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"Therion Ware" |
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17 Nov 2005 04:26:08 PM |
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OT: Rome Episode 3. |
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
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| User: "Dale" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:01:23 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:j0bpn1laanrqjn9h2uf6c7l9hg8oldfc3q@4ax.com...
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Haven't seen the tv series, but if you like that you might look into Colleen
McCullough's Masters of Rome series. It's six books, covering the period
from 110 bce to 42 bce, Gaius Marius to young Octavian. Listed below are the
names of the books and their main subjects (if I recall correctly). The
author often goes into long expositions, where characters explain things at
length to each other that in real life they would already know and only
acknowledge with a few words. But after a while you get used to this and
accept it as part of your necessary education.
The First Man In Rome - Gaius Marius, Sulla
The Grass Crown - Gaius Marius, Sulla
Fortune's Favorites - Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Julius Caesar
Caesar's Women - Julius Caesar, Crassus, Pompey
Caesar - Julius Caesar, Pompey
The October Horse - Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Pompey, Octavian
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Rome Episode 3. |
17 Nov 2005 10:52:08 PM |
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Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:j0bpn1laanrqjn9h2uf6c7l9hg8oldfc3q@4ax.com...
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Haven't seen the tv series, but if you like that you might look into Colleen
McCullough's Masters of Rome series. It's six books, covering the period
from 110 bce to 42 bce, Gaius Marius to young Octavian. Listed below are the
names of the books and their main subjects (if I recall correctly). The
author often goes into long expositions, where characters explain things at
length to each other that in real life they would already know and only
acknowledge with a few words. But after a while you get used to this and
accept it as part of your necessary education.
The First Man In Rome - Gaius Marius, Sulla
The Grass Crown - Gaius Marius, Sulla
Fortune's Favorites - Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Julius Caesar
Caesar's Women - Julius Caesar, Crassus, Pompey
Caesar - Julius Caesar, Pompey
The October Horse - Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Pompey, Octavian
It's pretty good stuff and fairly solid historically. She does take
some
liberties, as anyone must with a historical set that long ago. Her
characterizations are brilliant. IMHO Sulla is the most interesting
character in the books but they all play well. It is apparent that she
was very much in love with the character of Julius Caesar but even
there she shows his flaws as well as his greatness. It is interesting
that of all of the characters the one you see the inside of best is
Octavian.
IMHO it remains the whole set remains the best of all historical
novels I've read. Prior to having read it I would have picked the
Robert Graves Claudius books and they're still great but McCullough
is better. Never thought I'd end up liking books by her after things
like "The Thorn Birds".
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| User: "Dale" |
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17 Nov 2005 11:31:32 PM |
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<maceanruig@astound.net> wrote in message
news:1132267928.626507.181990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
[...]
The First Man In Rome - Gaius Marius, Sulla
The Grass Crown - Gaius Marius, Sulla
Fortune's Favorites - Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Julius Caesar
Caesar's Women - Julius Caesar, Crassus, Pompey
Caesar - Julius Caesar, Pompey
The October Horse - Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Pompey, Octavian
It's pretty good stuff and fairly solid historically. She does take
some
liberties, as anyone must with a historical set that long ago. Her
characterizations are brilliant. IMHO Sulla is the most interesting
character in the books but they all play well. It is apparent that she
was very much in love with the character of Julius Caesar but even
there she shows his flaws as well as his greatness. It is interesting
that of all of the characters the one you see the inside of best is
Octavian.
IMHO it remains the whole set remains the best of all historical
novels I've read. Prior to having read it I would have picked the
Robert Graves Claudius books and they're still great but McCullough
is better. Never thought I'd end up liking books by her after things
like "The Thorn Birds".
