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Religions > Atheism |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Aug 2006 08:53:50 AM |
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OT: They can yap all day long... |
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded in
that event.
One of the top four most studied disasters in the history of US disaster
studies, several days notice and one of the most successful evacuations
of a metro area in US history, yet the feds floundered in trying to help a
few tens of thousands still remaining in the city.
Imagine if the disaster were an attack that comes without warning, without
a chance to evacuate, and from an unexpected direction.
Now we find the public thinks:
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is unprepared for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52 percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: They can yap all day long... |
26 Aug 2006 01:11:35 AM |
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In article <_YednWHQBvpznXLZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded in
that event.
One of the top four most studied disasters in the history of US disaster
studies, several days notice and one of the most successful evacuations
of a metro area in US history, yet the feds floundered in trying to help a
few tens of thousands still remaining in the city.
Imagine if the disaster were an attack that comes without warning, without
a chance to evacuate, and from an unexpected direction.
Now we find the public thinks:
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is unprepared for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52 percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
My nightmare scenario is the terrorists hiding a nuke on a cargo ship
and setting it off in a busy port like New York, Charleston, or L. A.
Or, maybe even worse, loading up a light plane with a biological agent
and spraying it over a large populated area. Given the DHS response to
Katrina, I don't see how the result could be anything but utter
pandemonium.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: They can yap all day long... |
26 Aug 2006 08:42:45 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:11:35 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <_YednWHQBvpznXLZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded in
that event.
One of the top four most studied disasters in the history of US disaster
studies, several days notice and one of the most successful evacuations
of a metro area in US history, yet the feds floundered in trying to help a
few tens of thousands still remaining in the city.
Imagine if the disaster were an attack that comes without warning, without
a chance to evacuate, and from an unexpected direction.
Now we find the public thinks:
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is unprepared for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52 percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
My nightmare scenario is the terrorists hiding a nuke on a cargo ship
and setting it off in a busy port like New York, Charleston, or L. A.
Or, maybe even worse, loading up a light plane with a biological agent
and spraying it over a large populated area. Given the DHS response to
Katrina, I don't see how the result could be anything but utter
pandemonium.
I just can't imagine. The feds couldn't handle something as simple as
getting basic supplies to the Dome. I see wingnuts whine about the flood
but they conveniently ignore that when the feds did get through, the city
was still flooded.
It took *weeks* to drain the city. We're not talking the flood peaked then
went down a few days later, supplies were taken in at the peak of the
flood. People were being evacuated from the Dome at the peak of the flood.
It wasn't at all a matter of "could not." It was a matter of "did not."
The only thing the Bush people cared about was who was going to be "in
charge." I still recall how until Bush was humiliated on the world stage
by the press, the only thing that arrived in the state was a demand to
"federalize" the relief effort. Brown spent the entire time whining about
the "chain of command." It never seemed to occur to anybody in DC to send,
oh, food and water?
I still want to ask Jeb Bush if he had to sign over control of his state
to get help when hurricanes blew through Florida. What do you bet the
answer would be?
Well, don't worry. If there's a major terrorist attack, I'm sure Bush
will... make a speech about it or something...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: They can yap all day long... |
27 Aug 2006 01:28:23 AM |
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In article <Qq6dnfFCq5IIZW3ZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:11:35 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <_YednWHQBvpznXLZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded in
that event.
One of the top four most studied disasters in the history of US disaster
studies, several days notice and one of the most successful evacuations
of a metro area in US history, yet the feds floundered in trying to help a
few tens of thousands still remaining in the city.
Imagine if the disaster were an attack that comes without warning, without
a chance to evacuate, and from an unexpected direction.
Now we find the public thinks:
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is unprepared for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52 percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
My nightmare scenario is the terrorists hiding a nuke on a cargo ship
and setting it off in a busy port like New York, Charleston, or L. A.
Or, maybe even worse, loading up a light plane with a biological agent
and spraying it over a large populated area. Given the DHS response to
Katrina, I don't see how the result could be anything but utter
pandemonium.
I just can't imagine. The feds couldn't handle something as simple as
getting basic supplies to the Dome. I see wingnuts whine about the flood
but they conveniently ignore that when the feds did get through, the city
was still flooded.
There's plenty of Katrina news all over the news and the web today. I
just hope that everyone is reminded of just how incompetent these idiots
are.
It took *weeks* to drain the city. We're not talking the flood peaked then
went down a few days later, supplies were taken in at the peak of the
flood. People were being evacuated from the Dome at the peak of the flood.
It wasn't at all a matter of "could not." It was a matter of "did not."
Exactly.
The only thing the Bush people cared about was who was going to be "in
charge." I still recall how until Bush was humiliated on the world stage
by the press, the only thing that arrived in the state was a demand to
"federalize" the relief effort. Brown spent the entire time whining about
the "chain of command." It never seemed to occur to anybody in DC to send,
oh, food and water?
Yeah. "Heckuva job, Brownie!" Words which will live in infamy.
I still want to ask Jeb Bush if he had to sign over control of his state
to get help when hurricanes blew through Florida. What do you bet the
answer would be?
No. I think it's a given.
Well, don't worry. If there's a major terrorist attack, I'm sure Bush
will... make a speech about it or something...
Or run off and read his pet goat book again.
Don't look now, but N.O. may be under the gun again by the end of the
week. Ernesto may be coming to visit.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: They can yap all day long... |
27 Aug 2006 08:31:21 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:23 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <Qq6dnfFCq5IIZW3ZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:11:35 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <_YednWHQBvpznXLZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded in
that event.
One of the top four most studied disasters in the history of US disaster
studies, several days notice and one of the most successful evacuations
of a metro area in US history, yet the feds floundered in trying to help a
few tens of thousands still remaining in the city.
Imagine if the disaster were an attack that comes without warning, without
a chance to evacuate, and from an unexpected direction.
Now we find the public thinks:
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is unprepared for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52 percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
My nightmare scenario is the terrorists hiding a nuke on a cargo ship
and setting it off in a busy port like New York, Charleston, or L. A.
