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"Therion Ware" |
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21 May 2004 12:09:28 AM |
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OT: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
British spy chiefs secretly considered training pigeons to fly into
enemy targets carrying explosives or biological weapons, it has been
revealed.
British intelligence set up a "pigeon committee" at the end of World
War II to ensure expertise gained in the use of the birds to carry
messages was not lost.
Documents now released to the National Archives reveal that the War
Office intelligence section, MI14, warned: "Pigeon research will not
stand still; if we do not experiment, other powers will."
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
"A thousand pigeons each with a two ounce explosive capsule, landed at
intervals on a specific target, might be a seriously inconvenient
surprise," Mr Rayner wrote.
He believed his "revolutionary" ideas could change the way wars were
fought, and had the tentative backing of wartime MI6 chief Sir Stewart
Menzies.
However the internal security service MI5 branded Rayner a "menace in
pigeon affairs".
MI5's Lieutenant Colonel Tommy Robertson wrote: "I thought that some
time ago it had been made clear that Rayner should finish writing his
manual and then have nothing further to do with this committee
officially."
Rayner's plan for a 400-pigeon loft where tests would be carried out
was abandoned due to wrangling among the intelligence agencies over
funding.
Members of the public can view the 280 newly-released files at the
National Archives, Kew, west London.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/3732755.stm
Published: 2004/05/21 00:17:01 GMT
© BBC MMIV
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
21 May 2004 12:39:24 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com...
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
I believe we used or experimented with bats during WWII. They were to carry
incendiary devices.
The idea was they would be released by plane at night and roost under eaves
in the morning when the charges would go off.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
21 May 2004 01:12:54 AM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 05:39:24 GMT in alt.atheism, Mike Painter ("Mike
Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com...
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
I believe we used or experimented with bats during WWII. They were to carry
incendiary devices.
The idea was they would be released by plane at night and roost under eaves
in the morning when the charges would go off.
I guess we thought we had to close the "bat gap"!
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
21 May 2004 07:11:06 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message news:<gCgrc.37301$hH.748813@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com...
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
I believe we used or experimented with bats during WWII. They were to carry
incendiary devices.
The idea was they would be released by plane at night and roost under eaves
in the morning when the charges would go off.
Anyone ever plaid Worms: Armageddon?
~Iain
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
22 May 2004 08:44:49 AM |
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On 21 May 2004 05:11:06 -0700 in alt.atheism, Iain
(iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message news:<gCgrc.37301$hH.748813@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com...
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
I believe we used or experimented with bats during WWII. They were to carry
incendiary devices.
The idea was they would be released by plane at night and roost under eaves
in the morning when the charges would go off.
Anyone ever plaid Worms: Armageddon?
Nah.
Lemmings and the original Prince of Persia.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
12 Jun 2004 09:15:39 AM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<rg1sa09mcqtqr1t507j2um93c99pud0jgb@4ax.com>...
On 21 May 2004 05:11:06 -0700 in alt.atheism, Iain
(iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message news:<gCgrc.37301$hH.748813@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com...
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
I believe we used or experimented with bats during WWII. They were to carry
incendiary devices.
The idea was they would be released by plane at night and roost under eaves
in the morning when the charges would go off.
Anyone ever plaid Worms: Armageddon?
Nah.
Lemmings and the original Prince of Persia.
Well ***** you then.
~Iain
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
12 Jun 2004 10:35:31 AM |
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On 12 Jun 2004 07:15:39 -0700 in alt.atheism, Iain
(iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<rg1sa09mcqtqr1t507j2um93c99pud0jgb@4ax.com>...
On 21 May 2004 05:11:06 -0700 in alt.atheism, Iain
(iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message news:<gCgrc.37301$hH.748813@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com...
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
I believe we used or experimented with bats during WWII. They were to carry
incendiary devices.
The idea was they would be released by plane at night and roost under eaves
in the morning when the charges would go off.
Anyone ever plaid Worms: Armageddon?
Nah.
Lemmings and the original Prince of Persia.
Well ***** you then.
You know, I've seen more subtle come-ons in my time, but I'm not
fussy.
Your place or mine?
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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| Title: Re: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
12 Jun 2004 11:33:18 AM |
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"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On 21 May 2004 05:11:06 -0700 in alt.atheism, Iain
(iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com...
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying
explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the
explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
I believe we used or experimented with bats during WWII. They were to
carry
incendiary devices.
