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"Andres64" |
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26 Jan 2008 09:13:47 AM |
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OT: Suicide bombers... |
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide bombers... |
27 Jan 2008 02:14:07 PM |
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"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas time.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide bombers... |
27 Jan 2008 06:53:05 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas time.
Through over-eating?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide bombers... |
28 Jan 2008 08:49:08 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:6r9qp31vi2q9h0t4bu4b5j9gkfeku3id3q@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas time.
Through over-eating?
I thought we were talking about terrorists, not Americans :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide bombers... |
28 Jan 2008 09:23:26 AM |
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In article <6068asF1oqghaU1@mid.individual.net>, says...
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:6r9qp31vi2q9h0t4bu4b5j9gkfeku3id3q@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
< > wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas time.
Through over-eating?
I thought we were talking about terrorists, not Americans :P
Okay, you mighta actually lisatened to Tommy boy, which I didn't, aside from the
actualities that made the 6:00 news, but I didn't so much get the impression that he
was dismissing the reality of post-partum depression, but rather he was shilling for
the strange thinking/delusions of $cientology as a $cientific high ground,
contrasted with the 'p$sudo-$cience' of psychiatry. I.e. he'd recommend not
taking anti-depressants, but instead letting someone with an e-meter plugged into
hir ***** do readings.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide bombers... |
28 Jan 2008 10:01:22 AM |
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"Apostate" <godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.2207bd7e57531b89@Hamster...
In article <6068asF1oqghaU1@mid.individual.net>,
says...
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:6r9qp31vi2q9h0t4bu4b5j9gkfeku3id3q@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
< > wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says
that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas
time.
Through over-eating?
I thought we were talking about terrorists, not Americans :P
Okay, you mighta actually lisatened to Tommy boy, which I didn't, aside
from the
actualities that made the 6:00 news, but I didn't so much get the
impression that he
was dismissing the reality of post-partum depression, but rather he was
shilling for
the strange thinking/delusions of $cientology as a $cientific high ground,
contrasted with the 'p$sudo-$cience' of psychiatry. I.e. he'd recommend
not
taking anti-depressants, but instead letting someone with an e-meter
plugged into
hir ***** do readings.
Um, what? What does this have to do with terriorst blowing themselves up in
shopping malls? <puzzled expression>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide bombers... |
28 Jan 2008 11:35:07 AM |
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In article <606ci9F1ppedvU1@mid.individual.net>, says...
"Apostate" <godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.2207bd7e57531b89@Hamster...
In article <6068asF1oqghaU1@mid.individual.net>,
says...
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:6r9qp31vi2q9h0t4bu4b5j9gkfeku3id3q@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
< > wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says
that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas
time.
Through over-eating?
I thought we were talking about terrorists, not Americans :P
Okay, you mighta actually lisatened to Tommy boy, which I didn't, aside
from the
actualities that made the 6:00 news, but I didn't so much get the
impression that he
was dismissing the reality of post-partum depression, but rather he was
shilling for
the strange thinking/delusions of $cientology as a $cientific high ground,
contrasted with the 'p$sudo-$cience' of psychiatry. I.e. he'd recommend
not
taking anti-depressants, but instead letting someone with an e-meter
plugged into
hir ***** do readings.
Um, what? What does this have to do with terriorst blowing themselves up in
shopping malls? <puzzled expression>
*You're* puzzled?!
(It was drafted as a reply to a whole 'nuther post; beats me.)
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide bombers... |
28 Jan 2008 11:11:52 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:23:26 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
In article <6068asF1oqghaU1@mid.individual.net>, says...
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:6r9qp31vi2q9h0t4bu4b5j9gkfeku3id3q@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
< > wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas time.
Through over-eating?
I thought we were talking about terrorists, not Americans :P
Okay, you mighta actually lisatened to Tommy boy, which I didn't, aside from the
actualities that made the 6:00 news, but I didn't so much get the impression that he
was dismissing the reality of post-partum depression, but rather he was shilling for
the strange thinking/delusions of $cientology as a $cientific high ground,
contrasted with the 'p$sudo-$cience' of psychiatry. I.e. he'd recommend not
taking anti-depressants, but instead letting someone with an e-meter plugged into
hir ***** do readings.
