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"maff" |
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15 Feb 2005 03:31:19 PM |
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OT: Orin Hatch |
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place, but they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our history. More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825, and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant Senate
majority.
Orin Hatch
http://news.google.com/news?tab=gn&q=%22Orin%20Hatch%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&q=%22Orin+Hatch%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Orin+Hatch%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&output=search&cat=gwd/Top
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22Orin+Hatch%22&start=0&scoring=d&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&
Mormons
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/01d66ad68fdf8384
Utah
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/94bba81fee2aea27
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
15 Feb 2005 06:07:28 PM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place, but they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our history. More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825, and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the party the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has put more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts. After all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable if there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
16 Feb 2005 02:56:34 AM |
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DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place, but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825, and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts. After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
But that wasn't the qusetion. The question was whether the Mormon
church and Orin Hatch were willing to sacrifice their lives and monies
for Bushie fascism.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
16 Feb 2005 09:59:25 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108544194.229198.270630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place, but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825, and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts. After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
But that wasn't the qusetion. The question was whether the Mormon
church and Orin Hatch were willing to sacrifice their lives and monies
for Bushie fascism.
??? The "Mormon church", having more members outside the US than inside it,
doesn't much worry about Bush, except for this; we are, as members of the
LDS church, supposed to obey the laws of the country in which we dwell and
we are not, repeat not, pacifists.
Orin Hatch is one of the Senators from Utah. As such, he is a politician. He
is also a Mormon but believe it or not, that doesn't affect his politics
nearly as much as his conservatism does. There are plenty of Mormon
democrats.
There aren't too many Mormons wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaayt the heck and gone left
of center, true.
That said, US members of the LDS church will sacrifice our lives and our
money and whatever else it takes for our country. We have proven that. We
have also proven that if this country ever did turn truly fascist (and it
has not, your hysterical rantings notwithstanding) we would not put up with
it. If you think that this country is fascist, you truly need to do some
history reading.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
16 Feb 2005 10:48:47 AM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in
news:x5KQd.8778$uc.7687@trnddc01:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108544194.229198.270630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place, but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825, and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts. After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
But that wasn't the qusetion. The question was whether the Mormon
church and Orin Hatch were willing to sacrifice their lives and
monies for Bushie fascism.
??? The "Mormon church", having more members outside the US than
inside it, doesn't much worry about Bush, except for this; we are, as
members of the LDS church, supposed to obey the laws of the country in
which we dwell and we are not, repeat not, pacifists.
Orin Hatch is one of the Senators from Utah. As such, he is a
politician. He is also a Mormon but believe it or not, that doesn't
affect his politics nearly as much as his conservatism does. There are
plenty of Mormon democrats.
There aren't too many Mormons wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaayt the heck and gone
left of center, true.
That said, US members of the LDS church will sacrifice our lives and
our money and whatever else it takes for our country. We have proven
that. We have also proven that if this country ever did turn truly
fascist (and it has not, your hysterical rantings notwithstanding) we
would not put up with it. If you think that this country is fascist,
you truly need to do some history reading.
They think history is written by propagandists like Chomsky and Monbiot.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
16 Feb 2005 04:29:33 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95FF7836F5DA7fstone69@205.188.138.161...
<snip to>
They think history is written by propagandists like Chomsky and Monbiot.
Careful there Fred. You shouldn't use swear words like that. ;-)
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
16 Feb 2005 02:42:50 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"DianaC" <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in
news:x5KQd.8778$uc.7687@trnddc01:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108544194.229198.270630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is
loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary
of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place,
but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our
history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825,
and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the
party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has
put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the
grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts.
After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable
if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on
the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
But that wasn't the qusetion. The question was whether the Mormon
church and Orin Hatch were willing to sacrifice their lives and
monies for Bushie fascism.
??? The "Mormon church", having more members outside the US than
inside it, doesn't much worry about Bush, except for this; we are,
as
members of the LDS church, supposed to obey the laws of the country
in
which we dwell and we are not, repeat not, pacifists.
Orin Hatch is one of the Senators from Utah. As such, he is a
politician. He is also a Mormon but believe it or not, that doesn't
affect his politics nearly as much as his conservatism does. There
are
plenty of Mormon democrats.
There aren't too many Mormons wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaayt the heck and
gone
left of center, true.
That said, US members of the LDS church will sacrifice our lives
and
our money and whatever else it takes for our country. We have
proven
that. We have also proven that if this country ever did turn truly
fascist (and it has not, your hysterical rantings notwithstanding)
we
would not put up with it. If you think that this country is
fascist,
you truly need to do some history reading.
They think history is written by propagandists like Chomsky and
Monbiot.
