brc1h8nqrqaf6rm6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:52:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <v0d9o1l6ogpvm6vcg7edgdo2g4efoot3fu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:25 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
[]
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces, they
can
sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle
ball,
hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's the
incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al. to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal, here's
the
end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!" then
we
say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them
shape up
their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
27 Nov 2005 12:43:23 AM |
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In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:25:24 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <91beo1dbv3001299ho7a9g2f6auh3b3cuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <blpbo1dvn7sd9kat68brc1h8nqrqaf6rm6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:52:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <v0d9o1l6ogpvm6vcg7edgdo2g4efoot3fu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:25 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
[]
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces,
they
can
sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle
ball,
hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's the
incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al.
to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal,
here's
the
end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!"
then
we
say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them
shape up
their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at
the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to
some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
27 Nov 2005 11:31:31 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:25:24 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <91beo1dbv3001299ho7a9g2f6auh3b3cuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <blpbo1dvn7sd9kat68brc1h8nqrqaf6rm6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:52:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <v0d9o1l6ogpvm6vcg7edgdo2g4efoot3fu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:25 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
[]
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces,
they
can
sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle
ball,
hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's the
incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al.
to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal,
here's
the
end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!"
then
we
say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them
shape up
their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at
the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to
some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
27 Nov 2005 11:36:03 PM |
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In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:25:24 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <91beo1dbv3001299ho7a9g2f6auh3b3cuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:49:29 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <blpbo1dvn7sd9kat68brc1h8nqrqaf6rm6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:52:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <v0d9o1l6ogpvm6vcg7edgdo2g4efoot3fu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:25 -0800, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
[]
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces,
they
can
sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political
whiffle
ball,
hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's
the
incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et
al.
to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal,
here's
the
end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!"
then
we
say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make
them
shape up
their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at
the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to
some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a
terrorist.
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
28 Nov 2005 05:10:18 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-9233F5.21360327112005@news.giganews.com...
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:25:24 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <91beo1dbv3001299ho7a9g2f6auh3b3cuu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:49:29 -0800, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <blpbo1dvn7sd9kat68brc1h8nqrqaf6rm6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:52:50 -0800, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <v0d9o1l6ogpvm6vcg7edgdo2g4efoot3fu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:25 -0800, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
[]
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the
pieces,
they
can
sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political
whiffle
ball,
hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline,
what's
the
incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel,
et
al.
to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the
withdrawal,
here's
the
end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get
us!"
then
we
say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make
them
shape up
their army, but it might force them to look long and
hard at
the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps
come to
some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a
terrorist.
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
Sounds just like his dad's last two years as President when
he was taking medicine that caused him to speak in half
sentences. No one knew about the medicine until he was
out of office and cured of whatever had ailed him. Of
course, Shrub is naturally almost incoherent at the best of
times.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
28 Nov 2005 12:12:48 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
30 Nov 2005 12:17:59 AM |
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In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
01 Dec 2005 01:25:46 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:17:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
I'm surprised the television screen hasn't melted.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
02 Dec 2005 01:10:30 AM |
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In article <ahjuo1h8e5hvaa7o2tb254gusnibc3s7it@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:17:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
I'm surprised the television screen hasn't melted.
It hasn't yet, but my irony meter keeps on exploding. I'm still waiting
for his head to explode and ***** go flying all over the place.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
02 Dec 2005 11:00:37 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:10:30 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <ahjuo1h8e5hvaa7o2tb254gusnibc3s7it@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:17:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
I'm surprised the television screen hasn't melted.
It hasn't yet, but my irony meter keeps on exploding. I'm still waiting
for his head to explode and ***** go flying all over the place.
He's 'devolved' to nothing but sphincter.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
03 Dec 2005 01:18:50 AM |
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In article <scv0p1dabtop2gth0guv62a8d5p45g5h1s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:10:30 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <ahjuo1h8e5hvaa7o2tb254gusnibc3s7it@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:17:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but
who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and
erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
I'm surprised the television screen hasn't melted.
It hasn't yet, but my irony meter keeps on exploding. I'm still waiting
for his head to explode and ***** go flying all over the place.