Uh huh...
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide bombers... |
28 Jan 2008 11:29:31 PM |
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In article <9cdtp3dvl5hofdb0dftuu6g5gj8pe9dpru@4ax.com>,
says...
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:23:26 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
In article <6068asF1oqghaU1@mid.individual.net>, says...
"Michael Gray" < > wrote in message
news:6r9qp31vi2q9h0t4bu4b5j9gkfeku3id3q@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
< > wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas time.
Through over-eating?
I thought we were talking about terrorists, not Americans :P
Okay, you mighta actually lisatened to Tommy boy, which I didn't, aside from the
actualities that made the 6:00 news, but I didn't so much get the impression that he
was dismissing the reality of post-partum depression, but rather he was shilling for
the strange thinking/delusions of $cientology as a $cientific high ground,
contrasted with the 'p$sudo-$cience' of psychiatry. I.e. he'd recommend not
taking anti-depressants, but instead letting someone with an e-meter plugged into
hir ***** do readings.
Uh huh...
Not fair!
We already established that that was s'posed to be a reply to Robyn's PPD posting.
I have no idea . . . perhaps $cientology dirty tricksters got into my outbox.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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29 Jan 2008 01:10:59 AM |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:29:31 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
In article <9cdtp3dvl5hofdb0dftuu6g5gj8pe9dpru@4ax.com>,
says...
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:23:26 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
In article <6068asF1oqghaU1@mid.individual.net>, says...
"Michael Gray" < > wrote in message
news:6r9qp31vi2q9h0t4bu4b5j9gkfeku3id3q@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
< > wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas time.
Through over-eating?
I thought we were talking about terrorists, not Americans :P
Okay, you mighta actually lisatened to Tommy boy, which I didn't, aside from the
actualities that made the 6:00 news, but I didn't so much get the impression that he
was dismissing the reality of post-partum depression, but rather he was shilling for
the strange thinking/delusions of $cientology as a $cientific high ground,
contrasted with the 'p$sudo-$cience' of psychiatry. I.e. he'd recommend not
taking anti-depressants, but instead letting someone with an e-meter plugged into
hir ***** do readings.
Uh huh...
Not fair!
We already established that that was s'posed to be a reply to Robyn's PPD posting.
I have no idea . . . perhaps $cientology dirty tricksters got into my outbox.
Uh huh...
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Jan 2008 11:12:32 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:49:08 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:6r9qp31vi2q9h0t4bu4b5j9gkfeku3id3q@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
While I certainly don't want them here, I'm still surprised one of them
hasn't blown themselves up in the middle of a shopping mall at Xmas time.
Through over-eating?
I thought we were talking about terrorists, not Americans :P
It happens, you know.
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| User: "bob young" |
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28 Jan 2008 03:25:02 AM |
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Andres64 wrote:
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
Are you asking why radical Causasions do not blow themselves up for a
'cause'
or Islamists resident in the USA?
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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26 Jan 2008 11:57:45 PM |
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Andres64:
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
It's daring for me to state an opinion on this, considering that I'm sitting
in Germany, but to me it seems like even though you got lots of radical
bloodthirsty morontheist Führers in the US, they aren't bloodthirsty
enough. Yet.
And frankly, why should they? They already control most of the land. Where's
the overpowering enemy that can't be fought any other way? Aye, if their
Führers preached _only_ the "we're being persecuted boo-fucking-hoo!"
stuff, without simultaneously bragging about being a majority to whom all
others have to bow, maybe it would work then. But not right now.
But I don't doubt that, if they start demanding suicide bombing or similar
madness from their sheep, they will obey. Willfully braindead like they are
they won't see any reason to disagree.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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27 Jan 2008 12:41:20 AM |
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On Jan 27, 12:57 am, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecret...@carcosa.de> wrote:
Andres64:
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
It's daring for me to state an opinion on this, considering that I'm sitti=
ng
in Germany, but to me it seems like even though you got lots of radical
bloodthirsty morontheist F=FChrers in the US, they aren't bloodthirsty
enough. Yet.
