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22 May 2005 03:20:15 PM |
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OT: Sputnik |
It's Sputnik Time Again
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7935081/site/newsweek/
We take a few facts-a satellite, poor test scores-to concoct grand
theories of economic decline. They sound right but are usually wrong.
By Robert J. Samuelson
Newsweek
May 30 issue - Americans are having another sputnik moment: one of
those periodic alarms about some foreign economic menace. It was the
Soviets in the 1950s and early 1960s, the Germans and the Japanese in
the 1970s and 1980s, and now it's the Chinese and the Indians. To
anyone old enough, there's no forgetting Oct. 4, 1957, when the Soviets
orbited the first space satellite. It terrified us.
Robert J. Samuelson
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/0a4273f6b87235ed
Sputnik
http://news.google.com/news?q=Sputnik&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=gn
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| User: "Ron O" |
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29 May 2005 02:16:51 PM |
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maff wrote:
It's Sputnik Time Again
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7935081/site/newsweek/
We take a few facts-a satellite, poor test scores-to concoct grand
theories of economic decline. They sound right but are usually wrong.
By Robert J. Samuelson
Newsweek
May 30 issue - Americans are having another sputnik moment: one of
those periodic alarms about some foreign economic menace. It was the
Soviets in the 1950s and early 1960s, the Germans and the Japanese in
the 1970s and 1980s, and now it's the Chinese and the Indians. To
anyone old enough, there's no forgetting Oct. 4, 1957, when the Soviets
orbited the first space satellite. It terrified us.
Robert J. Samuelson
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/0a4273f6b87235ed
Sputnik
http://news.google.com/news?q=Sputnik&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sputnik&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sputnik&btnG=Search+Directory&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=Sputnik&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&scoring=d&tab=wg
Actually, Sputnik is credited with goading the creationists into their
"Scientific Creationist" phase of the 1960's until they lost their
political support in the 1980's. In order to improve science education
a lot of reforms were put in place. They actually tried to teach some
science in the biology class and the BSCS biology texts ticked off a
lot of creationists. The anti evolution laws were finally repealed and
the creationists had to try and do something else. One of the common
errors of the Scopes fiasco is that something was settled. The laws
stayed on the books for another 30 years.
The current crop of creationist IDiots are the adaptation to the fact
that Scientific Creationism was found to be without merit. It wouldn't
bother me if the public had a wake up call and found out that
suppressing science education is a bad deal in a modern world. You
know that the IDiots are lying. They are obviously the same type of
creationists that were pushing the old creationist junk. They just
have learned not to try and teach anything that can be checked out. If
you look at Kansas, you know that the real goal of these guys is to not
teach the science at all. These are the same guys that removed
evolution from the standards. This fair and balanced lie is obviously
a lie because we all know what it is that they really want to do. If
science education ever becomes a priority again the kind of junk that
they are trying in Kansas will be pretty much history if education is
really the goal.
Ron Okimoto
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| User: "maff" |
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01 Jun 2005 03:20:33 AM |
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maff wrote:
It's Sputnik Time Again
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7935081/site/newsweek/
We take a few facts-a satellite, poor test scores-to concoct grand
theories of economic decline. They sound right but are usually wrong.
By Robert J. Samuelson
Newsweek
May 30 issue - Americans are having another sputnik moment: one of
those periodic alarms about some foreign economic menace. It was the
Soviets in the 1950s and early 1960s, the Germans and the Japanese in
the 1970s and 1980s, and now it's the Chinese and the Indians. To
anyone old enough, there's no forgetting Oct. 4, 1957, when the Soviets
orbited the first space satellite. It terrified us.
America's DNA
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/01/opinion/01friedman.html
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Could America's response to 9/11 change its cultural and legal essence?
