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OT: 'Out of Gas': They're Not Making More |
'Out of Gas': They're Not Making More
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/books/review/08RAEBURT.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PAUL RAEBURN
Published: February 8, 2004
If all you knew about David Goodstein was the title of his book, you
might imagine him to be one of those insufferably enthusiastic
prophets of doom, the flannel-shirted, off-the-grid types who take too
much pleasure in letting us know that the environment is crumbling all
around us. But Goodstein, a physicist, vice provost of the California
Institute of Technology and an advocate of nuclear power, is no
muddled idealist. And his argument is based on the immutable laws of
physics.
David Goodstein
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11 Feb 2004 11:56:28 AM |
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On 7 Feb 2004 03:39:30 -0800, (maff), Message ID:
<18510aff.0402070339.673436c1@posting.google.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
'Out of Gas': They're Not Making More
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/books/review/08RAEBURT.html?pagewanted=all&position=
By PAUL RAEBURN
Published: February 8, 2004
February 8, 2004
'Out of Gas': They're Not Making More
By PAUL RAEBURN
OUT OF GAS
The End of the Age of Oil.
By David Goodstein.
Illustrated. 140 pp. New York: W. W. Norton & Company. $21.95.
f all you knew about David Goodstein was the title of his book, you
might imagine him to be one of those insufferably enthusiastic prophets
of doom, the flannel-shirted, off-the-grid types who take too much
pleasure in letting us know that the environment is crumbling all around
us. But Goodstein, a physicist, vice provost of the California Institute
of Technology and an advocate of nuclear power, is no muddled idealist.
And his argument is based on the immutable laws of physics.
The age of oil is ending, he says. The supply will soon begin to
decline, precipitating a global crisis. Even if we substitute coal and
natural gas for some of the oil, we will start to run out of fossil
fuels by the end of the century. ''And by the time we have burned up all
that fuel,'' he writes, ''we may well have rendered the planet unfit for
human life. Even if human life does go on, civilization as we know it
will not survive.''
He's talking about 100 years from now, far enough in the future, you
might say, that we needn't worry for generations. Surely some
technological fix will be in place by then, some new source of energy,
some breakthrough. But with a little luck, many readers of these pages
will live until 2030 or 2040, or longer. Their children may live until
2070 or 2080, and their grandchildren will easily survive into the 22nd
century. We're talking about a time in the lives of our grandchildren,
not some warp drive, Star Trek future.
And what about that technological fix? ''There is no single magic bullet
that will solve all our energy problems,'' Goodstein writes. ''Most
likely, progress will lie in incremental advances on many simultaneous
fronts.'' We might finally learn to harness nuclear fusion, the energy
that powers the sun, or to develop better nuclear reactors, or to
improve the efficiency of the power grid. But those advances will
require a ''massive, focused commitment to scientific and technological
research. That is a commitment we have not yet made.'' Drilling in the
Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, and scouring the energy resources of
national lands across the West might help the constituents of Senator
Ted Stevens of Alaska and Vice President ***** Cheney's friends in the
energy industry, but it won't solve the problem.
Goodstein's predictions are based on a sophisticated understanding of
physics and thermodynamics, and on a simple observation about natural
resources. The supply of any natural resource follows a bell curve,
increasing rapidly at first, then more slowly, eventually peaking and
beginning to decline. Oil will, too.
It has already happened in the United States. In 1956, Marion King
Hubbert, a geophysicist with the Shell Oil Company, predicted that oil
production in the United States would peak sometime around 1970. His
superiors at Shell dismissed the prediction, as did most others in the
oil business. But he was right. Hubbert's peak occurred within a few
years of when he said it would, and American oil production has been
declining ever since. There was no crisis, because this country tapped
the world's reserves, and the supply increased along with demand.
Now Goodstein and many others have shown that the same methods, when
applied to global oil production and resources, predict a Hubbert's peak
in world oil supplies within this decade, or, in the best-case
scenarios, sometime in the next. Once that happens, the world supply of
oil will begin to decline gradually, even though large quantities of oil
will remain in the ground. The world demand for oil will continue to
increase. The gap between supply and demand will grow. But this time the
gap will be real; there will be no other source of oil (from the moon,
Neptune or Pluto?) to flow into the system.
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up. That's
no problem, economists say. With the high price, companies will go after
more costly oil, and the market will take care of things.
Maybe not, Goodstein replies. ''In an orderly, rational world, it might
be possible for the gradually increasing gap between supply and demand
for oil to be filled by some substitute. But anyone who remembers the
oil crisis of 1973 knows that we don't live in such a world, especially
when it comes to an irreversible shortage of oil.''