And frankly, why should they? They already control most of the land. Where=
's
the overpowering enemy that can't be fought any other way?
Exactly. Suicide bombing is a tactic to use when you're losing and
only strategic resource you have left is manpower. The totalitarian
religious fundamentalists are not only not losing in the US, in 2000
they won about as complete a victory as can be reasonably expected and
even after the narrow defeat in the congressional elections in 2006,
they still retain rock-solid control of two of the three branches of
the federal government and have significant regional majorities in
widespread areas of the country.
You don't suicide bomb when you've already won.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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27 Jan 2008 01:55:55 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:41:20 -0800 (PST), Lord Calvert
<CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> wrote:
On Jan 27, 12:57 am, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecret...@carcosa.de> wrote:
Andres64:
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
It's daring for me to state an opinion on this, considering that I'm sitting
in Germany, but to me it seems like even though you got lots of radical
bloodthirsty morontheist Führers in the US, they aren't bloodthirsty
enough. Yet.
And frankly, why should they? They already control most of the land. Where's
the overpowering enemy that can't be fought any other way?
Exactly. Suicide bombing is a tactic to use when you're losing and
only strategic resource you have left is manpower.
How does that hypothesis square with the well educated 9/11 suicide
pilots?
In my mind, it is utterly inapplicable to these suicide devotees.
The totalitarian
religious fundamentalists are not only not losing in the US, in 2000
they won about as complete a victory as can be reasonably expected and
even after the narrow defeat in the congressional elections in 2006,
they still retain rock-solid control of two of the three branches of
the federal government and have significant regional majorities in
widespread areas of the country.
You don't suicide bomb when you've already won.
Rubbish.
Benny Hinn does not suicide bomb, but he is a slime-bag loser.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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27 Jan 2008 06:36:33 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:25:55 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:41:20 -0800 (PST), Lord Calvert
<CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> wrote:
On Jan 27, 12:57 am, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecret...@carcosa.de> wrote:
Andres64:
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
It's daring for me to state an opinion on this, considering that I'm sitting
in Germany, but to me it seems like even though you got lots of radical
bloodthirsty morontheist Führers in the US, they aren't bloodthirsty
enough. Yet.
And frankly, why should they? They already control most of the land. Where's
the overpowering enemy that can't be fought any other way?
Exactly. Suicide bombing is a tactic to use when you're losing and
only strategic resource you have left is manpower.
How does that hypothesis square with the well educated 9/11 suicide
pilots?
In my mind, it is utterly inapplicable to these suicide devotees.
I have just finished Nial Ferguson's _War of the World_, in which I encountered
a fact that astonished me greatly. As a group, the first and most ardent
supporter of Hitler was the intelligentsia, college professors, students, and
graduates, and this was the intelligentsia of what was arguably the most
advanced society (self-preening claims by Yanks to the contrary notwithstanding)
in the world. The Jews with the luck to leave in the 30s included 20 Nobel
laureates, but German science and technology remained first rate (consider that
post-war, the top rocket scientists in both the US and USSR spoke with heavy
German accents). I suspect that bright people (often classed as "geeks" by their
less bright--and more sexually successful--classmates) often have exploitable
emotional vulnerabilities their duller fellows lack.
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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27 Jan 2008 06:20:16 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:36:33 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:25:55 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:41:20 -0800 (PST), Lord Calvert
<CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> wrote:
On Jan 27, 12:57 am, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecret...@carcosa.de> wrote:
Andres64:
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
It's daring for me to state an opinion on this, considering that I'm sitting
in Germany, but to me it seems like even though you got lots of radical
bloodthirsty morontheist Führers in the US, they aren't bloodthirsty
enough. Yet.
And frankly, why should they? They already control most of the land. Where's
the overpowering enemy that can't be fought any other way?
Exactly. Suicide bombing is a tactic to use when you're losing and
only strategic resource you have left is manpower.
How does that hypothesis square with the well educated 9/11 suicide
pilots?
In my mind, it is utterly inapplicable to these suicide devotees.