Thomas L. Friedman
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/facc38db49f9ce7d
Robert J. Samuelson
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/0a4273f6b87235ed
Sputnik
http://news.google.com/news?q=Sputnik&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sputnik&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sputnik&btnG=Search+Directory&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
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| User: "Chris H" |
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22 May 2005 03:56:37 PM |
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maff wrote:
It's Sputnik Time Again
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7935081/site/newsweek/
And don't forget about the UK and Korea making great strides with stem
cell research while W stops any public money helping the US catch up to
the rest of the world.
Makes you kinda wonder what would happen if he went down with a
potentially curable disease in the next 20 years.
--
C.
'I had a German camera crew wanting to interview me about the Piano
Man,' says Mike, the pub's landlord. 'I said: "Go ***** yourselves. You
bombed my granddad's chip shop in the war.'
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,1489527,00.html
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| User: "Ken Shaw" |
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22 May 2005 06:25:07 PM |
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Chris H wrote:
maff wrote:
It's Sputnik Time Again
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7935081/site/newsweek/
And don't forget about the UK and Korea making great strides with stem
cell research while W stops any public money helping the US catch up to
the rest of the world.
Makes you kinda wonder what would happen if he went down with a
potentially curable disease in the next 20 years.
One can only hope.
Ken
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| User: "" |
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23 May 2005 11:27:39 AM |
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Chris H wrote:
maff wrote:
It's Sputnik Time Again
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7935081/site/newsweek/
And don't forget about the UK and Korea making great strides with
stem
cell research while W stops any public money helping the US catch up
to
the rest of the world.
Makes you kinda wonder what would happen if he went down with a
potentially curable disease in the next 20 years.
Speaking as a Britisher, my first thought would be to laugh in his face
and then slam the door on his nose, but I will take a guess that around
90 per cent of people who consider any given specialised medical
treatment unethical will quickly discover that it is ethical in their
particular case when they need it to stay alive. A significant, but
significantly lower proportion will discover a moral loophole when a
close relative is involved, a child or partner. Less again when it's
someone else's relative or even someone in another country.
Obviously this arises because of the extra mental effort that these
thinkers are motivated to put into weighing ethical questions when
their own life and wellbeing is at stake. It might be socially useful,
as guidance for the less ethically developed citizens who merely devise
new clinical therapies and apply them, to encourage our moral leaders
to invest more effort in these important ethical questions at times
when it hasn't happened to apply to them. One superficially attractive
plan is to kidnap such individuals and inform that if they can think of
a reason why, to take one example, polio vaccination is acceptable (I
think it was polio that in some fashion involved abortions, but I may
have misidentified it), then they will be freed unharmed, but that
exercise involves rather a lot of misdirected effort in itself.
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 May 2005 11:36:05 AM |
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 21:56:37 +0100, Chris H <No@None.no> wrote:
maff wrote:
It's Sputnik Time Again
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7935081/site/newsweek/
And don't forget about the UK and Korea making great strides with stem
cell research while W stops any public money helping the US catch up to
the rest of the world.
Makes you kinda wonder what would happen if he went down with a
potentially curable disease in the next 20 years.
The cure would be imported, of course.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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28 May 2005 02:23:03 PM |
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In article <6vl691lp5r0hlsvvsv80rbi3lqvlvq2njd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2005 21:56:37 +0100, Chris H <No@None.no> wrote:
maff wrote:
It's Sputnik Time Again
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7935081/site/newsweek/
And don't forget about the UK and Korea making great strides with stem
cell research while W stops any public money helping the US catch up to
the rest of the world.
Makes you kinda wonder what would happen if he went down with a
potentially curable disease in the next 20 years.
The cure would be imported, of course.
*
What will be imported are the products that derive from the new
technologies, which will be patented by organizations in Korea.
This just means that we will pay more for the medications and
therapies than we would have otherwise.
We are fortunate that there are still some forward-looking
organizations and governments left in the world where the primary
goal is improving the lives of its citizens and not the religious
agenda of the so-called 'ethicists', who for some reason think they
have a better idea of what is right and what is wrong.
Based on its actions, the primary goal of the US government, as it
now stands, appears to be to push a minority right-wing religious
agenda on all of us.
