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21 Aug 2005 09:18:14 PM |
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OT: Psychology question |
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
:-?
It's a bit of a twist to get one's mind around, but put in more linear
terms, suppose you have the following and you, as some sort of
"omniscient third-person observer" know the truth of the matter even
though John, himself, does not:
John tells Jane that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room.
John truly believes that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the
room. But John didn't really hallucinate a tiger walking across the
room, that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room was _itself_
the hallucination.
Does that make sense? :-? Just curious. Thanks. :-)
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
22 Aug 2005 01:24:24 AM |
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:18:14 -0400 the ET form known as Uncle
Buck<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
:-?
It's a bit of a twist to get one's mind around, but put in more linear
terms, suppose you have the following and you, as some sort of
"omniscient third-person observer" know the truth of the matter even
though John, himself, does not:
John tells Jane that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room.
John truly believes that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the
room. But John didn't really hallucinate a tiger walking across the
room, that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room was _itself_
the hallucination.
Does that make sense? :-? Just curious. Thanks. :-)
You can dream yourself dreaming as I have done and dream of waking up
from that dream as I have also done. So hallucinating that you have
hallucinated would seem possible IMO.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
21 Aug 2005 09:37:28 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:18:14 -0400, Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
:-?
It's a bit of a twist to get one's mind around, but put in more linear
terms, suppose you have the following and you, as some sort of
"omniscient third-person observer" know the truth of the matter even
though John, himself, does not:
John tells Jane that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room.
John truly believes that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the
room. But John didn't really hallucinate a tiger walking across the
room, that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room was _itself_
the hallucination.
Does that make sense? :-? Just curious. Thanks. :-)
What is the sound of one hallucinated tiger's paw clapping?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
21 Aug 2005 09:47:47 PM |
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Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:jDaOe.45015$rp.1976@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
:-?
It's a bit of a twist to get one's mind around, but put in more linear
terms, suppose you have the following and you, as some sort of
"omniscient third-person observer" know the truth of the matter even
though John, himself, does not:
John tells Jane that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room.
John truly believes that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the
room. But John didn't really hallucinate a tiger walking across the
room, that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room was
_itself_ the hallucination.
Wouldn't you have to hallucinate the tiger in order to believe that you
had hallucinated the tiger?
Or maybe he's imagining the memory of having hallucinated the tiger even
though the memory is false?
Does that make sense? :-? Just curious. Thanks. :-)
Sounds like a case of recursive schizophrenia. Take two antacids and
call me in the morning... :-)
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The reason a large block of the country doesn’t recall Bush’s speeches
calling for Iraqi liberation is that they simply were not listening.
After all, they had already decided that they knew what Bush “really”
meant, so they ignored what he said."
http://blog.ianhamet.com/index.php/archive/2005/04/15/945/
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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21 Aug 2005 10:03:58 PM |
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Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in news:jDaOe.45015$rp.1976
@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
I've dreamed I was dreaming. It was a really odd sensation to wake up from
a dream in a dream!
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
Religion is but a desperate attempt to find an escape from the truly
dreadful situation in which we find ourselves. Here we are in this wholly
fantastic universe with scarcely a clue as to whether our existence has any
real significance. No wonder then that many people feel the need for some
belief that gives them a sense of security, and no wonder that they become
very angry with people like me who say that this is illusory.
-- Fred Hoyle
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| User: "Pat Kiewicz" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
22 Aug 2005 07:01:42 AM |
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Uncle Buck said:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
A _deja-vu_ of an hallucination, maybe?
I had a strange reaction to a bizarre anime I watch last night.
Sort of like a deja-vu of an acid flashback.
It's a bit of a twist to get one's mind around, but put in more linear
terms, suppose you have the following and you, as some sort of
"omniscient third-person observer" know the truth of the matter even
though John, himself, does not:
John tells Jane that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room.
John truly believes that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the
room. But John didn't really hallucinate a tiger walking across the
room, that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room was _itself_
the hallucination.
Does that make sense? :-? Just curious. Thanks. :-)
Yeah, and it is similar to the dreaming-of-dreaming phenomena.
I've done that very recently, and 'woke' from it into a state of sleep
paralysis. (Good thing I knew what was happening so I didn't have
to blame it on demons or kidnapping by aliens...)
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Pat K. aa#1154 ('someplace.net' is comcast)
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)
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| User: "Jim Burns" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
21 Aug 2005 10:56:48 PM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
:-?