So the World is going to take orders from Confederate, Christian
fundamentalist and neo-con fascists?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
16 Feb 2005 02:40:55 PM |
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DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108544194.229198.270630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is
loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary
of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place,
but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our
history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825,
and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the
party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has
put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the
grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts.
After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable
if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on
the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
But that wasn't the qusetion. The question was whether the Mormon
church and Orin Hatch were willing to sacrifice their lives and
monies
for Bushie fascism.
??? The "Mormon church", having more members outside the US than
inside it,
doesn't much worry about Bush, except for this; we are, as members of
the
LDS church, supposed to obey the laws of the country in which we
dwell and
we are not, repeat not, pacifists.
But if you aid or abet Bushie fascists then the Mormon Church has to
pay the price. There's going to be no free lunch.
Orin Hatch is one of the Senators from Utah. As such, he is a
politician. He
is also a Mormon but believe it or not, that doesn't affect his
politics
nearly as much as his conservatism does. There are plenty of Mormon
democrats.
Who cares whether they are Democrats or Repblicans? If you aid and abet
Bushie fascists then you have to pay the price.
There aren't too many Mormons wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaayt the heck and
gone left
of center, true.
That said, US members of the LDS church will sacrifice our lives and
our
money and whatever else it takes for our country. We have proven
that. We
have also proven that if this country ever did turn truly fascist
(and it
has not, your hysterical rantings notwithstanding) we would not put
up with
it. If you think that this country is fascist, you truly need to do
some
history reading.
If you can't convince half the population then how are you going to
convince the World?
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
16 Feb 2005 04:33:15 PM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108586455.090369.59970@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
<snip to>
??? The "Mormon church", having more members outside the US than
inside it,
doesn't much worry about Bush, except for this; we are, as members of
the
LDS church, supposed to obey the laws of the country in which we
dwell and
we are not, repeat not, pacifists.
But if you aid or abet Bushie fascists then the Mormon Church has to
pay the price. There's going to be no free lunch.
No. But then Republicans already know that there is no such thing as a free
lunch, maff. That's what YOU people are promising everybody; a free lunch.
Orin Hatch is one of the Senators from Utah. As such, he is a
politician. He
is also a Mormon but believe it or not, that doesn't affect his
politics
nearly as much as his conservatism does. There are plenty of Mormon
democrats.
Who cares whether they are Democrats or Repblicans? If you aid and abet
Bushie fascists then you have to pay the price.
And what price would that be, maff? Actually having a free and democratic
Iraq in the middle east messing up the region for the countries around them?
Seeing the incredible courage of the Iraqis who voted at the risk of their
lives, whose actions quite honestly should make you ashamed of yourself?
There aren't too many Mormons wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaayt the heck and
gone left
of center, true.
That said, US members of the LDS church will sacrifice our lives and
our
money and whatever else it takes for our country. We have proven
that. We
have also proven that if this country ever did turn truly fascist
(and it
has not, your hysterical rantings notwithstanding) we would not put
up with
it. If you think that this country is fascist, you truly need to do
some
history reading.
If you can't convince half the population then how are you going to
convince the World?
We convinced the smart half, maff. Actually, we convinced more than half.
which is why Bush is president and Kerry isn't.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
17 Feb 2005 02:23:58 AM |
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DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108586455.090369.59970@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
<snip to>
??? The "Mormon church", having more members outside the US than
inside it,
doesn't much worry about Bush, except for this; we are, as members
of
the
LDS church, supposed to obey the laws of the country in which we
dwell and
we are not, repeat not, pacifists.
But if you aid or abet Bushie fascists then the Mormon Church has
to
pay the price. There's going to be no free lunch.
No. But then Republicans already know that there is no such thing as
a free
lunch, maff. That's what YOU people are promising everybody; a free
lunch.
But that's not what the markets and the World are saying. They think
Bushie fascism is just voodoo economics and politics.
Orin Hatch is one of the Senators from Utah. As such, he is a
politician. He
is also a Mormon but believe it or not, that doesn't affect his
politics
nearly as much as his conservatism does. There are plenty of
Mormon
democrats.
Who cares whether they are Democrats or Repblicans? If you aid and
abet
Bushie fascists then you have to pay the price.
And what price would that be, maff? Actually having a free and
democratic
Iraq in the middle east messing up the region for the countries
around them?
Seeing the incredible courage of the Iraqis who voted at the risk of
their
lives, whose actions quite honestly should make you ashamed of
yourself?
That's for the World to decide and not for Adolf Bush and Benito Blair
to decide.
There aren't too many Mormons wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaayt the heck and
gone left
of center, true.
