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http://www.heraldonline.com/local/story/4124708p-3890580c.html
Updated: 11/21/04
Police stun 75-year-old
Rock Hill chief says Taser was used after woman attacked officer
By Matt Garfield The Herald
The Rock Hill Police Department is investigating why an officer used an
electric stun gun on a 75-year-old woman who refused to leave a nursing home
where she had gone to visit an ailing friend.
The woman, Margaret Kimbrell, said she suffered bruises on her leg and face
after she was knocked to the floor by the force of the weapon, called a
Taser.
Police Chief John Gregory said Tuesday the department is reviewing whether
Officer Hattie Macon's use of the Taser was appropriate -- a step that is
taken in unusual or high-profile cases.
"On face value, it looks like it was," he said. "We have a person who was
asked to leave, who refused and who attempted to assault the officer."
Gregory did not say when the review would be completed. Kimbrell said
Tuesday she's considering legal action against the department.
Kimbrell went to EdenGardens of Rock Hill, a retirement home on Constitution
Boulevard, Friday evening to visit a friend who was scheduled to have colon
surgery this week, she said.
Soon after she arrived, a staff member called police to have her removed for
trespassing. A relative of the friend told an EdenGardens administrator she
did not want Kimbrell there, said Larry Boesen, the home's executive
director.
Police and Kimbrell offer two different versions of what happened after
police arrived.
According to the police report, Kimbrell was sitting in a chair in a waiting
area when Macon, 35, ordered her to leave several times. Kimbrell refused,
jerking her arms away when Macon tried to lead her toward the door.
Police say Kimbrell eventually got up but walked toward the cafeteria after
spotting someone she knew. At that point, the officer blocked Kimbrell and
told her she was under arrest. Kimbrell then swung her arm at the officer,
according to the police report.
That's when Macon used the Taser and placed Kimbrell under arrest.
Kimbrell on Tuesday disagreed with that version of events.
She said she did not swing her arm or threaten Macon.
"As weak as I am, how could I do that?" said Kimbrell, who has arthritis and
suffered six broken ribs in a recent fall in her back yard. "Maybe I was
trespassing, but I didn't know it. I thought they would understand."
She said she got upset because no one would tell her where her friend was --
or even if he was alive.
"I thought he had died," she said. "I was trying to keep from crying."
Kimbrell said Macon pressed the Taser to her back and used it during the
exchange, causing Kimbrell to hit the floor.
"It was the worst pain," said Kimbrell. "It felt like something going
through my body. I thought I was dying. I said, 'Lord, let it be over.'"
Kimbrell said she asked the officer and others at the scene to dial 911
because she was hurt. According to the police report, no one was injured in
the incident.
Macon could not be reached for comment.
Kimbrell, of 1211 Meadow Lakes Road, was taken to the police department and
later issued a citation for resisting police and trespassing. She spent
three hours in a police holding area until her daughter, Donna, picked her
up around 10 p.m., she said.
Kimbrell said she later learned her ailing friend was out taking a walk
during the incident.
Review has been launched
According to the department's policy manual, cases when officers can use
Tasers include when a suspect is threatening to punch or kick, or when
officers "reasonably believe a suspect poses a credible threat."
"I have to believe at that moment, that's what the officer had to believe,"
Gregory said. "We have to look at what was reasonable under the
circumstances. The determination about somebody being right or wrong has not
been made."
Macon, who joined the department almost 18 months ago, remains on duty, said
Gregory. The department has received no previous complaints about her
performance.
"I can't overemphasize how concerned I am," said Gregory. "This case is
getting a lot of attention, and I understand that ... If we find excessive
force was used, we will take the appropriate disciplinary action."
The department is aware that Kimbrell and her family are planning to file a
formal complaint, Gregory said.
Tasers prove effective
Nearly all of Rock Hill's 110 police officers have carried Tasers since last
year, Gregory said. They've been used 57 times this year with no injuries
reported, he said.
Before they are issued the device, officers must complete a four-hour
training course that includes having a Taser used on them. They also must
take a refresher course once a year.
