Religions > Atheism > OT: Olbermann Again: "This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they went along."
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OT: Olbermann Again: "This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they went along." |
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/06/olbermann-this-country-was-founded-to-prevent-anybody-from-making-it-up-as-they-went-along/
or
http://tinyurl.com/ydyhuz
***
And finally tonight, a Special Comment about tomorrow's elections.
We are, as every generation, inseparable from our own time.
Thus is our perspective, inevitably that of the explorer looking into the
wrong end of the telescope.
But even accounting for our myopia, it's hard to imagine there have been
many elections more important than this one, certainly not in
Non-Presidential years.
And so we look at the verdict in the trial of Saddam Hussein yesterday, and,
with the very phrase "October, or November, Surprise" now a part of our
vernacular, and the chest-thumping coming from so many of the Republican
campaigners today, each of us must wonder about the convenience of the
timing of his conviction and sentencing.
But let us give history and coincidence the benefit of the doubt - let's say
it's just "happened" that way - and for a moment not look into the wrong end
of the telescope.
Let's perceive instead the bigger picture:
Saddam Hussein, found guilty in an Iraqi court.
Who can argue against that?
He is officially, what the world always knew he was: a war criminal.
Mr. Bush, was this imprimatur, worth the cost of 2,832 American lives, and
thousands more American lives yet to be lost?
Is the conviction of Saddam Hussein the reason you went to war in Iraq?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the Weapons of Mass Destruction that
did not exist?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the connection between Iraq and Al
Qaeda that did not exist?
Or did you go to war in Iraq to break the bonds of tyranny there - while
installing the mechanisms of tyranny here?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because you felt the need to wreak vengeance
against somebody - anybody?
Or did you go to war in Iraq to contain a rogue state which, months earlier,
your own administration had declared had been fully contained by sanctions?
Or did you go to war in Iraq. to keep gas prices down?
How startling it was, Sir, to hear you introduce oil to your stump speeches
over the weekend.
Not four years removed from the most dismissive, the most condescending, the
most ridiculing denials of the very hint at, as Mr. Rumsfeld put it, this
"nonsense".
There you were, campaigning in Colorado, in Nebraska, in Florida, in
Kansas - suddenly turning this 'unpatriotic idea'. into a platform plank.
"You can imagine a world in which these extremists and radicals got control
of energy resources," you told us. "And then you can imagine them saying,
'We're going to pull a bunch of oil off the market to run your price of oil
up unless you do the following."
Having frightened us, having bullied us, having lied to us, having ignored
and re-written the constitution under our noses, having stayed the course,
having denied you've stayed the course, having belittled us about
"timelines" but instead extolled "benchmarks".
You've now resorted, Sir, to this?
We must stay in Iraq to save the two-dollar gallon of gas?
-
Mr. President, there is no other conclusion we can draw as we go to the
polls tomorrow.
Sir. you have been making this up as you went along.
This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they went
along.
Those vaunted founding fathers of ours have been so quoted-up, that they
appear as marble statues: like the chiseled guards of China, or the faces on
Mount Rushmore.
But in fact they were practical people and the thing they obviously feared
most, was a government of men and not laws.
They provided the checks and balances for a reason.
No one man could run the government the way he saw fit - unless he, at the
least, took into consideration what those he governed saw.
A House of Representatives would be the people's eyes.
A Senate would be the corrective force on that House.
An Executive would do the work. and hold the Constitution to his chest like
his child.
A Supreme Court would oversee it all.
Checks and balances.
Where did that go, Mr. Bush?
And what price did we pay because we have let it go?
Saddam Hussein will get out of Iraq the same way 2,832 Americans have, and
thousands more.
He'll get out faster than we will.
And if nothing changes tomorrow, you, Sir, will be out of the White House
long before the rest of us can say. we are out of Iraq.
And whose fault is this?
Not truly yours. You took advantage of those of us who were afraid, and
those of us who believed unity and nation took precedence over all else.
But we let you take that advantage.
And so we let you go to war in Iraq. To. oust Saddam. Or find non-existant
Weapons. Or avenge 9/11. Or fight terrorists who only got there after we
did. Or as cover to change the fabric of our Constitution. Or for lower
prices at The Texaco. Or. ?
There are still a few hours left, before the polls open, sir, there are many
rationalizations still untried.
And whatever your motives of the moment, we the people have, in true good
faith and with the genuine patriotism of self-sacrifice (of which you have
shown you know nothing). we have let you go on.
Making it up.
As you went along.
Un-checked. and un-balanced.
Vote.