I have just finished Nial Ferguson's _War of the World_, in which I encountered
a fact that astonished me greatly. As a group, the first and most ardent
supporter of Hitler was the intelligentsia, college professors, students, and
graduates, and this was the intelligentsia of what was arguably the most
advanced society (self-preening claims by Yanks to the contrary notwithstanding)
in the world. The Jews with the luck to leave in the 30s included 20 Nobel
laureates, but German science and technology remained first rate (consider that
post-war, the top rocket scientists in both the US and USSR spoke with heavy
German accents). I suspect that bright people (often classed as "geeks" by their
less bright--and more sexually successful--classmates) often have exploitable
emotional vulnerabilities their duller fellows lack.
Yes.
As James Randi is wont to observe:
An education is no antidote to gullibility, and even enhances it.
Scientists are the easiest to fool with simple trickery, and naive
children the hardest.
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| User: "" |
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27 Jan 2008 08:45:21 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:57:45 +0100, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecretary@carcosa.de> wrote:
Andres64:
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
It's daring for me to state an opinion on this, considering that I'm sitting
in Germany, but to me it seems like even though you got lots of radical
bloodthirsty morontheist Führers in the US, they aren't bloodthirsty
enough. Yet.
And frankly, why should they? They already control most of the land. Where's
the overpowering enemy that can't be fought any other way? Aye, if their
Führers preached _only_ the "we're being persecuted boo-fucking-hoo!"
stuff, without simultaneously bragging about being a majority to whom all
others have to bow, maybe it would work then. But not right now.
But I don't doubt that, if they start demanding suicide bombing or similar
madness from their sheep, they will obey. Willfully braindead like they are
they won't see any reason to disagree.
That's a bit harsh.
Most religionists in America aren't "brain dead"; they've simply been
acculturated since childhood to blindly accept as true what their
parents, grandparents, books and movies have trained them to believe.
America is saturated with religious belief but it's a mistake to think
that America's religionists would in general be easily led to commit
bloody atrocities against one another or non believers.
Westboro Baptist and it's members are some of the most despised people
in America, Pat Robertson didn't stand a chance in his attempt for the
Presidency and Bill Clinton who violated many tenets of the Christian
faith would not have been elected to a second term had American
religionists voted strictly based on religious beliefs.
Most Americans aren't as zealous in their beliefs as some claim.
We atheists can wear them out in discussions about their Holy Book
which so many of them know so little about because imo they don't care
enough to really study it.
American churches are constantly complaining about the drop in people
attending church <Which sort of surprises me because there are three
things in America we can count on seeing on nearly every corner in
some areas; McDonalds, liquor stores and churches...and too much of
any one of them is very bad for us>
During the 1960s in America it was predominately the religious who
insisted that blue laws be done away with.
<Those were laws that demanded stores be closed on Sundays and that
certain activities not be allowed until after church>
Several years ago in my area <The southern Bible belt> a minister
pleaded with local children's sports organizations to forego games on
Sundays because in his opinion the parents were being forced to make
an unfair choice between church and sports.
The good parson was pretty much laughed at and told to mind his own
business.
But I do have a qualifier here; I sincerely believe that Southern
Baptists would do what you feel most religionists would if given the
opportunity and power.
They are, of all the denominations I am familiar with, the most
arrogant, smug and self righteous bunch of hypocrites in America.
I despise them to the core.
There is a running joke among many denominations that a Christian goes
to heaven where he is given a tour of the premises.
There is one room that is off limits to the newly appointed and on the
door a sign that reads "Silence Please!"
The Christian asks the tour guide what it means and the angel replies
"That's the room where all the Southern Baptists are kept...we keep it
quiet because they believe they are the only ones here."
That pretty much sums up the attitude of the typical Southern Baptist
imo.
And I suspect that if there were a God he would have created Hell as a
place to store the contentious and self rightous souls of Southern
Baptists so he wouldn't have to spend eternity listening to complaints
about the length and shape of his beard, the size and color of the
angel's halos and the arrogant opinion that the neighborhood was going
to hell in a handbasket because of the poor quality of "Those other
people" that he was allowing to take up residence there.
