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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Mar 2006 11:33:22 PM |
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OT: Snork, snicker, guffaw... |
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
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Mark K. Bilbo
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I just love this...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
Um... didn't foresee what exactly?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CA129BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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23 Mar 2006 07:35:22 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net:
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who
always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to
the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a
conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2006/03/social_science_.html#comment
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Social Science Mis-Reporting and the Value of Skepticism
On Monday, the Toronto Star printed an article which delighted liberals
and lit up the conservative blogosphere with indignation. In the
article, How to spot a baby conservative, Kurt Kleiner reports on a
study in the Journal of Research Into Personality which purports to
show that:
Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who
always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to
the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a
conservative.
At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area
that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The
confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.
Apparently, Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block
(now deceased) have been following approximately 100 young people from
nursery school to the present as part of a general study of personality.
Unfortunately there is no link to the original article and I could not
find the Journal of Research Into Personality on-line. As I have stated
in the past, newspaper reports of scientific articles that do not link
to the original article are highly suspect and should never be
considered valid or reliabe without extensive clarifying information.
Reading the entire article brings to mind Wolfgang Pauli's famous quote:
This isn't right. This isn't even wrong.
Bear with me a bit and allow me to elucidate.
Before getting to the heart of the matter, in order to get the full
flavor of the article and the research I have included some more tidbits
from the article.
The kids' personalities were rated at the time (nursery school) by
teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason
to think political bias skewed the ratings ? the investigators were not
looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's
unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their
political leanings.
A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking
again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids
tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who
hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with
ambiguity.
The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose,
turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The
girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little
introspective.
Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not
representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the
results hold. He reasons that insecure kids look for the reassurance
provided by tradition and authority, and find it in conservative
politics. The more confident kids are eager to explore alternatives to
the way things are, and find liberal politics more congenial.
Kleiner makes an egregious error in a "scientific" report. He fails to
do the most fundamental work of any scientific article, ie define the
terms. We do not know what the study author means by "liberal" and
"conservative"? Is this a cultural, political (small government
conservative? authoritarian conservative?), or temperamental
designation?
Stella Chess and her husband, Alexander Thomas, studied temperament in a
large cohort of infants starting in 1956, and followed them for many
years, in The New York Longitudinal Study. They discovered that
temperament tends to be stable; further:
Stella's concepts of temperament and goodness or poorness of fit
offered a paradigm shift for understanding the child's behavior—from a
prevailing psychoanalytic model of a basic intrapsychic conflict and
anxiety in the child to a new model in which the child's intrinsic
patterns of behavior came first, followed by parental goodness or
poorness of fit. Any parental mismatch and disapproval that might emerge
might then generate anxiety and subsequently give rise to behavioral
symptoms in the child, especially when the parent's anger mounted.
Nowadays, the goodness of fit transactional model is one of the basic
models used in a broad spectrum of child mental health services, ranging
from children's psychiatric inpatient services to pediatric practice and
work in schools.
The article also does not give more than the barest of identifying data
as to the subjects. If, as is often the case in child studies conducted
by academics, the children are children of colleagues, then it would be
reasonable to assume that somewhere north of 85% of the parents were
"liberals" or "progressives" since Berkeley was a hotbed of such
politics in the 1960's. The political orientation of the parents has
been shown to be an extremely important indicator of children's
political tendencies. Of the 100 children, how many came from liberal
homes? If there were only 15 or less conservative families and/or
children, what does this say about the validity of the conclusions? We
cannot know from the article crucial data about the context in which the
children lived, their parent-child relationships and how this would
affect the data interpretation.
Further, I would suggest that the author's terminology is hopelessly
contradictory. If "the whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and
turned into rigid young adults" in Berkeley, wouldn't that mean they are
far left adherents of the party line? After all, that is the
predominant political culture in academic Berkeley. In Berkeley, a true
non-conformist would most likely be a neocon and a Berkeley radical
would be a religious Jew or Christian!
I cannot tell if the error is Kleiner's or Block's but it is a
fundamental error to assume that a political liberal is more or less
rigid than a political conservative; if anything, adaptability and the
creation and adoption of new ideas is much more prevalent on the
Conservative side of the political divide than the Liberal side. As
even Democrats have remarked, they don't even know what they stand for
any more, beyond a rigid and reflexive anti-Bush stance. Progressives
and conservatives have switched places around the world.