Macon took the refresher course last month, said Capt. Charles Cabannis.
The devices have proven safer and more effective than batons and pepper
spray, Gregory said.
"We have noticed a substatial reduction in injuries to suspects and officers
since we've used them," he said. "It's kept us from having to fight people.
We haven't had to beat anybody with clubs."
Gregory said an official from the S.C. Criminal Justice Academy had called
Tuesday morning to ask if the department could lead a Taser training
exercise for other state agencies -- a sign that the department's policies
are well-respected.
"They're using us as an example," Gregory said. "We have a strict policy."
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22 Nov 2004 01:01:50 AM |
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"Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Clayton...but were afraid to ask!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:41a18bbc$0$20521$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
http://www.heraldonline.com/local/story/4124708p-3890580c.html
Updated: 11/21/04
Police stun 75-year-old
Rock Hill chief says Taser was used after woman attacked officer
By Matt Garfield The Herald
The Rock Hill Police Department is investigating why an officer used an
electric stun gun on a 75-year-old woman who refused to leave a nursing
home
where she had gone to visit an ailing friend.
I long for the occasion when the public decides to use a stun-gun on an
officer when the person feels that the officer "is threatening to punch or
kick," or when the person "reasonably believe[s] an [officer] poses a
credible threat."
Let them feel what it's like to get that kind of ***** out of the blue.
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind of a threat
is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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22 Nov 2004 01:13:58 AM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind
of a threat is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
Not "Him," she was a threat to *His* authority.
That's why police use "Excessive force."
If you think about it, it's quite logical.
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22 Nov 2004 01:13:02 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind
of a threat is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
Not "Him," she was a threat to *His* authority.
That's why police use "Excessive force."
If you think about it, it's quite logical.
His "authority" came from the woman he roughed up. I guess they don't teach
'consent of the governed' in cop school anymore.
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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22 Nov 2004 06:42:34 AM |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 01:13:58 -0600, JTEM wrote
(in article <sqmdnUjW9feBDTzcRVn-ug@comcast.com>):
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind
of a threat is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
Not "Him," she was a threat to *His* authority.
That's why police use "Excessive force."
If you think about it, it's quite logical.
Actually it was "her" authority, Officer Hattie Macon was the officer.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³(B)iological evolution is a team sport.³-Louis Friend
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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22 Nov 2004 07:45:24 PM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:y9god.28759$jq5.10815@fe2.texas.rr.com:
"Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Clayton...but were afraid to
ask!" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:41a18bbc$0$20521$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
http://www.heraldonline.com/local/story/4124708p-3890580c.html
Updated: 11/21/04
Police stun 75-year-old
Rock Hill chief says Taser was used after woman attacked officer
By Matt Garfield The Herald
The Rock Hill Police Department is investigating why an officer used
an electric stun gun on a 75-year-old woman who refused to leave a
nursing
home
where she had gone to visit an ailing friend.
I long for the occasion when the public decides to use a stun-gun on
an officer when the person feels that the officer "is threatening to
punch or kick," or when the person "reasonably believe[s] an [officer]
poses a credible threat."
Let them feel what it's like to get that kind of ***** out of the blue.
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind of a
threat is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
In the last few weeks, a cop used a Taser on a 6-year-old kid:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/12/child.tasered.ap/
....this one is a bit more understandable, I suppose, but DAMN.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
*sig broken; watch for finger*
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| User: "Dale" |
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22 Nov 2004 11:05:16 PM |
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"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95A9C98F0D0E5askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
[...]
In the last few weeks, a cop used a Taser on a 6-year-old kid:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/12/child.tasered.ap/
...this one is a bit more understandable, I suppose, but DAMN.