In the best-case scenario, he writes, we can squeak through a bumpy
transition to a natural-gas economy while nuclear power plants are built
to get us past the oil crisis. In the worst case, ''runaway inflation
and worldwide depression leave many billions of people with no
alternative but to burn coal in vast quantities for warmth, cooking and
primitive industry.''
President Bush has pointed to hydrogen as the ultimate answer to our
need for transportation fuels, but Goodstein correctly points out that
hydrogen is not a source of energy. It is a fuel produced by using
energy. We can use coal to produce it, or solar power, or something
else, but it is only a way of converting energy into a form that can be
used in vehicles; it doesn't do anything to ease the transition away
from oil.
''Out of Gas'' -- a book that is more powerful for being brief -- takes
a detour to explain some of the basics of energy budgets, thermodynamics
and entropy, and it does so with the clarity and gentle touch of a
master teacher.
Then Goodstein gets back on message. Even nuclear power is only a
short-term solution. Uranium, too, has a Hubbert's peak, and the current
known reserves can supply the earth's energy needs for only 25 years at
best. There are other nuclear fuels, and solar and wind power might help
at the fringes. But ''the best, most conservative bet for ameliorating
the coming fuel crisis is the gradual improvement of existing
technologies,'' he writes. We can improve the efficiency of lights, tap
solar power with cheap photoelectric cells and turn to nuclear power.
The problem is that we have not made a national or global commitment to
do so. ''Unfortunately, our present national and international
leadership is reluctant even to acknowledge that there is a problem. The
crisis will occur, and it will be painful.''
I hope Goodstein is wrong. I wish we could dismiss him as an addled
environmentalist, too much in love with his windmill to know which way
the wind is blowing. On the strength of the evidence, and his argument,
however, we can't. If he's right, I'm sorry for my kids. And I'm
especially sorry for theirs.
Paul Raeburn's next book, ''Acquainted With the Night,'' a memoir of his
children's experiences with depression and bipolar disorder, will be
published in May.
Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Feb 2004 02:45:38 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
The age of oil is ending, he says. The supply will soon begin to
decline, precipitating a global crisis. Even if we substitute coal and
natural gas for some of the oil, we will start to run out of fossil
fuels by the end of the century. ''And by the time we have burned up all
that fuel,'' he writes, ''we may well have rendered the planet unfit for
human life. Even if human life does go on, civilization as we know it
will not survive.''
That's OK. In a million years, when the soot clears from the atmosphere, a
new intelligence will evolve. They will find our festering fossilized
remains, discover how to use it to harness power, and rise up the food
chain to dominate the earth. Then they will invent gods, who created it
all, who put our remains there for them to flourish on...
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Feb 2004 12:10:55 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:45:38 -0600, (Vic
Sagerquist), Message ID: <94908F388vicman@127.0.0.1> wrote in
alt.atheism;
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
The age of oil is ending, he says. The supply will soon begin to
decline, precipitating a global crisis. Even if we substitute coal and
natural gas for some of the oil, we will start to run out of fossil
fuels by the end of the century. ''And by the time we have burned up all
that fuel,'' he writes, ''we may well have rendered the planet unfit for
human life. Even if human life does go on, civilization as we know it
will not survive.''
That's OK. In a million years, when the soot clears from the atmosphere, a
new intelligence will evolve. They will find our festering fossilized
remains, discover how to use it to harness power, and rise up the food
chain to dominate the earth. Then they will invent gods, who created it
all, who put our remains there for them to flourish on...
Hamster-wheel Man!
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Feb 2004 12:59:36 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national average,
probably because it is so spread out. I have to commute 70 miles a day
since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested schools near my
workplace.
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus, this is
also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in this town.
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago quoted a
statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a motorcycle, you
have a life-expectancy of about five years.
Time to get one of those living will packages...
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "Dr Dave W" |
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15 Feb 2004 05:32:42 PM |
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(Vic Sagerquist) wrote in
news:94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national
average, probably because it is so spread out.
It's that plus the taxes, as of June of 03 we were 6th highest (31 cents
a gallon). That's why we have such an awesome highway system...Oh wait...
I have to commute 70
miles a day since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested
schools near my workplace.
I am doing about 150 a day. Riverside to Marina Del Rey.
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus, this
is also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in this
town.
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago
quoted a statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a
motorcycle, you have a life-expectancy of about five years.
Time to get one of those living will packages...
One of the universal constants with motorcycles is that you and it will
switch places eventually.
--
Dave W a.a.#1967
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Feb 2004 12:10:27 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:32:42 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns94909E24EDE49ou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
address@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist) wrote in
news:94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national
average, probably because it is so spread out.