He's 'devolved' to nothing but sphincter.
The ***** Magnus of the world.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
03 Dec 2005 11:24:27 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:18:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <scv0p1dabtop2gth0guv62a8d5p45g5h1s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:10:30 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <ahjuo1h8e5hvaa7o2tb254gusnibc3s7it@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:17:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but
who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and
erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
I'm surprised the television screen hasn't melted.
It hasn't yet, but my irony meter keeps on exploding. I'm still waiting
for his head to explode and ***** go flying all over the place.
He's 'devolved' to nothing but sphincter.
The ***** Magnus of the world.
***** Lade.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
04 Dec 2005 01:53:16 AM |
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In article <06l3p1h170u5c3iui4ea1q2m55fcuma4e8@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:18:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <scv0p1dabtop2gth0guv62a8d5p45g5h1s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:10:30 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <ahjuo1h8e5hvaa7o2tb254gusnibc3s7it@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:17:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are,
but
who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and
erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on
something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
I'm surprised the television screen hasn't melted.
It hasn't yet, but my irony meter keeps on exploding. I'm still waiting
for his head to explode and ***** go flying all over the place.
He's 'devolved' to nothing but sphincter.
The ***** Magnus of the world.
***** Lade.
Summa summa ***** double dipsy doodle laude.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
04 Dec 2005 11:40:59 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:53:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <06l3p1h170u5c3iui4ea1q2m55fcuma4e8@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:18:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <scv0p1dabtop2gth0guv62a8d5p45g5h1s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:10:30 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <ahjuo1h8e5hvaa7o2tb254gusnibc3s7it@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:17:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are,
but
who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and
erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on
something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
I'm surprised the television screen hasn't melted.
It hasn't yet, but my irony meter keeps on exploding. I'm still waiting
for his head to explode and ***** go flying all over the place.
He's 'devolved' to nothing but sphincter.
The ***** Magnus of the world.
***** Lade.
Summa summa ***** double dipsy doodle laude.
drooling nutcase.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
04 Dec 2005 11:22:52 PM |
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In article <sga6p1trog1odkk7fhao8qpuk7qu43vh4t@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:53:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <06l3p1h170u5c3iui4ea1q2m55fcuma4e8@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:18:50 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <scv0p1dabtop2gth0guv62a8d5p45g5h1s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:10:30 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <ahjuo1h8e5hvaa7o2tb254gusnibc3s7it@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:17:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying
that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are,
but
who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and
erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on
something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a
few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
I'm surprised the television screen hasn't melted.
It hasn't yet, but my irony meter keeps on exploding. I'm still
waiting
for his head to explode and ***** go flying all over the place.
He's 'devolved' to nothing but sphincter.
The ***** Magnus of the world.
***** Lade.
Summa summa ***** double dipsy doodle laude.
drooling nutcase.
I know amoebas more intelligent than he is.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
10 Dec 2005 01:17:31 AM |
|
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In article <scv0p1dabtop2gth0guv62a8d5p45g5h1s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:10:30 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <ahjuo1h8e5hvaa7o2tb254gusnibc3s7it@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:17:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <j3imo19407d0bhnh176ljl1gl28ggojdqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:36:03 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3brjo1h8jrjtva7uc5iuhmpbnsqcdqt68n@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:43:23 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:
In article <3k3ho15a5rnreatjpmgr4bdug923ubg2tu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Phred emulates his hero Shrub.
Monkey see monkey do.
Monkey's are much more intelligent than both.
I hope that the monkeys are not mad at me for saying that.
Some aren't.
The ones in the administration and on usenet probably are, but
who
cares
about them.
Shrub doesn't.
Shrub only cares about where he can get his next fix.
Of death and destruction.
That too. Some speculate, however, that his even more moody and
erratic
behavior and speech as of late might indicate that he is on something.
Wouldn't know, as I've deliberately avoided listening to his
droolings.
If I happen to be watching the news, he usually manages to get a few
dribbles in before I can hit the remote.
I'm surprised the television screen hasn't melted.
It hasn't yet, but my irony meter keeps on exploding. I'm still waiting
for his head to explode and ***** go flying all over the place.
He's 'devolved' to nothing but sphincter.
