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"Therion Ware" |
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28 Sep 2006 03:02:25 PM |
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OT: Pardoned 'Tokyo Rose' dies at 90 |
It says here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5388658.stm
A US woman convicted of broadcasting Japanese propaganda to undermine
US troop morale during World War II has died in Chicago at the age of
90.
Iva Toguri D'Aquino became known as Tokyo Rose, a radio announcer who
told US troops that battles were being lost and their wives were
cheating on them.
An American citizen, she was stranded in Japan when war broke out in
1941.
She was convicted on suspect evidence of treason in 1949, in the early
stages of the Cold War, but pardoned in 1977.
Iva Toguri was born in Los Angeles in 1916, the daughter of Japanese
immigrant parents.
She attended college in the US but was left stranded in Japan, where
she was visiting an ill relative, after the Japanese attack on Pearl
Harbour led to war in the Pacific.
Unable to speak Japanese, and with anti-American sentiments running
high in the country at the time, she answered an advert for a job as
an English-language typist with Radio Tokyo.
She eventually moved onto work on a propaganda programme called Zero
Hour.
Accused
What happened next remains slightly unclear.
She returned to the US after the war, by then married to Felipe
D'Aquino, a Portuguese employee at the radio station.
But in the febrile atmosphere of the post-war years, she quickly fell
under suspicion and was eventually accused of being one of a group of
announcers dubbed Tokyo Rose by US troops.
The women frequently broadcast demoralising messaged to troops, luring
them with familiar music before reporting grim but fictional tales of
defeat in battle and the infidelity of their wives left back at home.
Toguri D'Aquino refused to renounce her US citizenship, and as a
result was tried for treason.
She was convicted on questionable evidence in 1949 and served six
years in prison, one of only a handful of Americans ever found guilty
of the offence.
Released after serving six years in prison, Toguri D'Aquino set up
home and tried to clear her name.
In 1977, in the face of mounting evidence that her 1949 trial was
deeply flawed, President Gerald Ford granted her a pardon.
She died on Tuesday in Chicago, where she had lived and worked since
her release.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/5388658.stm
Published: 2006/09/28 12:02:02 GMT
© BBC MMVI
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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| User: "Ghod" |
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28 Sep 2006 03:21:57 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com...
: It says here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5388658.stm
:
:
: A US woman convicted of broadcasting Japanese propaganda to
undermine
: US troop morale during World War II has died in Chicago at the age
of
: 90.
:
: Iva Toguri D'Aquino became known as Tokyo Rose, a radio announcer
who
: told US troops that battles were being lost and their wives were
: cheating on them.
:
: An American citizen, she was stranded in Japan when war broke out in
: 1941.
:
: She was convicted on suspect evidence of treason in 1949, in the
early
: stages of the Cold War, but pardoned in 1977.
:
: Iva Toguri was born in Los Angeles in 1916, the daughter of Japanese
: immigrant parents.
:
: She attended college in the US but was left stranded in Japan, where
: she was visiting an ill relative, after the Japanese attack on Pearl
: Harbour led to war in the Pacific.
:
: Unable to speak Japanese, and with anti-American sentiments running
: high in the country at the time, she answered an advert for a job as
: an English-language typist with Radio Tokyo.
:
: She eventually moved onto work on a propaganda programme called Zero
: Hour.
:
: Accused
:
: What happened next remains slightly unclear.
:
: She returned to the US after the war, by then married to Felipe
: D'Aquino, a Portuguese employee at the radio station.
:
:
: But in the febrile atmosphere of the post-war years, she quickly
fell
: under suspicion and was eventually accused of being one of a group
of
: announcers dubbed Tokyo Rose by US troops.
: The women frequently broadcast demoralising messaged to troops,
luring
: them with familiar music before reporting grim but fictional tales
of
: defeat in battle and the infidelity of their wives left back at
home.
:
: Toguri D'Aquino refused to renounce her US citizenship, and as a
: result was tried for treason.
:
: She was convicted on questionable evidence in 1949 and served six
: years in prison, one of only a handful of Americans ever found
guilty
: of the offence.
:
: Released after serving six years in prison, Toguri D'Aquino set up
: home and tried to clear her name.
:
: In 1977, in the face of mounting evidence that her 1949 trial was
: deeply flawed, President Gerald Ford granted her a pardon.
:
: She died on Tuesday in Chicago, where she had lived and worked since
: her release.
:
:
: Story from BBC NEWS:
: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/5388658.stm
:
: Published: 2006/09/28 12:02:02 GMT
:
: © BBC MMVI
A friend of mine was aquainted with her...he said she was a really
nice lady.