It's that plus the taxes, as of June of 03 we were 6th highest (31 cents
a gallon). That's why we have such an awesome highway system...Oh wait...
I have to commute 70
miles a day since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested
schools near my workplace.
I am doing about 150 a day. Riverside to Marina Del Rey.
Holy *****! How in the hell can you afford the fuel and the commute
time?
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus, this
is also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in this
town.
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago
quoted a statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a
motorcycle, you have a life-expectancy of about five years.
Time to get one of those living will packages...
One of the universal constants with motorcycles is that you and it will
switch places eventually.
Just as long as you go your separate ways and the motorycle does not
ride you!
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Dr Dave W" |
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16 Feb 2004 06:43:32 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:gq1230hl6kqno7alhn14cb5t5keskf5mfp@
4ax.com:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:32:42 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns94909E24EDE49ou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
address@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist) wrote in
news:94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national
average, probably because it is so spread out.
It's that plus the taxes, as of June of 03 we were 6th highest (31
cents
a gallon). That's why we have such an awesome highway system...Oh
wait...
I have to commute 70
miles a day since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested
schools near my workplace.
I am doing about 150 a day. Riverside to Marina Del Rey.
Holy *****! How in the hell can you afford the fuel and the commute
time?
I get paid time one way and milage 32 cents a mile... That helps. Still,
it is a 4X4 F150 so I get 17ish MPG. Ain't cheap but having a truck is
part of the job. I am a telecommmunications installer and I work all over
SoCal. Unfortunately I am usually at least 50 miles away from most places
I work.
It is either the commute or not owning my own house... It is really
expensive here. My home is about 1800 SqFt, medium sized lot, it is worth
something like 260-280K. The same home in orange county is closer to
450K...
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus,
this
is also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in this
town.
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago
quoted a statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a
motorcycle, you have a life-expectancy of about five years.
Time to get one of those living will packages...
One of the universal constants with motorcycles is that you and it will
switch places eventually.
Just as long as you go your separate ways and the motorycle does not
ride you!
A boy can dream. I love motorcycles. I rode dirt bikes in my teens, had a
crappy road bike for a while. If I were all alone on the road, no sweat.
It is the motherfuckers that don't, can't or won't see the motorcycles
that worry me.
--
Dave W a.a.#1967
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| User: "stoney" |
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18 Feb 2004 11:10:08 AM |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:43:32 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns9491AA26B9BDEou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:gq1230hl6kqno7alhn14cb5t5keskf5mfp@
4ax.com:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:32:42 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns94909E24EDE49ou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
address@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist) wrote in
news:94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national
average, probably because it is so spread out.
It's that plus the taxes, as of June of 03 we were 6th highest (31
cents
a gallon). That's why we have such an awesome highway system...Oh
wait...
I have to commute 70
miles a day since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested
schools near my workplace.
I am doing about 150 a day. Riverside to Marina Del Rey.
Holy *****! How in the hell can you afford the fuel and the commute
time?
I get paid time one way and milage 32 cents a mile... That helps. Still,
it is a 4X4 F150 so I get 17ish MPG. Ain't cheap but having a truck is
part of the job. I am a telecommmunications installer and I work all over
SoCal. Unfortunately I am usually at least 50 miles away from most places
I work.
It is either the commute or not owning my own house... It is really
expensive here. My home is about 1800 SqFt, medium sized lot, it is worth
something like 260-280K. The same home in orange county is closer to
450K...
(shudder) "medium sized" lot means you might be able to swing a cat in
the backyard without hitting the fences.... :)
I'm on over 3 acres, with a 1600 sq ft house with attached two car
garage and a 40 x 45 sq foot lower garage where one half of it has a
second story. It's all worth about 250k.
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus,
this
is also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in this
town.
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago
quoted a statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a
motorcycle, you have a life-expectancy of about five years.
Time to get one of those living will packages...
One of the universal constants with motorcycles is that you and it will
switch places eventually.
Just as long as you go your separate ways and the motorycle does not
ride you!
A boy can dream. I love motorcycles. I rode dirt bikes in my teens, had a
crappy road bike for a while. If I were all alone on the road, no sweat.
It is the motherfuckers that don't, can't or won't see the motorcycles
that worry me.
I can't ride anymore. Vertigo and motorcycles don't mix.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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18 Feb 2004 01:32:45 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
I can't ride anymore. Vertigo and motorcycles don't mix.
Right you are. I had that for a week. It went away. But while I had it I
got tired of sleeping all the time, so I *crawled* down the hall to pick
out a few videos to watch in bed...