Or, maybe even worse, loading up a light plane with a biological agent
and spraying it over a large populated area. Given the DHS response to
Katrina, I don't see how the result could be anything but utter
pandemonium.
I just can't imagine. The feds couldn't handle something as simple as
getting basic supplies to the Dome. I see wingnuts whine about the flood
but they conveniently ignore that when the feds did get through, the city
was still flooded.
There's plenty of Katrina news all over the news and the web today. I
just hope that everyone is reminded of just how incompetent these idiots
are.
They figure they can turn it around by wallowing in 9/11 in a couple of
weeks.
It took *weeks* to drain the city. We're not talking the flood peaked
then went down a few days later, supplies were taken in at the peak of
the flood. People were being evacuated from the Dome at the peak of the
flood. It wasn't at all a matter of "could not." It was a matter of
"did not."
Exactly.
The only thing the Bush people cared about was who was going to be "in
charge." I still recall how until Bush was humiliated on the world
stage by the press, the only thing that arrived in the state was a
demand to "federalize" the relief effort. Brown spent the entire time
whining about the "chain of command." It never seemed to occur to
anybody in DC to send, oh, food and water?
Yeah. "Heckuva job, Brownie!" Words which will live in infamy.
I still want to ask Jeb Bush if he had to sign over control of his
state to get help when hurricanes blew through Florida. What do you bet
the answer would be?
No. I think it's a given.
Well, don't worry. If there's a major terrorist attack, I'm sure Bush
will... make a speech about it or something...
Or run off and read his pet goat book again.
Don't look now, but N.O. may be under the gun again by the end of the
week. Ernesto may be coming to visit.
My money's on Florida. In fact, the models appear to be converging on
Disney World...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: They can yap all day long... |
28 Aug 2006 12:07:21 AM |
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In article <08GdnUWGbJw0A2zZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:23 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <Qq6dnfFCq5IIZW3ZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:11:35 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <_YednWHQBvpznXLZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded in
that event.
One of the top four most studied disasters in the history of US
disaster
studies, several days notice and one of the most successful evacuations
of a metro area in US history, yet the feds floundered in trying to
help a
few tens of thousands still remaining in the city.
Imagine if the disaster were an attack that comes without warning,
without
a chance to evacuate, and from an unexpected direction.
Now we find the public thinks:
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is unprepared
for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52 percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
My nightmare scenario is the terrorists hiding a nuke on a cargo ship
and setting it off in a busy port like New York, Charleston, or L. A.
Or, maybe even worse, loading up a light plane with a biological agent
and spraying it over a large populated area. Given the DHS response to
Katrina, I don't see how the result could be anything but utter
pandemonium.
I just can't imagine. The feds couldn't handle something as simple as
getting basic supplies to the Dome. I see wingnuts whine about the flood
but they conveniently ignore that when the feds did get through, the city
was still flooded.
There's plenty of Katrina news all over the news and the web today. I
just hope that everyone is reminded of just how incompetent these idiots
are.
They figure they can turn it around by wallowing in 9/11 in a couple of
weeks.
Yeah. They did such a wonderful job there too. Osama who?
It took *weeks* to drain the city. We're not talking the flood peaked
then went down a few days later, supplies were taken in at the peak of
the flood. People were being evacuated from the Dome at the peak of the
flood. It wasn't at all a matter of "could not." It was a matter of
"did not."
Exactly.
The only thing the Bush people cared about was who was going to be "in
charge." I still recall how until Bush was humiliated on the world
stage by the press, the only thing that arrived in the state was a
demand to "federalize" the relief effort. Brown spent the entire time
whining about the "chain of command." It never seemed to occur to
anybody in DC to send, oh, food and water?
Yeah. "Heckuva job, Brownie!" Words which will live in infamy.
I still want to ask Jeb Bush if he had to sign over control of his
state to get help when hurricanes blew through Florida. What do you bet
the answer would be?
No. I think it's a given.
Well, don't worry. If there's a major terrorist attack, I'm sure Bush
will... make a speech about it or something...
Or run off and read his pet goat book again.
Don't look now, but N.O. may be under the gun again by the end of the
week. Ernesto may be coming to visit.
My money's on Florida. In fact, the models appear to be converging on
Disney World...
Florida is the latest forecast, but Ernesto is turning into a wimp and
may not even be a hurricane by the time it gets up there.
I truly hope that it misses Disney World so we don't have to hear Pat
say "Told you so!" over and over and over again.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: They can yap all day long... |
28 Aug 2006 07:02:27 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:07:21 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <08GdnUWGbJw0A2zZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:23 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <Qq6dnfFCq5IIZW3ZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:11:35 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <_YednWHQBvpznXLZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded in
that event.
One of the top four most studied disasters in the history of US
disaster
studies, several days notice and one of the most successful evacuations
of a metro area in US history, yet the feds floundered in trying to
help a
few tens of thousands still remaining in the city.
Imagine if the disaster were an attack that comes without warning,
without
a chance to evacuate, and from an unexpected direction.
Now we find the public thinks:
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is unprepared
for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52 percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
My nightmare scenario is the terrorists hiding a nuke on a cargo ship
and setting it off in a busy port like New York, Charleston, or L. A.
Or, maybe even worse, loading up a light plane with a biological agent
and spraying it over a large populated area. Given the DHS response to
Katrina, I don't see how the result could be anything but utter
pandemonium.
I just can't imagine. The feds couldn't handle something as simple as
getting basic supplies to the Dome. I see wingnuts whine about the flood
but they conveniently ignore that when the feds did get through, the city
was still flooded.
There's plenty of Katrina news all over the news and the web today. I
just hope that everyone is reminded of just how incompetent these idiots
are.
They figure they can turn it around by wallowing in 9/11 in a couple of
weeks.
Yeah. They did such a wonderful job there too. Osama who?
But Ann Coulter says things are going "swimmingly!"