***
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Olbermann Again: "This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they went along." |
07 Nov 2006 01:29:20 AM |
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In article <4raedtFqlg65U1@mid.individual.net>,
"G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/06/olbermann-this-country-was-founded-to
-prevent-anybody-from-making-it-up-as-they-went-along/
or
http://tinyurl.com/ydyhuz
***
And finally tonight, a Special Comment about tomorrow's elections.
We are, as every generation, inseparable from our own time.
Thus is our perspective, inevitably that of the explorer looking into the
wrong end of the telescope.
But even accounting for our myopia, it's hard to imagine there have been
many elections more important than this one, certainly not in
Non-Presidential years.
And so we look at the verdict in the trial of Saddam Hussein yesterday, and,
with the very phrase "October, or November, Surprise" now a part of our
vernacular, and the chest-thumping coming from so many of the Republican
campaigners today, each of us must wonder about the convenience of the
timing of his conviction and sentencing.
But let us give history and coincidence the benefit of the doubt - let's say
it's just "happened" that way - and for a moment not look into the wrong end
of the telescope.
Let's perceive instead the bigger picture:
Saddam Hussein, found guilty in an Iraqi court.
Who can argue against that?
He is officially, what the world always knew he was: a war criminal.
Mr. Bush, was this imprimatur, worth the cost of 2,832 American lives, and
thousands more American lives yet to be lost?
Is the conviction of Saddam Hussein the reason you went to war in Iraq?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the Weapons of Mass Destruction that
did not exist?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the connection between Iraq and Al
Qaeda that did not exist?
Or did you go to war in Iraq to break the bonds of tyranny there - while
installing the mechanisms of tyranny here?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because you felt the need to wreak vengeance
against somebody - anybody?
Or did you go to war in Iraq to contain a rogue state which, months earlier,
your own administration had declared had been fully contained by sanctions?
Or did you go to war in Iraq. to keep gas prices down?
How startling it was, Sir, to hear you introduce oil to your stump speeches
over the weekend.
Not four years removed from the most dismissive, the most condescending, the
most ridiculing denials of the very hint at, as Mr. Rumsfeld put it, this
"nonsense".
There you were, campaigning in Colorado, in Nebraska, in Florida, in
Kansas - suddenly turning this 'unpatriotic idea'. into a platform plank.
"You can imagine a world in which these extremists and radicals got control
of energy resources," you told us. "And then you can imagine them saying,
'We're going to pull a bunch of oil off the market to run your price of oil
up unless you do the following."
Having frightened us, having bullied us, having lied to us, having ignored
and re-written the constitution under our noses, having stayed the course,
having denied you've stayed the course, having belittled us about
"timelines" but instead extolled "benchmarks".
You've now resorted, Sir, to this?
We must stay in Iraq to save the two-dollar gallon of gas?
-
Mr. President, there is no other conclusion we can draw as we go to the
polls tomorrow.
Sir. you have been making this up as you went along.
This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they went
along.
Those vaunted founding fathers of ours have been so quoted-up, that they
appear as marble statues: like the chiseled guards of China, or the faces on
Mount Rushmore.
But in fact they were practical people and the thing they obviously feared
most, was a government of men and not laws.
They provided the checks and balances for a reason.
No one man could run the government the way he saw fit - unless he, at the
least, took into consideration what those he governed saw.
A House of Representatives would be the people's eyes.
A Senate would be the corrective force on that House.
An Executive would do the work. and hold the Constitution to his chest like
his child.
A Supreme Court would oversee it all.
Checks and balances.
Where did that go, Mr. Bush?
And what price did we pay because we have let it go?
Saddam Hussein will get out of Iraq the same way 2,832 Americans have, and
thousands more.
He'll get out faster than we will.
And if nothing changes tomorrow, you, Sir, will be out of the White House
long before the rest of us can say. we are out of Iraq.
And whose fault is this?
Not truly yours. You took advantage of those of us who were afraid, and
those of us who believed unity and nation took precedence over all else.
But we let you take that advantage.
And so we let you go to war in Iraq. To. oust Saddam. Or find non-existant
Weapons. Or avenge 9/11. Or fight terrorists who only got there after we
did. Or as cover to change the fabric of our Constitution. Or for lower
prices at The Texaco. Or. ?
There are still a few hours left, before the polls open, sir, there are many
rationalizations still untried.
And whatever your motives of the moment, we the people have, in true good
faith and with the genuine patriotism of self-sacrifice (of which you have
shown you know nothing). we have let you go on.
Making it up.
As you went along.
Un-checked. and un-balanced.
Bush is unbalanced.
Vote.
***
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Olbermann Again: "This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they went along." |
07 Nov 2006 04:53:52 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-AA374D.23292006112006@news.giganews.com...
In article <4raedtFqlg65U1@mid.individual.net>,
"G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/06/olbermann-this-country-was-founded-to
-prevent-anybody-from-making-it-up-as-they-went-along/
or
http://tinyurl.com/ydyhuz
***
And finally tonight, a Special Comment about tomorrow's elections.