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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18 Feb 2004 01:45:47 PM |
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In article <94937B793vicman@127.0.0.1>, Vic Sagerquist says...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
I can't ride anymore. Vertigo and motorcycles don't mix.
Right you are. I had that for a week. It went away. But while I had it I
got tired of sleeping all the time, so I *crawled* down the hall to pick
out a few videos to watch in bed...
I had it for a year after my daughter was born - No idea why (even after
numerous tests and a CAT scan on my noggin). It was most annoying, but I did
kind of get used to it after a while. But I certainly don't miss it.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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18 Feb 2004 01:57:10 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Robibnikoff:
In article <94937B793vicman@127.0.0.1>, Vic Sagerquist says...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
I can't ride anymore. Vertigo and motorcycles don't mix.
Right you are. I had that for a week. It went away. But while I had
it I got tired of sleeping all the time, so I *crawled* down the hall
to pick out a few videos to watch in bed...
I had it for a year after my daughter was born - No idea why (even after
numerous tests and a CAT scan on my noggin). It was most annoying, but
I did kind of get used to it after a while. But I certainly don't miss
it.
For a whole year? Yikes!
I almost threw up on the doctor. I got so tired of it after a week that I
just took charge and started going about my normal routine. Mowed the
lawn, washed the car, etc. Three days later I was back at work, and a week
after that it faded away. Weird...
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 Feb 2004 02:29:46 PM |
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In article <94937A4E4vicman@127.0.0.1>, Vic Sagerquist says...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Robibnikoff:
In article <94937B793vicman@127.0.0.1>, Vic Sagerquist says...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
I can't ride anymore. Vertigo and motorcycles don't mix.
Right you are. I had that for a week. It went away. But while I had
it I got tired of sleeping all the time, so I *crawled* down the hall
to pick out a few videos to watch in bed...
I had it for a year after my daughter was born - No idea why (even after
numerous tests and a CAT scan on my noggin). It was most annoying, but
I did kind of get used to it after a while. But I certainly don't miss
it.
For a whole year? Yikes!
It pretty much felt like I was on a boat all the time - like the ground was
going up and down. Only once was it bad enough where I thought I wasn't going
to be able to make it down the hallway at work without falling over. Believe it
or not, a little bit of alcohol would actually "smooth things out". Go figure
;)
I almost threw up on the doctor.
Oh dear! Luckily I wasn't nausiated by it - Don't get sea sick either.
I got so tired of it after a week that I
just took charge and started going about my normal routine. Mowed the
lawn, washed the car, etc. Three days later I was back at work, and a week
after that it faded away. Weird...
Good for you. One day mine just up and vanished. Every once in a blue moon I
get a twinge of it, but only for a couple of seconds. Weird ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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19 Feb 2004 02:01:29 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:29:46 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>,
Message ID: <_WPYb.3717$_4.288@www.newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
In article <94937A4E4vicman@127.0.0.1>, Vic Sagerquist says...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Robibnikoff:
In article <94937B793vicman@127.0.0.1>, Vic Sagerquist says...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
I can't ride anymore. Vertigo and motorcycles don't mix.
Right you are. I had that for a week. It went away. But while I had
it I got tired of sleeping all the time, so I *crawled* down the hall
to pick out a few videos to watch in bed...
I had it for a year after my daughter was born - No idea why (even after
numerous tests and a CAT scan on my noggin). It was most annoying, but
I did kind of get used to it after a while. But I certainly don't miss
it.
For a whole year? Yikes!
It pretty much felt like I was on a boat all the time - like the ground was
going up and down. Only once was it bad enough where I thought I wasn't going
to be able to make it down the hallway at work without falling over. Believe it
or not, a little bit of alcohol would actually "smooth things out". Go figure
;)
Lucky you. For years I couldn't lay flat else it was terminal free
fall.
Then again I couldn't see enough to read (solid blur) and I was still
working on electronics equipment for the USAF. After we switched to
F-16's I had to take a test to upgrade certification skill level.
Fortunately, there was a lot of white space on the test and that enabled
me to puzzle out the text. I passed.
I almost threw up on the doctor.
Oh dear! Luckily I wasn't nausiated by it - Don't get sea sick either.
I got so tired of it after a week that I
just took charge and started going about my normal routine. Mowed the
lawn, washed the car, etc. Three days later I was back at work, and a week
after that it faded away. Weird...
