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"Eris" |
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14 Jun 2005 07:18:19 PM |
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O.T. Teen Suicide? |
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
14 Jun 2005 09:41:24 PM |
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Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> said:
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
Organize your data.
Jim07D5
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
14 Jun 2005 10:52:07 PM |
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There is a reasonable asumption that some teens could suicide if they
are harassed with aversive controls, in a way so cherished by the
traditional conservatives. This is a hard evidence that "Jesus loves
ya", and that his is a god of love.
Moreover, if many gay teens kill themselves by suicide, they would save
the conservative community the troubles of killing them by stonning,
in the mandatory style decreed by Deuteronomy.
So in a way, if that is the case, they have changed the meaning of the
scriptures, as they call for an active role in the killing gays by
stonning.
Is this new system of inderect killing gays by harassing them more
Christian?
If gays killed themselves, there is not any need for Xians to emulate
the Saudi Arabia authorities that kill them by beheading.
Therefore, not only Alah is a Merciful god, but Jehovah, the
bloodthirsty god of the Xians, has been affected in its immutability
by permiting their people "not to kill directly" their gays, but keep
harassing them till they hang themselves from a hook. Other option is
chasing them out of their family and home so they can thrive into the
prostitution rings in the sin cities of the US.
Leo the Heretical
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 12:08:58 AM |
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"leo" <leo@leopoldoperdomo.com> said:
There is a reasonable asumption that some teens could suicide if they
are harassed with aversive controls, in a way so cherished by the
traditional conservatives. This is a hard evidence that "Jesus loves
ya", and that his is a god of love.
Moreover, if many gay teens kill themselves by suicide, they would save
the conservative community the troubles of killing them by stonning,
in the mandatory style decreed by Deuteronomy.
So in a way, if that is the case, they have changed the meaning of the
scriptures, as they call for an active role in the killing gays by
stonning.
Is this new system of inderect killing gays by harassing them more
Christian?
If gays killed themselves, there is not any need for Xians to emulate
the Saudi Arabia authorities that kill them by beheading.
Therefore, not only Alah is a Merciful god, but Jehovah, the
bloodthirsty god of the Xians, has been affected in its immutability
by permiting their people "not to kill directly" their gays, but keep
harassing them till they hang themselves from a hook. Other option is
chasing them out of their family and home so they can thrive into the
prostitution rings in the sin cities of the US.
Leo the Heretical
Yes, all of the disfavored by society will have that check mark in
their "why commit suicide" column. And religion is a place where the
biases of society are enshrined.
Nonetheless, I would like to see some data, before agreeing that gays
commit suicide more than straights. Other things being equal.
Jim07D5
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 12:41:10 PM |
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It is very difficult, not only to found data on this issue, even to
compile them it ia a very difficult job. And nobody is going to do
this work just for nothing. Nobody is going to pay a statistics
researcher to to the work, unless he wants to fake a dossier to favor
certain political or religious principles.
Leo
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 05:07:27 PM |
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"leo" <leo@leopoldoperdomo.com> wrote in message
news:1118839270.569447.45240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
It is very difficult, not only to found data on this issue, even to
compile them it ia a very difficult job.
I suppose you have seen this...?
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/youth/tremblay/
Katt.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
20 Jun 2005 12:36:22 PM |
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leo <leo@leopoldoperdomo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
There is a reasonable asumption that some teens could suicide if they
are harassed with aversive controls, in a way so cherished by the
traditional conservatives. This is a hard evidence that "Jesus loves
ya", and that his is a god of love.
Moreover, if many gay teens kill themselves by suicide, they would save
the conservative community the troubles of killing them by stonning,
in the mandatory style decreed by Deuteronomy.
So in a way, if that is the case, they have changed the meaning of the
scriptures, as they call for an active role in the killing gays by
stonning.
Is this new system of inderect killing gays by harassing them more
Christian?
If gays killed themselves, there is not any need for Xians to emulate
the Saudi Arabia authorities that kill them by beheading.
Therefore, not only Alah is a Merciful god, but Jehovah, the
bloodthirsty god of the Xians, has been affected in its immutability
by permiting their people "not to kill directly" their gays, but keep
harassing them till they hang themselves from a hook. Other option is
chasing them out of their family and home so they can thrive into the
prostitution rings in the sin cities of the US.
Leo the Heretical
Wow, your English certainly is getting better up above. Remarkable
improvement in just a few days! :)
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
14 Jun 2005 11:57:00 PM |
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Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:u8bua1tn2vqlep5roqdqij3v4n24oo9nb3@4ax.com:
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
Fear, loneliness, fear of loneliness, social isolation, isolation from
family. That's what causes gay teens to commit suicide.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it
is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other
people's business.
-- Eric Hoffer
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
20 Jun 2005 12:55:00 PM |
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Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
Fear, loneliness, fear of loneliness, social isolation, isolation from
family. That's what causes gay teens to commit suicide.
Many of them turn to Jeebus, don't they? Claiming he's the only one
that understands and loves them unconditionally...
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
20 Jun 2005 07:17:21 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message news:
Many of them turn to Jeebus, don't they? Claiming he's the only one
that understands and loves them unconditionally...
Yes; but from what I've seen happen, it tends to be rather *conditional*:
Jeebus will 'love them' as long as they 'recognise that they have a
particular burden'; as long as they accept that this burden has been placed
on them 'so that they may better come to understand Gob's love'; and as long
as they continue to make psycho-sexual cripples of themselves by trying to
stop themselves wanting to ***** the people they want to *****.
Great deal, eh?
Katt.
