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"Therion Ware" |
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03 Nov 2005 05:19:23 PM |
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OT: Rome. |
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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03 Nov 2005 06:32:20 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Which episode? We're up to #9 here.
I know we sometimes get shows before you, just as you
sometimes get shows before us.
If we're ahead of you then, well, fly over! All the episodes
are still available "onDemand."
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| User: "Iain" |
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03 Nov 2005 10:33:51 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Which episode? We're up to #9 here.
I know we sometimes get shows before you, just as you
sometimes get shows before us.
Except we usually get our own shows(e.g. Rome) first -- but not this
time.
~Iain
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| User: "JTEM" |
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04 Nov 2005 11:25:13 AM |
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"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote
I know we sometimes get shows before you, just as you
sometimes get shows before us.
Except we usually get our own shows(e.g. Rome) first -- but
not this time.
"Own shows" is a bit of a stretch this time, seeing how it's
co-produced by HBO.
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| User: "Dale" |
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03 Nov 2005 10:15:31 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
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| User: "Ash" |
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05 Nov 2005 12:21:41 AM |
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Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
What accents should they have?
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05 Nov 2005 12:53:13 AM |
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Ash wrote:
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
What accents should they have?
Was the Di Caprio & Danes version of R & J set in Italy? If so, that
glosses over the linguistic red herring.
~Iain
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03 Nov 2005 10:25:48 PM |
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Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
DO YOU HAVE PROBLEM WITH BRITISH ACCENT???
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| User: "Dale" |
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04 Nov 2005 05:41:33 AM |
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<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1131056748.399783.127570@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
DO YOU HAVE PROBLEM WITH BRITISH ACCENT???
I'm sorry, I meant to say: "Is that the one where everyone has faggy British
accents?"
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| User: "Olrik" |
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04 Nov 2005 04:38:14 AM |
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wrote:
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
DO YOU HAVE PROBLEM WITH BRITISH ACCENT???
Man, you are humourless.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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03 Nov 2005 10:33:40 PM |
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On 3 Nov 2005 14:25:48 -0800, in alt.atheism
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote in
<1131056748.399783.127570@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
DO YOU HAVE PROBLEM WITH BRITISH ACCENT???
Why would Death ask about this?
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| User: "Iain" |
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03 Nov 2005 10:35:35 PM |
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David Jensen wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 14:25:48 -0800, in alt.atheism
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote in
<1131056748.399783.127570@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
DO YOU HAVE PROBLEM WITH BRITISH ACCENT???
Why would Death ask about this?
Death? Anger? Why such misplaced themes? Am I missing something?
~Iain
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03 Nov 2005 11:06:39 PM |
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On 3 Nov 2005 14:35:35 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1131057335.467579.160550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
David Jensen wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 14:25:48 -0800, in alt.atheism
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote in
<1131056748.399783.127570@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
DO YOU HAVE PROBLEM WITH BRITISH ACCENT???
Why would Death ask about this?
Death? Anger? Why such misplaced themes? Am I missing something?
Terry Pratchett's Death always speaks in CAPITAL LETTERS.
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| User: "Iain" |
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03 Nov 2005 10:32:23 PM |
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Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
It's British made for British television, starring British actors,
produced by the British Broadcasting Corporation, in Britain.
Even the horses were British. Don't believe me?
Horse: "Ya, I'm British."
Ok?
~Iain
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| User: "Dale" |
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04 Nov 2005 05:48:50 AM |
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"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131057143.890847.45510@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
It's British made for British television, starring British actors,
produced by the British Broadcasting Corporation, in Britain.
Oh, yeah, like that's an excuse.
Actually, the joke is, Ancient Romans in movies ALWAYS have British accents,
even in movies made in Hollywood.
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| User: "Iain" |
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04 Nov 2005 08:55:26 AM |
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Dale wrote:
"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131057143.890847.45510@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
It's British made for British television, starring British actors,
produced by the British Broadcasting Corporation, in Britain.
Oh, yeah, like that's an excuse.
Actually, the joke is, Ancient Romans in movies ALWAYS have British accents,
even in movies made in Hollywood.
I think the reason for that is that the audience is American, and
therefore the filmmakers suppose that their own various regional
accents would be a red herring to the American audience, which would
bring out their various local prejudices, etc. British accents present
a "foreign but clear" feel.
It sometimes confuses British audiences, though. I was left wondering
how four hobbits that grew up together could have accents as different
as the West Country(Sam), the Glaswegian(Pippin), and the
Recieved(Frodo and Merry).
~Iain
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| User: "kathryn" |
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04 Nov 2005 06:04:19 PM |
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"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131094526.837383.228590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131057143.890847.45510@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
It's British made for British television, starring British actors,
produced by the British Broadcasting Corporation, in Britain.
Oh, yeah, like that's an excuse.
Actually, the joke is, Ancient Romans in movies ALWAYS have British
accents,
even in movies made in Hollywood.