But even in that case, here's what one cop had to say about that,
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Greenville Police Captain Gary McLaughlin expresses some dismay over the
Miami incidents, and questions whether the use of force was appropriate for
the situation. "Now, a 6-year-old with a piece of glass? Not a gun, not a
knife? I wasn't there, but I feel confident that situation could have been
diffused without using the Taser," says McLaughlin, a 25-year police
veteran. "If I grab him and get a cut on my hand from the glass, that's just
an occupational hazard."
http://www.metrobeat.net/gbase/Expedite/Content?oid=oid%3A3035
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Really, cops ought to be tough enough to take a little beating or a cut now
and then. Getting hurt is not that big of a deal, you just have to get used
to it and not let it freak you out. Firemen and and even car mechanics know
this too, there are all kinds of professions and trades where getting hurt
is a common experience.
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22 Nov 2004 11:24:25 PM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in
news:gyzod.36515$Al3.10542@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com:
"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in
message news:Xns95A9C98F0D0E5askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
[...]
In the last few weeks, a cop used a Taser on a 6-year-old kid:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/12/child.tasered.ap/
...this one is a bit more understandable, I suppose, but DAMN.
But even in that case, here's what one cop had to say about that,
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Greenville Police Captain Gary McLaughlin expresses some dismay over
the Miami incidents, and questions whether the use of force was
appropriate for the situation. "Now, a 6-year-old with a piece of
glass? Not a gun, not a knife? I wasn't there, but I feel confident
that situation could have been diffused without using the Taser," says
McLaughlin, a 25-year police veteran. "If I grab him and get a cut on
my hand from the glass, that's just an occupational hazard."
http://www.metrobeat.net/gbase/Expedite/Content?oid=oid%3A3035
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Really, cops ought to be tough enough to take a little beating or a
cut now and then. Getting hurt is not that big of a deal, you just
have to get used to it and not let it freak you out. Firemen and and
even car mechanics know this too, there are all kinds of professions
and trades where getting hurt is a common experience.
Yup. In this day and age, though, the cop would probably file suit against
the company that made the glass for creating a dangerously defective
product that can be used as a weapon :/
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
*sig broken; watch for finger*
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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22 Nov 2004 12:54:56 PM |
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In our last thrilling episode, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism
on Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:01:50 GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he
fell, he screamed:
I long for the occasion when the public decides to use a stun-gun on an
officer when the person feels that the officer "is threatening to punch or
kick," or when the person "reasonably believe[s] an [officer] poses a
credible threat."
Let them feel what it's like to get that kind of ***** out of the blue.
They know. A standard part of the taser/stun gun training program
involves the officer getting hit. So they all know what it feels
like.
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind of a threat
is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
So, he should just let her assault him? Attack her physically, with
fists and club? Shoot her? Tell the nursing home owners "Sorry, but
she's old and we can't do anything?"
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Dale" |
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22 Nov 2004 10:46:18 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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In our last thrilling episode, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism
[...]
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind of a
threat
is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
So, he should just let her assault him? Attack her physically, with
fists and club? Shoot her? Tell the nursing home owners "Sorry, but
she's old and we can't do anything?"
Oh, please. It's not that hard to control a feeble old woman with a simple
joint lock, and it doesn't take much training to learn how to do it. Nor
does it take much training to get tough enough to take a punch while you're
trying to maintain control of someone, especially the kind of punch that
might be thrown by a feeble old woman.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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23 Nov 2004 02:52:43 AM |
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In our last thrilling episode, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:46:18 GMT
by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
Oh, please. It's not that hard to control a feeble old woman with a simple
joint lock, and it doesn't take much training to learn how to do it. Nor
does it take much training to get tough enough to take a punch while you're
trying to maintain control of someone, especially the kind of punch that
might be thrown by a feeble old woman.
Where in the story does it say the woman was feeble? My mom is
pushing 70, and teaches water aerobics and walks a couple of miles a
day.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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22 Nov 2004 01:34:55 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:jbd4q05fpasj828v769fnfoq5qq0s2lh0v@4ax.com...
In our last thrilling episode, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism
on Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:01:50 GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he
fell, he screamed:
I long for the occasion when the public decides to use a stun-gun on an
officer when the person feels that the officer "is threatening to punch
or
kick," or when the person "reasonably believe[s] an [officer] poses a
credible threat."
