Religions > Atheism > OT: the government is “protecting the American people while honoring the Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear
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17 Nov 2003 11:18:53 AM |
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OT: the government is “protecting the American people while honoring the Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear |
Listen to this crock of excrement:
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Ashcroft told a conservative lawyers group, the Federalist Society, that
the government is “protecting the American people while honoring the
Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear.”
/quote
http://www.msnbc.com/news/994037.asp?0bl=-0
Ashcroft defends Patriot Act’s scope
Attorney general tries to assure lawyers over new powers
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON, Nov. 15 — With the government’s anti-terrorism legal
strategy under increasing scrutiny, Attorney General John Ashcroft tried
to assure lawyers Saturday that the Bush administration welcomes
oversight and is using new powers to make “quiet steady progress” in the
terrorism fight.
THE GOVERNMENT so far has successfully fended off legal challenges of
its imprisonment of U.S. “enemy combatants,” secrecy about immigrants
arrested after the Sept. 11 attacks and the detention of terrorism
suspects in Cuba.
Ashcroft told a conservative lawyers group, the Federalist
Society, that the government is “protecting the American people while
honoring the Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear.”
But courts have yet to rule on constitutional challenges to an
anti-terror law, the Patriot Act. Last week, the Supreme Court moved
into the middle of the post-Sept. 11 debate, announcing that the nine
justices would decide whether foreigners held at a military base in Cuba
can contest their captivity in American courts.
Also this month, the Supreme Court asked the administration to
explain the secrecy surrounding the detention of one of the immigrants
arrested in Florida after the Sept. 11 attacks.
“There is no question the Bush administration wants more power in
the executive branch,” said Robert Levy, a constitutional expert with
the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, who attended the speech.
Ashcroft has mounted a public defense of the government’s
response to the attacks, especially the Patriot Act. The law, enacted
weeks after the attacks, expanded government surveillance capabilities,
toughened criminal penalties for terrorists and allowed greater sharing
of intelligence information.
Ashcroft is trying to counter the effort to scale back the law by
critics, both Democrat and Republican, who believe it was rushed through
while the country was in a panic after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The attorney general said Saturday that the law gives courts
oversight to ensure that powers are not abused and that the
administration welcomes a “bright light of inquiry” on the issues.
Ashcroft’s appearance came on the final day of the annual meeting
of the society, a 21-year-old influential lawyers group with about
30,000 members.
Hayley Reynolds, a Cornell Law School student, said she and many
members of the Federalist Society are conflicted because they generally
support the administration but worry about giving the government too
much power.
“Whatever their political leaning, people are concerned about
civil liberties,” she said.
WARM GREETING
Ashcroft was warmly greeted by the several hundred lawyers who
attended his early morning speech.
He got in a poke at a liberal rival group, the American
Constitution Society, which held its first national meeting this year.
Former Attorney General Janet Reno was one of the draws of the event,
hosting a late night “dance party” for law students and lawyers.
“They let Janet Reno speak at a far more civilized hour,”
Ashcroft said. “How do you expect me to speak this morning and still be
fresh for a John Ashcroft dance party this evening?”
© 2003 Associated Press.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: OT: the government is protecting the American people while honoring the Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear |
19 Nov 2003 11:04:46 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:18:53 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> posted in
alt.atheism:
“There is no question the Bush administration wants more power in
the executive branch,” said Robert Levy, a constitutional expert with
the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, who attended the speech.
Until the Democrats regain the Oval Office, at which time the Repugs
will be yelling "abuse of power" when the Dems use the power the
Repugs illegally granted themselves.
Ashcroft is trying to counter the effort to scale back the law by
critics, both Democrat and Republican, who believe it was rushed through
while the country was in a panic after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The attorney general said Saturday that the law gives courts
oversight to ensure that powers are not abused and that the
administration welcomes a “bright light of inquiry” on the issues.
While maintaining that the detainees in Cuba aren't under the
jurisdiction of those same courts - because the government decided to
imprison them on foreign soil. Talk about begging the question.
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"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: OT: the government is protecting the American people while honoring the Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear |
21 Nov 2003 12:51:47 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<6riorvcuatcucrv3atlggbvdof5v7ekstu@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:18:53 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> posted in
alt.atheism:
?There is no question the Bush administration wants more power in
the executive branch,? said Robert Levy, a constitutional expert with
the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, who attended the speech.
Until the Democrats regain the Oval Office, at which time the Repugs
will be yelling "abuse of power" when the Dems use the power the
Repugs illegally granted themselves.
Remember the line-item-veto? Republicans voted it in while Bush I was
in office. I thought it was hilarious because I knew they'd regret it
once a Democrat was elected. As soon as Clinton used it, they took it
to court to repeal it. Now they want to grant Bush II more power.