It took *weeks* to drain the city. We're not talking the flood peaked
then went down a few days later, supplies were taken in at the peak of
the flood. People were being evacuated from the Dome at the peak of the
flood. It wasn't at all a matter of "could not." It was a matter of
"did not."
Exactly.
The only thing the Bush people cared about was who was going to be "in
charge." I still recall how until Bush was humiliated on the world
stage by the press, the only thing that arrived in the state was a
demand to "federalize" the relief effort. Brown spent the entire time
whining about the "chain of command." It never seemed to occur to
anybody in DC to send, oh, food and water?
Yeah. "Heckuva job, Brownie!" Words which will live in infamy.
I still want to ask Jeb Bush if he had to sign over control of his
state to get help when hurricanes blew through Florida. What do you bet
the answer would be?
No. I think it's a given.
Well, don't worry. If there's a major terrorist attack, I'm sure Bush
will... make a speech about it or something...
Or run off and read his pet goat book again.
Don't look now, but N.O. may be under the gun again by the end of the
week. Ernesto may be coming to visit.
My money's on Florida. In fact, the models appear to be converging on
Disney World...
Florida is the latest forecast, but Ernesto is turning into a wimp and
may not even be a hurricane by the time it gets up there.
I truly hope that it misses Disney World so we don't have to hear Pat
say "Told you so!" over and over and over again.
Interestingly enough, the NHC track has shifted even further East now. And
GFLD is projecting a landfall pretty close to Pat hisownself...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: They can yap all day long... |
29 Aug 2006 12:11:37 AM |
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In article <LJ-dnXJOZqbORm_ZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:07:21 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <08GdnUWGbJw0A2zZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:23 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <Qq6dnfFCq5IIZW3ZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:11:35 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <_YednWHQBvpznXLZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy
but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded
in
that event.
One of the top four most studied disasters in the history of US
disaster
studies, several days notice and one of the most successful
evacuations
of a metro area in US history, yet the feds floundered in trying to
help a
few tens of thousands still remaining in the city.
Imagine if the disaster were an attack that comes without warning,
without
a chance to evacuate, and from an unexpected direction.
Now we find the public thinks:
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is
unprepared
for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52
percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack
might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
My nightmare scenario is the terrorists hiding a nuke on a cargo ship
and setting it off in a busy port like New York, Charleston, or L. A.
Or, maybe even worse, loading up a light plane with a biological
agent
and spraying it over a large populated area. Given the DHS response
to
Katrina, I don't see how the result could be anything but utter
pandemonium.
I just can't imagine. The feds couldn't handle something as simple as
getting basic supplies to the Dome. I see wingnuts whine about the
flood
but they conveniently ignore that when the feds did get through, the
city
was still flooded.
There's plenty of Katrina news all over the news and the web today. I
just hope that everyone is reminded of just how incompetent these idiots
are.
They figure they can turn it around by wallowing in 9/11 in a couple of
weeks.
Yeah. They did such a wonderful job there too. Osama who?
But Ann Coulter says things are going "swimmingly!"
It took *weeks* to drain the city. We're not talking the flood peaked
then went down a few days later, supplies were taken in at the peak of
the flood. People were being evacuated from the Dome at the peak of the
flood. It wasn't at all a matter of "could not." It was a matter of
"did not."
Exactly.
The only thing the Bush people cared about was who was going to be "in
charge." I still recall how until Bush was humiliated on the world
stage by the press, the only thing that arrived in the state was a
demand to "federalize" the relief effort. Brown spent the entire time
whining about the "chain of command." It never seemed to occur to
anybody in DC to send, oh, food and water?
Yeah. "Heckuva job, Brownie!" Words which will live in infamy.
I still want to ask Jeb Bush if he had to sign over control of his
state to get help when hurricanes blew through Florida. What do you bet
the answer would be?
No. I think it's a given.
Well, don't worry. If there's a major terrorist attack, I'm sure Bush
will... make a speech about it or something...
Or run off and read his pet goat book again.
Don't look now, but N.O. may be under the gun again by the end of the
week. Ernesto may be coming to visit.
My money's on Florida. In fact, the models appear to be converging on
Disney World...
Florida is the latest forecast, but Ernesto is turning into a wimp and
may not even be a hurricane by the time it gets up there.
I truly hope that it misses Disney World so we don't have to hear Pat
say "Told you so!" over and over and over again.
Interestingly enough, the NHC track has shifted even further East now. And
GFLD is projecting a landfall pretty close to Pat hisownself...
Heh! It's also going to delay the shuttle launch.
Not to change the subject too much, but History Channel had a two hour
documentary on the 1938 hurricane that kicked butt on Long Island and
New England. No levees up there, but think Katrina with a New England
accent.
When I was young, my family vacationed on Eastern Long Island. I
remember one of the local survivors telling us how he and others watched
from a safe distance as the storm's gigantic waves blasted through a
barrier island to create a new inlet. That must have been awesome.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: They can yap all day long... |
28 Aug 2006 04:35:03 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:02:27 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:07:21 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <08GdnUWGbJw0A2zZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
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Florida is the latest forecast, but Ernesto is turning into a wimp and
may not even be a hurricane by the time it gets up there.
I truly hope that it misses Disney World so we don't have to hear Pat
say "Told you so!" over and over and over again.
Interestingly enough, the NHC track has shifted even further East now. And
GFLD is projecting a landfall pretty close to Pat hisownself...
Hopefully, 'God' doesn't screw up this time.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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28 Aug 2006 05:21:23 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:35:03 -0700, stoney wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:02:27 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:07:21 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <08GdnUWGbJw0A2zZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
[]
Florida is the latest forecast, but Ernesto is turning into a wimp and
may not even be a hurricane by the time it gets up there.
I truly hope that it misses Disney World so we don't have to hear Pat
say "Told you so!" over and over and over again.
Interestingly enough, the NHC track has shifted even further East now. And
GFLD is projecting a landfall pretty close to Pat hisownself...
Hopefully, 'God' doesn't screw up this time.