Good for you. One day mine just up and vanished. Every once in a blue moon I
get a twinge of it, but only for a couple of seconds. Weird ;)
I'm on a bowling league. I'm not there all the time. If I'm having
trouble walking there's no point in going in.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in
news:_WPYb.3717$_4.288@www.newsranger.com:
In article <94937A4E4vicman@127.0.0.1>, Vic Sagerquist says...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Robibnikoff:
In article <94937B793vicman@127.0.0.1>, Vic Sagerquist says...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
I can't ride anymore. Vertigo and motorcycles don't mix.
Right you are. I had that for a week. It went away. But while I
had it I got tired of sleeping all the time, so I *crawled* down the
hall to pick out a few videos to watch in bed...
I had it for a year after my daughter was born - No idea why (even
after numerous tests and a CAT scan on my noggin). It was most
annoying, but I did kind of get used to it after a while. But I
certainly don't miss it.
For a whole year? Yikes!
It pretty much felt like I was on a boat all the time - like the
ground was going up and down. Only once was it bad enough where I
thought I wasn't going to be able to make it down the hallway at work
without falling over. Believe it or not, a little bit of alcohol
would actually "smooth things out". Go figure ;)
I almost threw up on the doctor.
Oh dear! Luckily I wasn't nausiated by it - Don't get sea sick
either.
I got so tired of it after a week that I
just took charge and started going about my normal routine. Mowed the
lawn, washed the car, etc. Three days later I was back at work, and a
week after that it faded away. Weird...
Good for you. One day mine just up and vanished. Every once in a blue
moon I get a twinge of it, but only for a couple of seconds. Weird ;)
Same thing happened to my dad about ten years back. He was a telephone
lineman and vertigo makes climbing poles interesting. It just cleared up
in a couple weeks, just as fast as it appeared.
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Dave W a.a.#1967
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19 Feb 2004 01:54:54 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:32:45 -0600, (Vic
Sagerquist), Message ID: <94937B793vicman@127.0.0.1> wrote in
alt.atheism;
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
I can't ride anymore. Vertigo and motorcycles don't mix.
Right you are. I had that for a week. It went away. But while I had it I
got tired of sleeping all the time, so I *crawled* down the hall to pick
out a few videos to watch in bed...
I've been dealing with it for 20 years. 20 years this November. For
quite awhile afterwards I did ride. Fortunately, I never had an attack
while leaned over on a curve-other times, yes. After a time, I stopped
being stubborn and pushing my luck.
I might have 20 more years to deal with it. Maybe. Doubtful, but
maybe.
Hell, I'd climb into the cockpits of F-4's and F-16's and wait five
minutes for the jet to quit spinning before I could start work.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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18 Feb 2004 07:07:07 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:is6730laokrgt5j6t0f6dk1bj0ktlq25sr@4ax.com:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:43:32 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns9491AA26B9BDEou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:gq1230hl6kqno7alhn14cb5t5keskf5mfp@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:32:42 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns94909E24EDE49ou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
address@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist) wrote in
news:94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national
average, probably because it is so spread out.
It's that plus the taxes, as of June of 03 we were 6th highest (31
cents
a gallon). That's why we have such an awesome highway system...Oh
wait...
I have to commute 70
miles a day since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested
schools near my workplace.
I am doing about 150 a day. Riverside to Marina Del Rey.
Holy *****! How in the hell can you afford the fuel and the commute
time?
I get paid time one way and milage 32 cents a mile... That helps.
Still, it is a 4X4 F150 so I get 17ish MPG. Ain't cheap but having a
truck is part of the job. I am a telecommmunications installer and I
work all over SoCal. Unfortunately I am usually at least 50 miles away
from most places I work.
It is either the commute or not owning my own house... It is really
expensive here. My home is about 1800 SqFt, medium sized lot, it is
worth something like 260-280K. The same home in orange county is
closer to 450K...
(shudder) "medium sized" lot means you might be able to swing a cat
in the backyard without hitting the fences.... :)
Thats about right. The neighbouring homes are about 15 feet to either
side, my back fence is about 35 feet to the rear, maybe 40 feet from the
front door to the curb, 3 car garage(somehow a bigger garage just means I
keep more crap). Although, I live across the street from an elementary
school. Granted it pays off when it is time to vote... But it worries me
to see so many stupid people(drivers) breeding.
I'm on over 3 acres, with a 1600 sq ft house with attached two car
garage and a 40 x 45 sq foot lower garage where one half of it has a
second story. It's all worth about 250k.
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus,
this
is also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in
this town.
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago
quoted a statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a
motorcycle, you have a life-expectancy of about five years.
Time to get one of those living will packages...
One of the universal constants with motorcycles is that you and it
will switch places eventually.
Just as long as you go your separate ways and the motorycle does not
ride you!