Yeah, everybody remembers McCullough for Thorn Birds, but mostly for the tv
series, which I didn't watch much of because it just seemed like a prime
time soap opera, and so of course never read the novel. Pretty much everbody
has the same reaction when I tell them the author - "Oh, the Thorn Birds
lady?" in mildly disapproving tones. But my mom reads anything, and she
found The October Horse on a book trading table in her apartments and
recommended it for the flight home. I got hooked on the series, though I
have yet to read The Grass Crown, because I thought it might be too
depressing since it's mainly about Sulla, and I've have yet to break down
and pay full price for Caesar, having never found Caesar at Half-Price
Books.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Rome Episode 3. |
17 Nov 2005 11:59:24 PM |
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Dale wrote:
<maceanruig@astound.net> wrote in message
news:1132267928.626507.181990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
[...]
The First Man In Rome - Gaius Marius, Sulla
The Grass Crown - Gaius Marius, Sulla
Fortune's Favorites - Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Julius Caesar
Caesar's Women - Julius Caesar, Crassus, Pompey
Caesar - Julius Caesar, Pompey
The October Horse - Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Pompey, Octavian
It's pretty good stuff and fairly solid historically. She does take
some
liberties, as anyone must with a historical set that long ago. Her
characterizations are brilliant. IMHO Sulla is the most interesting
character in the books but they all play well. It is apparent that she
was very much in love with the character of Julius Caesar but even
there she shows his flaws as well as his greatness. It is interesting
that of all of the characters the one you see the inside of best is
Octavian.
IMHO it remains the whole set remains the best of all historical
novels I've read. Prior to having read it I would have picked the
Robert Graves Claudius books and they're still great but McCullough
is better. Never thought I'd end up liking books by her after things
like "The Thorn Birds".
Yeah, everybody remembers McCullough for Thorn Birds, but mostly for the tv
series, which I didn't watch much of because it just seemed like a prime
time soap opera, and so of course never read the novel. Pretty much everbody
has the same reaction when I tell them the author - "Oh, the Thorn Birds
lady?" in mildly disapproving tones. But my mom reads anything, and she
found The October Horse on a book trading table in her apartments and
recommended it for the flight home. I got hooked on the series, though I
have yet to read The Grass Crown, because I thought it might be too
depressing since it's mainly about Sulla, and I've have yet to break down
and pay full price for Caesar, having never found Caesar at Half-Price
Books.
I suppose The Grass Crown could be a bit depressing but I found it one
of the better ones. It details McCullough's take on how and why Marius
and Sulla came to fight each other and how Sulla won his grass crown.
It also has a fair amount of stuff about the young Julius and Pompey
and
Cicero.
I often go to Half-Price books myself in Concord, CA. we may be
neighbors,
more or less.
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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19 Nov 2005 08:53:15 PM |
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Op Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:31:32 +0100 schreef Dale <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net>:
<maceanruig@astound.net> wrote in message
news:1132267928.626507.181990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
[...]
The First Man In Rome - Gaius Marius, Sulla
The Grass Crown - Gaius Marius, Sulla
Fortune's Favorites - Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Julius Caesar
Caesar's Women - Julius Caesar, Crassus, Pompey
Caesar - Julius Caesar, Pompey
The October Horse - Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Pompey, Octavian
It's pretty good stuff and fairly solid historically. She does take
some
liberties, as anyone must with a historical set that long ago. Her
characterizations are brilliant. IMHO Sulla is the most interesting
character in the books but they all play well. It is apparent that she
was very much in love with the character of Julius Caesar but even
there she shows his flaws as well as his greatness. It is interesting
that of all of the characters the one you see the inside of best is
Octavian.
IMHO it remains the whole set remains the best of all historical
novels I've read. Prior to having read it I would have picked the
Robert Graves Claudius books and they're still great but McCullough
is better. Never thought I'd end up liking books by her after things
like "The Thorn Birds".
Yeah, everybody remembers McCullough for Thorn Birds, but mostly for the
tv
series, which I didn't watch much of because it just seemed like a prime
time soap opera, and so of course never read the novel. Pretty much
everbody
has the same reaction when I tell them the author - "Oh, the Thorn Birds
lady?" in mildly disapproving tones. But my mom reads anything, and she
found The October Horse on a book trading table in her apartments and
recommended it for the flight home. I got hooked on the series, though I
have yet to read The Grass Crown, because I thought it might be too
depressing since it's mainly about Sulla, and I've have yet to break down
and pay full price for Caesar, having never found Caesar at Half-Price
Books.