If there was a "god," the hurricane would form right on top of Robertson...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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29 Aug 2006 12:03:22 AM |
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In article <acGdnWQEP4b-8W7ZnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:35:03 -0700, stoney wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:02:27 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:07:21 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <08GdnUWGbJw0A2zZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
[]
Florida is the latest forecast, but Ernesto is turning into a wimp and
may not even be a hurricane by the time it gets up there.
I truly hope that it misses Disney World so we don't have to hear Pat
say "Told you so!" over and over and over again.
Interestingly enough, the NHC track has shifted even further East now. And
GFLD is projecting a landfall pretty close to Pat hisownself...
Hopefully, 'God' doesn't screw up this time.
If there was a "god," the hurricane would form right on top of Robertson...
If I were 'gawd' it would be a category 7.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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30 Aug 2006 02:21:44 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:21:23 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:35:03 -0700, stoney wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:02:27 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:07:21 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <08GdnUWGbJw0A2zZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@megapath.net>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
[]
Florida is the latest forecast, but Ernesto is turning into a wimp and
may not even be a hurricane by the time it gets up there.
I truly hope that it misses Disney World so we don't have to hear Pat
say "Told you so!" over and over and over again.
Interestingly enough, the NHC track has shifted even further East now. And
GFLD is projecting a landfall pretty close to Pat hisownself...
Hopefully, 'God' doesn't screw up this time.
If there was a "god," the hurricane would form right on top of Robertson...
And the rest of the motley crew.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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25 Aug 2006 01:59:47 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded in
that event.
Last night I caught part of an interview with Bush. He was asked what
he would have done differently if he knew how badly things would be
handled during Katrina, and he said, "I would...uh, there should have
been better communication between Federal agencies." He absolutely
refused to take any responsibility for himself or to admit he may have
been able to do something more effective himself.
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is unprepared for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52 percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
I wonder if it's begun to sink in with those people who were thanking
god that a man like Bush was in the power to deal with these nasty
terrorists that it's because a man like Bush was in power they were able
to strike at all.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Aug 2006 05:04:02 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:59:47 -0500, L. Raymond wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
The wingnuts shriek about Katrina and the Army Corp of Engineers
incompetence and corruption flood and try to shift blame like crazy but
the fact is, confidence in the Bush government was severely wounded in
that event.
Last night I caught part of an interview with Bush. He was asked what
he would have done differently if he knew how badly things would be
handled during Katrina, and he said, "I would...uh, there should have
been better communication between Federal agencies." He absolutely
refused to take any responsibility for himself or to admit he may have
been able to do something more effective himself.
You appear to presume he can even conceive of what "effective" is.
"...55 percent said they believe the federal government is unprepared for
a terrorist attack targeting any U.S. town or city. Another 52 percent
said the government is unprepared to handle the damage the attack might
cause."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/23/terror.poll/index.html
I wonder if it's begun to sink in with those people who were thanking
god that a man like Bush was in the power to deal with these nasty
terrorists that it's because a man like Bush was in power they were able
to strike at all.
That would be the other shoe waiting to drop.
In the mean time, it's, what, four days now to the "anniversary?" No
wonder I was trying to get out of here in such a rush. You can't turn
around without having IT shoved in your face. And I'm depressed.
This is one "anniversary" I could do without...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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25 Aug 2006 11:56:39 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In the mean time, it's, what, four days now to the "anniversary?" No
wonder I was trying to get out of here in such a rush. You can't turn
around without having IT shoved in your face. And I'm depressed.
This is one "anniversary" I could do without...
Try not to be passing through Houston on Thursday. Current long range
predictions for TS Ernesto is that it'll be a Category 2 hurricane
drawing a bead on Galveston sometime late Wednesday night. Maybe even a
cat 3.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Aug 2006 08:18:02 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:56:39 -0500, L. Raymond wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In the mean time, it's, what, four days now to the "anniversary?" No
wonder I was trying to get out of here in such a rush. You can't turn
around without having IT shoved in your face. And I'm depressed.
This is one "anniversary" I could do without...
Try not to be passing through Houston on Thursday. Current long range
predictions for TS Ernesto is that it'll be a Category 2 hurricane
drawing a bead on Galveston sometime late Wednesday night. Maybe even a
cat 3.
Actually, NHC puts it still well out in the Gulf Thursday morning:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/114506.shtml?5day
Looks like it'd still be a day and half to two days out by then. The
models are split and some are pointing to the storm dissipating this
weekend. Though I read the Canadian and EU models are predicting a storm
(not hurricane) landfall in Florida. But no model is accurate this far out.
Too hard to tell. We have favorable shear going on out there that could
tear him apart in the next couple of days. If not, then by Wednesday, I
may load up the dogs and head to the new place before the rush. Especially
if the NHC track stays where it is or shifts East. The current NHC track
(though this far out, no model is accurate) has him aimed at the
Texas-Louisiana border. About where Rita landed.
'Course if everything shifts hard to the West, I'll stay put as Houston
would be much, much too fun to pass through.
But, anyway...
It's way too early to say anything. The thing could be gone by Monday.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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26 Aug 2006 10:28:41 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:56:39 -0500, L. Raymond wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In the mean time, it's, what, four days now to the "anniversary?" No
wonder I was trying to get out of here in such a rush. You can't turn
around without having IT shoved in your face. And I'm depressed.
This is one "anniversary" I could do without...
Try not to be passing through Houston on Thursday. Current long range
predictions for TS Ernesto is that it'll be a Category 2 hurricane
drawing a bead on Galveston sometime late Wednesday night. Maybe even a
cat 3.
Actually, NHC puts it still well out in the Gulf Thursday morning:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/114506.shtml?5day
Looks like it'd still be a day and half to two days out by then. The
models are split and some are pointing to the storm dissipating this
weekend. Though I read the Canadian and EU models are predicting a storm
(not hurricane) landfall in Florida. But no model is accurate this far out.