We are, as every generation, inseparable from our own time.
Thus is our perspective, inevitably that of the explorer looking into the
wrong end of the telescope.
But even accounting for our myopia, it's hard to imagine there have been
many elections more important than this one, certainly not in
Non-Presidential years.
And so we look at the verdict in the trial of Saddam Hussein yesterday,
and,
with the very phrase "October, or November, Surprise" now a part of our
vernacular, and the chest-thumping coming from so many of the Republican
campaigners today, each of us must wonder about the convenience of the
timing of his conviction and sentencing.
But let us give history and coincidence the benefit of the doubt - let's
say
it's just "happened" that way - and for a moment not look into the wrong
end
of the telescope.
Let's perceive instead the bigger picture:
Saddam Hussein, found guilty in an Iraqi court.
Who can argue against that?
He is officially, what the world always knew he was: a war criminal.
Mr. Bush, was this imprimatur, worth the cost of 2,832 American lives,
and
thousands more American lives yet to be lost?
Is the conviction of Saddam Hussein the reason you went to war in Iraq?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the Weapons of Mass Destruction
that
did not exist?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the connection between Iraq and
Al
Qaeda that did not exist?
Or did you go to war in Iraq to break the bonds of tyranny there - while
installing the mechanisms of tyranny here?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because you felt the need to wreak vengeance
against somebody - anybody?
Or did you go to war in Iraq to contain a rogue state which, months
earlier,
your own administration had declared had been fully contained by
sanctions?
Or did you go to war in Iraq. to keep gas prices down?
How startling it was, Sir, to hear you introduce oil to your stump
speeches
over the weekend.
Not four years removed from the most dismissive, the most condescending,
the
most ridiculing denials of the very hint at, as Mr. Rumsfeld put it, this
"nonsense".
There you were, campaigning in Colorado, in Nebraska, in Florida, in
Kansas - suddenly turning this 'unpatriotic idea'. into a platform plank.
"You can imagine a world in which these extremists and radicals got
control
of energy resources," you told us. "And then you can imagine them saying,
'We're going to pull a bunch of oil off the market to run your price of
oil
up unless you do the following."
Having frightened us, having bullied us, having lied to us, having
ignored
and re-written the constitution under our noses, having stayed the
course,
having denied you've stayed the course, having belittled us about
"timelines" but instead extolled "benchmarks".
You've now resorted, Sir, to this?
We must stay in Iraq to save the two-dollar gallon of gas?
-
Mr. President, there is no other conclusion we can draw as we go to the
polls tomorrow.
Sir. you have been making this up as you went along.
This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they
went
along.
Those vaunted founding fathers of ours have been so quoted-up, that they
appear as marble statues: like the chiseled guards of China, or the faces
on
Mount Rushmore.
But in fact they were practical people and the thing they obviously
feared
most, was a government of men and not laws.
They provided the checks and balances for a reason.
No one man could run the government the way he saw fit - unless he, at
the
least, took into consideration what those he governed saw.
A House of Representatives would be the people's eyes.
A Senate would be the corrective force on that House.
An Executive would do the work. and hold the Constitution to his chest
like
his child.
A Supreme Court would oversee it all.
Checks and balances.
Where did that go, Mr. Bush?
And what price did we pay because we have let it go?
Saddam Hussein will get out of Iraq the same way 2,832 Americans have,
and
thousands more.
He'll get out faster than we will.
And if nothing changes tomorrow, you, Sir, will be out of the White House
long before the rest of us can say. we are out of Iraq.
And whose fault is this?
Not truly yours. You took advantage of those of us who were afraid, and
those of us who believed unity and nation took precedence over all else.
But we let you take that advantage.
And so we let you go to war in Iraq. To. oust Saddam. Or find
non-existant
Weapons. Or avenge 9/11. Or fight terrorists who only got there after we
did. Or as cover to change the fabric of our Constitution. Or for lower
prices at The Texaco. Or. ?
There are still a few hours left, before the polls open, sir, there are
many
rationalizations still untried.
And whatever your motives of the moment, we the people have, in true good
faith and with the genuine patriotism of self-sacrifice (of which you
have
shown you know nothing). we have let you go on.
Making it up.
As you went along.
Un-checked. and un-balanced.
Bush is unbalanced.
Does this mean that Olberman's not going to vote Republican?
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Olbermann Again: "This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they went along." |
08 Nov 2006 12:04:09 AM |
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In article <4BZ3h.9346$nG1.3744@tornado.southeast.rr.com>,
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-AA374D.23292006112006@news.giganews.com...