Let them feel what it's like to get that kind of ***** out of the blue.
They know. A standard part of the taser/stun gun training program
involves the officer getting hit. So they all know what it feels
like.
My point is to let *me* feel threatened and I'll be the sole determining
factor as to how ready they are when they get hit with it.
Going further, let some black kid in Chicago determine when *he* feels
threatened.
How long do you think it would hold up when that kid tells the judge, "he
was carrying a gun, and I was worried that I'd get shot."
That is the jist of my point.
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind of a
threat
is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
So, he should just let her assault him? Attack her physically, with
fists and club? Shoot her? Tell the nursing home owners "Sorry, but
she's old and we can't do anything?"
You left out pistol whipping.
C'mon, Douglas, you're better than resorting to hysterics and ridiculous,
Nth degree scenarios. A police officer, with months of training and possibly
years of experience had to pop a 75-year-old woman with a Taser? His
physical mass alone gave him the upper hand.
Sorry, but I find the concept of 'threat' here to be stretching it a bit
much.
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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22 Nov 2004 01:57:13 PM |
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In article <jbd4q05fpasj828v769fnfoq5qq0s2lh0v@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
In our last thrilling episode, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism
on Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:01:50 GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he
fell, he screamed:
I long for the occasion when the public decides to use a stun-gun on an
officer when the person feels that the officer "is threatening to punch or
kick," or when the person "reasonably believe[s] an [officer] poses a
credible threat."
Let them feel what it's like to get that kind of ***** out of the blue.
They know. A standard part of the taser/stun gun training program
involves the officer getting hit. So they all know what it feels
like.
They don't know what it feels like for a 75-year-old woman to collapse
to a hard floor. This woman had six broken ribs from a previous such
fall in her backyard.
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind of a threat
is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
So, he should just let her assault him? Attack her physically, with
fists and club? Shoot her? Tell the nursing home owners "Sorry, but
she's old and we can't do anything?"
She is 75 and has arthritis and six broken ribs. I doubt she could swat
a fly, let alone strike a police officer. Both the hospital and the cop
failed to respect this woman's deep concern that her friend might be
dead--an emotionally charged situation that would cause anyone to react
as she did. It's SOP for cops to claim they were assaulted or to say
the suspect was "resisting arrest" in situations where they beat the
crap out of people or assault them for no reason. This cop put her at
risk for severe injury and possibly even a heart attack from the shock
of the Taser, in a situation that didn't require such dramatic measures
(she shot the woman in the back). She should be severely disciplined
for it.
Sean C
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22 Nov 2004 05:26:17 PM |
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Le Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:54:56 +0000, Douglas Berry a écrit :
So, he should just let her assault him? Attack her physically, with fists
and club? Shoot her? Tell the nursing home owners "Sorry, but she's old
and we can't do anything?"
At first, I found you hilarious, and then, I began to realize that you
might actually mean what you write here ... and now I'm scared.
I'm really really scared.
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23 Nov 2004 02:51:27 AM |
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In our last thrilling episode, Divin Marquis <postmaster@127.0.0.1>
was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:26:17
+0100 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
Le Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:54:56 +0000, Douglas Berry a écrit :
So, he should just let her assault him? Attack her physically, with fists
and club? Shoot her? Tell the nursing home owners "Sorry, but she's old
and we can't do anything?"
At first, I found you hilarious, and then, I began to realize that you
might actually mean what you write here ... and now I'm scared.
I'm really really scared.
I notice that you didn't answer the question.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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22 Nov 2004 01:34:46 PM |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:01:50 GMT, "The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
"Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Clayton...but were afraid to ask!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:41a18bbc$0$20521$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
http://www.heraldonline.com/local/story/4124708p-3890580c.html
Updated: 11/21/04
Police stun 75-year-old
Rock Hill chief says Taser was used after woman attacked officer
By Matt Garfield The Herald
The Rock Hill Police Department is investigating why an officer used an
electric stun gun on a 75-year-old woman who refused to leave a nursing
home
where she had gone to visit an ailing friend.