Too hard to tell. We have favorable shear going on out there that could
tear him apart in the next couple of days. If not, then by Wednesday, I
may load up the dogs and head to the new place before the rush. Especially
if the NHC track stays where it is or shifts East. The current NHC track
(though this far out, no model is accurate) has him aimed at the
Texas-Louisiana border. About where Rita landed.
Better look at today's 1000 5-day...a possible turn more to the northwest by
Wednesday, with the next 24 hours pointing Ernesto right at Barataria Bay.
Worse, the high that's been sitting inland in Alabama may be moving east,
which would tend to draw him more north and easterly than at present. Either
way, it's not good news for those in his path.
'Course if everything shifts hard to the West, I'll stay put as Houston
would be much, much too fun to pass through.
But, anyway...
It's way too early to say anything. The thing could be gone by Monday.
That's what I'm hoping for. Rita was more than enough for this decade, for
us. (If it comes to that again, this time we're taking the FMs out of town to
central Texas, and trying to avoid metro-wide traffic jams that got us 60
miles from home in only thirteen hours...)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
RIP Irene Aldridge Compton
December 2, 1909, Keokee, Va.
August 24, 2006, Benham, Ky.
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26 Aug 2006 01:06:21 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:28:41 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:56:39 -0500, L. Raymond wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In the mean time, it's, what, four days now to the "anniversary?" No
wonder I was trying to get out of here in such a rush. You can't turn
around without having IT shoved in your face. And I'm depressed.
This is one "anniversary" I could do without...
Try not to be passing through Houston on Thursday. Current long range
predictions for TS Ernesto is that it'll be a Category 2 hurricane
drawing a bead on Galveston sometime late Wednesday night. Maybe even a
cat 3.
Actually, NHC puts it still well out in the Gulf Thursday morning:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/114506.shtml?5day
Looks like it'd still be a day and half to two days out by then. The
models are split and some are pointing to the storm dissipating this
weekend. Though I read the Canadian and EU models are predicting a storm
(not hurricane) landfall in Florida. But no model is accurate this far out.
Too hard to tell. We have favorable shear going on out there that could
tear him apart in the next couple of days. If not, then by Wednesday, I
may load up the dogs and head to the new place before the rush. Especially
if the NHC track stays where it is or shifts East. The current NHC track
(though this far out, no model is accurate) has him aimed at the
Texas-Louisiana border. About where Rita landed.
Better look at today's 1000 5-day...a possible turn more to the northwest by
Wednesday, with the next 24 hours pointing Ernesto right at Barataria Bay.
Worse, the high that's been sitting inland in Alabama may be moving east,
which would tend to draw him more north and easterly than at present. Either
way, it's not good news for those in his path.
It's still too far out to tell anything. And the models are all over the
place. Considering the whole thing about Katrina's track pointing at the
Florida panhandle Friday then jumping our way sometime that night/Saturday
morning, who knows a week out?
http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/picservice.asp?t=m&m=05
Myself, I blow off UKMET, that thing goes wild. GFLD is being weird with
that job over Cuba and the sharp Eastern turn.
But there are three aimed at Texas, NHC our direction (but there's *seems*
to me to err to the East a bit, did with Katrina until two days out) and
GFLD with it... I think GFLD believes Ernesto is driving drunk.
Dunno. It's worth watching. We do still have high shear out there and that
could be the reason GFLD is going wildly to the East. Shear could just rip
Ernesto apart (and one hopes).
I saw recently that the "hot spot" off our coast isn't as big as it was
last year. Hopefully that's still true. Both Katrina and Rita powered up
big time over that thing.
'Course if everything shifts hard to the West, I'll stay put as Houston
would be much, much too fun to pass through.
But, anyway...
It's way too early to say anything. The thing could be gone by Monday.
That's what I'm hoping for. Rita was more than enough for this decade, for
us. (If it comes to that again, this time we're taking the FMs out of town to
central Texas, and trying to avoid metro-wide traffic jams that got us 60
miles from home in only thirteen hours...)
That's worse than it was here. It took us about 10 hours to go 100 miles in
the Katrina evacuation.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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26 Aug 2006 05:32:55 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:28:41 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:56:39 -0500, L. Raymond wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In the mean time, it's, what, four days now to the "anniversary?" No
wonder I was trying to get out of here in such a rush. You can't turn
around without having IT shoved in your face. And I'm depressed.
This is one "anniversary" I could do without...
Try not to be passing through Houston on Thursday. Current long range
predictions for TS Ernesto is that it'll be a Category 2 hurricane
drawing a bead on Galveston sometime late Wednesday night. Maybe even a
cat 3.
Actually, NHC puts it still well out in the Gulf Thursday morning:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/114506.shtml?5day
Looks like it'd still be a day and half to two days out by then. The
models are split and some are pointing to the storm dissipating this
weekend. Though I read the Canadian and EU models are predicting a storm
(not hurricane) landfall in Florida. But no model is accurate this far out.
Too hard to tell. We have favorable shear going on out there that could
tear him apart in the next couple of days. If not, then by Wednesday, I
may load up the dogs and head to the new place before the rush. Especially
if the NHC track stays where it is or shifts East. The current NHC track
(though this far out, no model is accurate) has him aimed at the
Texas-Louisiana border. About where Rita landed.
Better look at today's 1000 5-day...a possible turn more to the northwest
by Wednesday, with the next 24 hours pointing Ernesto right at Barataria
Bay. Worse, the high that's been sitting inland in Alabama may be moving
east, which would tend to draw him more north and easterly than at present.
Either way, it's not good news for those in his path.
It's still too far out to tell anything. And the models are all over the
place. Considering the whole thing about Katrina's track pointing at the
Florida panhandle Friday then jumping our way sometime that night/Saturday
morning, who knows a week out?
http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/picservice.asp?t=m&m=05
Myself, I blow off UKMET, that thing goes wild. GFLD is being weird with
that job over Cuba and the sharp Eastern turn.
GFDL was acting flaky with the 1000 one, as well...and both BAMs are tilting
westward towards Tamaulipas. Still, they all tend to center out around our
part of the coast, so it's wait and watch time, still.
