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07 Jun 2006 02:58:05 AM |
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OT: The bloody iceberg's tip |
The bloody iceberg's tip
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1791752,00.html
Haditha is in the spotlight. But such an atrocity is unexceptional in
occupied Iraq
Sami Ramadani
Wednesday June 7, 2006
The Guardian
The killing of 24 people, including children, inside their homes in the
Iraqi town of Haditha is at last receiving widespread media attention
in the US and Britain. But it is thanks to coincidence that the story
ever came to light.
News of the November 2005 massacre would have been buried alongside
many other stories of occupation atrocities had it not been for the
presence of mind of an Iraqi journalist, who photographed the horrific
scenes before the bodies were buried, and the perseverance of an Iraqi
lawyer. For US military crimes to be exposed takes overwhelming
evidence, massive perseverance and a good deal of luck. On the other
hand, mere speculation from occupation and pro-occupation Iraqi sources
is routinely reported as an accurate reflection of events.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The bloody iceberg's tip |
12 Jun 2006 09:32:36 AM |
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On 7 Jun 2006 00:58:05 -0700, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
The bloody iceberg's tip
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1791752,00.html
Haditha is in the spotlight. But such an atrocity is unexceptional in
occupied Iraq
Sami Ramadani
Wednesday June 7, 2006
The Guardian
The killing of 24 people, including children, inside their homes in the
Iraqi town of Haditha is at last receiving widespread media attention
in the US and Britain. But it is thanks to coincidence that the story
ever came to light.
News of the November 2005 massacre would have been buried alongside
many other stories of occupation atrocities had it not been for the
presence of mind of an Iraqi journalist, who photographed the horrific
scenes before the bodies were buried, and the perseverance of an Iraqi
lawyer. For US military crimes to be exposed takes overwhelming
evidence, massive perseverance and a good deal of luck. On the other
hand, mere speculation from occupation and pro-occupation Iraqi sources
is routinely reported as an accurate reflection of events.
Take the report of the killing of three members of the same family in
Samarra, which first appeared in Iraq a few weeks back and resurfaced
following the publicity around the Haditha massacre. According to the
Iraqi news network, US forces killed the three in a raid on the family
home: Zaidan Khalaf confirmed that the soldiers had killed his
60-year-old wife Khairiya, son Khalid and daughter Ina'am. I have come
across scores of stories in the Iraqi press of unarmed civilians killed
by US-led occupation forces, some backed up by video footage. But few
make it into the western media. In this context, Haditha is made to seem
exceptional, and is always diminished by the obligatory, nauseating
ministerial comment that things were worse under Saddam.
Why we should welcome an inquiry led by Donald Rumsfeld's Pentagon is a
mystery, given its determination to avoid investigating the involvement
of senior officers in the torture and killing of Iraqi detainees at Abu
Ghraib prison. The culture of indiscriminate violence that Iraqis have
long insisted permeates the US-led occupation forces is in any case
gradually being exposed by the testimony of US soldiers.
One such soldier, Specialist Jody Casey, a scout sniper in Baquba who
witnessed civilians being killed by soldiers, said recently bombs "go
off and you just zap any farmer that is close to you". Soldiers were
told to carry shovels in vehicles so they could plant them on civilian
victims, he said, to make it look like they were digging to set up
roadside bombs. Specialist Michael Blake, who served in Balad, said it
was common practice to "shoot up the landscape or anything that moved"
after an explosion.
Meanwhile, we are inundated with stories about Sunnis killing Shias,
Shias killing Sunnis, killing Kurds, killing Turkomans, while regular
anti-sectarian demonstrations are ignored: 10 days ago, for example,
there was a large rally in the predominantly Shia town of Balad in
solidarity with the nearby Sunni town of Dhullu'iya, under siege by US
forces. The reality is that the occupation is detested by most Iraqis.
US-led forces are surrounded by popular hostility, and are operating
completely outside Iraqi "sovereign" jurisdiction. No Pentagon courses
in the ethics of how and how not to kill Iraqis will change this.
What the occupation forces experience on the ground is a consequence of
what their political masters decide in Washington and London. The
indiscriminate harming of Iraqis has, in practice, been the modus
operandi of US-led policy towards Iraq since 1990. There is a continuity
between this bloody occupation and the indiscriminate 13 years of US-led
sanctions that preceded it - which also killed thousands of Iraqis.
When will the point come for the media and parliament to declare that
the occupation of Iraq is a colossal and unacceptable brutality that
must be immediately brought to an end?