I long for the occasion when the public decides to use a stun-gun on an
officer when the person feels that the officer "is threatening to punch or
kick," or when the person "reasonably believe[s] an [officer] poses a
credible threat."
Let them feel what it's like to get that kind of ***** out of the blue.
A 75-year-old woman.....ain't that the shits. What the hell kind of a threat
is a 75-year-old woman to a police officer?
For all he knew, she mighta had WMD tucked under her apron.
Or just come back from a shopping trip to Niger.
Ya think Osama bin Ladin never thought of 75-year-old grannies as warriors?
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/Apostate
atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
For e-mail, hold that tiger!
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| User: "Dale" |
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22 Nov 2004 01:19:09 AM |
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"Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Clayton...but were afraid to ask!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:41a18bbc$0$20521$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
http://www.heraldonline.com/local/story/4124708p-3890580c.html
Updated: 11/21/04
Police stun 75-year-old
Rock Hill chief says Taser was used after woman attacked officer
By Matt Garfield The Herald
The Rock Hill Police Department is investigating why an officer used an
electric stun gun on a 75-year-old woman who refused to leave a nursing
home
where she had gone to visit an ailing friend.
The woman, Margaret Kimbrell, said she suffered bruises on her leg and
face
after she was knocked to the floor by the force of the weapon, called a
Taser.
Man, what kind of wimp goes after a grandmother with a Taser? If the cop
really needed to control her, which he probably didn't, there are some
simple martial arts techniques you can use control a violent but weaker
person without hurting them. Don't they teach those guys that kind of stuff?
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22 Nov 2004 09:49:25 AM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message news:<Npgod.36285$Al3.24796@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>...
Man, what kind of wimp goes after a grandmother with a Taser? If the cop
really needed to control her, which he probably didn't, there are some
simple martial arts techniques you can use control a violent but weaker
person without hurting them. Don't they teach those guys that kind of stuff?
There's probably a departmental procedure the cop was following
involving use of nonlethal weapons to subdue offenders. Damned
if you do and damned if you don't I'm sure - lawsuit for stunning
grandma, or lawsuit for fracturing grandma's scapula with a
submission hold.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Divin Marquis" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Thin Blue Line Is Apparently An Electric Fence |
22 Nov 2004 05:24:35 PM |
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Le Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:53:43 +1000, Everything You Ever Wanted To Know
About Clayton...but were afraid to ask! a écrit :
"On face value, it looks like it was," he said. "We have a person who was
asked to leave, who refused and who attempted to assault the officer."
75 year old women can be quite dangerous, can't they?
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Thin Blue Line Is Apparently An Electric Fence |
22 Nov 2004 09:32:12 PM |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:24:35 -0600, Divin Marquis wrote
(in article <pan.2004.11.22.23.24.35.841439@127.0.0.1>):
Le Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:53:43 +1000, Everything You Ever Wanted To Know
About Clayton...but were afraid to ask! a écrit :
"On face value, it looks like it was," he said. "We have a person who was
asked to leave, who refused and who attempted to assault the officer."
75 year old women can be quite dangerous, can't they?
Yes, they can be, with a 12 gage shotgun in their hands. I found that out
when I was about 16 and our next door neighbor called us saying that someone
was trying to break into her home. This turned out to be just in her mind,
but nothing quite gets your attention quite like a 12 gage being brought to
bear on you when all you were doing was knocking on her door to let her know
that my dad and I had come over to check on her and that the police were on
their way.
First time in my life I ever took a backward dive off a porch, landed on a
concrete sidewalk more than 8 feet below. Hurt a hell of a lot, but much
better than a face-full of rock salt out of that shotgun would have.
That week her daughter put her into a home, her mind was going. Really was
too bad, I always liked the old lady, she was almost like an extra
grandmother. (A kid can't have too many grandmothers, you know.)
And I point out again, the police officer mentioned in the story was a female
officer, first name was "Hattie."
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Nothing can stand up to atheistic critical examination. You guys are the
proctologists of Religion." - angelicusrex
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