But there are three aimed at Texas, NHC our direction (but there's *seems*
to me to err to the East a bit, did with Katrina until two days out) and
GFLD with it... I think GFLD believes Ernesto is driving drunk.
Dunno. It's worth watching. We do still have high shear out there and that
could be the reason GFLD is going wildly to the East. Shear could just rip
Ernesto apart (and one hopes).
I won't mind if that happens.
I saw recently that the "hot spot" off our coast isn't as big as it was
last year. Hopefully that's still true. Both Katrina and Rita powered up
big time over that thing.
The loop current out there appears to be a bit smaller than 2005, but there is
still some pretty hot water off the Texas coast, even if the area hotter than
30° has shrunk a bit over the last couple of weeks (basically, the coast from
around the Coastal Bend all the way over to around Homestead is within that
isotherm, with a polyp of it sticking out southwestward toward Veracruz).
'Course if everything shifts hard to the West, I'll stay put as Houston
would be much, much too fun to pass through.
But, anyway...
It's way too early to say anything. The thing could be gone by Monday.
That's what I'm hoping for. Rita was more than enough for this decade, for
us. (If it comes to that again, this time we're taking the FMs out of town
to central Texas, and trying to avoid metro-wide traffic jams that got us
60 miles from home in only thirteen hours...)
That's worse than it was here. It took us about 10 hours to go 100 miles in
the Katrina evacuation.
That's because we had a couple of million more trying to get out, with fewer
clues as to how to get out...and the contraflow experiment. This time, we'll
stay away from the stampede through Magnolia and Plantersville...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
RIP Irene Aldridge Compton
December 2, 1909, Keokee, Va.
August 24, 2006, Benham, Ky.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Aug 2006 08:28:31 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:32:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:28:41 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:56:39 -0500, L. Raymond wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In the mean time, it's, what, four days now to the "anniversary?" No
wonder I was trying to get out of here in such a rush. You can't turn
around without having IT shoved in your face. And I'm depressed.
This is one "anniversary" I could do without...
Try not to be passing through Houston on Thursday. Current long range
predictions for TS Ernesto is that it'll be a Category 2 hurricane
drawing a bead on Galveston sometime late Wednesday night. Maybe even a
cat 3.
Actually, NHC puts it still well out in the Gulf Thursday morning:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/114506.shtml?5day
Looks like it'd still be a day and half to two days out by then. The
models are split and some are pointing to the storm dissipating this
weekend. Though I read the Canadian and EU models are predicting a storm
(not hurricane) landfall in Florida. But no model is accurate this far out.
Too hard to tell. We have favorable shear going on out there that could
tear him apart in the next couple of days. If not, then by Wednesday, I
may load up the dogs and head to the new place before the rush. Especially
if the NHC track stays where it is or shifts East. The current NHC track
(though this far out, no model is accurate) has him aimed at the
Texas-Louisiana border. About where Rita landed.
Better look at today's 1000 5-day...a possible turn more to the northwest
by Wednesday, with the next 24 hours pointing Ernesto right at Barataria
Bay. Worse, the high that's been sitting inland in Alabama may be moving
east, which would tend to draw him more north and easterly than at present.
Either way, it's not good news for those in his path.
It's still too far out to tell anything. And the models are all over the
place. Considering the whole thing about Katrina's track pointing at the
Florida panhandle Friday then jumping our way sometime that night/Saturday
morning, who knows a week out?
http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/picservice.asp?t=m&m=05
Myself, I blow off UKMET, that thing goes wild. GFLD is being weird with
that job over Cuba and the sharp Eastern turn.
GFDL was acting flaky with the 1000 one, as well...and both BAMs are tilting
westward towards Tamaulipas. Still, they all tend to center out around our
part of the coast, so it's wait and watch time, still.
I recall the BAMs being fairly accurate. But also NHC and GFLD are pretty
good as models go.
Basically, when those four converge, I panic. <g>
But there are three aimed at Texas, NHC our direction (but there's *seems*
to me to err to the East a bit, did with Katrina until two days out) and
GFLD with it... I think GFLD believes Ernesto is driving drunk.
Dunno. It's worth watching. We do still have high shear out there and that
could be the reason GFLD is going wildly to the East. Shear could just rip
Ernesto apart (and one hopes).
I won't mind if that happens.
I saw recently that the "hot spot" off our coast isn't as big as it was
last year. Hopefully that's still true. Both Katrina and Rita powered up
big time over that thing.
The loop current out there appears to be a bit smaller than 2005, but there is
still some pretty hot water off the Texas coast, even if the area hotter than
30° has shrunk a bit over the last couple of weeks (basically, the coast from
around the Coastal Bend all the way over to around Homestead is within that
isotherm, with a polyp of it sticking out southwestward toward Veracruz).
I still prefer this year's "less favorable for hurricanes" conditions than
last year's "OHMYFREAKINGODRUN!!!" conditions. <G>
We're not out of the woods but by this time last year, we were on our 12th
named storm, 5th hurricane, 3rd landfall of a hurricane, and Katrina was
on her way to making her second landfall.
It was like an LA freeway out there in the Gulf.
'Course if everything shifts hard to the West, I'll stay put as Houston
would be much, much too fun to pass through.
But, anyway...
It's way too early to say anything. The thing could be gone by Monday.
That's what I'm hoping for. Rita was more than enough for this decade, for
us. (If it comes to that again, this time we're taking the FMs out of town
to central Texas, and trying to avoid metro-wide traffic jams that got us
60 miles from home in only thirteen hours...)
That's worse than it was here. It took us about 10 hours to go 100 miles in
the Katrina evacuation.
That's because we had a couple of million more trying to get out, with fewer
clues as to how to get out...and the contraflow experiment. This time, we'll
stay away from the stampede through Magnolia and Plantersville...
One thing Rita showed is Houston was in no way ready. And I haven't heard
anything about Texas getting its evacuation plans in order over the past
year.
Perry's ***** should have been toasted over that cluster *****. Instead,
we've heard nothing but carping at Nagin, Blanco, et al over stupid things
like "those buses." I tangled with some idiots on a Houston area online
forum when they were actually crowing about the evacuation over there.