My personal hope is that Dr. Hwang, Woo-Suk and his group at Seoul
National University receive the Nobel Prize in medicine. As far as
I know, no Korean has ever won the Nobel Prize.
For more on this subject, see:
http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v11/n5/full/nm0505-464.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2004-02-11-skorea-cloning_x.htm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050520/hl_afp/healthsciencestemcellskor
eaus_050520164209
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200505/kt2005052219275111860.htm
earle
*
PS: I just remembered that Kim, Dae-Jung -- past President of South
Korea -- won the Nobel Peace Prize a few years ago.
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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28 May 2005 02:47:21 PM |
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Earle Jones wrote:
My personal hope is that Dr. Hwang, Woo-Suk and his group at Seoul
National University receive the Nobel Prize in medicine. As far as
I know, no Korean has ever won the Nobel Prize.
Their time may be at hand. In any case I want the wake up call to come
from another country. I hope the sound of a Chinese of Korean gong makes
it through all the fat and wax in the ears of the complacent.
Look at the bright side. Bush cannot run again.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 May 2005 12:35:47 PM |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 15:47:21 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
Earle Jones wrote:
My personal hope is that Dr. Hwang, Woo-Suk and his group at Seoul
National University receive the Nobel Prize in medicine. As far as
I know, no Korean has ever won the Nobel Prize.
Their time may be at hand. In any case I want the wake up call to come
from another country. I hope the sound of a Chinese of Korean gong makes
it through all the fat and wax in the ears of the complacent.
Look at the bright side. Bush cannot run again.
Don't bet on it.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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29 May 2005 01:35:20 PM |
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maff wrote:
May 30 issue - Americans are having another sputnik moment: one of
those periodic alarms about some foreign economic menace. It was the
Soviets in the 1950s and early 1960s, the Germans and the Japanese in
the 1970s and 1980s, and now it's the Chinese and the Indians. To
anyone old enough, there's no forgetting Oct. 4, 1957, when the Soviets
orbited the first space satellite. It terrified us.
*****. It damned near unmanned me for a while. I was soooo annoyed and
depressed I was in a blue funk for a month. The next day I and my
buddies in the math department we busy figuring ways of orbiting buck
shot to bust up the damned thing.
And those damned pinko stinko Commie Rooski Godless Atheists had the
gall, the gall I tell you, to orbit two cows and bull the following
year. It was the herd shot round the world.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Boikat" |
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29 May 2005 01:44:50 PM |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3fugbbF9m3qtU8@individual.net...
maff wrote:
May 30 issue - Americans are having another sputnik moment: one of
those periodic alarms about some foreign economic menace. It was the
Soviets in the 1950s and early 1960s, the Germans and the Japanese in
the 1970s and 1980s, and now it's the Chinese and the Indians. To
anyone old enough, there's no forgetting Oct. 4, 1957, when the Soviets
orbited the first space satellite. It terrified us.
*****. It damned near unmanned me for a while. I was soooo annoyed and
depressed I was in a blue funk for a month. The next day I and my
buddies in the math department we busy figuring ways of orbiting buck
shot to bust up the damned thing.
And those damned pinko stinko Commie Rooski Godless Atheists had the
gall, the gall I tell you, to orbit two cows and bull the following
year. It was the herd shot round the world.
Bada-boom!
When I heard about it, I crapped in my drawers. But then again, I was only
two months old, and crapped in my drawers for any ol' reason.
Boikat
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<42><
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Dick C" |
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29 May 2005 08:44:11 PM |
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Boikat wrote in talk.origins
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3fugbbF9m3qtU8@individual.net...
maff wrote:
May 30 issue - Americans are having another sputnik moment: one of
those periodic alarms about some foreign economic menace. It was the
Soviets in the 1950s and early 1960s, the Germans and the Japanese in
the 1970s and 1980s, and now it's the Chinese and the Indians. To
anyone old enough, there's no forgetting Oct. 4, 1957, when the
Soviets orbited the first space satellite. It terrified us.