Buy and read them all, I highly recommend them. :-D
--
Hannele
aa #2221
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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17 Nov 2005 10:45:49 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:j0bpn1laanrqjn9h2uf6c7l9hg8oldfc3q@4ax.com...
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Haven't seen the tv series, but if you like that you might look into
Colleen McCullough's Masters of Rome series. It's six books,
covering the period from 110 bce to 42 bce, Gaius Marius to young
Octavian. Listed below are the names of the books and their main
subjects (if I recall correctly). The author often goes into long
expositions, where characters explain things at length to each other
that in real life they would already know and only acknowledge with
a few words. But after a while you get used to this and accept it as
part of your necessary education.
The First Man In Rome - Gaius Marius, Sulla
The Grass Crown - Gaius Marius, Sulla
Fortune's Favorites - Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Julius Caesar
Caesar's Women - Julius Caesar, Crassus, Pompey
Caesar - Julius Caesar, Pompey
The October Horse - Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Pompey, Octavian
Those are historical novels, right?
Probably the most highly recommended of historical novels -- on *any*
topic -- is Robert Graves' _I, Claudius_, though it starts with
Augustus on center stage, well after Julius was killed.
Also recommended is Suetonius' history, published in English as
_The Twelve Caesars_.
Both -- and probably anything else you read or watch on the topic --
should be read with a salt shaker close to hand. Graves' story line
about all the poisonings is, AFAIK, just his hypothesis about why
so many people in the imperial succession died instead of becoming
the next emperor, though much of the other hardball stuff is pretty
well documented. As for Suetonius, he hauls out all the dirty linen
you could hope to smell, though I suspect (without evidence) that
lots of it -- perhaps most of it -- is political slander of the Fast
Boat type.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Dale" |
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17 Nov 2005 11:04:44 PM |
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"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:dlj16r$pe0$4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote:
[...]
The First Man In Rome - Gaius Marius, Sulla
The Grass Crown - Gaius Marius, Sulla
Fortune's Favorites - Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Julius Caesar
Caesar's Women - Julius Caesar, Crassus, Pompey
Caesar - Julius Caesar, Pompey
The October Horse - Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Pompey, Octavian
Those are historical novels, right?
Yes, with good character development, and lots of details about everyday
life, and like I said, expositions to explain how things got this way, or
why certain people behave the way they do. The interesting thing to me is
how, at least in McCullough's view, the end of the Republic was made
inevitable by the system itself, combined with the actions of the most
prominent Romans. Julius Caesar comes out seeming almost godlike, but in a
believable way. He towers above his contemporaries, but then when you
reflect on how many top Romans were killed by Gaius Marius and Sulla, you
wonder if maybe it wasn't such a difficult feat to tower over those who
remained.
Probably the most highly recommended of historical novels -- on *any*
topic -- is Robert Graves' _I, Claudius_, though it starts with
Augustus on center stage, well after Julius was killed.
I never read the novel but I loved the series.
Also recommended is Suetonius' history, published in English as
_The Twelve Caesars_.
Both -- and probably anything else you read or watch on the topic --
should be read with a salt shaker close to hand. Graves' story line
about all the poisonings is, AFAIK, just his hypothesis about why
so many people in the imperial succession died instead of becoming
the next emperor, though much of the other hardball stuff is pretty
well documented. As for Suetonius, he hauls out all the dirty linen
you could hope to smell, though I suspect (without evidence) that
lots of it -- perhaps most of it -- is political slander of the Fast
Boat type.
The nice thing about McCullough's novels is that her characters seem like
real people, so you're always at least partly sympathetic even when they do
questionable things.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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22 Nov 2005 04:59:30 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:04:44 GMT, in talk.origins , "Dale"
<dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> in
<g08ff.16635$7h7.10320@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:dlj16r$pe0$4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote:
[...]
