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OT: Private craft rockets into space |
Private craft rockets into space
SpaceShipOne, the first private manned spacecraft, has blasted away
from its carrier, White Knight, on the next part of its historic space
journey.
The craft was carried to 50,000ft (15km) by White Knight for an hour,
at which point it was unleashed. It fired its rockets to continue its
trip.
The craft, built by aviation pioneer Burt Rutan, is aiming to reach
100km (62 miles), space's official boundary.
No private craft or non-government-funded pilot has ever been further.
SpaceShipOne glided very briefly before firing up its rocket for about
80 seconds. It then blasted off to reach its target height of in a
vertical climb at Mach 3 (three times the speed of sound).
Once that target altitude is reached, the vehicle changes its wing
configuration to allow for high drag, and starts to fall back towards
Earth during which the pilot will be weightless.
At re-entry, the ship's special wing configuration allows it to glide
back down to Earth in about 20 minutes.
Pilot history
Robert Rice, from Mojave Airport, told the BBC about 3,000 people,
including over 500 media crews, have descended on the desert to watch
the historic flight.
Mr Rutan and his team from his company, Scaled Composites, hope the
flight will take them closer to winning the Ansari X-prize of $10m
(£5.7m) which will be awarded to the first non-government, manned
flight into space.
The pilot, 62-year-old Scaled Composites vice-president Mike Melvill,
is also well on his way to rocketing into the record books as the
first civilian to fly a spaceship out of Earth's atmosphere.
Mr Melvill piloted the test flight in May, when it reached 64km (40
miles) to double its last best.
If the mission is a success, SpaceShipOne will attempt the X-prize at
a later stage.
To beat 25 other teams in this race, SpaceShipOne must reach 100km
twice in two weeks.
On each occasion it will have to fly with a pilot and at least the
ballast equivalent of two other people. Monday's launch is a key step
towards claiming the prize.
"This will be the first time that any piloted private spaceship ever
goes into space, so it's of pivotal importance to the X-Prize
Foundation, and it certainly puts Scaled Composite's team front and
centre in the public's view as a front-runner," Gregg Maryniak,
executive director of the foundation, told the Associate Press.
When the X-prize is won, it could open up the skies to future tourist
trips to the edge of space for those bored of the usual beach holiday.
Monday's historic flight is being attempted early in the day (0630
PDT) because it is less likely to be very windy at that time and a
lower Sun angle affords a better view.
Back for more
The craft escapes Earth's atmosphere, but is not be able to orbit the
planet because of the speed it is going.
Going sub-orbital is cheaper and far less risky, but it still means
the pilot will have a stunning view of Earth.
Burt Rutan has been widely acclaimed for his pioneering achievements
in the field of aviation.
White Knight and SpaceShipOne are thought to be revolutionary in many
ways. SpaceShipOne's hybrid engine needs special fuel that is safer,
and both White Knight and the ship can be reused.
SpaceShipOne's rocket motor, which was custom-built by SpaceDev of San
Diego, burns a solid rubber propellant with liquid nitrous oxide - a
liquid version of "laughing gas".
It is not volatile and it is more eco-friendly than other space rocket
fuels. Its by-products are water vapour, carbon dioxide, carbon
monoxide and nitrogen.
The conventional space shuttle's solid rocket boosters burn ammonium
perchlorate and aluminium.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/3811881.stm
Published: 2004/06/21 14:54:44 GMT
© BBC MMIV
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Private craft rockets into space |
21 Jun 2004 05:10:06 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:0eudd018b0k1ahk9h08l7t1gs81uua1fnf@4ax.com...
Private craft rockets into space
SpaceShipOne, the first private manned spacecraft, has blasted away
from its carrier, White Knight, on the next part of its historic space
journey.
The craft was carried to 50,000ft (15km) by White Knight for an hour,
at which point it was unleashed. It fired its rockets to continue its
trip.
The craft, built by aviation pioneer Burt Rutan, is aiming to reach
100km (62 miles), space's official boundary.
No private craft or non-government-funded pilot has ever been further.
SpaceShipOne glided very briefly before firing up its rocket for about
80 seconds. It then blasted off to reach its target height of in a
vertical climb at Mach 3 (three times the speed of sound).
Once that target altitude is reached, the vehicle changes its wing
configuration to allow for high drag, and starts to fall back towards
Earth during which the pilot will be weightless.
At re-entry, the ship's special wing configuration allows it to glide
back down to Earth in about 20 minutes.
Pilot history
Robert Rice, from Mojave Airport, told the BBC about 3,000 people,
including over 500 media crews, have descended on the desert to watch
the historic flight.
Mr Rutan and his team from his company, Scaled Composites, hope the
flight will take them closer to winning the Ansari X-prize of $10m
(£5.7m) which will be awarded to the first non-government, manned
flight into space.
