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"Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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09 May 2004 01:52:02 PM |
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OT: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment? Would it depend on how you said it?
Would it make a difference whether or not your were their boss or in
some other position of potential influence over them?
I can see just coming out and telling a co-worker, "I believe I'd
enjoy watching you have sex" as being sexual harassment. However,
when you choose to perform in such a thing of your own free will, it
seems to me the topic should no longer be verboten, not even in the
workplace. At least not at its first mentioning. If you'd mention it
to a coworker and they gave you, "I was young, foolish and needed the
money" (or any other indication that they weren't comfortable with the
subject), then it should drop and any subsequent talk on the matter
_might_ be a form of harassment. But the initial approach to the
subject - would/should that count as such?
I'd say no, my reasoning being that some porn actors are quite
comfortable with the subject and wouldn't mind discussing it one bit
(even if they don't broadcast that particular career for all the world
to hear) - but you can't know this unless you ask. Yet we all know
that legalese doesn't always follow realitese, so I was curious. I'm
also a bit curious how this might vary from cultural region to
cultural region, so don't let the fact that U.S. law is what applies
to me, personally, keep any of you non-U.S.ers from replying. I'm
interested.
Thanks as always, and later all! :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "Clayton Cant Find His Left Sock" |
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| Title: Re: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
09 May 2004 08:54:44 PM |
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"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40a27b0f.14705779@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment?
Anyone ever tell you that you have a habit of getting yourself into some
really weird situations?
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
11 May 2004 09:44:31 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Mon, 10 May 2004 11:54:44 +1000, "Clayton Can't Find
His Left Sock" <cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com> wrote:
"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40a27b0f.14705779@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment?
Anyone ever tell you that you have a habit of getting yourself into some
really weird situations?
Well, there was this one time - at band camp...
muahahahahh... ;-)
Seriously tho', don't I know it. Some people get themselves into
abusive situations, some people get themselves into stressful
situations and some are even lucky enough to get themselves into
comfortable situations. Leave it to me to hog up all the _weird_
ones. :-/
For the record, I'd thought about this further and yah, just keeping
my lips sealed would be a good idea. It's not like I _have_ to
congratulate her on her performance. Just wish we could live in a
more open world where such perfectly okay things wouldn't be treated
with such shame, that's all. It sucks having such a "no holds barred"
outlook on life when so many holds are _indeed_ barred, even if by
others. :-/
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L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
09 May 2004 04:49:17 PM |
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"Uncle Dollar Bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:40a27b0f.14705779@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment? Would it depend on how you said it?
Would it make a difference whether or not your were their boss or in
some other position of potential influence over them?
Um, there's the possibility that the co-worker isn't the actor(ess), and
might construe the remark as an unwanted advance. Or even if it was the
actor(ess), they might deny they are, and file a complaint just to get you
to stay quiet.
I wouldn't bring it up unless you can gradually broach the subject and get
the party to admit that they were in porno flicks. Dunno how you'd do this
gracefully in a work situation . . .
-Tock
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| User: "a" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
09 May 2004 01:21:03 PM |
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(Uncle Dollar Bill) wrote:
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment?
Ask yourself: What good could come out of mentioning it? IOW, what are
your ulterior motives?
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
09 May 2004 07:31:37 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 09 May 2004 18:21:03 GMT, a <a@b.com> wrote:
UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com (Uncle Dollar Bill) wrote:
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment?
Ask yourself: What good could come out of mentioning it? IOW, what are
your ulterior motives?
Understood. That's a good one to ask one's self in just about any
situation, to be truthful. I guess about the only good that would
come out of it for me is that I'm just such an open person, it
actually almost hurts to keep something bottled up when I don't feel
there's anything wrong with it. I'd almost feel like it would be an
obligation to at least be open about the fact. But other people _do_
think it's wrong or are uncomfortable about ever having done such a
thing, and not taking their feelings into account isn't a very useful
way to navigate the world. So... I guess my reasons would be selfish,
but since it's a female I'm thinking about - and one I'm definitely
not interested in for my own sake - they wouldn't be what one might
think.
Anyway, thanks for the reminder - that is _such_ a useful question to
keep in mind. :-)
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L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
09 May 2004 11:15:37 AM |
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:52:02 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment?
Yes. When in doubt, keep your lip zipped. Basically, anything that
*could* be construed as an unwelcome sexual advance, whether it was
intended as such or not, can be considered sexual harassment.
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
09 May 2004 04:56:35 PM |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 02:15:37 +1000, raven1 wrote
(in article <aems9090bvvqa9el6pi2o2tqet1q8q799r@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:52:02 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment?
Yes. When in doubt, keep your lip zipped. Basically, anything that
*could* be construed as an unwelcome sexual advance, whether it was
intended as such or not, can be considered sexual harassment.
Same here - "I like how you have your hair today" is enough.
[Not enough to be sacked, probably, but enough for the complaint to
be put on file - with no need for it to be brought to the
"offender's" attention. It may become evidence of a pattern of
behaviour...]
