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Religions > Atheism |
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"Denis Loubet" |
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02 Apr 2006 04:32:02 PM |
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OT political question |
In the US, what records are an old administration allowed to destroy before
a new administration takes over?
I mean, We The People are supposedly paying their salaries to work for
**us**. Shouldn't all those records belong to us?
Of course there will be issues of national security that the man on the
street can never know about, but these records cannot be held secret from
the new administration, can they? They need to know about issues of national
security. And the new administration can re-evaluate whether those records
are actually in the intrest of national security or not, can't they?
If the current administration is playing as fast and loose with the law and
the constitution as it appears, it would behoove them to destroy as many
records as possible before a different administration takes over. One would
think the paper-shredders would be working far into the night.
But those are OUR papers, dammit. We, the taxpayers, paid for those papers.
I don't want them shredded. I want to know what the fuckers did.
What would happen if it were completely illegal to shred government
documents, memos, recordings, etc? What if they all went into central
storage of some kind? (I know there are severe logistical problems with that
idea.) What if all the records of a past administration could be examined by
a current administration? Would that create another check and balance in
government, useful for limiting the corruption in administrations if they
knew all their records were going to be examined?
I know, I know. I'm so naive. All rules can be gamed, but I think every
check and balance helps.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: OT political question |
02 Apr 2006 08:39:18 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
In the US, what records are an old administration allowed to destroy
before a new administration takes over?
For the vast majority of politicians and probably even for this crew the
idea of destroying *ANYTHING* written is not something they would consider.
It would be a foreign idea to them.
I asked an attorney friend of mine years ago why Nixon didn't just burn the
tapes.
He got this funny look on his face and said it never would have occured to
him.
It's why presidential libraries are so big. Even a phone call will generate
at least four log entries, two memo's and frequently letters to follow up on
the call.
Four logs because the only thing worse than placing a call yourself is
answering it. You ask your secretary and he or she makes the call to their
secretary. Everybody writes it down.
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| User: "Ken" |
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| Title: Re: OT political question |
02 Apr 2006 09:15:46 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:39:18 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
In the US, what records are an old administration allowed to destroy
before a new administration takes over?
For the vast majority of politicians and probably even for this crew the
idea of destroying *ANYTHING* written is not something they would
consider. It would be a foreign idea to them.
I suspect that the kinds of things he would like the next administration
to read are never committed to paper. And since Nixon I doubt they tape
them either.
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Ken
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| User: "Tapio Erola" |
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| Title: Re: OT political question |
03 Apr 2006 12:24:50 PM |
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Ken <nobody@nowhere.com> writes:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:39:18 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
For the vast majority of politicians and probably even for this crew the
idea of destroying *ANYTHING* written is not something they would
consider. It would be a foreign idea to them.
I suspect that the kinds of things he would like the next administration
to read are never committed to paper. And since Nixon I doubt they tape
them either.
The existence of Nixon tapes probably became public before their
destruction was considered and after that disclosure their destruction
would have amounted to obstruction of justice. (Remember that mere
missing 18.5 minutes was enough to seal Nixon's fate.)
Paperless operation is probably not feasible, as it would seriously
limit the administrations ability to run clandestine business. (I'm
not commenting whether this would be a good thing...)
Paper trail from such capers are probably handled with NSA-level
(1x4mm granularity) particle-cut shredder and burning the resulting
confetti. See: Iran-Contra Affair and Memory Hole.
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Tapio Erola
"Being broke is a temporary situation. Being poor is a state of mind."
--Mike Todd
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT political question |
03 Apr 2006 04:17:21 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:32:02 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
In the US, what records are an old administration allowed to destroy before
a new administration takes over?
I mean, We The People are supposedly paying their salaries to work for
**us**. Shouldn't all those records belong to us?
Of course there will be issues of national security that the man on the
street can never know about, but these records cannot be held secret from
the new administration, can they? They need to know about issues of national
security. And the new administration can re-evaluate whether those records
are actually in the intrest of national security or not, can't they?
If the current administration is playing as fast and loose with the law and
the constitution as it appears, it would behoove them to destroy as many
records as possible before a different administration takes over. One would
think the paper-shredders would be working far into the night.
But those are OUR papers, dammit. We, the taxpayers, paid for those papers.
I don't want them shredded. I want to know what the fuckers did.
What would happen if it were completely illegal to shred government
documents, memos, recordings, etc? What if they all went into central
storage of some kind? (I know there are severe logistical problems with that
idea.) What if all the records of a past administration could be examined by
a current administration? Would that create another check and balance in
government, useful for limiting the corruption in administrations if they
knew all their records were going to be examined?
I know, I know. I'm so naive. All rules can be gamed, but I think every
check and balance helps.
He who pays the most gets the most. That would be the corporations. We
the people lose.
Sunyata
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: OT political question |
02 Apr 2006 04:49:40 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:32:02 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
If the current administration is playing as fast and loose with the law and
the constitution as it appears,
They're not. Even playing fast and loose is not illegal.
I know, I know. I'm so naive. All rules can be gamed, but I think every
check and balance helps.
And we have just what the law of the land requires.
duke, American-American
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