That said, US members of the LDS church will sacrifice our lives
and
our
money and whatever else it takes for our country. We have proven
that. We
have also proven that if this country ever did turn truly fascist
(and it
has not, your hysterical rantings notwithstanding) we would not
put
up with
it. If you think that this country is fascist, you truly need to
do
some
history reading.
If you can't convince half the population then how are you going to
convince the World?
We convinced the smart half, maff. Actually, we convinced more than
half.
which is why Bush is president and Kerry isn't.
So Jefferson Davis also convinced the half of the Union for a while.
But the outcome was a forgone conclusion. The Confederacy or the Bush
reich are doomed.
Didn't Mormon church also believe that African Americans also were
sub-human at one time?
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
17 Feb 2005 09:22:50 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108628638.144615.222350@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
<snip to>
No. But then Republicans already know that there is no such thing as
a free
lunch, maff. That's what YOU people are promising everybody; a free
lunch.
But that's not what the markets and the World are saying. They think
Bushie fascism is just voodoo economics and politics.
Actually, no. That's not what the markets and the 'World' (why the
capitalization, maff?, is the "World" your deity?) are saying.
Orin Hatch is one of the Senators from Utah. As such, he is a
politician. He
is also a Mormon but believe it or not, that doesn't affect his
politics
nearly as much as his conservatism does. There are plenty of
Mormon
democrats.
Who cares whether they are Democrats or Repblicans? If you aid and
abet
Bushie fascists then you have to pay the price.
And what price would that be, maff? Actually having a free and
democratic
Iraq in the middle east messing up the region for the countries
around them?
Seeing the incredible courage of the Iraqis who voted at the risk of
their
lives, whose actions quite honestly should make you ashamed of
yourself?
That's for the World to decide and not for Adolf Bush and Benito Blair
to decide.
Actually, it's for the Iraqis to decide, and one can tell by the ink stained
fingers and their courage that they did decide.
<snip to>
We convinced the smart half, maff. Actually, we convinced more than
half.
which is why Bush is president and Kerry isn't.
So Jefferson Davis also convinced the half of the Union for a while.
But the outcome was a forgone conclusion. The Confederacy or the Bush
reich are doomed.
Indeed. you have a chance for a different president in 2008.
Didn't Mormon church also believe that African Americans also were
sub-human at one time?
No, actually, and your pathetic attempt to distract this from your OWN
insane leftist idiocy and bigotry isn't going to work on me.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
17 Feb 2005 02:44:29 PM |
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DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108628638.144615.222350@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
<snip to>
No. But then Republicans already know that there is no such thing
as
a free
lunch, maff. That's what YOU people are promising everybody; a
free
lunch.
But that's not what the markets and the World are saying. They
think
Bushie fascism is just voodoo economics and politics.
Actually, no. That's not what the markets and the 'World' (why the
capitalization, maff?, is the "World" your deity?) are saying.
Why is the Dollar going down just like the Confederate Dollars?
Deficit
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/ace8630c12e104b6
Dollar
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/0d691de2efb0ce0c
It was Roosevelt who organized the resistance across the World to
Christian fascism.
Orin Hatch is one of the Senators from Utah. As such, he is a
politician. He
is also a Mormon but believe it or not, that doesn't affect his
politics
nearly as much as his conservatism does. There are plenty of
Mormon
democrats.
Who cares whether they are Democrats or Repblicans? If you aid
and
abet
Bushie fascists then you have to pay the price.
And what price would that be, maff? Actually having a free and
democratic
Iraq in the middle east messing up the region for the countries
around them?
Seeing the incredible courage of the Iraqis who voted at the risk
of
their
lives, whose actions quite honestly should make you ashamed of
yourself?
That's for the World to decide and not for Adolf Bush and Benito
Blair
to decide.
Actually, it's for the Iraqis to decide, and one can tell by the ink
stained
fingers and their courage that they did decide.
If you believe that then you'll believe anything. Iraq has become the
personal property of Halliburton.
<snip to>
We convinced the smart half, maff. Actually, we convinced more
than
half.
which is why Bush is president and Kerry isn't.
So Jefferson Davis also convinced the half of the Union for a
while.
But the outcome was a forgone conclusion. The Confederacy or the
Bush
reich are doomed.
Indeed. you have a chance for a different president in 2008.
LOL. Don't be stupid. Diebold will decide who'll be President.
Didn't Mormon church also believe that African Americans also were
sub-human at one time?
No, actually, and your pathetic attempt to distract this from your
OWN
insane leftist idiocy and bigotry isn't going to work on me.