You think if someone threw water on him he might start melting. Or do we
have to crush him with a House?
--
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any
charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgement of his
peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totali-
tarian government whether Nazi or Communist." -- W. Churchill, Nov 21, 1943
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23 Nov 2005 10:06:44 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-F24649.21542522112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0E4A62.22194821112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <74ydnTsEIJgtlhzenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <jhachm-B7384E.15315120112005@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote:
In article <Xns971473ECDED3Afstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-3497F9.23004019112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns971362227976Ffstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1BF305.00053219112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns97114C12EE5BCfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-620483.22421716112005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<6v-dnaAcPL5U-ebenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Torture chambers in the "new" Iraq. The "new" Iraq we
helped build. Doesn't it just make you swell with
pride?
Saddam is in jail but what else has changed?
Quite a bit, actually.
People are still being murdered and tortured.
But now it's against the law in fact as well as in
principle.
Until it happens again.
No, if it happens again it'll still be against the law in fact
as well as in principle, and the perpetrators will be found and
punished.
Maybe, maybe not.
CNN isn't covering up the story to keep "access". And
there are people in the government who are outraged at
the discovery and who will take action against those who
have perpetrated this crime.
A weak government propped up by a foreign army of
occupation.
A government which will be holding parliamentary elections
in less than a month. A government with its own army that is
increasingly capable of carrying out security missions.
49 Iraqis killed today. Where was the Iraqi army?
Oh, dear, another one got through, I guess we better abandon
the whole country to the terrorists so that they can *all* get
through. That'll make us a *WHOLE LOT* safer.
So you agree with Rep. Murtha.
Some
claimed that they deplored the torture, but I wonder how
many applauded it or may have even taken part in it.
That's nothing more than rank cynicism on your part.
I prefer realism. I wish our government would get some.
You say that you prefer realism but you indulge in paranoid
fantasies.
I'm not the one who believes Bush's lies.
Funny that nobody's picked up on the idea that one reason the new
Iraqi government has *not gotten its act together is "let the
Americans do it."
Actually, I was thinking about the same thing today. With the
Americans there, the Iraqi government has a lot less incentive to
fight. When the going gets tough, call in the Yanks.
As recently as a few months ago Democrats were telling us how we
needed to send more troops. Now that the final round of elections are
near, and bound to succeed, they're demanding a pullout. I bet
they'll be claiming credit for any withdrawals when they happen after
the election in December.
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces, they
can sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle
ball, hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's
the incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al. to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal, here's
the end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!"
then we say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them shape
up their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
No, I make the historical observation that insurgencies which include a
terrorist faction tend to end up with the terrorists in charge if the
insurgency wins.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
23 Nov 2005 11:53:47 PM |
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In article <Xns9717712AEA5B6fstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-F24649.21542522112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0E4A62.22194821112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <74ydnTsEIJgtlhzenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <jhachm-B7384E.15315120112005@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote:
In article <Xns971473ECDED3Afstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-3497F9.23004019112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns971362227976Ffstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1BF305.00053219112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns97114C12EE5BCfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-620483.22421716112005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<6v-dnaAcPL5U-ebenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Torture chambers in the "new" Iraq. The "new" Iraq we
helped build. Doesn't it just make you swell with
pride?
Saddam is in jail but what else has changed?
Quite a bit, actually.
People are still being murdered and tortured.
But now it's against the law in fact as well as in
principle.
Until it happens again.
No, if it happens again it'll still be against the law in fact
as well as in principle, and the perpetrators will be found and
punished.
Maybe, maybe not.
CNN isn't covering up the story to keep "access". And
there are people in the government who are outraged at
the discovery and who will take action against those who
have perpetrated this crime.
A weak government propped up by a foreign army of
occupation.
A government which will be holding parliamentary elections
in less than a month. A government with its own army that is
increasingly capable of carrying out security missions.
49 Iraqis killed today. Where was the Iraqi army?
Oh, dear, another one got through, I guess we better abandon
the whole country to the terrorists so that they can *all* get
through. That'll make us a *WHOLE LOT* safer.
So you agree with Rep. Murtha.
Some
claimed that they deplored the torture, but I wonder how
many applauded it or may have even taken part in it.