Just one example: Once again, Paris is burning, and the fires this time
are being set by the university age children of the comfortable middle
class who have grown up in a Socialist state where jobs, when they are
available, are for life, and where all one's needs are met by the state.
It is unquestionable that Berkeley liberals would point to the French as
the height of progressive thought and culture on the planet. Yet the
paradox here is that the French rioters are not only anything but non-
conformist, they are anxious, rigid, and terrified of change; they are
violently reactionary. Joe N. at No Pasaran captures their mindset
brilliantly, in Life is static. Nothing should ever change. Feed me.
Ben Domenech wrote about this report at Red America Tuesday, in Whiny?
Crazy? You Just Might Be A Conservative. He sarcastically suggested
that the results should be taken with a grain of salt:
Of course, we should never question social psychologists in their
line of work. They are, after all, professionals. So the idea that
perhaps a small number of kids from the Berkeley area may not be a truly
representative slice of the American population is just silly. Professor
Jack Block, the author of the study, defends his work by explaining to
the Star that "within his sample....the results hold." Surely, his
statistics professor is very proud.
The DU crowd is thrilled with the report; MaxedOutMama supplies details.
Kobayashi Maru is annoyed at the shallowness of the interpretation of
the study and comments:
In other words, those who have an advanced sense of right and wrong
at age three or four... have it when they grow up. Those who expect
authority to actually respond when boundaries are crossed in the pre-
school classroom (he stole my blocks!)... have similar expectations when
boundaries are crossed in the real world (he's building nuclear weapons
and threatening to destroy Israel!) "Little conservatives" believe in
rule of law - holding high expectations for a systematic, fair and
unambiguous response to law-breaking behavior at multiple levels. They
appear 'insecure' only because that label has been placed on them by a
liberal educational establishment unable to see how the moral
vacillation of a feckless teacher might in fact be contributing to it.
But Fausta absolutely gets the penultimate word on this story:
Forgive my whiny ignorance, but this sounds like psychobabble for:
the liberal kids haven't got around to finding a job yet.
Finally, two caveats:
First I would suggest we be careful about accepting a reporter's view of
a research study that does not include a link to the original. This
should be an absolute minimal expectation of any on-line article, and
URLs should be included even in old media reports. The absence of a URL
is instructive.
Even more significant is the possibility that the Social Scientist may
well have gathered some evidence that anxious children grow up to be
rigid, perhaps authoritarian, adults. That does not preclude the
delicious possibility that Block, without any conscious awareness, has
described a situation in which he unknowingly inverted the meaning of
"liberal" and "conservative."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Snork, snicker, guffaw... |
20 Mar 2006 11:54:34 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way; You
people even put down your own family members. By the way, if your mother had
decided to abort your little brother, would either you or your other brother
be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
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| User: "ShadowWolf" |
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21 Mar 2006 12:08:16 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the
teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way;
You people even put down your own family members. By the way, if your
mother had decided to abort your little brother, would either you or your
other brother be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
Rather strange that you think people who put down their family members are
the non-normal people. I will state, unequivocably, that I have a sister
who is a coke-head, another who is an alcoholic and two who are actually
trying to make something of their lives. As for my brothers, one is a
kleptomaniac with delusions of grandeur, one is just an ***** and the
third is yet another alcoholic.
Now the alcoholics are all "whiny spoiled brats". The coke-head is
struggling to make it from paycheck to paycheck and can't figure out why.
The ***** brother is decent enough, when you get past his true *****
nature. The klepto brother hasn't had contact with the family for more than
five years, but his kleptomania is so great that he has actually stolen
from his nieces and nephews in the past.
My two sisters who are trying to make something of themselves are among the
nicest people you could ever hope to meet. You couldn't accuse either of
them of being gentle, but sweet, caring, loving and humble all describe
them.
Me? I'll freely admit I am the single most fucked up member of my family.
Not only am I abnormally intelligent for someone of my dubious genetic
heritage, I am bi-polar and, at one point, came closer than I like to admit
to being committed by the police. Oh, I'm also an ***** and not afraid to
admit it.
Now, as to you, Mr. Young, as I am new to this group, I have no current
opinion of you. However, you have made a generalized statement that does
happen to include me and is, strangely, the truth.
But no matter how much I may put down my family, we have always been there
for each other. I cannot count the number of times when through either
stupidity or having the ill fortune of being mugged that I came close to
living on the street. But each time my family was there to help me keep a
roof over my head. And it doesn't matter what happens - we are a family,
and we do support and defend each other against all odds.