A boy can dream. I love motorcycles. I rode dirt bikes in my teens,
had a crappy road bike for a while. If I were all alone on the road,
no sweat. It is the motherfuckers that don't, can't or won't see the
motorcycles that worry me.
I can't ride anymore. Vertigo and motorcycles don't mix.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
--
Dave W a.a.#1967
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19 Feb 2004 02:09:55 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:07:07 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns9493AE2705083ou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:is6730laokrgt5j6t0f6dk1bj0ktlq25sr@4ax.com:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:43:32 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns9491AA26B9BDEou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:gq1230hl6kqno7alhn14cb5t5keskf5mfp@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:32:42 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns94909E24EDE49ou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
address@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist) wrote in
news:94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national
average, probably because it is so spread out.
It's that plus the taxes, as of June of 03 we were 6th highest (31
cents
a gallon). That's why we have such an awesome highway system...Oh
wait...
I have to commute 70
miles a day since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested
schools near my workplace.
I am doing about 150 a day. Riverside to Marina Del Rey.
Holy *****! How in the hell can you afford the fuel and the commute
time?
I get paid time one way and milage 32 cents a mile... That helps.
Still, it is a 4X4 F150 so I get 17ish MPG. Ain't cheap but having a
truck is part of the job. I am a telecommmunications installer and I
work all over SoCal. Unfortunately I am usually at least 50 miles away
from most places I work.
It is either the commute or not owning my own house... It is really
expensive here. My home is about 1800 SqFt, medium sized lot, it is
worth something like 260-280K. The same home in orange county is
closer to 450K...
(shudder) "medium sized" lot means you might be able to swing a cat
in the backyard without hitting the fences.... :)
Thats about right. The neighbouring homes are about 15 feet to either
side, my back fence is about 35 feet to the rear, maybe 40 feet from the
front door to the curb,
(shudder) "Sardine Cans(tm)."
3 car garage(somehow a bigger garage just means I
keep more crap). Although, I live across the street from an elementary
school. Granted it pays off when it is time to vote... But it worries me
to see so many stupid people(drivers) breeding.
But they keep the superstition industry alive so, I guess, they do serve
a 'purpose.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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18 Feb 2004 01:30:12 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Dr Dave W:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:gq1230hl6kqno7alhn14cb5t5keskf5mfp@
4ax.com:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:32:42 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns94909E24EDE49ou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
address@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist) wrote in
news:94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national
average, probably because it is so spread out.
It's that plus the taxes, as of June of 03 we were 6th highest (31
cents
a gallon). That's why we have such an awesome highway system...Oh
wait...
I have to commute 70
miles a day since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested
schools near my workplace.
I am doing about 150 a day. Riverside to Marina Del Rey.
Holy *****! How in the hell can you afford the fuel and the commute
time?
I get paid time one way and milage 32 cents a mile... That helps. Still,
it is a 4X4 F150 so I get 17ish MPG. Ain't cheap but having a truck is
part of the job. I am a telecommmunications installer and I work all over
SoCal. Unfortunately I am usually at least 50 miles away from most places
I work.
I have one of those too. I retired it 3 years ago after putting 75,000
miles on it. My wife has it up to 95,000 now. Still runs like new.
American V-8s are great.
It is either the commute or not owning my own house... It is really
expensive here. My home is about 1800 SqFt, medium sized lot, it is worth
something like 260-280K. The same home in orange county is closer to
450K...
That's how it was for me 15 years ago. I'm in Valencia, which was cheap
back then. Now you can't find much of anything new for under half a mil.
The good news is, all that swank is having an effect on my property value.
Cha-ching.
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus,
this
is also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in this
town.
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago
quoted a statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a
motorcycle, you have a life-expectancy of about five years.
Time to get one of those living will packages...
One of the universal constants with motorcycles is that you and it will
switch places eventually.
Just as long as you go your separate ways and the motorycle does not
ride you!
A boy can dream. I love motorcycles. I rode dirt bikes in my teens, had a
crappy road bike for a while. If I were all alone on the road, no sweat.
It is the motherfuckers that don't, can't or won't see the motorcycles
that worry me.
Learning to anticipate their moves helps. But all it takes is to miss
one...
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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18 Feb 2004 06:57:44 PM |
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(Vic Sagerquist) wrote in
news:94937DCCBvicman@127.0.0.1:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Dr Dave W:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:gq1230hl6kqno7alhn14cb5t5keskf5mfp@ 4ax.com:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:32:42 GMT, Dr Dave W
<askme@formyaddy.comINVALID>, Message ID:
<Xns94909E24EDE49ou812@199.45.49.11> wrote in alt.atheism;
(Vic Sagerquist) wrote in
news:94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national
average, probably because it is so spread out.