The First Man In Rome - Gaius Marius, Sulla
The Grass Crown - Gaius Marius, Sulla
Fortune's Favorites - Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Julius Caesar
Caesar's Women - Julius Caesar, Crassus, Pompey
Caesar - Julius Caesar, Pompey
The October Horse - Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Pompey, Octavian
Those are historical novels, right?
Yes, with good character development, and lots of details about everyday
life, and like I said, expositions to explain how things got this way, or
why certain people behave the way they do. The interesting thing to me is
how, at least in McCullough's view, the end of the Republic was made
inevitable by the system itself, combined with the actions of the most
prominent Romans. Julius Caesar comes out seeming almost godlike, but in a
believable way. He towers above his contemporaries, but then when you
reflect on how many top Romans were killed by Gaius Marius and Sulla, you
wonder if maybe it wasn't such a difficult feat to tower over those who
remained.
The only major problem with her series is that she is so clearly in
love with Caesar. She gives him all modern virtues, he does not simply
tower, he towers among modern greats. But I skip right over that.
Probably the most highly recommended of historical novels -- on *any*
topic -- is Robert Graves' _I, Claudius_, though it starts with
Augustus on center stage, well after Julius was killed.
I never read the novel but I loved the series.
Also recommended is Suetonius' history, published in English as
_The Twelve Caesars_.
Both -- and probably anything else you read or watch on the topic --
should be read with a salt shaker close to hand. Graves' story line
about all the poisonings is, AFAIK, just his hypothesis about why
so many people in the imperial succession died instead of becoming
the next emperor, though much of the other hardball stuff is pretty
well documented. As for Suetonius, he hauls out all the dirty linen
you could hope to smell, though I suspect (without evidence) that
lots of it -- perhaps most of it -- is political slander of the Fast
Boat type.
The nice thing about McCullough's novels is that her characters seem like
real people, so you're always at least partly sympathetic even when they do
questionable things.
She has a novelist's understanding that the story and characters,
unlike life, must make sense. She gives rational to actions. They may
not be the ones that actually occurred, but they are not arbitrary.
Nor does she change the facts to fit her story.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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22 Nov 2005 04:55:59 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:45:49 +0000 (UTC), in talk.origins ,
bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu (Bobby D. Bryant) in
<dlj16r$pe0$4@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:j0bpn1laanrqjn9h2uf6c7l9hg8oldfc3q@4ax.com...
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Haven't seen the tv series, but if you like that you might look into
Colleen McCullough's Masters of Rome series. It's six books,
covering the period from 110 bce to 42 bce, Gaius Marius to young
Octavian. Listed below are the names of the books and their main
subjects (if I recall correctly). The author often goes into long
expositions, where characters explain things at length to each other
that in real life they would already know and only acknowledge with
a few words. But after a while you get used to this and accept it as
part of your necessary education.
The First Man In Rome - Gaius Marius, Sulla
The Grass Crown - Gaius Marius, Sulla
Fortune's Favorites - Sulla, Pompey, Crassus, Julius Caesar
Caesar's Women - Julius Caesar, Crassus, Pompey
Caesar - Julius Caesar, Pompey
The October Horse - Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Pompey, Octavian
Those are historical novels, right?
Probably the most highly recommended of historical novels -- on *any*
topic -- is Robert Graves' _I, Claudius_, though it starts with
Augustus on center stage, well after Julius was killed.
Also recommended is Suetonius' history, published in English as
_The Twelve Caesars_.
Having read all three I recommend all three. I would also suspect that
they are accurate in decreasing order: McCullough, Graves, Suetonius.
Both -- and probably anything else you read or watch on the topic --
should be read with a salt shaker close to hand. Graves' story line
about all the poisonings is, AFAIK, just his hypothesis about why
so many people in the imperial succession died instead of becoming
the next emperor, though much of the other hardball stuff is pretty
well documented. As for Suetonius, he hauls out all the dirty linen
you could hope to smell, though I suspect (without evidence) that
lots of it -- perhaps most of it -- is political slander of the Fast
Boat type.