In article <4raedtFqlg65U1@mid.individual.net>,
"G-Ride" <gride42nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/06/olbermann-this-country-was-founded
-to
-prevent-anybody-from-making-it-up-as-they-went-along/
or
http://tinyurl.com/ydyhuz
***
And finally tonight, a Special Comment about tomorrow's elections.
We are, as every generation, inseparable from our own time.
Thus is our perspective, inevitably that of the explorer looking into the
wrong end of the telescope.
But even accounting for our myopia, it's hard to imagine there have been
many elections more important than this one, certainly not in
Non-Presidential years.
And so we look at the verdict in the trial of Saddam Hussein yesterday,
and,
with the very phrase "October, or November, Surprise" now a part of our
vernacular, and the chest-thumping coming from so many of the Republican
campaigners today, each of us must wonder about the convenience of the
timing of his conviction and sentencing.
But let us give history and coincidence the benefit of the doubt - let's
say
it's just "happened" that way - and for a moment not look into the wrong
end
of the telescope.
Let's perceive instead the bigger picture:
Saddam Hussein, found guilty in an Iraqi court.
Who can argue against that?
He is officially, what the world always knew he was: a war criminal.
Mr. Bush, was this imprimatur, worth the cost of 2,832 American lives,
and
thousands more American lives yet to be lost?
Is the conviction of Saddam Hussein the reason you went to war in Iraq?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the Weapons of Mass Destruction
that
did not exist?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because of the connection between Iraq and
Al
Qaeda that did not exist?
Or did you go to war in Iraq to break the bonds of tyranny there - while
installing the mechanisms of tyranny here?
Or did you go to war in Iraq because you felt the need to wreak vengeance
against somebody - anybody?
Or did you go to war in Iraq to contain a rogue state which, months
earlier,
your own administration had declared had been fully contained by
sanctions?
Or did you go to war in Iraq. to keep gas prices down?
How startling it was, Sir, to hear you introduce oil to your stump
speeches
over the weekend.
Not four years removed from the most dismissive, the most condescending,
the
most ridiculing denials of the very hint at, as Mr. Rumsfeld put it, this
"nonsense".
There you were, campaigning in Colorado, in Nebraska, in Florida, in
Kansas - suddenly turning this 'unpatriotic idea'. into a platform plank.
"You can imagine a world in which these extremists and radicals got
control
of energy resources," you told us. "And then you can imagine them saying,
'We're going to pull a bunch of oil off the market to run your price of
oil
up unless you do the following."
Having frightened us, having bullied us, having lied to us, having
ignored
and re-written the constitution under our noses, having stayed the
course,
having denied you've stayed the course, having belittled us about
"timelines" but instead extolled "benchmarks".
You've now resorted, Sir, to this?
We must stay in Iraq to save the two-dollar gallon of gas?
-
Mr. President, there is no other conclusion we can draw as we go to the
polls tomorrow.
Sir. you have been making this up as you went along.
This country was founded to prevent anybody from making it up as they
went
along.
Those vaunted founding fathers of ours have been so quoted-up, that they
appear as marble statues: like the chiseled guards of China, or the faces
on
Mount Rushmore.
But in fact they were practical people and the thing they obviously
feared
most, was a government of men and not laws.
They provided the checks and balances for a reason.
No one man could run the government the way he saw fit - unless he, at
the
least, took into consideration what those he governed saw.
A House of Representatives would be the people's eyes.
A Senate would be the corrective force on that House.
An Executive would do the work. and hold the Constitution to his chest
like
his child.
A Supreme Court would oversee it all.
Checks and balances.
Where did that go, Mr. Bush?
And what price did we pay because we have let it go?
Saddam Hussein will get out of Iraq the same way 2,832 Americans have,
and
thousands more.
He'll get out faster than we will.
And if nothing changes tomorrow, you, Sir, will be out of the White House
long before the rest of us can say. we are out of Iraq.
And whose fault is this?
Not truly yours. You took advantage of those of us who were afraid, and
those of us who believed unity and nation took precedence over all else.
But we let you take that advantage.
And so we let you go to war in Iraq. To. oust Saddam. Or find
non-existant
Weapons. Or avenge 9/11. Or fight terrorists who only got there after we
did. Or as cover to change the fabric of our Constitution. Or for lower
prices at The Texaco. Or. ?
There are still a few hours left, before the polls open, sir, there are
many
rationalizations still untried.
And whatever your motives of the moment, we the people have, in true good
faith and with the genuine patriotism of self-sacrifice (of which you
have
shown you know nothing). we have let you go on.
Making it up.
As you went along.
Un-checked. and un-balanced.
Bush is unbalanced.
Does this mean that Olberman's not going to vote Republican?
I'd say that's a fair guess.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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