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| User: "JohnN" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 05:17:38 PM |
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:u8bua1tn2vqlep5roqdqij3v4n24oo9nb3@4ax.com:
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
Fear, loneliness, fear of loneliness, social isolation, isolation from
family. That's what causes gay teens to commit suicide.
Rejection by family is probably the stronger cause.
JohnN
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| User: "Jon." |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 05:21:32 PM |
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JohnN wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:u8bua1tn2vqlep5roqdqij3v4n24oo9nb3@4ax.com:
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
Fear, loneliness, fear of loneliness, social isolation, isolation from
family. That's what causes gay teens to commit suicide.
Rejection by family is probably the stronger cause.
But isn't it society's condemnation of homosexuality that causes the
family to reject?
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| User: "JohnN" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 05:47:46 PM |
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Jon. wrote:
JohnN wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:u8bua1tn2vqlep5roqdqij3v4n24oo9nb3@4ax.com:
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
Fear, loneliness, fear of loneliness, social isolation, isolation from
family. That's what causes gay teens to commit suicide.
Rejection by family is probably the stronger cause.
But isn't it society's condemnation of homosexuality that causes the
family to reject?
Not everyone condemns homosexuality, especially in Western cultures.
Some who condemn homosexuality also have gay children.
The family, either as a whole or as individuals, are not obligated to
yield to society's condemnation of homosexuality. When they choose to
be bigots and disown their a child, they are to blame.
JohnN
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| User: "Jon." |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 05:49:44 PM |
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JohnN wrote:
Jon. wrote:
JohnN wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:u8bua1tn2vqlep5roqdqij3v4n24oo9nb3@4ax.com:
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
Fear, loneliness, fear of loneliness, social isolation, isolation from
family. That's what causes gay teens to commit suicide.
Rejection by family is probably the stronger cause.
But isn't it society's condemnation of homosexuality that causes the
family to reject?
Not everyone condemns homosexuality, especially in Western cultures.
Some who condemn homosexuality also have gay children.
The family, either as a whole or as individuals, are not obligated to
yield to society's condemnation of homosexuality. When they choose to
be bigots and disown their a child, they are to blame.
I do not disagree with you. All I wanted to point out was that, in
most cases, the reason for familial rejection is the underlying
societal condemnation.
Jon.
aa #703
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 09:48:26 PM |
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"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> said:
JohnN wrote:
Jon. wrote:
JohnN wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:u8bua1tn2vqlep5roqdqij3v4n24oo9nb3@4ax.com:
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
Fear, loneliness, fear of loneliness, social isolation, isolation from
family. That's what causes gay teens to commit suicide.
Rejection by family is probably the stronger cause.
But isn't it society's condemnation of homosexuality that causes the
family to reject?
Not everyone condemns homosexuality, especially in Western cultures.
Some who condemn homosexuality also have gay children.
The family, either as a whole or as individuals, are not obligated to
yield to society's condemnation of homosexuality. When they choose to
be bigots and disown their a child, they are to blame.
I do not disagree with you. All I wanted to point out was that, in
most cases, the reason for familial rejection is the underlying
societal condemnation.
And the reason for that is...?
Jim07D5
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 11:25:18 PM |
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Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in
news:dh81b155he5v2j6fe7gvbgv19nig2ik6la@4ax.com:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> said:
JohnN wrote:
Jon. wrote:
JohnN wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:u8bua1tn2vqlep5roqdqij3v4n24oo9nb3@4ax.com:
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide?
I am arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from
the right is causing young gays to commit suicide.
Fear, loneliness, fear of loneliness, social isolation,
isolation from family. That's what causes gay teens to commit
suicide.
Rejection by family is probably the stronger cause.
But isn't it society's condemnation of homosexuality that causes
the family to reject?
Not everyone condemns homosexuality, especially in Western cultures.
Some who condemn homosexuality also have gay children.
The family, either as a whole or as individuals, are not obligated
to yield to society's condemnation of homosexuality. When they
choose to be bigots and disown their a child, they are to blame.
I do not disagree with you. All I wanted to point out was that, in
most cases, the reason for familial rejection is the underlying
societal condemnation.
And the reason for that is...?
Wilful ignorance? Stupididty? Bigotry? Religion? I guess that last
was redundant.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Boys will be boys. And even that wouldn't matter if only we could
prevent girls from being girls."
* Sir Anthony Hope-Hawkins
(02/09/1863 - 07/08/1933)
English writer
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| User: "JohnN" |
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| Title: Re: O.T. Teen Suicide? |
15 Jun 2005 08:03:19 PM |
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Jon. wrote:
JohnN wrote:
Jon. wrote:
JohnN wrote:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
Eris <vithant@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:u8bua1tn2vqlep5roqdqij3v4n24oo9nb3@4ax.com:
Is it from finding out they were gay, causing teen suicide? I am
arguing with the rightard's, saying persecution from the right is
causing young gays to commit suicide.
Fear, loneliness, fear of loneliness, social isolation, isolation from
family. That's what causes gay teens to commit suicide.
Rejection by family is probably the stronger cause.
But isn't it society's condemnation of homosexuality that causes the
family to reject?
Not everyone condemns homosexuality, especially in Western cultures.
Some who condemn homosexuality also have gay children.
The family, either as a whole or as individuals, are not obligated to
yield to society's condemnation of homosexuality. When they choose to
be bigots and disown their a child, they are to blame.
I do not disagree with you. All I wanted to point out was that, in
most cases, the reason for familial rejection is the underlying
societal condemnation.
True.
JohnN
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