It's that plus the taxes, as of June of 03 we were 6th highest (31
cents
a gallon). That's why we have such an awesome highway system...Oh
wait...
I have to commute 70
miles a day since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested
schools near my workplace.
I am doing about 150 a day. Riverside to Marina Del Rey.
Holy *****! How in the hell can you afford the fuel and the commute
time?
I get paid time one way and milage 32 cents a mile... That helps.
Still, it is a 4X4 F150 so I get 17ish MPG. Ain't cheap but having a
truck is part of the job. I am a telecommmunications installer and I
work all over SoCal. Unfortunately I am usually at least 50 miles away
from most places I work.
I have one of those too. I retired it 3 years ago after putting
75,000 miles on it. My wife has it up to 95,000 now. Still runs like
new. American V-8s are great.
I just traded in my 98 f150 NASCAR with 113,000 miles. It still ran like
a top, never had a problem. When the 04s came out I just had to have one
(bright red FX4), paid too much because I couldn't wait (I heard on the
radio today about the factory rebates). No regrets whatsoever though.
It is either the commute or not owning my own house... It is really
expensive here. My home is about 1800 SqFt, medium sized lot, it is
worth something like 260-280K. The same home in orange county is
closer to 450K...
That's how it was for me 15 years ago. I'm in Valencia, which was
cheap back then. Now you can't find much of anything new for under
half a mil. The good news is, all that swank is having an effect on
my property value. Cha-ching.
My property value has more than doubled in the last 5 years...
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus,
this
is also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in
this town.
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago
quoted a statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a
motorcycle, you have a life-expectancy of about five years.
Time to get one of those living will packages...
One of the universal constants with motorcycles is that you and it
will switch places eventually.
Just as long as you go your separate ways and the motorycle does not
ride you!
A boy can dream. I love motorcycles. I rode dirt bikes in my teens,
had a crappy road bike for a while. If I were all alone on the road,
no sweat. It is the motherfuckers that don't, can't or won't see the
motorcycles that worry me.
Learning to anticipate their moves helps. But all it takes is to miss
one...
Yup, a buddy several years back was exiting the freeway, stopping at the
intersection at the end of the offramp when a car caught his rear wheel
from behind and swept the bike out from under him. Luckily he wasn't
going very fast and just ended up with some minor road rash on his
foreams and a shredded jacket.
--
Dave W a.a.#1967
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16 Feb 2004 12:08:59 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:59:36 -0600, (Vic
Sagerquist), Message ID: <94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1> wrote in
alt.atheism;
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national average,
probably because it is so spread out. I have to commute 70 miles a day
since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested schools near my
workplace.
Ack, what's that each way, 2-1/2 hours?
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus, this is
also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in this town.
It can be. I do not reccomend 'lane splitting.'
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago quoted a
statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a motorcycle, you
have a life-expectancy of about five years.
However, with the increase in traffic density there's probably a
corresponding decrease in life-expectancy.
Time to get one of those living will packages...
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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16 Feb 2004 12:41:08 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:59:36 -0600, (Vic
Sagerquist), Message ID: <94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1> wrote in
alt.atheism;
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national average,
probably because it is so spread out. I have to commute 70 miles a day
since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested schools near my
workplace.
Ack, what's that each way, 2-1/2 hours?
It's a 70 mile round trip, 35 each way. It has taken me 2.5 hours, but
that's rare. In a car, driving home in the afternoon takes 1.25 hours
average. On the bike, 45 minutes regardless of traffic. :)
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus, this
is also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in this
town.
It can be. I do not reccomend 'lane splitting.'
It's not as dangerous as car drivers imagine it to be. As long as you
don't try to do 65 mph it's really quite safe. Applying the 12-second
rule, recognizing hazardous situations where a car driver is tempted to
make a leap of faith, and never exceeding their speed by more than 25 mph,
it's really kinda fun. I split through a ten-mile backup last week.
Twenty minutes for me was probably two hours in a car. The further you get
into the backup, the hotter the tempers are and the more likely you are to
encounter one of those guys who edges over to block your way. I've learned
to keep a civil head and feel sorry for them. Then catch them off guard
when the traffic starts moving again. Heh...
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago quoted
a statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a motorcycle,
you have a life-expectancy of about five years.
However, with the increase in traffic density there's probably a
corresponding decrease in life-expectancy.
Yeah, but what a way to go, eh? Heh - the last thing I want is to be a
frail old fart, incapable of thinking for myself, being fawned over by
religious babblers day in and day out...