At least, that's how the 'diversity in the workplace' policy was
explained to work here in State Govt.
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
10 May 2004 05:52:38 AM |
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 16:15:37 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:52:02 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment?
Yes. When in doubt, keep your lip zipped. Basically, anything that
*could* be construed as an unwelcome sexual advance, whether it was
intended as such or not, can be considered sexual harassment.
Maybe someone should start an Anti-Sex-Leage?
/reference
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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Q about sex harassment in the workplace |
09 May 2004 02:25:26 PM |
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 18:52:02 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment? Would it depend on how you said it?
Would it make a difference whether or not your were their boss or in
some other position of potential influence over them?
I can see just coming out and telling a co-worker, "I believe I'd
enjoy watching you have sex" as being sexual harassment. However,
when you choose to perform in such a thing of your own free will, it
seems to me the topic should no longer be verboten, not even in the
workplace. At least not at its first mentioning. If you'd mention it
to a coworker and they gave you, "I was young, foolish and needed the
money" (or any other indication that they weren't comfortable with the
subject), then it should drop and any subsequent talk on the matter
_might_ be a form of harassment. But the initial approach to the
subject - would/should that count as such?
I'd say no, my reasoning being that some porn actors are quite
comfortable with the subject and wouldn't mind discussing it one bit
(even if they don't broadcast that particular career for all the world
to hear) - but you can't know this unless you ask. Yet we all know
that legalese doesn't always follow realitese, so I was curious. I'm
also a bit curious how this might vary from cultural region to
cultural region, so don't let the fact that U.S. law is what applies
to me, personally, keep any of you non-U.S.ers from replying. I'm
interested.
Thanks as always, and later all! :-)
I work for a large corporation, and each year they insist we read (and
sign) the "code of conduct".
Religion, politics, sex, race, creed color etc is off limits. Of
course, people *do bring up "forbidden" subjects all the time and are
fortunate that it takes complaints before they face "disciplinary
action" which is usually dismissal these days.
There was a time I was brought up on charges each time I burped, until
I asked "how do you know it's me - you need a video camera and a
directional microphone for that". And that was in the lax days. Over a
decade ago.
If you must know, offer to meet for lunch, or a drink, and as long as
it's not on company property or company time, I think you'd be safe.
Of course that person would have to prove you watch porn, so you might
want to keep a copy of the movie to prove he/she is a porn star.
Sorry, but "tit for tat" in this overly PC litigious world.
drift
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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09 May 2004 01:37:34 PM |
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The tone of your remarks indicates that you consider performing in a 'porn
flick' to be morally incorrect. (I doubt, for example, that you'd have written
in the way you did if you'd seen the individual playing baseball professionally
and liked what you saw.)
As such, keep your mouth shut. If you don't, your feelings will show which
would almost certainly be harmful to a good workplace environment.
If you do say something, at least say it OFF COMPANY PREMISES.
Way off!
:-)
Jenny
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UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com (Uncle Dollar Bill) says
Suppose a co-worker performed in a porn flick. You saw it and you
liked it. If you mention this fact to them, could that be construed
to constitute sexual harassment? Would it depend on how you said it?
Would it make a difference whether or not your were their boss or in
some other position of potential influence over them?
I can see just coming out and telling a co-worker, "I believe I'd
enjoy watching you have sex" as being sexual harassment. However,
when you choose to perform in such a thing of your own free will, it
seems to me the topic should no longer be verboten, not even in the
workplace. At least not at its first mentioning. If you'd mention it
to a coworker and they gave you, "I was young, foolish and needed the
money" (or any other indication that they weren't comfortable with the
subject), then it should drop and any subsequent talk on the matter
_might_ be a form of harassment. But the initial approach to the
subject - would/should that count as such?
I'd say no, my reasoning being that some porn actors are quite
comfortable with the subject and wouldn't mind discussing it one bit
(even if they don't broadcast that particular career for all the world
to hear) - but you can't know this unless you ask. Yet we all know
that legalese doesn't always follow realitese, so I was curious. I'm
also a bit curious how this might vary from cultural region to
cultural region, so don't let the fact that U.S. law is what applies
to me, personally, keep any of you non-U.S.ers from replying. I'm
interested.
Thanks as always, and later all! :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
Before emailing, remove Clothes
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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09 May 2004 07:08:38 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 09 May 2004 18:37:34 GMT, jenny6833a@aol.comClothes
(Jenny6833A) wrote:
The tone of your remarks indicates that you consider performing in a 'porn
flick' to be morally incorrect. (I doubt, for example, that you'd have written
in the way you did if you'd seen the individual playing baseball professionally
and liked what you saw.)
Actually, I don't. But thanks for misjudging me. :-)
As such, keep your mouth shut. If you don't, your feelings will show which
would almost certainly be harmful to a good workplace environment.
My feelings are that such is perfectly acceptable. Does that mean I
can speak about it now? ;-)
If you do say something, at least say it OFF COMPANY PREMISES.
Way off!
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L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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