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
ShadowWolf
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| User: "J Young" |
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21 Mar 2006 12:50:03 AM |
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"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441f9840$0$3703$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
admit it.
Now, as to you, Mr. Young, as I am new to this group, I have no current
opinion of you. However, you have made a generalized statement that does
happen to include me and is, strangely, the truth.
Everything I post is the truth.
But no matter how much I may put down my family, we have always been there
for each other. I cannot count the number of times when through either
stupidity or having the ill fortune of being mugged that I came close to
living on the street. But each time my family was there to help me keep a
roof over my head. And it doesn't matter what happens - we are a family,
and we do support and defend each other against all odds.
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Everything, except for the putting family member down, yes I can say that
about my family.
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| User: "ShadowWolf" |
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21 Mar 2006 12:56:44 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441f9840$0$3703$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
admit it.
Now, as to you, Mr. Young, as I am new to this group, I have no current
opinion of you. However, you have made a generalized statement that does
happen to include me and is, strangely, the truth.
Everything I post is the truth.
Said generality most certainly does not apply to everyone that browses this
newsgroup, hence, it is a lie. QED, not everything you say is the truth.
But no matter how much I may put down my family, we have always been
there for each other. I cannot count the number of times when through
either stupidity or having the ill fortune of being mugged that I came
close to living on the street. But each time my family was there to help
me keep a roof over my head. And it doesn't matter what happens - we are
a family, and we do support and defend each other against all odds.
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Everything, except for the putting family member down, yes I can say that
about my family.
Then you have the strangest family I have ever heard of, or are an only
child. Anyone in a family with more than one child knows the truth of
sibling rivalry and that "put downs" are commonplace.
ShadowWolf
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| User: "J Young" |
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21 Mar 2006 01:30:15 AM |
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"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Everything, except for the putting family member down, yes I can say
that
about my family.
Then you have the strangest family I have ever heard of, or are an only
child. Anyone in a family with more than one child knows the truth of
sibling rivalry and that "put downs" are commonplace.
We had as many put-downs and rivalries as your's or any other family, but we
kept everything "in-family".
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| User: "" |
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21 Mar 2006 04:24:56 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441fa39e$0$3704$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
J Young wrote:
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Everything, except for the putting family member down, yes I can say
that
about my family.
Then you have the strangest family I have ever heard of, or are an only
child. Anyone in a family with more than one child knows the truth of
sibling rivalry and that "put downs" are commonplace.
We had as many put-downs and rivalries as your's or any other family, but we
kept everything "in-family".
"Everything?"
Naw, too easy. Y'all have at him, though.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Department of Telepropaganda
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "bob young" |
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21 Mar 2006 11:18:02 PM |
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J Young wrote:
"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441fa39e$0$3704$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
J Young wrote:
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Everything, except for the putting family member down, yes I can say
that
about my family.
Then you have the strangest family I have ever heard of, or are an only
child. Anyone in a family with more than one child knows the truth of
sibling rivalry and that "put downs" are commonplace.
We had as many put-downs and rivalries as your's or any other family, but we
kept everything "in-family".
Any atheists on your family brother?
Bet you would keep good and quiet if there were !
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| User: "bob young" |
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21 Mar 2006 11:13:01 PM |
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J Young wrote:
"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441fa39e$0$3704$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
J Young wrote:
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Everything, except for the putting family member down, yes I can say
that
about my family.
Then you have the strangest family I have ever heard of, or are an only
child. Anyone in a family with more than one child knows the truth of
sibling rivalry and that "put downs" are commonplace.
We had as many put-downs and rivalries as your's or any other family, but we
kept everything "in-family".
Isn't that rather incestuous ?
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| User: "bob young" |
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21 Mar 2006 11:12:02 PM |
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ShadowWolf wrote:
J Young wrote:
"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441f9840$0$3703$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
admit it.
Now, as to you, Mr. Young, as I am new to this group, I have no current
opinion of you. However, you have made a generalized statement that does
happen to include me and is, strangely, the truth.
Everything I post is the truth.
Said generality most certainly does not apply to everyone that browses this
newsgroup, hence, it is a lie. QED, not everything you say is the truth.