Yep. McCullough has really done her homework here though. There is
lots of archaeological background behind her stories. I would not see
the story, per se, as accurate. It is far to detailed for that, she
was writing a novel after all. The background, the city and politics
and technology and such, is probably as good as we can get.
Oh, and the books are fun and interesting. But read Graves as well.
(And _Claudius the God_.)
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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17 Nov 2005 05:49:51 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:26:08 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Guess you are watching BBC2 :)
I'm already up to episode 11.
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| User: "dkomo" |
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17 Nov 2005 05:38:52 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Nov 2005 05:59:18 PM |
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"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
LOL, that's what I was thinking
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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18 Nov 2005 07:39:56 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:59:18 -0500 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
LOL, that's what I was thinking
Alas we seem to be running behind you guys! By about a century or so,
in so far as I can tell....
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| User: "Alexander" |
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18 Nov 2005 08:04:00 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:59:18 -0500 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
LOL, that's what I was thinking
Alas we seem to be running behind you guys! By about a century or so,
in so far as I can tell....
Oh I dunno - they still have court cases over ID you know
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| User: "dkomo" |
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18 Nov 2005 02:54:01 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:59:18 -0500 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fY2dnXT1wuCzXeHenZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
LOL, that's what I was thinking
Alas we seem to be running behind you guys! By about a century or so,
in so far as I can tell....
That's because like Rome, the UK once had an empire which collapsed and
dark ages followed.
I wonder if there is a lesson in this for the US? Hmmm...
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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17 Nov 2005 10:47:13 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
LOL, that's what I was thinking
I suspect that they're running the show on a different schedule in the
UK, where Therion is.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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17 Nov 2005 05:57:45 PM |
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dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> writes:
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
I thought there were only 11 episodes in season 1. Anyway, my
wife and I finally sat down to watch Ep 1 on the TiVo last night.
Elf
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| User: "news\.zen\.co\.uk" |
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17 Nov 2005 05:52:52 PM |
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dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I did.
It's cracking.
--dkomo@cris.com
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17 Nov 2005 06:49:41 PM |
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news.zen.co.uk wrote:
dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I did.
It's cracking.
Well you guys should love it. It's got mostly British actors and Pulo,
I believe, is Australian. So everybody goes around speaking with rich
British accents, making the Romans sound noble indeed even if their
deeds make them look like barbarians.
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| User: "Noone Inparticular" |
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17 Nov 2005 07:14:50 PM |
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dkomo wrote:
news.zen.co.uk wrote:
dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I did.
It's cracking.
Well you guys should love it. It's got mostly British actors and Pulo,
I believe, is Australian. So everybody goes around speaking with rich
British accents, making the Romans sound noble indeed even if their
deeds make them look like barbarians.
A British accent makes someone sound noble?!?!?!
--dkomo@cris.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Nov 2005 08:30:46 PM |
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"Noone Inparticular" <unreve89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dkomo wrote:
news.zen.co.uk wrote:
dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I did.
It's cracking.
Well you guys should love it. It's got mostly British actors and Pulo,
I believe, is Australian. So everybody goes around speaking with rich
British accents, making the Romans sound noble indeed even if their
deeds make them look like barbarians.
A British accent makes someone sound noble?!?!?!
Much better than a Brooklyn accent ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Noone Inparticular" |
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17 Nov 2005 08:40:13 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Noone Inparticular" <unreve89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132254890.069292.140130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
dkomo wrote:
news.zen.co.uk wrote:
dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I did.
It's cracking.
Well you guys should love it. It's got mostly British actors and Pulo,
I believe, is Australian. So everybody goes around speaking with rich
British accents, making the Romans sound noble indeed even if their
deeds make them look like barbarians.
A British accent makes someone sound noble?!?!?!
Much better than a Brooklyn accent ;)
Sez youz, fugeddaboudidit
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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17 Nov 2005 09:29:47 PM |
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"Noone Inparticular" <unreve89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Noone Inparticular" <unreve89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132254890.069292.140130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
dkomo wrote:
news.zen.co.uk wrote:
dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd
have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode
were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now.
Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I
did.
It's cracking.
Well you guys should love it. It's got mostly British actors and
Pulo,
I believe, is Australian. So everybody goes around speaking with rich
British accents, making the Romans sound noble indeed even if their
deeds make them look like barbarians.
A British accent makes someone sound noble?!?!?!
Much better than a Brooklyn accent ;)
Sez youz, fugeddaboudidit
Hey! I'm from Joisey. Bada boom, bada bing ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Alexander" |
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17 Nov 2005 08:35:59 PM |
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"Noone Inparticular" <unreve89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dkomo wrote:
news.zen.co.uk wrote:
dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I did.
It's cracking.
Well you guys should love it. It's got mostly British actors and Pulo,
I believe, is Australian. So everybody goes around speaking with rich
British accents, making the Romans sound noble indeed even if their
deeds make them look like barbarians.
A British accent makes someone sound noble?!?!?!
Oh yeah - especially if you're from the east end
'you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.'
--dkomo@cris.com
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:11:10 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:35:59 +0000 (UTC), "Alexander"
<alexanderhudson@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Noone Inparticular" <unreve89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132254890.069292.140130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
dkomo wrote:
news.zen.co.uk wrote:
dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I did.
It's cracking.
Well you guys should love it. It's got mostly British actors and Pulo,
I believe, is Australian. So everybody goes around speaking with rich
British accents, making the Romans sound noble indeed even if their
deeds make them look like barbarians.
A British accent makes someone sound noble?!?!?!
Oh yeah - especially if you're from the east end
'you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.'
Now that scene beats the whole of 'Rome' thus far for
sheer entertainment value!
I am going off it. The sex and nude scenes really are grauitous
(not that I am against a bit of tit and bum) and the dialogue poor.
How they justify the cost of this bit of plodding costume drama is
beyond me. I rate it as just good enough to pass an hour but it
certainly does not get to the heights of "I Claudius" or
"The Borgias" It is turning into a bit of a yawn.
Shakespeare's JC is far better drama than this
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Alexander" |
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17 Nov 2005 09:36:42 PM |
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"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:35:59 +0000 (UTC), "Alexander"
<alexanderhudson@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Noone Inparticular" <unreve89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132254890.069292.140130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
dkomo wrote:
news.zen.co.uk wrote:
dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode
were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I did.
It's cracking.
Well you guys should love it. It's got mostly British actors and Pulo,
I believe, is Australian. So everybody goes around speaking with rich
British accents, making the Romans sound noble indeed even if their
deeds make them look like barbarians.
A British accent makes someone sound noble?!?!?!
Oh yeah - especially if you're from the east end
'you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.'
Now that scene beats the whole of 'Rome' thus far for
sheer entertainment value!
I am going off it. The sex and nude scenes really are grauitous
(not that I am against a bit of tit and bum) and the dialogue poor.
How they justify the cost of this bit of plodding costume drama is
beyond me. I rate it as just good enough to pass an hour but it
certainly does not get to the heights of "I Claudius" or
"The Borgias" It is turning into a bit of a yawn.
I was thinking of I Claudius myself when I was watching it last night.
Derek Jacobi was pretty stunning and you can forgive the slightly less
lavish sets and production values due to the outstanding cast and script.
Rome is essentially historical soap opera - it's good at what it's trying to
do but it's possibly trying too hard to recreate the 'feel' of another
culture ('Do stay for another Dormouse centurion') ... some of it almost
teeters toward Carry On in places.
But I have to confess I'm pretty hooked - there are some really strong
performances lurking in between the hamming and manly chest beating and the
underlying presentation doesn't seem too shoddy (the attention to detail is
something I like - but not being a Roman historian I have no idea how
authentic it actually is). We'll see - there's a lot of episodes and plenty
of chances to fizzle out completely. I'll keep watching for the duration
.... there's bugger else on right now anyway.