The pilot, 62-year-old Scaled Composites vice-president Mike Melvill,
is also well on his way to rocketing into the record books as the
first civilian to fly a spaceship out of Earth's atmosphere.
Mr Melvill piloted the test flight in May, when it reached 64km (40
miles) to double its last best.
If the mission is a success, SpaceShipOne will attempt the X-prize at
a later stage.
To beat 25 other teams in this race, SpaceShipOne must reach 100km
twice in two weeks.
On each occasion it will have to fly with a pilot and at least the
ballast equivalent of two other people. Monday's launch is a key step
towards claiming the prize.
"This will be the first time that any piloted private spaceship ever
goes into space, so it's of pivotal importance to the X-Prize
Foundation, and it certainly puts Scaled Composite's team front and
centre in the public's view as a front-runner," Gregg Maryniak,
executive director of the foundation, told the Associate Press.
When the X-prize is won, it could open up the skies to future tourist
trips to the edge of space for those bored of the usual beach holiday.
Monday's historic flight is being attempted early in the day (0630
PDT) because it is less likely to be very windy at that time and a
lower Sun angle affords a better view.
Back for more
The craft escapes Earth's atmosphere, but is not be able to orbit the
planet because of the speed it is going.
Going sub-orbital is cheaper and far less risky, but it still means
the pilot will have a stunning view of Earth.
Burt Rutan has been widely acclaimed for his pioneering achievements
in the field of aviation.
White Knight and SpaceShipOne are thought to be revolutionary in many
ways. SpaceShipOne's hybrid engine needs special fuel that is safer,
and both White Knight and the ship can be reused.
SpaceShipOne's rocket motor, which was custom-built by SpaceDev of San
Diego, burns a solid rubber propellant with liquid nitrous oxide - a
liquid version of "laughing gas".
It is not volatile and it is more eco-friendly than other space rocket
fuels. Its by-products are water vapour, carbon dioxide, carbon
monoxide and nitrogen.
The conventional space shuttle's solid rocket boosters burn ammonium
perchlorate and aluminium.
A great step for the future of space flight! It also holds another lesson.
It shows the powerful of potential of private enterprise to find creative
solutions to even the toughest problems. All that's needed, is the proper
motivation. Could imagine where we could be, if the government were to
sponsor some prize for the winner of a competition to develop alternative
fuel vehicles, for example? Rather than running the show, I would love to
see government provide incentives for difficult challenges such as that, and
allowing private individuals compete to win.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Private craft rockets into space |
21 Jun 2004 07:39:12 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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(snip)
A great step for the future of space flight! It also holds another
lesson.
It shows the powerful of potential of private enterprise to find creative
solutions to even the toughest problems. All that's needed, is the proper
motivation. Could imagine where we could be, if the government were to
sponsor some prize for the winner of a competition to develop alternative
fuel vehicles, for example? Rather than running the show, I would love to
see government provide incentives for difficult challenges such as that,
and
allowing private individuals compete to win.
I always thought a great thing to do would be to challenge the Junkyard Wars
teams to build time machine or anti-gravity device in 12 hours. Chances are
it would be a total failure, but what if they succeeded? ;-)
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Kronk" |
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22 Jun 2004 01:10:48 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:10:06 GMT, "Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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Private craft rockets into space
<...>
A great step for the future of space flight! It also holds another lesson.
It shows the powerful of potential of private enterprise to find creative
solutions to even the toughest problems. All that's needed, is the proper
motivation.
In this particular instance, the motivation appears to have been
simply that this was something that a rich guy wanted to do. The
project has cost 20 million so far, so it seems unlikely that it was
done because of the financial incentive of a 10 million dollar prize.
The only commercial application I've seen suggested so far is an
up-and-down amusement park ride for the rich. If they can make money
that way, more power to them, but I think it more likely they will win
the prize, pick up their trophy for their mantlepiece, and that will
be the end of it.
Could imagine where we could be, if the government were to
sponsor some prize for the winner of a competition to develop alternative
fuel vehicles, for example?
We'd be about where we are now. The only people who would be able to
afford the up-front development costs would be the people who are
already raking in the bucks on the status quo. If the usual
commercial incentive to change from the status quo isn't there, some
token prize isn't going to make a difference.
Rather than running the show, I would love to
see government provide incentives for difficult challenges such as that, and
allowing private individuals compete to win.
It would not be difficult to have an agency which would accept and
review multi-category innovation proposals from individuals, and then
fund small research and test programs for, say, the best 5,000 ideas
each year, and then maybe follow up with technical assistance and
development grants for the most promising 500 projects--with the
proviso that a chunk of the profits from any successful ventures had
to be invested back into the program as payback for its assistance.
It could be dirt cheap to the taxpayer, great for small innovators,
great for stimulating new businesses, great for consumer choice, and
great for the overall health of the economy.