But no matter how much I may put down my family, we have always been
there for each other. I cannot count the number of times when through
either stupidity or having the ill fortune of being mugged that I came
close to living on the street. But each time my family was there to help
me keep a roof over my head. And it doesn't matter what happens - we are
a family, and we do support and defend each other against all odds.
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Everything, except for the putting family member down, yes I can say that
about my family.
Then you have the strangest family I have ever heard of, or are an only
child. Anyone in a family with more than one child knows the truth of
sibling rivalry and that "put downs" are commonplace.
Hey I am enjoying this common sense stuff - how refreshing it is !
Bob
ShadowWolf
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21 Mar 2006 07:12:52 PM |
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J Young wrote:
"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441f9840$0$3703$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
But no matter how much I may put down my family, we have always been there
for each other. I cannot count the number of times when through either
stupidity or having the ill fortune of being mugged that I came close to
living on the street. But each time my family was there to help me keep a
roof over my head. And it doesn't matter what happens - we are a family,
and we do support and defend each other against all odds.
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Everything, except for the putting family member down, yes I can say that
about my family.
"Unless a man HATES his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and
brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my
disciple." --Jesus Christ's family values, Luke 14:26
--Billy
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| User: "bob young" |
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21 Mar 2006 11:16:02 PM |
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"William T. Goat" wrote:
J Young wrote:
"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441f9840$0$3703$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
But no matter how much I may put down my family, we have always been there
for each other. I cannot count the number of times when through either
stupidity or having the ill fortune of being mugged that I came close to
living on the street. But each time my family was there to help me keep a
roof over my head. And it doesn't matter what happens - we are a family,
and we do support and defend each other against all odds.
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Everything, except for the putting family member down, yes I can say that
about my family.
"Unless a man HATES his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and
brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my
disciple." --Jesus Christ's family values, Luke 14:26
--Billy
They had a way with words back then Billy, those goat herders
............and how they craved to promote their imaginary god
at the expense of their nearest and dearest.
Religion can do much harm to the brain; as we posters here have discovered only
too well
Cheers
Bob
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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21 Mar 2006 08:04:21 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441f9840$0$3703$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
admit it.
Now, as to you, Mr. Young, as I am new to this group, I have no current
opinion of you. However, you have made a generalized statement that does
happen to include me and is, strangely, the truth.
Everything I post is the truth.
What is this, one of those mathematician jokes?
"For sufficiently false values of true."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Mar 2006 06:32:08 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, J Young in episode
<Z_qdnYozz72uP4LZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@giganews.com>...
"ShadowWolf" <shade@entermail.net> wrote in message
news:441f9840$0$3703$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
admit it.
Now, as to you, Mr. Young, as I am new to this group, I have no current
opinion of you. However, you have made a generalized statement that does
happen to include me and is, strangely, the truth.
Everything I post is the truth.
Provided one is sufficiently deluded...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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I just love this...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
Um... didn't foresee what exactly?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CA129BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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21 Mar 2006 12:19:45 AM |
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ShadowWolf wrote:
J Young wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the
teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way;
You people even put down your own family members. By the way, if your
mother had decided to abort your little brother, would either you or your
other brother be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
Rather strange that you think people who put down their family members are
the non-normal people. I will state, unequivocably, that I have a sister
who is a coke-head, another who is an alcoholic and two who are actually
trying to make something of their lives. As for my brothers, one is a
kleptomaniac with delusions of grandeur, one is just an ***** and the
third is yet another alcoholic.
Now the alcoholics are all "whiny spoiled brats". The coke-head is
struggling to make it from paycheck to paycheck and can't figure out why.
The ***** brother is decent enough, when you get past his true *****
nature. The klepto brother hasn't had contact with the family for more than
five years, but his kleptomania is so great that he has actually stolen
from his nieces and nephews in the past.
My two sisters who are trying to make something of themselves are among the
nicest people you could ever hope to meet. You couldn't accuse either of
them of being gentle, but sweet, caring, loving and humble all describe
them.
Me? I'll freely admit I am the single most fucked up member of my family.
Not only am I abnormally intelligent for someone of my dubious genetic
heritage, I am bi-polar and, at one point, came closer than I like to admit
to being committed by the police. Oh, I'm also an ***** and not afraid to
admit it.
Now, as to you, Mr. Young, as I am new to this group, I have no current
opinion of you. However, you have made a generalized statement that does
happen to include me and is, strangely, the truth.