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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29 Sep 2006 12:24:49 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com...
She was convicted on suspect evidence of treason in 1949, in the early
stages of the Cold War, but pardoned in 1977.
She was convicted on the basis of 'evidence' that was either never actually
presented (i.e. the jury never heard the 'recordings' that were stacked in
the court), or was never actually proved to be connected with her (i.e. the
documents that were placed before the jury were merely typed-up radio
scripts that could have been anybody's), as well as on the basis of an
obviously biased judge's insistent recommendation (the judge had a son
killed by the Japanese in WW2 and wasn't fit to run such a trial as hers;
even the jury's foreman apologised afterwards for their 'guilty' verdict and
said that the jury actually thought her innocent). She was then sentenced to
*10 years*. Her husband, entirely innocent, was spat on and abused every day
as he entered and left the court. Eventually he left the USA for good, and I
don't fucking blame him.
What happened next remains slightly unclear.
Not really. It's simply that the BBC (along with every other compliant
mainstream 'news' organisation that licks the arse of Power) always finds a
way of *not quite saying* any awful truth about the USA. If you want to know
*precisely how non-existent* is the supposed American 'commitment' to
freedom, justice, democracy, peace, free trade, fair trials, due process,
and international law, *don't expect to find out about it from the BBC*.
M.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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29 Sep 2006 12:55:49 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:24:49 GMT, "Mark D J." <Mark D J.@hoyme.com>
wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com...
She was convicted on suspect evidence of treason in 1949, in the early
stages of the Cold War, but pardoned in 1977.
She was convicted on the basis of 'evidence' that was either never actually
presented (i.e. the jury never heard the 'recordings' that were stacked in
the court), or was never actually proved to be connected with her (i.e. the
documents that were placed before the jury were merely typed-up radio
scripts that could have been anybody's), as well as on the basis of an
obviously biased judge's insistent recommendation (the judge had a son
killed by the Japanese in WW2 and wasn't fit to run such a trial as hers;
even the jury's foreman apologised afterwards for their 'guilty' verdict and
said that the jury actually thought her innocent). She was then sentenced to
*10 years*. Her husband, entirely innocent, was spat on and abused every day
as he entered and left the court. Eventually he left the USA for good, and I
don't fucking blame him.
How the heck could it have been treason?
She was a Japanese, on Japan's side during the war. Living in Japan
and broadcasting from Japan.
Although the British did much the same for Lord Haw-Haw. He was an
Irish citizen. They made the treason laws retrospective to include the
Irish, without the consent of the Irish government, tried him and
found him guilty under laws which weren't even applicable, executed
him and then repealed the law. If they are going to use the law they
should at last do it honestly.
What happened next remains slightly unclear.
Not really. It's simply that the BBC (along with every other compliant
mainstream 'news' organisation that licks the arse of Power) always finds a
way of *not quite saying* any awful truth about the USA. If you want to know
*precisely how non-existent* is the supposed American 'commitment' to
freedom, justice, democracy, peace, free trade, fair trials, due process,
and international law, *don't expect to find out about it from the BBC*.
On the other hand, some of the newspapers don't have to worry about
it. Although the Times ceased to be the newspaper of record after the
Murdoch take over, you can usually trust the Guardian, Independent and
Observer.
M.
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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30 Sep 2006 04:08:47 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:
Although the British did much the same for Lord Haw-Haw. He was an
Irish citizen. They made the treason laws retrospective to include the
Irish, without the consent of the Irish government, tried him and
found him guilty under laws which weren't even applicable, executed
him and then repealed the law. If they are going to use the law they
should at last do it honestly.
Old William Joyce was the victim of a society's taste for revenge. As no-one
has yet pointed out, 'revenge' is a dish best served with *legalistic
trimmings*...
Not really. It's simply that the BBC (along with every other compliant
mainstream 'news' organisation that licks the arse of Power) always finds
a
way of *not quite saying* any awful truth about the USA. If you want to
know
*precisely how non-existent* is the supposed American 'commitment' to
freedom, justice, democracy, peace, free trade, fair trials, due process,
and international law, *don't expect to find out about it from the BBC*.
On the other hand, some of the newspapers don't have to worry about
it. Although the Times ceased to be the newspaper of record after the
Murdoch take over, you can usually trust the Guardian, Independent and
Observer.
If only that were true, old bean! As far as I can see, all corporate
newspapers have corporate values, and all mainstream journalists have
internalised a value-system that gives a free ride to Power.