I think the reason for that is that the audience is American, and
therefore the filmmakers suppose that their own various regional
accents would be a red herring to the American audience, which would
bring out their various local prejudices, etc. British accents present
a "foreign but clear" feel.
It sometimes confuses British audiences, though. I was left wondering
how four hobbits that grew up together could have accents as different
as the West Country(Sam), the Glaswegian(Pippin), and the
Recieved(Frodo and Merry).
~Iain
I always assumed it was because the romans are usually portrayed as evil and
most bad guys have an English accent.
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05 Nov 2005 12:23:24 AM |
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Iain wrote:
Dale wrote:
"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131057143.890847.45510@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
It's British made for British television, starring British actors,
produced by the British Broadcasting Corporation, in Britain.
Oh, yeah, like that's an excuse.
Actually, the joke is, Ancient Romans in movies ALWAYS have British accents,
even in movies made in Hollywood.
I think the reason for that is that the audience is American, and
therefore the filmmakers suppose that their own various regional
accents would be a red herring to the American audience, which would
bring out their various local prejudices, etc. British accents present
a "foreign but clear" feel.
It sometimes confuses British audiences, though. I was left wondering
how four hobbits that grew up together could have accents as different
as the West Country(Sam), the Glaswegian(Pippin), and the
Recieved(Frodo and Merry).
I sort of wondered that myself.
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04 Nov 2005 01:22:40 PM |
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On 4 Nov 2005 00:55:26 -0800, "Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dale wrote:
"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131057143.890847.45510@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
It's British made for British television, starring British actors,
produced by the British Broadcasting Corporation, in Britain.
Oh, yeah, like that's an excuse.
Actually, the joke is, Ancient Romans in movies ALWAYS have British accents,
even in movies made in Hollywood.
I think the reason for that is that the audience is American, and
therefore the filmmakers suppose that their own various regional
accents would be a red herring to the American audience, which would
bring out their various local prejudices, etc. British accents present
a "foreign but clear" feel.
It sometimes confuses British audiences, though. I was left wondering
how four hobbits that grew up together could have accents as different
as the West Country(Sam), the Glaswegian(Pippin), and the
Recieved(Frodo and Merry).
Stereotypes are big in film making.
That was basically to showthey were 'Provincial' and therefore
unsophisticated simple folk. They usually use Norfolk accents when
they want country bumpkins, Cockney for, 'always cheerful in adversity
types' (the standard accent badly done in Hollywood when they want to
recruit an American to play an Englishman). Of course sophisticated
people like Gandalf always have a southern 'lardy-dar' type accent.
The further from London we get the less sophisticated we are it seems.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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04 Nov 2005 04:37:28 AM |
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Iain wrote:
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
It's British made for British television, starring British actors,
produced by the British Broadcasting Corporation, in Britain.
Even the horses were British. Don't believe me?
Horse: "Ya, I'm British."
You can tell by looking at their teeth.
;-)
Ok?
~Iain
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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05 Nov 2005 12:22:23 AM |
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Olrik wrote:
Iain wrote:
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
It's British made for British television, starring British actors,
produced by the British Broadcasting Corporation, in Britain.
Even the horses were British. Don't believe me?
Horse: "Ya, I'm British."
You can tell by looking at their teeth.
yeah, hardly any bleached white
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04 Nov 2005 01:06:50 PM |
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On 3 Nov 2005 14:32:23 -0800, "Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dale wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:9jhkm1pu3uur5g3ac75c0bhju43gqkhfk1@4ax.com...
Anyone see this on BBC 2 last night?
I was rather impressed.
Is that the one where everyone has British accents?
It's British made for British television, starring British actors,
produced by the British Broadcasting Corporation, in Britain.
Its a BBC US co-production with costs shared half way.
It was filmed in Italy
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384766/
Even the horses were British. Don't believe me?
Horse: "Ya, I'm British."
'cosi?'
"No, Sono Italiam"
Ok?
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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04 Nov 2005 01:35:01 PM |
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So if the new HBO/BBC production of "Rome"
follows the usual post-democracy American
standards, Christianity will find it's way to the
city, ridding the people of their evil ways.
As a matter of fact, I was trying to bet a friend
that this would happen before the series ends.
He wouldn't take the bet.
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| User: "Arturo Magidin" |
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| Title: Re: Rome again (Re: Rome.) |
04 Nov 2005 01:41:06 PM |
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In article <1rGdnSbfEdmJ_vbeRVn-qQ@comcast.com>,
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
So if the new HBO/BBC production of "Rome"
follows the usual post-democracy American
standards, Christianity will find it's way to the
city, ridding the people of their evil ways.
As a matter of fact, I was trying to bet a friend
that this would happen before the series ends.
He wouldn't take the bet.
I doubt it. You would have to go through Augustus (who right now is
still a gawky teenager), Tiberius, Caligula, and Claudius before
Christianity makes its way into Rome. I strongly suspect the series
will finish well before Claudius, since _I, Claudius_ is such an icon.
The thing I find hardest to grasp in the production is that Octavian
will grow up to be Brian Blessed.