· Sami Ramadani was a political exile from Saddam's regime and is a
senior lecturer at London Metropolitan University
Email:
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: The bloody iceberg's tip |
07 Jun 2006 07:16:46 PM |
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maff wrote:
<snip>
For US military crimes to be exposed takes overwhelming
evidence, massive perseverance and a good deal of luck. On the other
hand, mere speculation from occupation and pro-occupation Iraqi
sources is routinely reported as an accurate reflection of events.
The Ferl school of journalism.
Fred + Earl = Ferl, twins separated at birth.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The bloody iceberg's tip |
08 Jun 2006 08:49:07 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:O%Jhg.47171
$Lm5.25672@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
maff wrote:
<snip>
For US military crimes to be exposed takes overwhelming
evidence, massive perseverance and a good deal of luck. On the other
hand, mere speculation from occupation and pro-occupation Iraqi
sources is routinely reported as an accurate reflection of events.
The Ferl school of journalism.
Fred + Earl = Ferl, twins separated at birth.
Ah, the Mike Painter school of bad-cop smear tactics.
And of course Maff's source has it eactly backwards. The least accusation
of a crime against US military is considered proof positive of guilt, while
even the most damning evidence of guilt against any anti-American group is
easily excusable.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
If Bush is responsible for what happened in Al Haditha, does that mean
Clinton is responsible for the massacre at Waco Tx. in 1993?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: The bloody iceberg's tip |
08 Jun 2006 09:14:06 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:O%Jhg.47171
$Lm5.25672@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
maff wrote:
<snip>
For US military crimes to be exposed takes overwhelming
evidence, massive perseverance and a good deal of luck. On the other
hand, mere speculation from occupation and pro-occupation Iraqi
sources is routinely reported as an accurate reflection of events.
The Ferl school of journalism.
Fred + Earl = Ferl, twins separated at birth.
Ah, the Mike Painter school of bad-cop smear tactics.
Ferl has already forgotten that I told him and he acknowledged that I am not
a cop.
And of course Maff's source has it eactly backwards. The least
accusation of a crime against US military is considered proof
positive of guilt, while even the most damning evidence of guilt
against any anti-American group is easily excusable.
Only in Ferl's world. He has special sources even if he wasn't there.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The bloody iceberg's tip |
08 Jun 2006 09:23:38 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:OP4ig.93320$H71.42763@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:O%Jhg.47171
$Lm5.25672@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
maff wrote:
<snip>
For US military crimes to be exposed takes overwhelming
evidence, massive perseverance and a good deal of luck. On the
other hand, mere speculation from occupation and pro-occupation
Iraqi sources is routinely reported as an accurate reflection of
events.
The Ferl school of journalism.
Fred + Earl = Ferl, twins separated at birth.
Ah, the Mike Painter school of bad-cop smear tactics.
Ferl has already forgotten that I told him and he acknowledged that I
am not a cop.
Once a bad cop, always a bad cop.
And of course Maff's source has it eactly backwards. The least
accusation of a crime against US military is considered proof
positive of guilt, while even the most damning evidence of guilt
against any anti-American group is easily excusable.
Only in Ferl's world. He has special sources even if he wasn't there.
I don't need to be there to know how the MSM media is playing the
Haditha story and others.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
If Bush is responsible for what happened in Al Haditha, does that mean
Clinton is responsible for the massacre at Waco Tx. in 1993?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: The bloody iceberg's tip |
09 Jun 2006 12:01:49 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:OP4ig.93320$H71.42763@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:O%Jhg.47171 $Lm5.25672@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
maff wrote:
<snip>
For US military crimes to be exposed takes overwhelming
evidence, massive perseverance and a good deal of luck. On the
other hand, mere speculation from occupation and pro-occupation
Iraqi sources is routinely reported as an accurate reflection of
events.
The Ferl school of journalism.
Fred + Earl = Ferl, twins separated at birth.
Ah, the Mike Painter school of bad-cop smear tactics.
Ferl has already forgotten that I told him and he acknowledged that I
am not a cop.
Once a bad cop, always a bad cop.
That deserves an award of some sort.
Ferl shows us that the concept of change is totally foreign to him unless
Bush says it's OK.
And of course Maff's source has it eactly backwards. The least
accusation of a crime against US military is considered proof
positive of guilt, while even the most damning evidence of guilt
against any anti-American group is easily excusable.
Only in Ferl's world. He has special sources even if he wasn't
there.
I don't need to be there to know how the MSM media is playing the
Haditha story and others.