They are spawns of Satan and he and they deserve one another's company
for all eternity.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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27 Jan 2008 10:02:06 PM |
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Well I _did_ say that it's daring for me to state an opinion, so you may
well be right. If you are, so much the better :)
(And note that I said "willfully braindead", not just braindead. I don't
doubt that many of them do have the brainpower... they have just been
well-instructed to not use it, and they obey that command)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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27 Jan 2008 11:07:09 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:02:06 +0100, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOsecretary@carcosa.de> wrote:
Well I _did_ say that it's daring for me to state an opinion, so you may
well be right. If you are, so much the better :)
(And note that I said "willfully braindead", not just braindead. I don't
doubt that many of them do have the brainpower... they have just been
well-instructed to not use it, and they obey that command)
In a turncoat turnabout, I am on the theist's side here!
*Willful* ignorance is the key to this conundrum.
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Suicide bombers... |
26 Jan 2008 10:07:34 PM |
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In article
<1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com> wrote:
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
I have often wondered the same thing. The U.S. is wide open for that
sort of violence, and it appears to be relatively easy to accomplish,
especially in a country with comparatively lax laws about explosives.
Why it doesn't happen here with some regularity is a mystery to me.
-chib
--
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Mr D. Mr" |
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27 Jan 2008 10:35:31 AM |
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"chibiabos" <chib@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:260120082007342407%chib@nospam.com...
In article
<1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)?
I think the answer to this lies in a little-understood area of social
psychology. A big study several years ago looked at the history of suicide
bombing -- and found that every single reported example up to that time was
concerned with *land* (Sri Lanka/India, Palestine...) rather than
'religion'). I didn't keep the details, I'm afraid; but it was interesting
to see that the real issue seemed to be *dispossession* rather than 'faith'.
Maybe things have changed a little since 9/11 -- but maybe not, since that
attack appears to have been motivated by the insistence that US forces stop
defiling certain sacred sites in Saudi Arabia which indeed they have now
left; and there's some reason to think that occupied Iraq and Afghanistan
are seen as dispossession/liberation issues rather than primarily religious
ones. And let's remember that the people who 'wrote the book' on suicide
bombings are the eminently unreligious 'Tamil Tigers', one of whom can
actually be seen killing herself and others here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUdUEOVdEuc
M.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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27 Jan 2008 02:23:09 PM |
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On Jan 27, 8:35 am, "Mr D." <Mr D...@home.co.uk> wrote:
"chibiabos" <c...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:260120082007342407%chib@nospam.com...
In article
<1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)?
I think the answer to this lies in a little-understood area of social
psychology. A big study several years ago looked at the history of suicide
bombing -- and found that every single reported example up to that time was
concerned with *land* (Sri Lanka/India, Palestine...) rather than
'religion'). I didn't keep the details, I'm afraid; but it was interesting
to see that the real issue seemed to be *dispossession* rather than 'faith'.
Maybe things have changed a little since 9/11 -- but maybe not, since that
attack appears to have been motivated by the insistence that US forces stop
defiling certain sacred sites in Saudi Arabia which indeed they have now
left; and there's some reason to think that occupied Iraq and Afghanistan
are seen as dispossession/liberation issues rather than primarily religious
ones. And let's remember that the people who 'wrote the book' on suicide
bombings are the eminently unreligious 'Tamil Tigers', one of whom can
actually be seen killing herself and others here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUdUEOVdEuc
M.
Were there any suicide bombers by Filipinos during the 1940's
Japanese occupation, either in the Phillipines or in Japan?
The occupation there was much more brutal than the Israeli
occupation of Gaza was.
Michael
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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26 Jan 2008 10:19:52 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:07:34 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
In article
<1c00ebe3-7473-42b3-a86f-a2d7206a57df@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com> wrote:
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
I have often wondered the same thing. The U.S. is wide open for that
sort of violence, and it appears to be relatively easy to accomplish,
especially in a country with comparatively lax laws about explosives.
Why it doesn't happen here with some regularity is a mystery to me.
TV.
(And the total lack of desperation, of course)
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| User: "Olrik" |
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27 Jan 2008 12:46:16 AM |
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On Jan 26, 10:13 am, Andres64 <andres...@excite.com> wrote:
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
I've asked myself the question a million times. I live in Canada, and
nothing of the sort has happened. I don't know why. All sorts of
mayhem could be done by a suicidal terrorist maniac, like (*note* :
this is not a suggestion!) ramming a powerful SUV through a crowd at
an intersection.