Why not subscribe to 'media lens' sometime, Christopher? They send out some
fine stuff, IMHO.
M.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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30 Sep 2006 12:41:04 PM |
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Mark D J. wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:
Although the British did much the same for Lord Haw-Haw. He was an
Irish citizen. They made the treason laws retrospective to include the
Irish, without the consent of the Irish government, tried him and
found him guilty under laws which weren't even applicable, executed
him and then repealed the law. If they are going to use the law they
should at last do it honestly.
Old William Joyce was the victim of a society's taste for revenge. As no-one
has yet pointed out, 'revenge' is a dish best served with *legalistic
trimmings*...
Not really. It's simply that the BBC (along with every other compliant
mainstream 'news' organisation that licks the arse of Power) always finds
a
way of *not quite saying* any awful truth about the USA. If you want to
know
*precisely how non-existent* is the supposed American 'commitment' to
freedom, justice, democracy, peace, free trade, fair trials, due process,
and international law, *don't expect to find out about it from the BBC*.
On the other hand, some of the newspapers don't have to worry about
it. Although the Times ceased to be the newspaper of record after the
Murdoch take over, you can usually trust the Guardian, Independent and
Observer.
If only that were true, old bean! As far as I can see, all corporate
newspapers have corporate values, and all mainstream journalists have
internalised a value-system that gives a free ride to Power.
The good old Grauniad is run by a trust.
Why not subscribe to 'media lens' sometime, Christopher? They send out some
fine stuff, IMHO.
M.
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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30 Sep 2006 01:02:43 PM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159638064.124859.82920@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.
The good old Grauniad is run by a trust.
And completely dependent on corporate advertising for its survival.
If you want to see how even this 'trust-run' paragon copes with thinking
outside the corporatist box, look at what they tried to do to Chomsky a few
months back.
M.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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30 Sep 2006 03:28:03 PM |
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Mark D J. wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159638064.124859.82920@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.
The good old Grauniad is run by a trust.
And completely dependent on corporate advertising for its survival.
If you want to see how even this 'trust-run' paragon copes with thinking
outside the corporatist box, look at what they tried to do to Chomsky a few
months back.
It's far from perfect, but I do trust it more than "some bloke in the
pub" which is what I would have otherwise. It's the best we've got
here, it tends to slightly favour centre elft, pretensious positions,
but it's still good.
M.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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29 Sep 2006 03:21:14 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:24:49 GMT, "Mark D J." <Mark D J.@hoyme.com>
wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com...
She was convicted on suspect evidence of treason in 1949, in the early
stages of the Cold War, but pardoned in 1977.
She was convicted on the basis of 'evidence' that was either never actually
presented (i.e. the jury never heard the 'recordings' that were stacked in
the court), or was never actually proved to be connected with her (i.e. the
documents that were placed before the jury were merely typed-up radio
scripts that could have been anybody's), as well as on the basis of an
obviously biased judge's insistent recommendation (the judge had a son
killed by the Japanese in WW2 and wasn't fit to run such a trial as hers;
even the jury's foreman apologised afterwards for their 'guilty' verdict and
said that the jury actually thought her innocent). She was then sentenced to
*10 years*. Her husband, entirely innocent, was spat on and abused every day
as he entered and left the court. Eventually he left the USA for good, and I
don't fucking blame him.
How the heck could it have been treason?
She was a Japanese, on Japan's side during the war. Living in Japan
and broadcasting from Japan.
Although the British did much the same for Lord Haw-Haw. He was an
Irish citizen. They made the treason laws retrospective to include the
Irish, without the consent of the Irish government, tried him and
found him guilty under laws which weren't even applicable, executed
him and then repealed the law. If they are going to use the law they
should at last do it honestly.
Indeed, Haw-Haw maybe shouldn't have been hanged for treason, though
the actual reason he was was because he (falsely) claimed British
citizenship, so he was tried as one.
What happened next remains slightly unclear.
Not really. It's simply that the BBC (along with every other compliant
mainstream 'news' organisation that licks the arse of Power) always finds a
way of *not quite saying* any awful truth about the USA. If you want to know
*precisely how non-existent* is the supposed American 'commitment' to
freedom, justice, democracy, peace, free trade, fair trials, due process,
and international law, *don't expect to find out about it from the BBC*.
On the other hand, some of the newspapers don't have to worry about
it. Although the Times ceased to be the newspaper of record after the
Murdoch take over, you can usually trust the Guardian, Independent and
Observer.
M.