Translation: it does not agree with what Ferl.
The man probably didn't bat an eye today when he heard about two 500 pond
bombs being dropped on a house and the president talking about "justice"
being done.
He argues for days about "presumed innocence" but ignores it. But I guess
that answer at least one of the questions I asked him.
I wonder how many died when they dropped the first bomb and how many more
when they dropped the second one, just to make sure?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: The bloody iceberg's tip |
09 Jun 2006 05:56:02 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:1h7ig.21038$VE1.20566@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:OP4ig.93320$H71.42763@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:O%Jhg.47171 $Lm5.25672@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
maff wrote:
<snip>
For US military crimes to be exposed takes overwhelming
evidence, massive perseverance and a good deal of luck. On the
other hand, mere speculation from occupation and pro-occupation
Iraqi sources is routinely reported as an accurate reflection of
events.
The Ferl school of journalism.
Fred + Earl = Ferl, twins separated at birth.
Ah, the Mike Painter school of bad-cop smear tactics.
Ferl has already forgotten that I told him and he acknowledged that
I am not a cop.
Once a bad cop, always a bad cop.
That deserves an award of some sort.
Ferl shows us that the concept of change is totally foreign to him
unless Bush says it's OK.
You didn't change character, only jobs. You're still a lousy cop.
And of course Maff's source has it eactly backwards. The least
accusation of a crime against US military is considered proof
positive of guilt, while even the most damning evidence of guilt
against any anti-American group is easily excusable.
Only in Ferl's world. He has special sources even if he wasn't
there.
I don't need to be there to know how the MSM media is playing the
Haditha story and others.
Translation: it does not agree with what Ferl.
Fact: The MSM treats US Marines as guilty upon accusation but never even
accuses terrorists of being terrorists. But that's the way Mike Painter
likes it, being the Bad Cop that he is.
The man probably didn't bat an eye today when he heard about two 500
pond bombs being dropped on a house and the president talking about
"justice" being done.
Mike Painter the stupid bad cop doesn't know the difference between
crime and war. Not only did I not bat an eye, I rejoiced. I *gloated*.
He argues for days about "presumed innocence" but ignores it. But I
guess that answer at least one of the questions I asked him.
I wonder how many died when they dropped the first bomb and how many
more when they dropped the second one, just to make sure?
If they were in that house, they needed killing. That includes the women
and the children.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
If Bush is responsible for what happened in Al Haditha, does that mean
Clinton is responsible for the massacre at Waco Tx. in 1993?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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09 Jun 2006 12:22:26 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Ah, the Mike Painter school of bad-cop smear tactics.
<snip>
Once a bad cop, always a bad cop.
<snip>
You didn't change character, only jobs. You're still a lousy cop.
<snip>
Mike Painter the stupid bad cop doesn't know the difference between
crime and war. Not only did I not bat an eye, I rejoiced. I *gloated*.
<snip>
If they were in that house, they needed killing. That includes the
women and the children.
Ferl = Fred + Earl twins separated at birth.
This repetitive behavior is so typical of both of them.
The gloating at the death of children is a nice touch.
Ferl would have done well with the SS in the camps.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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09 Jun 2006 02:12:37 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:m7iig.42744$fb2.42425@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Ah, the Mike Painter school of bad-cop smear tactics.
<snip>
Once a bad cop, always a bad cop.
<snip>
You didn't change character, only jobs. You're still a lousy cop.
<snip>
Mike Painter the stupid bad cop doesn't know the difference between
crime and war. Not only did I not bat an eye, I rejoiced. I
*gloated*.
<snip>
If they were in that house, they needed killing. That includes the
women and the children.
Ferl = Fred + Earl twins separated at birth.
This repetitive behavior is so typical of both of them.
The gloating at the death of children is a nice touch.
I rather thought so myself. Let you get all self-righteous about the
results when your insurgent heroes hide among civilians.
Ferl would have done well with the SS in the camps.
Nah, that's a job for bad cops like you, Mike.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
How would you like your toast, sir?
Zarqawi style, please!
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "duke" |
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08 Jun 2006 05:44:04 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:16:46 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
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maff wrote:
<snip>
For US military crimes to be exposed takes overwhelming
evidence, massive perseverance and a good deal of luck. On the other
hand, mere speculation from occupation and pro-occupation Iraqi
sources is routinely reported as an accurate reflection of events.
The Ferl school of journalism.
Fred + Earl = Ferl, twins separated at birth.
Awww, mikey, back to the brake job for you.
duke, American-American
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