--
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"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about
what I accept as reality."
--- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes")
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Arturo Magidin
magidin@math.berkeley.edu
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04 Nov 2005 01:58:07 PM |
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"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote
The thing I find hardest to grasp in the production is that
Octavian will grow up to be Brian Blessed.
Huh?
I think you got me. You're talking about "I, Claudius." Right?
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| User: "Arturo Magidin" |
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04 Nov 2005 03:08:08 PM |
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In article <tPednWvHSrD5-_beRVn-rw@comcast.com>,
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote
The thing I find hardest to grasp in the production is that
Octavian will grow up to be Brian Blessed.
Huh?
I think you got me. You're talking about "I, Claudius." Right?
Yes. Octavian was the "real name" of Augustus, before he changed his
name to celebrate some victory or other. So that pensive little
golden-haired boy will join Mark Antony after Caesar is assassinated,
he is part of the triumvirate that takes over, and he eventually
defeats Mark Antony at Actium and marries Livia (whom I have been
keeping an eye out for in the series, but I think she hasn't been
shown yet).
And Brian Blessed played Augustus in "I, Claudius".
--
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"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about
what I accept as reality."
--- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes")
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Arturo Magidin
magidin@math.berkeley.edu
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04 Nov 2005 03:28:02 PM |
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"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote
Yes. Octavian was the "real name" of Augustus, before he
changed his name to celebrate some victory or other.
Yes. I know. But for a moment I took you literally, and thought
that you were saying Brian Blessed was going to be playing
the character in later episodes of the "Rome" series.
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04 Nov 2005 03:25:16 PM |
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In article <hLSdnbdfnOPq5vbeRVn-oQ@comcast.com>,
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote
Yes. Octavian was the "real name" of Augustus, before he
changed his name to celebrate some victory or other.
Yes. I know. But for a moment I took you literally, and thought
that you were saying Brian Blessed was going to be playing
the character in later episodes of the "Rome" series.
That would be a nice homage; and no need for all that somewhat
unrealistic mid-70s ageing make-up, either. (-:
--
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"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about
what I accept as reality."
--- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes")
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Arturo Magidin
magidin@math.berkeley.edu
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04 Nov 2005 06:48:24 PM |
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Arturo Magidin wrote:
In article <tPednWvHSrD5-_beRVn-rw@comcast.com>,
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote
The thing I find hardest to grasp in the production is that
Octavian will grow up to be Brian Blessed.
Huh?
I think you got me. You're talking about "I, Claudius." Right?
Yes. Octavian was the "real name" of Augustus, before he changed his
name to celebrate some victory or other. So that pensive little
golden-haired boy will join Mark Antony after Caesar is assassinated,
he is part of the triumvirate that takes over, and he eventually
defeats Mark Antony at Actium and marries Livia (whom I have been
keeping an eye out for in the series, but I think she hasn't been
shown yet).
Wasn't Augustus a title rater than a name? From Durant (Vol. III, p 214):
The Senate countered his [Octavian's] abdication with its own, returned
to him nearly all of his powers, implored him to continue his guidance of
the state, and conferred on him the title of <i>Augustus</i> which history
has mistaken as his name.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| Title: Re: Rome again (Re: Rome.) |
04 Nov 2005 07:05:06 PM |
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In article <Y1Oaf.1180$bU3.365567@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Arturo Magidin wrote:
Wasn't Augustus a title rater than a name? From Durant (Vol. III, p 214):
Yes and no. It was originally conferred as a title; but it is my
understanding that when he was named imperium proconsulare maius
(essentially, when he assumed the Empire) four years later, he took
the position under the name of Caesar Augustus.
It was common practice in Rome for "titles" or nicknames to become
"names".
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"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about
what I accept as reality."
--- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes")
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Arturo Magidin
magidin@math.berkeley.edu
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| Title: Re: Rome again (Re: Rome.) |
06 Nov 2005 09:51:27 AM |
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Arturo Magidin wrote:
In article <tPednWvHSrD5-_beRVn-rw@comcast.com>,
JTEM <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Arturo Magidin" <magidin@math.berkeley.edu> wrote
The thing I find hardest to grasp in the production is that
Octavian will grow up to be Brian Blessed.
Huh?
I think you got me. You're talking about "I, Claudius." Right?
Yes. Octavian was the "real name" of Augustus, before he changed his
name to celebrate some victory or other. So that pensive little
golden-haired boy will join Mark Antony after Caesar is assassinated,
he is part of the triumvirate that takes over, and he eventually
defeats Mark Antony at Actium and marries Livia (whom I have been
keeping an eye out for in the series, but I think she hasn't been
shown yet).
And Brian Blessed played Augustus in "I, Claudius".
My father was remarking recently upon watching I, Claudius, that the
B.B.C. never actually makes large, propor, epic plays anymore. Do you
think Rome might be a return to form?
Also, why was I, Claudius so....dark and fragile looking....as if there
were never really four walls at any one time?
~Iain
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