Did Joseph Smith get it wrong again?
http://www.geocities.com/solmes.geo/african_american_mormons.html
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15 Feb 2005 06:17:27 PM |
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DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place, but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825, and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts. After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
Good point. However, please don't include all Democrats as being in the
same group as this radical editorialist. I agree that times have
changed in the area of cultural minorities civil rights regarding the
Republican party. The next battle is atheist rights...
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16 Feb 2005 08:56:36 AM |
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DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place, but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825, and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts. After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
Me too. For different reasons. Uncle Toms are always appreciated by
Republicans. It allows them to claim to have black friends.
Besides the real target of the modern-day Republican is anyone who
doesn't make 5,000,000 or more a year. Any ally against the poor is
acceptable.
jwk
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16 Feb 2005 10:01:10 AM |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108565796.636842.136950@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place, but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825, and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts. After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
Me too. For different reasons. Uncle Toms are always appreciated by
Republicans. It allows them to claim to have black friends.
Besides the real target of the modern-day Republican is anyone who
doesn't make 5,000,000 or more a year. Any ally against the poor is
acceptable.
Yet another racial slur by a Democrat who sees a black woman slip the leash
and succeed on her own....with different ideas than are politically approved
by the great, white, wealthy, Kennedy led Klan masquerading as the good
guys.
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| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
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16 Feb 2005 11:54:33 AM |
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DianaC wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108565796.636842.136950@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place, but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825, and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts. After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
Me too. For different reasons. Uncle Toms are always appreciated by
Republicans. It allows them to claim to have black friends.
Besides the real target of the modern-day Republican is anyone who
doesn't make 5,000,000 or more a year. Any ally against the poor is
acceptable.
Yet another racial slur by a Democrat who sees a black woman slip the leash
and succeed on her own....with different ideas than are politically approved
by the great, white, wealthy, Kennedy led Klan masquerading as the good
guys.
A question: why do you think there is not a single black Republican
in Congress, and very, very few in any elected office anywhere?
Pretty much every black Republican in a position of authority is in an
appointed position.
Could it be that they don't really represent black majority interests,
but can get appointed to office when they are prepared to represent
the interests of the largely white oligarchy?
Best, Marc
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16 Feb 2005 10:16:10 PM |
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Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote in
news:42138618.3B1AEDA6@athena.louisville.edu:
DianaC wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108565796.636842.136950@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is
loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary
of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place,
but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our
history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825,
and Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the
compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the
party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has
put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the
grateful recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal
handouts. After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and charitable
if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on
the Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
Me too. For different reasons. Uncle Toms are always appreciated
by Republicans. It allows them to claim to have black friends.
Besides the real target of the modern-day Republican is anyone who
doesn't make 5,000,000 or more a year. Any ally against the poor
is acceptable.
Yet another racial slur by a Democrat who sees a black woman slip the
leash and succeed on her own....with different ideas than are
politically approved by the great, white, wealthy, Kennedy led Klan
masquerading as the good guys.
A question: why do you think there is not a single black Republican
in Congress, and very, very few in any elected office anywhere?
Because they have to put up with vilification from their own race?
Pretty much every black Republican in a position of authority is in an
appointed position.
With Democrats calling them every name in the book, from "oreos" to
"Uncle Toms", I'd imagine there aren't very many blacks who are willing
to put up with that in a public campaign.
Could it be that they don't really represent black majority interests,
but can get appointed to office when they are prepared to represent
the interests of the largely white oligarchy?
More likely there just aren't that many black Republicans. Bush got
what, 11% of the black vote?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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17 Feb 2005 12:01:56 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
With Democrats calling them every name in the book,
from "oreos" to "Uncle Toms", I'd imagine there
aren't very many blacks who are willing to put up
with that in a public campaign.
So you're pretending that more than 90% of Florida's
black voters chose Democrats over Bush because
white people would say mean things to them?
You're a frigging retard. You know that, don't you?
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| User: "maff" |
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17 Feb 2005 02:13:39 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Marc Satterwhite <mtsatt01@athena.louisville.edu> wrote in
news:42138618.3B1AEDA6@athena.louisville.edu:
DianaC wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108565796.636842.136950@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is
loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as
Secretary
of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place,
but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our
history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since
1825,
and Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the
compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the
party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has
put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last
four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for
the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the
grateful recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal
handouts. After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and
charitable
if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a
black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic
judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on
the Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
Me too. For different reasons. Uncle Toms are always
appreciated
by Republicans. It allows them to claim to have black friends.
Besides the real target of the modern-day Republican is anyone
who
doesn't make 5,000,000 or more a year. Any ally against the
poor
is acceptable.
Yet another racial slur by a Democrat who sees a black woman slip
the
leash and succeed on her own....with different ideas than are
politically approved by the great, white, wealthy, Kennedy led
Klan
masquerading as the good guys.