I have no clues as to why these fuckers choose a country over another
to perpetrate their awful deeds.
Olrik
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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27 Jan 2008 02:20:07 PM |
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On Jan 26, 7:13 am, Andres64 <andres...@excite.com> wrote:
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
Suicide bombing is a practice by a vile iedology which almost no
one in the US subscribes to.
And those who subscribe to it are too afraid to actually do it.
See, for example, Usenet posts by "ElParedon".
Michael
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| User: "" |
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27 Jan 2008 06:27:54 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:13:47 -0800 (PST), Andres64
<andresc64@excite.com> wrote:
Let me start by saying that I in no way support, encourage or endorse
suicide bombing, or any other kind or violence/terrorism for that
matter. My question is strictly one of curiosity and trying to find
answers to a question.
The question is: Why are there no suicide bombers here in the US like
in other countries (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc)? I've asked
friends and no one has been able to provide an adequate answer. One
friend, a conspiracy kook, says that it's because it's all a
government plot (like 9/11). But this doesn't make sense. If the
government were responsible for 9/11, they could provoke even more
fear, and thus more control, with suicide bombings. Another says that
it's because explosives are too had to get. But this too falls
short. Hell, a couple of high school kids made a hell of a mess in
Colorado. A pipe bomb can't be that hard to make.
Certainly there are enough "radicals" that hate the US. Certainly it
can't be that difficult. Any ideas?
First, despite the number of suicide attacks we read and hear about in
those countries, considering population and opportunity they are still
relatively rare.
We do of course have the occasional mass murders in the U.S. that are
generally committed with firearms.
Those are usually carried out by loners, one or two people <And
usually one> without a web of others involved and as such are without
an identifiable group for intelligence agencies to monitor.
Explosives are also apparently a bit more difficult to come by in the
U.S. since 911 and that may have something to do with it.
And mideasterners can't simply blend in here as well as they can in
the mideast and Americans are very much aware of any suspicious
behavior on their part with many reporting it.
But here is another possibility that many of us have often considered.
It's obvious that bin laden did not expect the response he got due to
911 and stated his belief after Somalia that American soldiers were
cowards and America a paper tiger.
The Taliban appears to have had the same attitude.
<And even after Afganistan Hussein didn't believe Bush would attack
him>
For years the world had a sort of unwritten agreement with terrorists.
They would kill a certain number of people and the world would always
reply with the "measured response."
Even after the first attack on the WTC the adminstration saw it more
in terms of a law enforcement matter rather than an act of war.
Bush on the other hand called 911 an act of war and angrily said
something to the effect that he didn't intend to fire off a
two-million dollar missile just to hit a camel in the butt.
He also said "If you aren't with us, you are against us" and that any
country that harbored terrorists would be seen in the same light as
the terrorists themselves.
Arrogant?
Yes, of course it was.
A mistake?
I don't know, but it sent a clear message of intent and certain people
who mattered took notice and terrorists don't have anywhere near the
safe harbors they once had.
<There was in fact a time several years ago during which known,
leading terrorists could walk the streets of France or Britain and
while being monitored not have any fear of arrest>
One other significant fact I think is that it wouldn't be too
difficult for anyone to take out anybody in public with a long range
rifle no matter how much protection they have surrounding them,
especially if the shooter or shooters are willing to die or be
imprisoned for their cause.
Yet though that was a real fear in Washington for a period after 911
as far as we know no such attempt has been made by any terrorist or
group.
<We also don't know if any plans to do such a thing have been thwarted
by intelligence agencies>
It may be that American soil is off limits because Bush can be
expected to go to extremes to retaliate and any group that tried it
here would suffer the wrath of any nation that allows them safe harbor
even as a matter of self defense because that nation would be afraid
of what that crazy man in the White House might do.
In other words there may be a method to Bush's seeming madness.
Of course I don't know any more than anybody else why it doesn't
happen here and am left with nothing more than speculation like
everybody else.
atheist@home#1554
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