But it wouldn't be great for large, well-established corporations. In
fact, it could be bad for them. If there is ever a smidgen of
political will to make it happen, I expect lobbyists will flood out to
make sure it doesn't happen.
Kronk
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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22 Jun 2004 03:50:20 PM |
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Great Lord (Kronk), braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:10:48 GMT and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
In this particular instance, the motivation appears to have been
simply that this was something that a rich guy wanted to do. The
project has cost 20 million so far, so it seems unlikely that it was
done because of the financial incentive of a 10 million dollar prize.
The only commercial application I've seen suggested so far is an
up-and-down amusement park ride for the rich. If they can make money
that way, more power to them, but I think it more likely they will win
the prize, pick up their trophy for their mantlepiece, and that will
be the end of it.
You know, they said the exact same thing about airplanes. Nobody saw
them as anything but toys.. until someobne got the smart idea of
carrying the mail, and using planes to spy on enemies, and then to
carry bombs, which led to carrying people...
SpaceShipOne is the Wright Flyer.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Kronk" |
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22 Jun 2004 07:59:39 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:50:20 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Great Lord (Kronk), braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:10:48 GMT and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
In this particular instance, the motivation appears to have been
simply that this was something that a rich guy wanted to do. The
project has cost 20 million so far, so it seems unlikely that it was
done because of the financial incentive of a 10 million dollar prize.
The only commercial application I've seen suggested so far is an
up-and-down amusement park ride for the rich. If they can make money
that way, more power to them, but I think it more likely they will win
the prize, pick up their trophy for their mantlepiece, and that will
be the end of it.
You know, they said the exact same thing about airplanes. Nobody saw
them as anything but toys.. until someobne got the smart idea of
carrying the mail, and using planes to spy on enemies, and then to
carry bombs, which led to carrying people...
SpaceShipOne is the Wright Flyer.
The obvious difference, of course, is that the Wright Flyer broke
genuinely new ground. SS1 has achieved a qualified record, but it's
like the world's tallest freestanding flagpole standing in a city of
much taller skyscrapers. In all practical respects it has already
been far surpassed.
100 km up is not all that high (the altitude record for a cannon
projectile, by comparison, is 179 km.--set back in 1966) and the
maximum speed reached by SS1 is less than a tenth of the speed needed
to get into space in a useful way. And the approach that seemed so
economical for putting the flag just over the target altitude will
become exponentially more complex and expensive if it is scaled up for
greater maximum and re-entry velocities. I think it will quickly
prove untenable against the simplicity and cheapness of
ground-launched rockets.
Kronk
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| User: "Clayton Kicking Asses and Taking Names" |
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21 Jun 2004 08:42:03 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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Private craft rockets into space
SpaceShipOne, the first private manned spacecraft, has blasted away
from its carrier, White Knight, on the next part of its historic space
journey.
It was all faked!!!!!!!!!!! It's a massive conspiracy!!!!!!!! Stanley
Kubrick wrote the first draft!!!!!!!!
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| User: "Fester" |
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21 Jun 2004 08:58:02 PM |
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"Clayton Kicking Asses and Taking Names" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com>
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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Private craft rockets into space
SpaceShipOne, the first private manned spacecraft, has blasted away
from its carrier, White Knight, on the next part of its historic space
journey.
It was all faked!!!!!!!!!!! It's a massive conspiracy!!!!!!!! Stanley
Kubrick wrote the first draft!!!!!!!!
Funny you should mention Kubrick. I'm settling in to watch, "A Clockwork
Orange" tonite.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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21 Jun 2004 08:37:31 PM |
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"Clayton Kicking Asses and Taking Names" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com>
wrote in news:40d78e5c$0$16103$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:0eudd018b0k1ahk9h08l7t1gs81uua1fnf@4ax.com...
Private craft rockets into space
SpaceShipOne, the first private manned spacecraft, has blasted away
from its carrier, White Knight, on the next part of its historic space
journey.
It was all faked!!!!!!!!!!! It's a massive conspiracy!!!!!!!! Stanley
Kubrick wrote the first draft!!!!!!!!
The lighting is all wrong! I can see the strings!
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"It is interesting to note that the death
penalty for individuals is less controversial
than the mere suggestion that a few corporations
may have forfeited their right to exist. How many
people does a company have to harm before we question
if it ought to exist?"
-- Paul Hawken
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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22 Jun 2004 08:32:31 AM |
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It was all faked!!!!!!!!!!! It's a massive conspiracy!!!!!!!! Stanley
Kubrick wrote the first draft!!!!!!!!
Pretty impressive feat considering he's been dead for five years.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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22 Jun 2004 09:00:04 AM |
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On 22 Jun 2004 13:32:31 GMT in alt.atheism, Lord Calvert
(forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
It was all faked!!!!!!!!!!! It's a massive conspiracy!!!!!!!! Stanley
Kubrick wrote the first draft!!!!!!!!