A question: why do you think there is not a single black
Republican
in Congress, and very, very few in any elected office anywhere?
Because they have to put up with vilification from their own race?
Pretty much every black Republican in a position of authority is in
an
appointed position.
With Democrats calling them every name in the book, from "oreos" to
"Uncle Toms", I'd imagine there aren't very many blacks who are
willing
to put up with that in a public campaign.
Could it be that they don't really represent black majority
interests,
but can get appointed to office when they are prepared to represent
the interests of the largely white oligarchy?
More likely there just aren't that many black Republicans. Bush got
what, 11% of the black vote?
So how come under Eisenhower, the African American vote was evenly
divided between the parties?
Southern Strategy
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk/msg/e099ef4d46580f6
A US president writes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0,3604,650374,00.html
(Not, unfortunately, the current one)
Leader
Friday February 15, 2002
The Guardian
"The way chosen by the United States was plainly marked by a few clear
precepts, which govern its conduct in world affairs. First: no people
on earth can be held, as a people, to be an enemy, for all humanity
shares the common hunger for peace and fellowship and justice. Second:
no nation's security and well-being can be lastingly achieved in
isolation but only in effective cooperation with fellow-nations. Third:
any nation's right to a form of government and an economic system of
its own choosing is inalienable. Fourth: any nation's attempt to
dictate other nations their form of government is indefensible. And
fifth: a nation's hope of lasting peace cannot be firmly based upon any
race in armaments but rather upon just relations and honest
understanding with all other nations.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
16 Feb 2005 09:46:34 PM |
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Marc Satterwhite wrote:
DianaC wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108565796.636842.136950@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108503079.588530.47510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Senate Confirms Our Country's Errant Path
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Doerner0204.htm
by Carl Doerner
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 4, 2005
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is
loosed
upon
the world."
-- W.B. Yeats
The contentious confirmations of Condoleezza Rice as Secretary
of
State
and Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General are now in place,
but
they
rest uneasily with respect to both contemplation and our
history.
More
senators voted against Rice than any State nominee since 1825,
and
Gonzales was acceptable to only six Democrats and the
compliant
Senate
majority.
Has it occurred to anybody here that the Republican party, the
party
the
Democrats castigate as the party of the bigoted and racist, has
put
more
members of minorities in positions of real power in the last
four
years than
the Democrats have tried to do in the last fifteen?
Seems that the Democrats are 'for the little people' and for the
minorities
only as long as they know their places, which is to be the
grateful
recipients of lordly government and wealthy liberal handouts.
After
all, how
can you pat yourself on the back for being liberal and
charitable if
there
isn't any body waiting to recieve your bounty? After all, real
equality for
minorities would be very inconvenient; it would mean that a
black
woman
might even (gasp) become Secretary of State and an Hispanic
judge
might
actually have something to say.
And what WILL y'all do if Condaleeza Rice runs for President on
the
Republican ticket, and WINS??
The thought makes me chortle...
Me too. For different reasons. Uncle Toms are always
appreciated by
Republicans. It allows them to claim to have black friends.
Besides the real target of the modern-day Republican is anyone
who
doesn't make 5,000,000 or more a year. Any ally against the poor
is
acceptable.
Yet another racial slur by a Democrat who sees a black woman slip
the leash
and succeed on her own....with different ideas than are politically
approved
by the great, white, wealthy, Kennedy led Klan masquerading as the
good
guys.
A question: why do you think there is not a single black Republican
in Congress, and very, very few in any elected office anywhere?
Pretty much every black Republican in a position of authority is in
an
appointed position.
Could it be that they don't really represent black majority
interests,
but can get appointed to office when they are prepared to represent
the interests of the largely white oligarchy?
Best, Marc
Condi is a minister's child and very Christian. She is a wrong thinking
theist and not an "Uncle Tom". Labeling an African American that way is
very disrespectful. What a convenient way to dismiss them.
African Americans historically vote for Democrats. These things change
very slowly.
Refering to the Kennedys as a 'Klan' is too absurd to discuss.
I'm a moderate Democrat and boy am I sick of the radical left and
right..
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
17 Feb 2005 02:14:58 PM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108611994.163446.223830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<snip to>
Condi is a minister's child and very Christian. She is a wrong thinking
theist and not an "Uncle Tom". Labeling an African American that way is
very disrespectful. What a convenient way to dismiss them.
Indeed. And how everyone on the left would cry for heads if a white
Republican called a black Democrat some epithet that calls attention to skin
color...yet it's perfectly fine to call Dr. Rice and any other conservative
black person an "Uncle Tom".