Remarks about how Louisiana could "learn something" from it. I had to ask
"learn to ***** up?"
This is a case of where being blindly partisan is going to kill people.
People need to pay attention to what works, not who's the Republican and
who's the Democrat. I was appalled.
The simple facts are that Louisiana moved 80 to 85% of the metro area out
of harm's way in two days. To match that, the Houston-Galveston metro
would have to move about 4.4 million people in two days. As it was, they
did about half that and in such a panicked rush, next time they're going
to discover why you have to be careful about evacuations. When people go
through hell only to have the hurricane turn and nothing happen, they
don't want to listen to you next time.
Oh, little publicised fact:
The mayor of Houston and others thought the phased evacuation approach we
used was a good idea. They were pushing to do Houston the same way. Guess
who vetoed the idea and dumped everybody on the freeways at the same time?
FEMA.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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27 Aug 2006 12:50:31 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:32:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:28:41 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:56:39 -0500, L. Raymond wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In the mean time, it's, what, four days now to the "anniversary?" No
wonder I was trying to get out of here in such a rush. You can't turn
around without having IT shoved in your face. And I'm depressed.
This is one "anniversary" I could do without...
Try not to be passing through Houston on Thursday. Current long range
predictions for TS Ernesto is that it'll be a Category 2 hurricane
drawing a bead on Galveston sometime late Wednesday night. Maybe even a
cat 3.
Actually, NHC puts it still well out in the Gulf Thursday morning:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/114506.shtml?5day
Looks like it'd still be a day and half to two days out by then. The
models are split and some are pointing to the storm dissipating this
weekend. Though I read the Canadian and EU models are predicting a storm
(not hurricane) landfall in Florida. But no model is accurate this far
out.
Too hard to tell. We have favorable shear going on out there that could
tear him apart in the next couple of days. If not, then by Wednesday, I
may load up the dogs and head to the new place before the rush. Especially
if the NHC track stays where it is or shifts East. The current NHC track
(though this far out, no model is accurate) has him aimed at the
Texas-Louisiana border. About where Rita landed.
Better look at today's 1000 5-day...a possible turn more to the northwest
by Wednesday, with the next 24 hours pointing Ernesto right at Barataria
Bay. Worse, the high that's been sitting inland in Alabama may be moving
east, which would tend to draw him more north and easterly than at
present. Either way, it's not good news for those in his path.
It's still too far out to tell anything. And the models are all over the
place. Considering the whole thing about Katrina's track pointing at the
Florida panhandle Friday then jumping our way sometime that night/Saturday
morning, who knows a week out?
http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/picservice.asp?t=m&m=05
Myself, I blow off UKMET, that thing goes wild. GFLD is being weird with
that job over Cuba and the sharp Eastern turn.
GFDL was acting flaky with the 1000 one, as well...and both BAMs are tilting
westward towards Tamaulipas. Still, they all tend to center out around our
part of the coast, so it's wait and watch time, still.
I recall the BAMs being fairly accurate. But also NHC and GFLD are pretty
good as models go.
Basically, when those four converge, I panic. <g>
The 2300 is getting interesting, with BAMD running over north Yucatán while
BAMM has him running the strait dead center between Yucatán and the west tip
of Cuba, and now GFDL's pointing at Mobile Bay. They're starting to shift a
bit eastward, but there's still 120+ hours to go.
But there are three aimed at Texas, NHC our direction (but there's *seems*
to me to err to the East a bit, did with Katrina until two days out) and
GFLD with it... I think GFLD believes Ernesto is driving drunk.
Dunno. It's worth watching. We do still have high shear out there and that
could be the reason GFLD is going wildly to the East. Shear could just rip
Ernesto apart (and one hopes).
I won't mind if that happens.
I saw recently that the "hot spot" off our coast isn't as big as it was
last year. Hopefully that's still true. Both Katrina and Rita powered up
big time over that thing.
The loop current out there appears to be a bit smaller than 2005, but there
is still some pretty hot water off the Texas coast, even if the area hotter
than 30°C has shrunk a bit over the last couple of weeks (basically, the
coast from around the Coastal Bend all the way over to around Homestead is
within that isotherm, with a polyp of it sticking out southwestward toward
Veracruz).
I still prefer this year's "less favorable for hurricanes" conditions than
last year's "OHMYFREAKINGODRUN!!!" conditions. <G>
No arguments there...last summer, if the Gulf wasn't soup, it did until the
real thing was available.
We're not out of the woods but by this time last year, we were on our 12th
named storm, 5th hurricane, 3rd landfall of a hurricane, and Katrina was
on her way to making her second landfall.
It was like an LA freeway out there in the Gulf.
....or like the Southwest Freeway through the Canyon while it was being
rebuilt and expanded, these past three years.
'Course if everything shifts hard to the West, I'll stay put as Houston
would be much, much too fun to pass through.
But, anyway...
It's way too early to say anything. The thing could be gone by Monday.
That's what I'm hoping for. Rita was more than enough for this decade,
for us. (If it comes to that again, this time we're taking the FMs out
of town to central Texas, and trying to avoid metro-wide traffic jams
that got us 60 miles from home in only thirteen hours...)
That's worse than it was here. It took us about 10 hours to go 100 miles in
the Katrina evacuation.
That's because we had a couple of million more trying to get out, with
fewer clues as to how to get out...and the contraflow experiment. This
time, we'll stay away from the stampede through Magnolia and
Plantersville...
One thing Rita showed is Houston was in no way ready. And I haven't heard
anything about Texas getting its evacuation plans in order over the past
year.
Neither have I, aside from supposed added signs to be put into use when the
next contraflow fiasco is announced.
Perry's ***** should have been toasted over that cluster *****. Instead,
we've heard nothing but carping at Nagin, Blanco, et al over stupid things
like "those buses." I tangled with some idiots on a Houston area online
forum when they were actually crowing about the evacuation over there.