Shakespeare's JC is far better drama than this
Also true - but WS was a shameless panderer to the public as well.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "maff" |
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17 Nov 2005 10:11:08 PM |
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Alexander wrote:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:3rrpn1dvp718hbbih418gu0tdlaqm87dlr@4ax.com...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:35:59 +0000 (UTC), "Alexander"
<alexanderhudson@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Noone Inparticular" <unreve89@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132254890.069292.140130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
dkomo wrote:
news.zen.co.uk wrote:
dkomo wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, if Julius Caesar was my CEO, or general, or leader, he'd have
my total and absolute allegiance. At least if the latest episode
were
real life...
Is this the HBO series? It's somewhere on episode 12 right now. Did
your post come through a time warp or something?
My, my, how parochial :)
I think he's probably in the UK and watched it last night like I did.
It's cracking.
Well you guys should love it. It's got mostly British actors and Pulo,
I believe, is Australian. So everybody goes around speaking with rich
British accents, making the Romans sound noble indeed even if their
deeds make them look like barbarians.
A British accent makes someone sound noble?!?!?!
Oh yeah - especially if you're from the east end
'you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.'
Now that scene beats the whole of 'Rome' thus far for
sheer entertainment value!
I am going off it. The sex and nude scenes really are grauitous
(not that I am against a bit of tit and bum) and the dialogue poor.
How they justify the cost of this bit of plodding costume drama is
beyond me. I rate it as just good enough to pass an hour but it
certainly does not get to the heights of "I Claudius" or
"The Borgias" It is turning into a bit of a yawn.
I was thinking of I Claudius myself when I was watching it last night.
Derek Jacobi was pretty stunning and you can forgive the slightly less
lavish sets and production values due to the outstanding cast and script.
Rome is essentially historical soap opera - it's good at what it's trying to
do but it's possibly trying too hard to recreate the 'feel' of another
culture ('Do stay for another Dormouse centurion') ... some of it almost
teeters toward Carry On in places.
But I have to confess I'm pretty hooked - there are some really strong
performances lurking in between the hamming and manly chest beating and the
underlying presentation doesn't seem too shoddy (the attention to detail is
something I like - but not being a Roman historian I have no idea how
Hail Caesar
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1606415,00.html
authentic it actually is). We'll see - there's a lot of episodes and plenty
of chances to fizzle out completely. I'll keep watching for the duration
... there's bugger else on right now anyway.
Shakespeare's JC is far better drama than this
Also true - but WS was a shameless panderer to the public as well.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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17 Nov 2005 10:31:11 PM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
I am going off it. The sex and nude scenes really are grauitous
(not that I am against a bit of tit and bum) and the dialogue poor.
How they justify the cost of this bit of plodding costume drama is
beyond me. I rate it as just good enough to pass an hour but it
certainly does not get to the heights of "I Claudius" or
"The Borgias" It is turning into a bit of a yawn.
The subplot of Titus Pullo and Vorenus is worth the bother. I also like
Octavian as a Nerd. By the way in the opening two minutes of writhing
moving grafitti there is a homage to I CLAVDIVS. See if you can spot it.
Bob Kolker
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18 Nov 2005 02:20:36 PM |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Les Hellawell wrote:
I am going off it. The sex and nude scenes really are grauitous
(not that I am against a bit of tit and bum) and the dialogue poor.
How they justify the cost of this bit of plodding costume drama is
beyond me. I rate it as just good enough to pass an hour but it
certainly does not get to the heights of "I Claudius" or
"The Borgias" It is turning into a bit of a yawn.
The subplot of Titus Pullo and Vorenus is worth the bother. I also like
Octavian as a Nerd. By the way in the opening two minutes of writhing
moving grafitti there is a homage to I CLAVDIVS. See if you can spot it.
Hmmm.....Titus Pullo <drool>
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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18 Nov 2005 11:35:46 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
Hmmm.....Titus Pullo <drool>
He's mine! Mine! Mineminemine!!!!!
Brenda "Very jealous of Cleopatra" Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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