Pretty impressive feat considering he's been dead for five years.
That's what THEY want you to think.
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| User: "Woden wodencharternet" |
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21 Jun 2004 04:53:39 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:0eudd018b0k1ahk9h08l7t1gs81uua1fnf@4ax.com:
Private craft rockets into space
SpaceShipOne, the first private manned spacecraft, has blasted away
from its carrier, White Knight, on the next part of its historic space
journey.
The craft was carried to 50,000ft (15km) by White Knight for an hour,
at which point it was unleashed. It fired its rockets to continue its
trip.
The craft, built by aviation pioneer Burt Rutan, is aiming to reach
100km (62 miles), space's official boundary.
No private craft or non-government-funded pilot has ever been further.
SpaceShipOne glided very briefly before firing up its rocket for about
80 seconds. It then blasted off to reach its target height of in a
vertical climb at Mach 3 (three times the speed of sound).
Once that target altitude is reached, the vehicle changes its wing
configuration to allow for high drag, and starts to fall back towards
Earth during which the pilot will be weightless.
At re-entry, the ship's special wing configuration allows it to glide
back down to Earth in about 20 minutes.
Pilot history
Robert Rice, from Mojave Airport, told the BBC about 3,000 people,
including over 500 media crews, have descended on the desert to watch
the historic flight.
Mr Rutan and his team from his company, Scaled Composites, hope the
flight will take them closer to winning the Ansari X-prize of $10m
(£5.7m) which will be awarded to the first non-government, manned
flight into space.
The pilot, 62-year-old Scaled Composites vice-president Mike Melvill,
is also well on his way to rocketing into the record books as the
first civilian to fly a spaceship out of Earth's atmosphere.
Mr Melvill piloted the test flight in May, when it reached 64km (40
miles) to double its last best.
If the mission is a success, SpaceShipOne will attempt the X-prize at
a later stage.
To beat 25 other teams in this race, SpaceShipOne must reach 100km
twice in two weeks.
On each occasion it will have to fly with a pilot and at least the
ballast equivalent of two other people. Monday's launch is a key step
towards claiming the prize.
"This will be the first time that any piloted private spaceship ever
goes into space, so it's of pivotal importance to the X-Prize
Foundation, and it certainly puts Scaled Composite's team front and
centre in the public's view as a front-runner," Gregg Maryniak,
executive director of the foundation, told the Associate Press.
When the X-prize is won, it could open up the skies to future tourist
trips to the edge of space for those bored of the usual beach holiday.
Monday's historic flight is being attempted early in the day (0630
PDT) because it is less likely to be very windy at that time and a
lower Sun angle affords a better view.
Back for more
The craft escapes Earth's atmosphere, but is not be able to orbit the
planet because of the speed it is going.
Going sub-orbital is cheaper and far less risky, but it still means
the pilot will have a stunning view of Earth.
Burt Rutan has been widely acclaimed for his pioneering achievements
in the field of aviation.
White Knight and SpaceShipOne are thought to be revolutionary in many
ways. SpaceShipOne's hybrid engine needs special fuel that is safer,
and both White Knight and the ship can be reused.
SpaceShipOne's rocket motor, which was custom-built by SpaceDev of San
Diego, burns a solid rubber propellant with liquid nitrous oxide - a
liquid version of "laughing gas".
It is not volatile and it is more eco-friendly than other space rocket
fuels. Its by-products are water vapour, carbon dioxide, carbon
monoxide and nitrogen.
The conventional space shuttle's solid rocket boosters burn ammonium
perchlorate and aluminium.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/3811881.stm
Published: 2004/06/21 14:54:44 GMT
Kudos to Rutan & Melvill & Paul Allen (who supplied finacial backing).
It's about time someone broke the bureaucratic stanglehold the gov't had on
spaceflight.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "TCS" |
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21 Jun 2004 05:02:07 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:53:39 -0000, Woden <> wrote:
Kudos to Rutan & Melvill & Paul Allen (who supplied finacial backing).
It's about time someone broke the bureaucratic stanglehold the gov't had on
spaceflight.
The gov't hasn't had a stranglehold for a long time now. Perhaps you
confusing manned flight with unmanned satelite delivery systems?
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| User: "Woden wodencharternet" |
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21 Jun 2004 05:06:51 PM |
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TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in
news:slrncdemmv.jia.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:53:39 -0000, Woden <> wrote:
Kudos to Rutan & Melvill & Paul Allen (who supplied finacial backing).
It's about time someone broke the bureaucratic stanglehold the gov't
had on spaceflight.
The gov't hasn't had a stranglehold for a long time now. Perhaps you
confusing manned flight with unmanned satelite delivery systems?
Ok.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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