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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18 Feb 2004 11:17:24 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:41:08 -0600, (Vic
Sagerquist), Message ID: <9491662DCvicman@127.0.0.1> wrote in
alt.atheism;
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:59:36 -0600, (Vic
Sagerquist), Message ID: <94906C17Cvicman@127.0.0.1> wrote in
alt.atheism;
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
When the supply falls and the demand rises, the price will go up.
$1.93 here for regular this morning. LA is above the national average,
probably because it is so spread out. I have to commute 70 miles a day
since I don't want my kids attending the gang-infested schools near my
workplace.
Ack, what's that each way, 2-1/2 hours?
It's a 70 mile round trip, 35 each way. It has taken me 2.5 hours, but
that's rare. In a car, driving home in the afternoon takes 1.25 hours
average.
ACK!!!!! Way too long.
On the bike, 45 minutes regardless of traffic. :)
Hehehe...as it should be.
As a short-term fix I bought a motorcycle last year. As a bonus, this
is also a short-term fix for the horrendous traffic problems in this
town.
It can be. I do not reccomend 'lane splitting.'
It's not as dangerous as car drivers imagine it to be. As long as you
don't try to do 65 mph it's really quite safe.
I did the splitting in Cal., once and it wasn't at high speed. I did
not find it to be fun.
(now using a parking lot and a sidewalk to get around a jam, and another
time the shoulder, was) Heheheheh....oh there were a lot of *****
drivers.
Applying the 12-second
rule, recognizing hazardous situations where a car driver is tempted to
make a leap of faith, and never exceeding their speed by more than 25 mph,
it's really kinda fun. I split through a ten-mile backup last week.
Twenty minutes for me was probably two hours in a car. The further you get
into the backup, the hotter the tempers are and the more likely you are to
encounter one of those guys who edges over to block your way. I've learned
to keep a civil head and feel sorry for them. Then catch them off guard
when the traffic starts moving again. Heh...
hehehe.
On the down-side, a traffic school instructor a decade or so ago quoted
a statistic that if your main mode of transportation is a motorcycle,
you have a life-expectancy of about five years.
However, with the increase in traffic density there's probably a
corresponding decrease in life-expectancy.
Yeah, but what a way to go, eh? Heh - the last thing I want is to be a
frail old fart, incapable of thinking for myself, being fawned over by
religious babblers day in and day out...
Depends if you go quick or lingering, writhing in agony. However, the
horror story you indicate won't happen to me. When that time comes I'll
make my exit with dignity.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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18 Feb 2004 01:07:52 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
I did the splitting in Cal., once and it wasn't at high speed. I did
not find it to be fun.
It was scary for the first week for me. The I realized I was wearing a big
*****-eating grin. It still feels like Star Wars sometimes. This morning I
had the car pool lane to myself. 75 mph with stand-still traffic on one
side and a concrete barrier on the other. Ya-hoo. Mine was the only bike
in the structure this morning. It's raining now. Oops. Not so ya-hoo.
(now using a parking lot and a sidewalk to get around a jam, and another
time the shoulder, was) Heheheheh....oh there were a lot of *****
drivers.
There always are. I say, let them get their own bikes, or let them shut
up. I took a shortcut down the right shoulder once, then realized if one
of the cars wanted to turn right on a side street, I'd end up sitting next
to him. Between them is safer.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| Title: Re: OT: 'Out of Gas': They're Not Making More |
19 Feb 2004 02:14:44 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:07:52 -0600, (Vic
Sagerquist), Message ID: <949371355vicman@127.0.0.1> wrote in
alt.atheism;
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach stoney:
I did the splitting in Cal., once and it wasn't at high speed. I did
not find it to be fun.
It was scary for the first week for me. The I realized I was wearing a big
*****-eating grin. It still feels like Star Wars sometimes. This morning I
had the car pool lane to myself. 75 mph with stand-still traffic on one
side and a concrete barrier on the other. Ya-hoo. Mine was the only bike
in the structure this morning. It's raining now. Oops. Not so ya-hoo.
Rain can be 'not so ya-hoo.' :\
(now using a parking lot and a sidewalk to get around a jam, and another
time the shoulder, was) Heheheheh....oh there were a lot of *****
drivers.
There always are.
Their personal problem.
I say, let them get their own bikes, or let them shut
up. I took a shortcut down the right shoulder once, then realized if one
of the cars wanted to turn right on a side street, I'd end up sitting next
to him. Between them is safer.
In the shoulder situation it was coming out of NAS Oceana in Virginia
after an air show. It was a two-lane road with no side streets and
bumper to bumper traffic.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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