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10 Jul 2004 03:10:25 AM |
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OT: The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down |
The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1258117,00.html
The families of dead American soldiers have overcome censorship and
fear
Naomi Klein
Saturday July 10, 2004
The Guardian
There is a remarkable scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 when Lila Lipscomb
talks with an anti-war activist outside the White House about the
death of her 26-year-old son, Michael, in Iraq. A pro-war passerby
doesn't like what she overhears and announces: "This is all staged!"
Ms Lipscomb turns to the woman, her voice shaking with rage, and says:
"My son is not a stage. He was killed in Karbala, April 2. It is not a
stage. My son is dead." Then she walks away and cries: "I need my
son."
Naomi Klein
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0310130208.2e6e3ce6%40posting.google.com
Lila Lipscomb
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0407080037.6cf39ef5%40posting.google.com
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| User: "nobody" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down |
10 Jul 2004 11:13:25 AM |
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On 10 Jul 2004 01:10:25 -0700, (maff) wrote:
The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1258117,00.html
The families of dead American soldiers have overcome censorship and
fear
Naomi Klein
Saturday July 10, 2004
The Guardian
There is a remarkable scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 when Lila Lipscomb
talks with an anti-war activist outside the White House about the
death of her 26-year-old son, Michael, in Iraq. A pro-war passerby
doesn't like what she overhears and announces: "This is all staged!"
Ms Lipscomb turns to the woman, her voice shaking with rage, and says:
"My son is not a stage. He was killed in Karbala, April 2. It is not a
stage. My son is dead." Then she walks away and cries: "I need my
son."
Of course the WH visit was staged (much like the Wal-Mart visit in
BFC). But I am now considering the possibility that the pro-war
passerby and her accusation that it's staged might also be staged, and
if so, it would be pure genius on the part of MM :)
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: OT: The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down |
10 Jul 2004 02:49:20 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:13:25 GMT, nobody <nobody@here.com> wrote:
On 10 Jul 2004 01:10:25 -0700, (maff) wrote:
The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1258117,00.html
The families of dead American soldiers have overcome censorship and
fear
Naomi Klein
Saturday July 10, 2004
The Guardian
There is a remarkable scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 when Lila Lipscomb
talks with an anti-war activist outside the White House about the
death of her 26-year-old son, Michael, in Iraq. A pro-war passerby
doesn't like what she overhears and announces: "This is all staged!"
Ms Lipscomb turns to the woman, her voice shaking with rage, and says:
"My son is not a stage. He was killed in Karbala, April 2. It is not a
stage. My son is dead." Then she walks away and cries: "I need my
son."
Of course the WH visit was staged (much like the Wal-Mart visit in
BFC). But I am now considering the possibility that the pro-war
passerby and her accusation that it's staged might also be staged, and
if so, it would be pure genius on the part of MM :)
No it wasn't. It was something Lila wanted to do and invited Moore
along.
You don't seem to understand the word staged.
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| User: "nobody" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down |
10 Jul 2004 03:51:14 PM |
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On 10 Jul 2004 14:49:20 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:13:25 GMT, nobody <nobody@here.com> wrote:
On 10 Jul 2004 01:10:25 -0700, (maff) wrote:
The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1258117,00.html
The families of dead American soldiers have overcome censorship and
fear
Naomi Klein
Saturday July 10, 2004
The Guardian
There is a remarkable scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 when Lila Lipscomb
talks with an anti-war activist outside the White House about the
death of her 26-year-old son, Michael, in Iraq. A pro-war passerby
doesn't like what she overhears and announces: "This is all staged!"
Ms Lipscomb turns to the woman, her voice shaking with rage, and says:
"My son is not a stage. He was killed in Karbala, April 2. It is not a
stage. My son is dead." Then she walks away and cries: "I need my
son."
Of course the WH visit was staged (much like the Wal-Mart visit in
BFC). But I am now considering the possibility that the pro-war
passerby and her accusation that it's staged might also be staged, and
if so, it would be pure genius on the part of MM :)
No it wasn't. It was something Lila wanted to do and invited Moore
along.
Are you saying that it was staged by Lila? Anyway, even if we are to
believe that Lila initiated it, MM could have staged the pro-war
protester for the added bit of conflict.
You don't seem to understand the word staged.
Can you explain it to me? For instance, what does it mean to "stage a
protest", as in:
http://breaking.tcm.ie/2004/06/27/story154348.html
and how is it any different than what MM and Lila did?
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: OT: The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down |
10 Jul 2004 09:26:19 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:51:14 GMT, nobody <nobody@here.com> wrote:
On 10 Jul 2004 14:49:20 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:13:25 GMT, nobody <nobody@here.com> wrote:
On 10 Jul 2004 01:10:25 -0700, (maff) wrote:
The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1258117,00.html
The families of dead American soldiers have overcome censorship and
fear
Naomi Klein
Saturday July 10, 2004
The Guardian
There is a remarkable scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 when Lila Lipscomb
talks with an anti-war activist outside the White House about the
death of her 26-year-old son, Michael, in Iraq. A pro-war passerby
doesn't like what she overhears and announces: "This is all staged!"
Ms Lipscomb turns to the woman, her voice shaking with rage, and says:
"My son is not a stage. He was killed in Karbala, April 2. It is not a
stage. My son is dead." Then she walks away and cries: "I need my
son."
Of course the WH visit was staged (much like the Wal-Mart visit in
BFC). But I am now considering the possibility that the pro-war
passerby and her accusation that it's staged might also be staged, and
if so, it would be pure genius on the part of MM :)
No it wasn't. It was something Lila wanted to do and invited Moore
along.
Are you saying that it was staged by Lila? Anyway, even if we are to
believe that Lila initiated it, MM could have staged the pro-war
protester for the added bit of conflict.
You don't seem to understand the word staged.
Can you explain it to me? For instance, what does it mean to "stage a
protest", as in:
http://breaking.tcm.ie/2004/06/27/story154348.html
and how is it any different than what MM and Lila did?
Lila went to see the white house and stopped to talk for a moment to a
peace protester who had also lost loved ones and then wept at the
sight of the capitol in dispair over her son's death. Moore filmed it.
What exactly do you think was staged or faked? The talking? The
walking? The crying?
By the way, the lady who said it was staged apologized to Lila a bit
later.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down |
10 Jul 2004 10:33:16 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:10:25 -0700, maff wrote:
The grieving parents who might yet bring Bush down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1258117,00.html
The families of dead American soldiers have overcome censorship and
fear
Indeed. There is a point where the persons fear (of government in this
case) is overriden by (in this case) loss. When the chains of fear are
parted all hell breaks loose.
Naomi Klein
Saturday July 10, 2004
The Guardian
There is a remarkable scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 when Lila Lipscomb
talks with an anti-war activist outside the White House about the
death of her 26-year-old son, Michael, in Iraq. A pro-war passerby
doesn't like what she overhears and announces: "This is all staged!"
Ms Lipscomb turns to the woman, her voice shaking with rage, and says:
"My son is not a stage. He was killed in Karbala, April 2. It is not a
stage. My son is dead." Then she walks away and cries: "I need my
son."
Naomi Klein
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0310130208.2e6e3ce6%40posting.google.com
Lila Lipscomb
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0407080037.6cf39ef5%40posting.google.com
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