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| User: "Cloim" |
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29 Sep 2006 07:07:46 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:55:49 -0400, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:24:49 GMT, "Mark D J." <Mark D J.@hoyme.com>
wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com...
She was convicted on suspect evidence of treason in 1949, in the early
stages of the Cold War, but pardoned in 1977.
She was convicted on the basis of 'evidence' that was either never actually
presented (i.e. the jury never heard the 'recordings' that were stacked in
the court), or was never actually proved to be connected with her (i.e. the
documents that were placed before the jury were merely typed-up radio
scripts that could have been anybody's), as well as on the basis of an
obviously biased judge's insistent recommendation (the judge had a son
killed by the Japanese in WW2 and wasn't fit to run such a trial as hers;
even the jury's foreman apologised afterwards for their 'guilty' verdict and
said that the jury actually thought her innocent). She was then sentenced to
*10 years*. Her husband, entirely innocent, was spat on and abused every day
as he entered and left the court. Eventually he left the USA for good, and I
don't fucking blame him.
How the heck could it have been treason?
She was a Japanese, on Japan's side during the war. Living in Japan
and broadcasting from Japan.
<quote>
An American citizen, she was stranded in Japan when war broke out in
1941.
</quote>
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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28 Sep 2006 04:01:08 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 28 September 2006 4:02
pm Therion Ware perhaps from wrote:
She was convicted on questionable evidence in 1949 and served six
years in prison, one of only a handful of Americans ever found guilty
of the offence.
Released after serving six years in prison, Toguri D'Aquino set up
home and tried to clear her name.
In 1977, in the face of mounting evidence that her 1949 trial was
deeply flawed, President Gerald Ford granted her a pardon.
She died on Tuesday in Chicago, where she had lived and worked since
her release.
As they say, the first casualty of war is truth.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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28 Sep 2006 04:15:56 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:02:25 +0100, in alt.atheism , Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in
<ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com> wrote:
It says here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5388658.stm
[snip]
She was convicted on questionable evidence in 1949 and served six
years in prison, one of only a handful of Americans ever found guilty
of the offence.
Questionable as in witnesses were pressured to perjure themselves. At
least, though, no one (AFAWK) was tortured. That, unfortunately, has
changed.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Oct 2006 05:27:12 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:15:56 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:02:25 +0100, in alt.atheism , Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in
<ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com> wrote:
It says here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5388658.stm
[snip]
She was convicted on questionable evidence in 1949 and served six
years in prison, one of only a handful of Americans ever found guilty
of the offence.
Questionable as in witnesses were pressured to perjure themselves. At
least, though, no one (AFAWK) was tortured. That, unfortunately, has
changed.
So much for "and justice for all." :\
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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04 Oct 2006 05:48:09 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:15:56 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:02:25 +0100, in alt.atheism , Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in
<ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com> wrote:
It says here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5388658.stm
[snip]
She was convicted on questionable evidence in 1949 and served six
years in prison, one of only a handful of Americans ever found guilty
of the offence.
Questionable as in witnesses were pressured to perjure themselves. At
least, though, no one (AFAWK) was tortured. That, unfortunately, has
changed.
So much for "and justice for all." :\
But then again, I have no sympathy for HawHaw whatsoever, that fascist
got what he deserved, though through improper methods.
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Oct 2006 10:11:17 AM |
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On 4 Oct 2006 15:48:09 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:15:56 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:02:25 +0100, in alt.atheism , Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in
<ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com> wrote:
It says here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5388658.stm
[snip]
She was convicted on questionable evidence in 1949 and served six
years in prison, one of only a handful of Americans ever found guilty
of the offence.
Questionable as in witnesses were pressured to perjure themselves. At
least, though, no one (AFAWK) was tortured. That, unfortunately, has
changed.
So much for "and justice for all." :\
But then again, I have no sympathy for HawHaw whatsoever, that fascist
got what he deserved, though through improper methods.
The last laugh was on him.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Pardoned 'Tokyo Rose' dies at 90 |
28 Sep 2006 04:33:13 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:15:56 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:02:25 +0100, in alt.atheism , Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> in
<ngaoh29pg2hn38r8kpq1k624gsh3969sk7@4ax.com> wrote:
It says here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5388658.stm
[snip]
She was convicted on questionable evidence in 1949 and served six
years in prison, one of only a handful of Americans ever found guilty
of the offence.
Questionable as in witnesses were pressured to perjure themselves. At
least, though, no one (AFAWK) was tortured. That, unfortunately, has
changed.
[snip]
There's a more detailed piece about her here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5389722.stm
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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