Remarks about how Louisiana could "learn something" from it. I had to ask
"learn to ***** up?"
I'm amazed the death toll on the I-45 section between Madisonville and Buffalo
wasn't in triple digits the night we used it (on the right side), thanks to
people driving at anywhere from 35 to 80 mph...on both sides. We tried to get
off at the US 79 exit in Buffalo, and it was closed just as we got to the gore
point of the off-ramp. Fortunately, DPS wasn't paying attention to the Texas
164 exit two miles further on, and that got us off I-45 and headed west
towards Mexia and Hillsboro. (My only regret is that we didn't get a picture
of Personville, whether its one person was there or not.)
This is a case of where being blindly partisan is going to kill people.
People need to pay attention to what works, not who's the Republican and
who's the Democrat. I was appalled.
The simple facts are that Louisiana moved 80 to 85% of the metro area out
of harm's way in two days. To match that, the Houston-Galveston metro
would have to move about 4.4 million people in two days. As it was, they
did about half that and in such a panicked rush, next time they're going
to discover why you have to be careful about evacuations. When people go
through hell only to have the hurricane turn and nothing happen, they
don't want to listen to you next time.
Oh, little publicised fact:
The mayor of Houston and others thought the phased evacuation approach we
used was a good idea. They were pushing to do Houston the same way. Guess
who vetoed the idea and dumped everybody on the freeways at the same time?
FEMA.
The Federal Excuse Manufacturing Authority, indeed. What does Chimp 43 do if
another evacuation is needed and FEMA screws it up like 2005?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
RIP Irene Aldridge Compton
December 2, 1909, Keokee, Va.
August 24, 2006, Benham, Ky.
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28 Aug 2006 04:25:39 PM |
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On 27 Aug 2006 00:50:31 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:32:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
[]
Oh, little publicised fact:
The mayor of Houston and others thought the phased evacuation approach we
used was a good idea. They were pushing to do Houston the same way. Guess
who vetoed the idea and dumped everybody on the freeways at the same time?
FEMA.
The Federal Excuse Manufacturing Authority, indeed. What does Chimp 43 do if
another evacuation is needed and FEMA screws it up like 2005?
Tell them they're doing 'a heck of a job' and give them a raise and
Medals of Freedom.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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28 Aug 2006 07:16:00 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 27 Aug 2006 00:50:31 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:32:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
[]
Oh, little publicised fact:
The mayor of Houston and others thought the phased evacuation approach we
used was a good idea. They were pushing to do Houston the same way. Guess
who vetoed the idea and dumped everybody on the freeways at the same time?
FEMA.
The Federal Excuse Manufacturing Authority, indeed. What does Chimp 43 do if
another evacuation is needed and FEMA screws it up like 2005?
Tell them they're doing 'a heck of a job' and give them a raise and
Medals of Freedom.
"Mike Brown's body is a-mouldering on the roof..."
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Aug 2006 02:21:05 PM |
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On 28 Aug 2006 19:16:00 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 27 Aug 2006 00:50:31 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:32:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
[]
Oh, little publicised fact:
The mayor of Houston and others thought the phased evacuation approach we
used was a good idea. They were pushing to do Houston the same way. Guess
who vetoed the idea and dumped everybody on the freeways at the same time?
FEMA.
The Federal Excuse Manufacturing Authority, indeed. What does Chimp 43 do if
another evacuation is needed and FEMA screws it up like 2005?
Tell them they're doing 'a heck of a job' and give them a raise and
Medals of Freedom.
"Mike Brown's body is a-mouldering on the roof..."
He was quite the poof.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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30 Aug 2006 11:38:31 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 28 Aug 2006 19:16:00 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 27 Aug 2006 00:50:31 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:32:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
[]
Oh, little publicised fact:
The mayor of Houston and others thought the phased evacuation approach we
used was a good idea. They were pushing to do Houston the same way. Guess
who vetoed the idea and dumped everybody on the freeways at the same time?
FEMA.
The Federal Excuse Manufacturing Authority, indeed. What does Chimp 43 do
if another evacuation is needed and FEMA screws it up like 2005?
Tell them they're doing 'a heck of a job' and give them a raise and
Medals of Freedom.
"Mike Brown's body is a-mouldering on the roof..."
He was quite the poof.
....and he and his cohort with our billions of dollars did goof.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
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| User: "stoney" |
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31 Aug 2006 05:52:06 PM |
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On 30 Aug 2006 23:38:31 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 28 Aug 2006 19:16:00 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 27 Aug 2006 00:50:31 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:32:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
[]
Oh, little publicised fact:
The mayor of Houston and others thought the phased evacuation approach we
used was a good idea. They were pushing to do Houston the same way. Guess
who vetoed the idea and dumped everybody on the freeways at the same time?
FEMA.
The Federal Excuse Manufacturing Authority, indeed. What does Chimp 43 do
if another evacuation is needed and FEMA screws it up like 2005?
Tell them they're doing 'a heck of a job' and give them a raise and
Medals of Freedom.
"Mike Brown's body is a-mouldering on the roof..."
He was quite the poof.
...and he and his cohort with our billions of dollars did goof.
And politicians did not hit the roof.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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31 Aug 2006 11:06:01 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 30 Aug 2006 23:38:31 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 28 Aug 2006 19:16:00 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney <stoney@the.net> writes:
On 27 Aug 2006 00:50:31 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:32:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
[]
Oh, little publicised fact:
The mayor of Houston and others thought the phased evacuation approach
we used was a good idea. They were pushing to do Houston the same
way. Guess who vetoed the idea and dumped everybody on the freeways at
the same time?
FEMA.
The Federal Excuse Manufacturing Authority, indeed. What does Chimp 43
do if another evacuation is needed and FEMA screws it up like 2005?
Tell them they're doing 'a heck of a job' and give them a raise and
Medals of Freedom.
"Mike Brown's body is a-mouldering on the roof..."
He was quite the poof.
...and he and his cohort with our billions of dollars did goof.
And politicians did not hit the roof.
while from their constituencies they became markedly aloof.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
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