That's nothing more than rank cynicism on your part.
I prefer realism. I wish our government would get some.
You say that you prefer realism but you indulge in paranoid
fantasies.
I'm not the one who believes Bush's lies.
Funny that nobody's picked up on the idea that one reason the new
Iraqi government has *not gotten its act together is "let the
Americans do it."
Actually, I was thinking about the same thing today. With the
Americans there, the Iraqi government has a lot less incentive to
fight. When the going gets tough, call in the Yanks.
As recently as a few months ago Democrats were telling us how we
needed to send more troops. Now that the final round of elections are
near, and bound to succeed, they're demanding a pullout. I bet
they'll be claiming credit for any withdrawals when they happen after
the election in December.
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces, they
can sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle
ball, hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's
the incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al. to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal, here's
the end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!"
then we say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them shape
up their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
No, I make the historical observation that insurgencies which include a
terrorist faction tend to end up with the terrorists in charge if the
insurgency wins.
Now I suppose that you can provide cites for that.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
24 Nov 2005 10:35:33 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:53:47 -0800, in alt.atheism
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
<jhachm-FEA9E7.21534723112005@news.giganews.com>:
In article <Xns9717712AEA5B6fstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-F24649.21542522112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0E4A62.22194821112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <74ydnTsEIJgtlhzenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <jhachm-B7384E.15315120112005@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote:
In article <Xns971473ECDED3Afstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-3497F9.23004019112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns971362227976Ffstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1BF305.00053219112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns97114C12EE5BCfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-620483.22421716112005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<6v-dnaAcPL5U-ebenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Torture chambers in the "new" Iraq. The "new" Iraq we
helped build. Doesn't it just make you swell with
pride?
Saddam is in jail but what else has changed?
Quite a bit, actually.
People are still being murdered and tortured.
But now it's against the law in fact as well as in
principle.
Until it happens again.
No, if it happens again it'll still be against the law in fact
as well as in principle, and the perpetrators will be found and
punished.
Maybe, maybe not.
CNN isn't covering up the story to keep "access". And
there are people in the government who are outraged at
the discovery and who will take action against those who
have perpetrated this crime.
A weak government propped up by a foreign army of
occupation.
A government which will be holding parliamentary elections
in less than a month. A government with its own army that is
increasingly capable of carrying out security missions.
49 Iraqis killed today. Where was the Iraqi army?
Oh, dear, another one got through, I guess we better abandon
the whole country to the terrorists so that they can *all* get
through. That'll make us a *WHOLE LOT* safer.
So you agree with Rep. Murtha.
Some
claimed that they deplored the torture, but I wonder how
many applauded it or may have even taken part in it.
That's nothing more than rank cynicism on your part.
I prefer realism. I wish our government would get some.
You say that you prefer realism but you indulge in paranoid
fantasies.
I'm not the one who believes Bush's lies.
Funny that nobody's picked up on the idea that one reason the new
Iraqi government has *not gotten its act together is "let the
Americans do it."
Actually, I was thinking about the same thing today. With the
Americans there, the Iraqi government has a lot less incentive to
fight. When the going gets tough, call in the Yanks.
As recently as a few months ago Democrats were telling us how we
needed to send more troops. Now that the final round of elections are
near, and bound to succeed, they're demanding a pullout. I bet
they'll be claiming credit for any withdrawals when they happen after
the election in December.
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces, they
can sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle
ball, hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's
the incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al. to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal, here's
the end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!"
then we say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them shape
up their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
No, I make the historical observation that insurgencies which include a
terrorist faction tend to end up with the terrorists in charge if the
insurgency wins.
Now I suppose that you can provide cites for that.
<mode: random pointless data point>
The Terror during the French Revolution.