Can't these guys see past the ends of their own noses?
jwk
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: OT: the government is protecting the American people while honoring the Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear |
21 Nov 2003 11:20:33 PM |
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On 21 Nov 2003 10:51:47 -0800, (jwk) posted in
alt.atheism:
Remember the line-item-veto? Republicans voted it in while Bush I was
in office. I thought it was hilarious because I knew they'd regret it
once a Democrat was elected. As soon as Clinton used it, they took it
to court to repeal it. Now they want to grant Bush II more power.
Can't these guys see past the ends of their own noses?
No - intelligent people rarely run for public office. They're too
busy controlling those who do.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious
conviction."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: the government is protecting the American people while honoring the Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear |
23 Nov 2003 10:45:19 PM |
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On 21 Nov 2003 10:51:47 -0800, (jwk), Message ID:
<c6f5ba32.0311211051.49e7c604@posting.google.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<6riorvcuatcucrv3atlggbvdof5v7ekstu@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:18:53 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> posted in
alt.atheism:
?There is no question the Bush administration wants more power in
the executive branch,? said Robert Levy, a constitutional expert with
the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, who attended the speech.
Until the Democrats regain the Oval Office, at which time the Repugs
will be yelling "abuse of power" when the Dems use the power the
Repugs illegally granted themselves.
Remember the line-item-veto? Republicans voted it in while Bush I was
in office. I thought it was hilarious because I knew they'd regret it
once a Democrat was elected. As soon as Clinton used it, they took it
to court to repeal it. Now they want to grant Bush II more power.
Can't these guys see past the ends of their own noses?
No.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: OT: the government is protecting the American people while honoring the Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear |
21 Nov 2003 05:14:44 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:04:46 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:18:53 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> posted in
alt.atheism:
“There is no question the Bush administration wants more power in
the executive branch,” said Robert Levy, a constitutional expert with
the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, who attended the speech.
Until the Democrats regain the Oval Office, at which time the Repugs
will be yelling "abuse of power" when the Dems use the power the
Repugs illegally granted themselves.
Then the 'rats would be guilty of joyfully breaking the law if the power is
illegal. But, you know "dem 'rats".
Ashcroft is trying to counter the effort to scale back the law by
critics, both Democrat and Republican, who believe it was rushed through
while the country was in a panic after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The attorney general said Saturday that the law gives courts
oversight to ensure that powers are not abused and that the
administration welcomes a “bright light of inquiry” on the issues.
While maintaining that the detainees in Cuba aren't under the
jurisdiction of those same courts - because the government decided to
imprison them on foreign soil. Talk about begging the question.
The government didn't. The military in a legal war situation are holding them
there. And the detainees are not American citizens subject to US laws.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: OT: the government is protecting the American people while honoring the Constitution and preserving the liberties we hold dear |
21 Nov 2003 11:19:47 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:14:44 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:04:46 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:18:53 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> posted in
alt.atheism:
“There is no question the Bush administration wants more power in
the executive branch,” said Robert Levy, a constitutional expert with
the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, who attended the speech.
Until the Democrats regain the Oval Office, at which time the Repugs
will be yelling "abuse of power" when the Dems use the power the
Repugs illegally granted themselves.
Then the 'rats would be guilty of joyfully breaking the law if the power is
illegal.
"Illegally granted", not "illegal power", Earl.
Ashcroft is trying to counter the effort to scale back the law by
critics, both Democrat and Republican, who believe it was rushed through
while the country was in a panic after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The attorney general said Saturday that the law gives courts
oversight to ensure that powers are not abused and that the
administration welcomes a “bright light of inquiry” on the issues.
While maintaining that the detainees in Cuba aren't under the
jurisdiction of those same courts - because the government decided to
imprison them on foreign soil. Talk about begging the question.
The government didn't. The military
Which is part of the government.
in a legal war situation are holding them
there. And the detainees are not American citizens subject to US laws.
Non-citizens are also subject to US laws in the US.
Are all Louisiana natives brain-dead, Earl, or are you the state's
designated idiot?
--
"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Nov 2003 10:44:32 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:04:46 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>,
Message ID: <6riorvcuatcucrv3atlggbvdof5v7ekstu@Pern.rk> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:18:53 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> posted in
alt.atheism:
“There is no question the Bush administration wants more power in
the executive branch,” said Robert Levy, a constitutional expert with
the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, who attended the speech.
Until the Democrats regain the Oval Office, at which time the Repugs
will be yelling "abuse of power" when the Dems use the power the
Repugs illegally granted themselves.
Of course.
Ashcroft is trying to counter the effort to scale back the law by
critics, both Democrat and Republican, who believe it was rushed through
while the country was in a panic after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The attorney general said Saturday that the law gives courts
oversight to ensure that powers are not abused and that the
administration welcomes a “bright light of inquiry” on the issues.
While maintaining that the detainees in Cuba aren't under the
jurisdiction of those same courts - because the government decided to
imprison them on foreign soil. Talk about begging the question.
Indeed.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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