But no matter how much I may put down my family, we have always been there
for each other. I cannot count the number of times when through either
stupidity or having the ill fortune of being mugged that I came close to
living on the street. But each time my family was there to help me keep a
roof over my head. And it doesn't matter what happens - we are a family,
and we do support and defend each other against all odds.
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
Of course, this is only an ad hominem attack..but as a "regular" here,
and someone who has watched Young's activity for quite some time-I
would suggest the only thing Young could say about his family is that
they only recently learned to walk using their rear legs.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Department of Telepropaganda
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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21 Mar 2006 11:07:02 PM |
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ShadowWolf wrote:
J Young wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the
teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way;
You people even put down your own family members. By the way, if your
mother had decided to abort your little brother, would either you or your
other brother be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
Rather strange that you think people who put down their family members are
the non-normal people. I will state, unequivocably, that I have a sister
who is a coke-head, another who is an alcoholic and two who are actually
trying to make something of their lives. As for my brothers, one is a
kleptomaniac with delusions of grandeur, one is just an ***** and the
third is yet another alcoholic.
I believe this is called 'being open frank and honest'.
Something that religionists find impossible to be
when trying to justify their myths
Now the alcoholics are all "whiny spoiled brats". The coke-head is
struggling to make it from paycheck to paycheck and can't figure out why.
The ***** brother is decent enough, when you get past his true *****
nature. The klepto brother hasn't had contact with the family for more than
five years, but his kleptomania is so great that he has actually stolen
from his nieces and nephews in the past.
My two sisters who are trying to make something of themselves are among the
nicest people you could ever hope to meet. You couldn't accuse either of
them of being gentle, but sweet, caring, loving and humble all describe
them.
Me? I'll freely admit I am the single most fucked up member of my family.
Not only am I abnormally intelligent for someone of my dubious genetic
heritage, I am bi-polar and, at one point, came closer than I like to admit
to being committed by the police. Oh, I'm also an ***** and not afraid to
admit it.
Now, as to you, Mr. Young, as I am new to this group, I have no current
opinion of you. However, you have made a generalized statement that does
happen to include me and is, strangely, the truth.
But no matter how much I may put down my family, we have always been there
for each other. I cannot count the number of times when through either
stupidity or having the ill fortune of being mugged that I came close to
living on the street. But each time my family was there to help me keep a
roof over my head. And it doesn't matter what happens - we are a family,
and we do support and defend each other against all odds.
Can you say that about your family, Mr. Young?
We have to remember that my namesake has two families,
his parential one plus the imaginary 'family of god'
that goes with his imaginary god.
bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
If [the skeptic] has not proved positively that religion is not true, then he
has certainly proved that it is not necessary. Men may live decently without
it and they may die courageously without it. But not, of course, all men. The
capacity for that proud imperturbability is rare in the race - maybe as rare
as the capacity for honor. For the rest there must be faith, as there must be
morals. It is their fate to live absurdly, flogged by categorical imperatives
of their own shallow imagining, and to die insanely, grasping for hands that
were not there....
[H. L. Mencken, _Treatise on the Gods_ (1930)]
ShadowWolf
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21 Mar 2006 07:50:27 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way; You
people even put down your own family members. By the way, if your mother had
decided to abort your little brother, would either you or your other brother
be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
Baby want a bottle?
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21 Mar 2006 12:16:35 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way; You
people even put down your own family members.
As do most sucessful comedians and members of normal families. You
"don't put much weight into" the insults you recieve because you're too
fucking stupid.
By the way, if your mother had
decided to abort your little brother, would either you or your other brother
be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
If your mother had decided to abort *you*, she'd have deserved the
Nobel Prize.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Department of Telepropaganda
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "bob young" |
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21 Mar 2006 11:02:08 PM |
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J Young wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way; You
people even put down your own family members. By the way, if your mother had
decided to abort your little brother, would either you or your other brother
be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
If your folks had passed away when you were two years old
and you had been adopted by a Hindu family
J Young would now be a Hindu
praying to a thing with a woman's body and a baby elephant's head
Bob Young
[from the sane side of the family]
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21 Mar 2006 01:01:43 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way; You
people even put down your own family members.
snipage
In contrast Mr. Young would put a positive spin on even the most
degenerate criminal behavior if it was from a conservative or a family
member. In his mind this is morally
superior, because it makes him look better.