African Americans historically vote for Democrats. These things change
very slowly.
Which I have NEVER figured out, frankly, since it was a Republican who freed
'em, and it was the Democrat south that kept 'em segregated for so long, but
hey...
Refering to the Kennedys as a 'Klan' is too absurd to discuss.
Oh, more absurd, you think, than equating George Bush with Hitler?
I'm a moderate Democrat and boy am I sick of the radical left and
right..
Would that more people like you would actually SAY you were as sick of the
radical left as you are of the radical (or indeed, even slightly right of
center) right.
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
17 Feb 2005 10:44:43 PM |
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DianaC wrote:
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108611994.163446.223830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<snip to>
Condi is a minister's child and very Christian. She is a wrong
thinking
theist and not an "Uncle Tom". Labeling an African American that
way is
very disrespectful. What a convenient way to dismiss them.
Indeed. And how everyone on the left would cry for heads if a white
Republican called a black Democrat some epithet that calls attention
to skin
color...yet it's perfectly fine to call Dr. Rice and any other
conservative
black person an "Uncle Tom".
What politician or newsperson does that?
African Americans historically vote for Democrats. These things
change
very slowly.
Which I have NEVER figured out, frankly, since it was a Republican
who freed
'em, and it was the Democrat south that kept 'em segregated for so
long, but
hey...
The political parties have changed. Isn't that one of the points you
were making when you started this topic??
For instance, I remember when the Republicans actually cared about
balancing the budget and not having a deficit.
Refering to the Kennedys as a 'Klan' is too absurd to discuss.
Oh, more absurd, you think, than equating George Bush with Hitler?
No. So you admit that you are being absurd. That is very humble of you.
I'm a moderate Democrat and boy am I sick of the radical left and
right..
Would that more people like you would actually SAY you were as sick
of the
radical left as you are of the radical (or indeed, even slightly
right of
center) right.
The Republicans are not really about capitalism vs. leftist socialism
anymore. They started changing when Reagan took office. Now they are
more about protecting corporations and promoting religious agendas. If
they cared about protecting capitalistic competition they would do
something about the existing monopolies. If they were for smaller
government and protecting our rights they wouldn't be shoving
christianity down are throats.
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
18 Feb 2005 01:55:08 PM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108701883.615843.270840@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108611994.163446.223830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<snip to>
Condi is a minister's child and very Christian. She is a wrong
thinking
theist and not an "Uncle Tom". Labeling an African American that
way is
very disrespectful. What a convenient way to dismiss them.
Indeed. And how everyone on the left would cry for heads if a white
Republican called a black Democrat some epithet that calls attention
to skin
color...yet it's perfectly fine to call Dr. Rice and any other
conservative
black person an "Uncle Tom".
What politician or newsperson does that?
Raising the goal post here, bub. I didn't say 'politician or newsperson'.
However, there are quite a number of leaders of black liberal organizations
that have called Dr. Rice worse things. "Aunt Jemima' comes to mind, as well
as "Uncle Tom"...do you want me to provide you a list of websites?...and I
haven't seen one Democrat object to such characterizations, not one. Mfune
calls all black conservatives 'puppets'...which of course is a very ironic
thing to say.
African Americans historically vote for Democrats. These things
change
very slowly.
Which I have NEVER figured out, frankly, since it was a Republican
who freed
'em, and it was the Democrat south that kept 'em segregated for so
long, but
hey...
The political parties have changed. Isn't that one of the points you
were making when you started this topic??
er, I didn't start this topic. I seldom if ever begin threads, y'know.
For instance, I remember when the Republicans actually cared about
balancing the budget and not having a deficit.
And I remember when the Democrats really WERE for the little guy; that is,
the working stiff, the guy that actually makes the money and does the work.
All of 'em.
Refering to the Kennedys as a 'Klan' is too absurd to discuss.
Oh, more absurd, you think, than equating George Bush with Hitler?
No. So you admit that you are being absurd. That is very humble of you.
Of course I was being absurd. It was reducto ad absurdium...to make a point.
Joe Kennedy was a gangster and a bootlegger back when it was fashionable to
be both, and perhaps worse-- but there isn't any evidence I know about that
connects him with the Klan.
I'm a moderate Democrat and boy am I sick of the radical left and
right..
Would that more people like you would actually SAY you were as sick
of the
radical left as you are of the radical (or indeed, even slightly
right of
center) right.
The Republicans are not really about capitalism vs. leftist socialism
anymore. They started changing when Reagan took office. Now they are
more about protecting corporations and promoting religious agendas. If
they cared about protecting capitalistic competition they would do
something about the existing monopolies. If they were for smaller
government and protecting our rights they wouldn't be shoving
christianity down are throats.