</mode>
Personally, I was under the impression that a terrorist is someone who
engages in terrorism. It's a method, not a goal. The goal is to change
something in the way the government or society that is the target of the
terrorism is acting. It tends to be born of frustration and anger, much
like riots are, and, much like riots, terror is useless in itself.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Oh I so proud... |
25 Nov 2005 12:33:23 AM |
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In article <elqbo19ej29dldjr77clncae3sh3qcp8fh@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:53:47 -0800, in alt.atheism
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
<jhachm-FEA9E7.21534723112005@news.giganews.com>:
In article <Xns9717712AEA5B6fstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-F24649.21542522112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9716529E5E73Bfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-0E4A62.22194821112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <74ydnTsEIJgtlhzenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <jhachm-B7384E.15315120112005@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote:
In article <Xns971473ECDED3Afstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-3497F9.23004019112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns971362227976Ffstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1BF305.00053219112005@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns97114C12EE5BCfstone69@213.155.197.138>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-620483.22421716112005@news.giganews.com:
In article
<6v-dnaAcPL5U-ebenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Torture chambers in the "new" Iraq. The "new" Iraq we
helped build. Doesn't it just make you swell with
pride?
Saddam is in jail but what else has changed?
Quite a bit, actually.
People are still being murdered and tortured.
But now it's against the law in fact as well as in
principle.
Until it happens again.
No, if it happens again it'll still be against the law in fact
as well as in principle, and the perpetrators will be found and
punished.
Maybe, maybe not.
CNN isn't covering up the story to keep "access". And
there are people in the government who are outraged at
the discovery and who will take action against those who
have perpetrated this crime.
A weak government propped up by a foreign army of
occupation.
A government which will be holding parliamentary elections
in less than a month. A government with its own army that is
increasingly capable of carrying out security missions.
49 Iraqis killed today. Where was the Iraqi army?
Oh, dear, another one got through, I guess we better abandon
the whole country to the terrorists so that they can *all* get
through. That'll make us a *WHOLE LOT* safer.
So you agree with Rep. Murtha.
Some
claimed that they deplored the torture, but I wonder how
many applauded it or may have even taken part in it.
That's nothing more than rank cynicism on your part.
I prefer realism. I wish our government would get some.
You say that you prefer realism but you indulge in paranoid
fantasies.
I'm not the one who believes Bush's lies.
Funny that nobody's picked up on the idea that one reason the new
Iraqi government has *not gotten its act together is "let the
Americans do it."
Actually, I was thinking about the same thing today. With the
Americans there, the Iraqi government has a lot less incentive to
fight. When the going gets tough, call in the Yanks.
As recently as a few months ago Democrats were telling us how we
needed to send more troops. Now that the final round of elections are
near, and bound to succeed, they're demanding a pullout. I bet
they'll be claiming credit for any withdrawals when they happen after
the election in December.
Why should they bother? We're there to pick up the pieces, they
can sit around, waste time, embezzle funds, play political whiffle
ball, hell, watch TV. With a "until it's done" deadline, what's
the incentive?
And collaborate with the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel, et al. to
steal even more.
They need to be told "here's the start of the withdrawal, here's
the end." If they start whining "but the insurgents'll get us!"
then we say "then you better get your butt in gear huh?"
That might accomplish two things. Not only would it make them shape
up their army, but it might force them to look long and hard at the
prospect of a long and bloody civil war, and perhaps come to some
agreement with the insurgents.
Which gives the victory to the terrorists.
You make the false assumption that every insurgent is a terrorist.
No, I make the historical observation that insurgencies which include a
terrorist faction tend to end up with the terrorists in charge if the
insurgency wins.
Now I suppose that you can provide cites for that.
<mode: random pointless data point>
The Terror during the French Revolution.
</mode>
Personally, I was under the impression that a terrorist is someone who
engages in terrorism. It's a method, not a goal. The goal is to change
something in the way the government or society that is the target of the
terrorism is acting. It tends to be born of frustration and anger, much
like riots are, and, much like riots, terror is useless in itself.
I agree. terrorism is a tactic not a political position or even a
belief. Also what is called an act of terror is quite arbitrary. Many,
rightly or wrongly, refer to the Allied fire bombings or the US use of
nuclear weapons in WW2 as acts of terror.
If I recall, the French dissidents did not engage in acts of terrorism
before the revolution. As happens often after revolutions or civil wars,
the winners exact a terrible revenge on the losers for past injustices,
real or imaginary. To me that is not terrorism since the acts are
systematically carried out against a specific target, often under the
pretense of legality.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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