*****. It damned near unmanned me for a while. I was soooo annoyed and
depressed I was in a blue funk for a month. The next day I and my
buddies in the math department we busy figuring ways of orbiting buck
shot to bust up the damned thing.
And those damned pinko stinko Commie Rooski Godless Atheists had the
gall, the gall I tell you, to orbit two cows and bull the following
year. It was the herd shot round the world.
Bada-boom!
When I heard about it, I crapped in my drawers. But then again, I was
only two months old, and crapped in my drawers for any ol' reason.
I was nine when I heard the news. I remember being really excited.
Here was something that would make a major difference, man putting
things into space. I gave no thought to who did it, just that it
was done.
--
***** #1349
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email:
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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29 May 2005 09:18:25 PM |
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***** C wrote:
I was nine when I heard the news. I remember being really excited.
Here was something that would make a major difference, man putting
things into space. I gave no thought to who did it, just that it
was done.
Big deal. Now we have so much ***** in orbit that it is unsafe for manned
space flight. After Edmund Hillary climbed Everest you could say -- so
what if a Brit did it, as long as it was done. Now look at the path up
the peak. Strew with thousands of oxygen tanks.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Dick C" |
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30 May 2005 07:56:22 PM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote in talk.origins
***** C wrote:
I was nine when I heard the news. I remember being really excited.
Here was something that would make a major difference, man putting
things into space. I gave no thought to who did it, just that it
was done.
Big deal. Now we have so much ***** in orbit that it is unsafe for manned
space flight. After Edmund Hillary climbed Everest you could say -- so
what if a Brit did it, as long as it was done. Now look at the path up
the peak. Strew with thousands of oxygen tanks.
Yep, that is history or humans. First some dude from Europe wanders
into the western hemisphere, and now we have McDonalds and fundies
all over the place.
Any exploration isn't worth the effort if we can't fill the area
with our garbage.
--
***** #1349
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~Benjamin Franklin
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email:
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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31 May 2005 02:56:32 AM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
***** C wrote:
I was nine when I heard the news. I remember being really excited.
Here was something that would make a major difference, man putting
things into space. I gave no thought to who did it, just that it
was done.
Big deal. Now we have so much ***** in orbit that it is unsafe for manned
space flight. After Edmund Hillary climbed Everest you could say -- so
what if a Brit did it, as long as it was done. Now look at the path up
the peak. Strew with thousands of oxygen tanks.
Bob Kolker
New Zealander.
Not a Brit.
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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31 May 2005 07:43:55 AM |
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Richard Forrest wrote:
New Zealander.
Not a Brit.
Sorry about that.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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29 May 2005 08:56:26 PM |
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***** C wrote:
Boikat wrote in talk.origins
"Robert J. Kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3fugbbF9m3qtU8@individual.net...
maff wrote:
May 30 issue - Americans are having another sputnik moment: one of
those periodic alarms about some foreign economic menace. It was the
Soviets in the 1950s and early 1960s, the Germans and the Japanese in
the 1970s and 1980s, and now it's the Chinese and the Indians. To
anyone old enough, there's no forgetting Oct. 4, 1957, when the
Soviets orbited the first space satellite. It terrified us.
*****. It damned near unmanned me for a while. I was soooo annoyed and
depressed I was in a blue funk for a month. The next day I and my
buddies in the math department we busy figuring ways of orbiting buck
shot to bust up the damned thing.
And those damned pinko stinko Commie Rooski Godless Atheists had the
gall, the gall I tell you, to orbit two cows and bull the following
year. It was the herd shot round the world.
Bada-boom!
When I heard about it, I crapped in my drawers. But then again, I was
only two months old, and crapped in my drawers for any ol' reason.
I was nine when I heard the news. I remember being really excited.
Here was something that would make a major difference, man putting
things into space. I gave no thought to who did it, just that it
was done.
I was about 1 year and 10 months old. I recall wondering when the next feed
was, and where my teddy went.
But when Yuri Gargarin went up, I was thrilled.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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