How about seeing it from the point of view of a theist? I know, you don't
want to, but TRY.
THIS theist doesn't want to see anybody's freedom infringed. I do not want
mandated prayer back in schools. I do not want creationism (which is, let's
face it, a religious opinion) taught in schools, and that's not only because
I'm an evolutionist. I don't want any PARTICULAR set of beliefs about
religion taught in places where the public is held captive. Schools,
especially.
But that's just it. I don't want any particular SET OF BELIEFS ABOUT
RELIGION taught. That includes the set of beliefs that is so damned afraid
of religion that nobody is allowed to express their religious faith in a
public setting. So; no mandated prayer, but if a student gets up and
expresses her thankfulness to deity in a graduation speech, so what? It's
her speech. No mandated religious teaching, but no deliberate exclusion of
art or music just because it IS religious, either. If a student has a
religious holiday, fine, they take it. If they wear something like a scarf
to honor it, fine, they wear a scarf. If they have to kneel on a prayer rug
five times a day and pray toward mecca, fine, give 'em room and ignore 'em.
And if they ask to meet in empty classrooms after school for a religious
school club, and the room is available for OTHER school clubs, then great.
They get to meet.
Or opt out of any of the above.
From where *I* stand, I see my freedom of religion and speech going right
out the window. I am free to speak, alright, but only if I don't sully your
tender little ears with anything religious. Well, that isn't what our
country is about. What it is about is this: *I* get to tell you what I
think, and *YOU* get to tell me I'm all wrong, or an idiot, or anything you
jolly well please. What you do NOT get to do is prevent me from speaking in
the first place. OR praying. OR reading scriptures on campus (which, by the
way, a friend of mine got told not to do by a campus cop the other day).
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
20 Feb 2005 01:29:07 AM |
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DianaC wrote:
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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DianaC wrote:
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<snip to>
Condi is a minister's child and very Christian. She is a wrong
thinking
theist and not an "Uncle Tom". Labeling an African American that
way is
very disrespectful. What a convenient way to dismiss them.
Indeed. And how everyone on the left would cry for heads if a
white
Republican called a black Democrat some epithet that calls
attention
to skin
color...yet it's perfectly fine to call Dr. Rice and any other
conservative
black person an "Uncle Tom".
What politician or newsperson does that?
Raising the goal post here, bub. I didn't say 'politician or
newsperson'.
However, there are quite a number of leaders of black liberal
organizations
that have called Dr. Rice worse things. "Aunt Jemima' comes to mind,
as well
as "Uncle Tom"...do you want me to provide you a list of
websites?...and I
haven't seen one Democrat object to such characterizations, not one.
Mfune
calls all black conservatives 'puppets'...which of course is a very
ironic
thing to say.
True. However, it is a politically sensitive issue and we all know why
no one criticises African-American organizations. When was the last
time the Republicans called Rush Limbough on his garbage?
African Americans historically vote for Democrats. These things
change
very slowly.
Which I have NEVER figured out, frankly, since it was a Republican
who freed
'em, and it was the Democrat south that kept 'em segregated for so
long, but
hey...
The political parties have changed. Isn't that one of the points
you
were making when you started this topic??
er, I didn't start this topic. I seldom if ever begin threads,
y'know.
For instance, I remember when the Republicans actually cared about
balancing the budget and not having a deficit.
And I remember when the Democrats really WERE for the little guy;
that is,
the working stiff, the guy that actually makes the money and does the
work.
All of 'em.
I agree to a point.
Refering to the Kennedys as a 'Klan' is too absurd to discuss.
Oh, more absurd, you think, than equating George Bush with Hitler?
No. So you admit that you are being absurd. That is very humble of
you.
Of course I was being absurd. It was reducto ad absurdium...to make a
point.
Joe Kennedy was a gangster and a bootlegger back when it was
fashionable to
be both, and perhaps worse-- but there isn't any evidence I know
about that
connects him with the Klan.
I'm a moderate Democrat and boy am I sick of the radical left
and
right..
Would that more people like you would actually SAY you were as
sick
of the
radical left as you are of the radical (or indeed, even slightly
right of
center) right.
The Republicans are not really about capitalism vs. leftist
socialism
anymore. They started changing when Reagan took office. Now they
are
more about protecting corporations and promoting religious agendas.
If
they cared about protecting capitalistic competition they would do
something about the existing monopolies. If they were for smaller
government and protecting our rights they wouldn't be shoving
christianity down are throats.
How about seeing it from the point of view of a theist? I know, you
don't
want to, but TRY.