Larry
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21 Mar 2006 04:43:25 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:54:34 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way; You
people even put down your own family members. By the way, if your mother had
decided to abort your little brother, would either you or your other brother
be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
A brother of mine as well as a few cousins over time have become
infected with religion. These were good people, now they are
insufferable, meddling, nosy, intrusive fussbudgets.
Sunyata
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| User: "Eris" |
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22 Mar 2006 12:52:52 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:54:34 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way;
Because you are a clueless idiot. How is the self destruction coming.
I wish your mother had been better at wielding that coat hanger. I bet
going through life as a Cyclops is hard.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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21 Mar 2006 12:25:25 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet J Young
(youngopinions@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who
always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to
the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a
conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled
brat, baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my
way; You people even put down your own family members. By the way, if
your mother had decided to abort your little brother, would either you
or your other brother be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
Man, talk about water on the brain.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Atheists get to live their lives in accordance with their own desires. I
call that a win, compared to the collossal waste of time being an active
Christian. Atheist: win. Christian: lose. "No win" never comes into
play, because there are no gods.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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21 Mar 2006 07:55:50 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet J Young
(youngopinions@aol.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who
always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to
the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a
conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled
brat, baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my
way; You people even put down your own family members. By the way, if
your mother had decided to abort your little brother, would either you
or your other brother be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
Man, talk about water on the brain.
Young is awfully whiny, if you ask me.
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21 Mar 2006 06:29:30 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, J Young in episode
<J4mdnSuKaMWvCILZRVn-jg@giganews.com>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:UuydnUZMM6q_DYLZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@megapath.net...
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the
teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
This is why I don't put too much weight into the insults hurled my way;
You people even put down your own family members. By the way, if your
mother had decided to abort your little brother, would either you or your
other brother be the "whiny, spoiled brat" liberal?
J. Young, poster child...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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I just love this...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
Um... didn't foresee what exactly?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CA129BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "bob young" |
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21 Mar 2006 11:00:02 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
You paint a vivid picture of R Dawkins who used to post so much rubbish here
last month.
Where is he now?
Assassinated perhaps?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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I just love this...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
Um... didn't foresee what exactly?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CA129BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Mar 2006 07:04:09 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, bob young in episode
<4420D953.67E8620D@netvigator.com>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the
teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
You paint a vivid picture of R Dawkins who used to post so much rubbish
here last month.
Where is he now?
Assassinated perhaps?
Still around. He just changes trolling identities every so often...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
I just love this one...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Kate " |
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21 Mar 2006 01:22:01 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:33:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
And honest, I didn't read this article before I told Stone that I was
really tired of his whining.
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| User: "Kate " |
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21 Mar 2006 01:19:01 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:33:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
Oh come on - who among us didn't know this before this study was
done... .
But I will say, there is certainly a huge difference between a neo
conservative and a conservative.
It's the neo conservatives that are the whiners, the bullies, the ones
with the personality problems. You know them as soon as they open
their mouths. They think they are smart and cant think their way
through anything and everyone knows it - they are the bigots, the
jerks, the ones everyone in the company can't stand and won't work
with unless forced.
These the are people Bush gathered together to make that wonderful ode
to incompetency of an administration. Just like one of those
companies that you work with for a while before you find out it's a
horror house that people come and go just as soon as they can, but
only stays alive because its profitable to abuse your employees.
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21 Mar 2006 05:55:01 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:33:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:
"Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always
thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher
with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U29F523DC
(Well, it sure as hell happened in my family. The whiny, spoiled brat,
baby of the family is only right winger of the three of us)
And you know what? It's exactly what I'd be if I hadn't been gay. I was that
whiny, insecure kid - not just in nursery school, but throughout most of my
school years - who thought everyone was out to get me. I was headed down the
path of becoming an arrogant, bigotted conservative type, just like many whiny,
insecure types before me in my whiny, insecure little hometown.
Knowing pretty much all along that I'm gay, and eventually realizing just how
wrong the whiny, insecure types =are= about gay people - changed all that.
It was hell, but you can thank the shattered ruins of my family closet that you
don't see another Robertson or Fallwell in my place, as that's exactly what I
would have become. I almost started going that direction in _spite_ of being
gay and knowing it. Yeah, the "self-loathing" type, the ones that eventually go
out and pull a Jeffrey Dahmer on the world. Really distressing it was, but I
came through it - among many, many other things - and am now relieved to have
that crap out of my system. ;-)
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L8r,
Uncle Buck
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