It's a bit of a twist to get one's mind around, but put in more
linear terms, suppose you have the following and you, as some
sort of "omniscient third-person observer" know the truth of
the matter even though John, himself, does not:
John tells Jane that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the
room. John truly believes that he hallucinated a tiger walking
across the room. But John didn't really hallucinate a tiger
walking across the room, that he hallucinated a tiger walking
across the room was _itself_ the hallucination.
Does that make sense? :-? Just curious. Thanks. :-)
I've heard there are brain pathologies where, for example,
the patient is certain that this person he is talking to is
impersonating his wife (but it really is his wife). I
suppose this patient is hallucinating that he is hallucinating
his wife, or something close to that.
Jim Burns
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
21 Aug 2005 10:07:22 PM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
It's possible to dream you're having a dream, right?
:-?
It's a bit of a twist to get one's mind around, but put in more linear
terms, suppose you have the following and you, as some sort of
"omniscient third-person observer" know the truth of the matter even
though John, himself, does not:
John tells Jane that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room.
John truly believes that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the
room. But John didn't really hallucinate a tiger walking across the
room, that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room was _itself_
the hallucination.
Does that make sense? :-? Just curious. Thanks. :-)
Okay, it's possible.
Sunny
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
22 Aug 2005 02:23:54 AM |
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On 21 Aug 2005 20:07:22 -0700, "stillsunny1@yahoo.com"
<stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
It's possible to dream you're having a dream, right?
As I lucid dream _WAY_ too often, I know from first-hand experience
that that's most definitely true! :-)
:-?
It's a bit of a twist to get one's mind around, but put in more linear
terms, suppose you have the following and you, as some sort of
"omniscient third-person observer" know the truth of the matter even
though John, himself, does not:
John tells Jane that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room.
John truly believes that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the
room. But John didn't really hallucinate a tiger walking across the
room, that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room was _itself_
the hallucination.
Does that make sense? :-? Just curious. Thanks. :-)
Okay, it's possible.
So what would the hallucination actually be? Is he having an imagined
memory, perhaps? :-?
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L8r,
***** ;-)
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
22 Aug 2005 12:17:02 AM |
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:23:54 -0700, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 20:07:22 -0700, "stillsunny1@yahoo.com"
<stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
It's possible to dream you're having a dream, right?
As I lucid dream _WAY_ too often, I know from first-hand experience
that that's most definitely true! :-)
:-?
It's a bit of a twist to get one's mind around, but put in more linear
terms, suppose you have the following and you, as some sort of
"omniscient third-person observer" know the truth of the matter even
though John, himself, does not:
John tells Jane that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room.
John truly believes that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the
room. But John didn't really hallucinate a tiger walking across the
room, that he hallucinated a tiger walking across the room was _itself_
the hallucination.
Does that make sense? :-? Just curious. Thanks. :-)
Okay, it's possible.
So what would the hallucination actually be? Is he having an imagined
memory, perhaps? :-?
He could be having problems with sleep apnea and falling asleep during
the day.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
22 Aug 2005 08:23:29 AM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 20:07:22 -0700, "stillsunny1@yahoo.com"
<stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
It's possible to dream you're having a dream, right?
As I lucid dream _WAY_ too often, I know from first-hand experience
that that's most definitely true! :-)
Did you ever have a dream, and realize you were dreaming, and decide to
stay in the dream and direct it? That's _fun_.
Okay, it's possible.
So what would the hallucination actually be? Is he having an imagined
memory, perhaps? :-?
Probably. It might not even be technically an hallucination. People
misremember things all the time. I know my children, from time to
time, will have specific memories of things that I remember completely
differently, as to who did what and how they did it.
L8r,
***** ;-)
<grin>
Sunny
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Psychology question |
22 Aug 2005 09:15:33 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2005 06:23:29 -0700, "stillsunny1@yahoo.com"
<stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 20:07:22 -0700, "stillsunny1@yahoo.com"
<stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote:
Is it possible to hallucinate that you've had an hallucination?
It's possible to dream you're having a dream, right?
As I lucid dream _WAY_ too often, I know from first-hand experience
that that's most definitely true! :-)
Did you ever have a dream, and realize you were dreaming, and decide to
stay in the dream and direct it? That's _fun_.
I've done that, but then at some point, I shifted to maintaining that
awareness and trying to let the dream go on as uncontrolled as
possible, just to see where it goes. You end up gleaning a LOT of
personal insights that way.
Okay, it's possible.
So what would the hallucination actually be? Is he having an imagined
memory, perhaps? :-?
Probably. It might not even be technically an hallucination. People
misremember things all the time. I know my children, from time to
time, will have specific memories of things that I remember completely
differently, as to who did what and how they did it.
L8r,
***** ;-)
<grin>
Sunny
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