THIS theist doesn't want to see anybody's freedom infringed. I do not
want
mandated prayer back in schools. I do not want creationism (which is,
let's
face it, a religious opinion) taught in schools, and that's not only
because
I'm an evolutionist. I don't want any PARTICULAR set of beliefs about
religion taught in places where the public is held captive. Schools,
especially.
But that's just it. I don't want any particular SET OF BELIEFS ABOUT
RELIGION taught. That includes the set of beliefs that is so damned
afraid
of religion that nobody is allowed to express their religious faith
in a
public setting. So; no mandated prayer, but if a student gets up and
expresses her thankfulness to deity in a graduation speech, so what?
It's
her speech. No mandated religious teaching, but no deliberate
exclusion of
art or music just because it IS religious, either. If a student has a
religious holiday, fine, they take it. If they wear something like a
scarf
to honor it, fine, they wear a scarf. If they have to kneel on a
prayer rug
five times a day and pray toward mecca, fine, give 'em room and
ignore 'em.
And if they ask to meet in empty classrooms after school for a
religious
school club, and the room is available for OTHER school clubs, then
great.
They get to meet.
Or opt out of any of the above.
I'm an Atheist that agrees with you except for maybe the mecca prayers.
There could possibly be a form of prayer that was too time consuming or
loud, etc. So then you have to start thinking about what you will allow
and how that will be seen as fair. I think Atheists do not have an
objection with your opinions.
From where *I* stand, I see my freedom of religion and speech going
right
out the window. I am free to speak, alright, but only if I don't
sully your
tender little ears with anything religious. Well, that isn't what our
country is about. What it is about is this: *I* get to tell you what
I
think, and *YOU* get to tell me I'm all wrong, or an idiot, or
anything you
jolly well please. What you do NOT get to do is prevent me from
speaking in
the first place. OR praying. OR reading scriptures on campus (which,
by the
way, a friend of mine got told not to do by a campus cop the other
day).
I totally agree. What school was that? Don't they have a theology
department?
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: Orin Hatch |
20 Feb 2005 01:16:54 PM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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DianaC wrote:
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108701883.615843.270840@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
DianaC wrote:
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108611994.163446.223830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<snip to>
Condi is a minister's child and very Christian. She is a wrong
thinking
theist and not an "Uncle Tom". Labeling an African American that
way is
very disrespectful. What a convenient way to dismiss them.
Indeed. And how everyone on the left would cry for heads if a
white
Republican called a black Democrat some epithet that calls
attention
to skin
color...yet it's perfectly fine to call Dr. Rice and any other
conservative
black person an "Uncle Tom".
What politician or newsperson does that?
Raising the goal post here, bub. I didn't say 'politician or
newsperson'.
However, there are quite a number of leaders of black liberal
organizations
that have called Dr. Rice worse things. "Aunt Jemima' comes to mind,
as well
as "Uncle Tom"...do you want me to provide you a list of
websites?...and I
haven't seen one Democrat object to such characterizations, not one.
Mfune
calls all black conservatives 'puppets'...which of course is a very
ironic
thing to say.
True. However, it is a politically sensitive issue and we all know why
no one criticises African-American organizations. When was the last
time the Republicans called Rush Limbough on his garbage?
I've heard plenty of Republicans call Rush when he says something dumb. The
problem is, he doesn't say nearly as many dumb things as you wish he did.
But the two things are entirely different. Limbaugh is a radio talk show
host. He is one person, he is NOT a minority in any way, nor has he (and I
listen to him frequently) made a habit of throwing racially biggoted
epithets out because he thinks he is untouchable.
African American organizations, *some* of them, (by no means all...) seem to
glory in their victim status, watch the language of everybody else to be
very certain that THEY are not offended, but do not feel a bit constrained
in their own language. Indeed, 'hypocrisy' is a word that seems to have been
coined just for them.
African Americans historically vote for Democrats. These things
change
very slowly.
Which I have NEVER figured out, frankly, since it was a Republican
who freed
'em, and it was the Democrat south that kept 'em segregated for so
long, but
hey...
The political parties have changed. Isn't that one of the points
you
were making when you started this topic??
er, I didn't start this topic. I seldom if ever begin threads,
y'know.
For instance, I remember when the Republicans actually cared about
balancing the budget and not having a deficit.
And I remember when the Democrats really WERE for the little guy;
that is,
the working stiff, the guy that actually makes the money and does the
work.
All of 'em.
I agree to a point.
Refering to the Kennedys as a 'Klan' is too absurd to discuss.
Oh, more absurd, you think, than equating George Bush with Hitler?
No. So you admit that you are being absurd. That is very humble of
you.
Of course I was being absurd. It was reducto ad absurdium...to make a
point.
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