The idea was they would be released by plane at night and roost under
eaves
in the morning when the charges would go off.
Anyone ever plaid Worms: Armageddon?
Nah.
Lemmings and the original Prince of Persia.
Lemmings, original P of P.
Gosh now that brings back memories of the 1980's
I completed P of P (usuing cheats) ;/)
Well ***** you then.
~Iain
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
21 May 2004 01:29:35 AM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 05:39:24 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com...
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
I believe we used or experimented with bats during WWII. They were to carry
incendiary devices.
The idea was they would be released by plane at night and roost under eaves
in the morning when the charges would go off.
The Soviet Union tried a similar trick with dogs in WWII; they were
trained to associate the underside of tanks with food, and had
explosives strapped on; unfortunately, as a result of their training,
they ran straight for the Soviet tanks the first time they were
deployed on the battlefield, resulting in the quick abandonment of the
program.
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| User: "pan" |
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| Title: Re: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
21 May 2004 02:45:11 AM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 06:29:35 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2004 05:39:24 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com...
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
Meanwhile, pigeon enthusiast Wing Commander WDL Rayner suggested a
"bacteriological warfare agent" could be combined with the explosive.
'Revolutionary' tactics
I believe we used or experimented with bats during WWII. They were to carry
incendiary devices.
The idea was they would be released by plane at night and roost under eaves
in the morning when the charges would go off.
The Soviet Union tried a similar trick with dogs in WWII; they were
trained to associate the underside of tanks with food, and had
explosives strapped on; unfortunately, as a result of their training,
they ran straight for the Soviet tanks the first time they were
deployed on the battlefield, resulting in the quick abandonment of the
program.
The Nazis experimented with parachuting cats behind enemy lines
infested with bubonic plague carrying ticks.
But this program was dropped when it was discovered that many of the
cats had an uncanny ability to find their way back into the German
barracks, where they'd be discovered laying in the clean laundry.
=^)
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| User: "johac" |
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23 May 2004 01:07:16 AM |
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In article <rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
British spy chiefs secretly considered training pigeons to fly into
enemy targets carrying explosives or biological weapons, it has been
revealed.
During the second world war, the American psychologist B. F. Skinner
worked to develop a pigeon guided missile. The missile or bomb was to be
guided by pigeons pecking at a target on a screen in the nose cone.
http://historywired.si.edu/object.cfm?ID=353
Kamikaze pigeons.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 May 2004 12:04:05 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 23:07:16 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-839478.23071522052004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
British spy chiefs secretly considered training pigeons to fly into
enemy targets carrying explosives or biological weapons, it has been
revealed.
During the second world war, the American psychologist B. F. Skinner
worked to develop a pigeon guided missile. The missile or bomb was to be
guided by pigeons pecking at a target on a screen in the nose cone.
http://historywired.si.edu/object.cfm?ID=353
Kamikaze pigeons.
who work for popcorn.....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "johac" |
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24 May 2004 11:59:34 PM |
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In article <ona4b0lv8gn9pggdbj0kfi3h7o3unj74an@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 23:07:16 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-839478.23071522052004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
British spy chiefs secretly considered training pigeons to fly into
enemy targets carrying explosives or biological weapons, it has been
revealed.
During the second world war, the American psychologist B. F. Skinner
worked to develop a pigeon guided missile. The missile or bomb was to be
guided by pigeons pecking at a target on a screen in the nose cone.
http://historywired.si.edu/object.cfm?ID=353
Kamikaze pigeons.
who work for popcorn.....
Don't tell Bush. He'll start drafting pigeons for his ABM system.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 May 2004 09:34:55 PM |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:59:34 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-953975.21593324052004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <ona4b0lv8gn9pggdbj0kfi3h7o3unj74an@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 23:07:16 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-839478.23071522052004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <rl3ra0ht5u37ja6q0gpoaao4ica497atqe@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
British spy chiefs secretly considered training pigeons to fly into
enemy targets carrying explosives or biological weapons, it has been
revealed.
During the second world war, the American psychologist B. F. Skinner
worked to develop a pigeon guided missile. The missile or bomb was to be
guided by pigeons pecking at a target on a screen in the nose cone.
http://historywired.si.edu/object.cfm?ID=353
Kamikaze pigeons.
who work for popcorn.....
Don't tell Bush. He'll start drafting pigeons for his ABM system.
/tuneless whistling.....
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/10/con03283.html
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: OT: UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks! "Coo". |
21 May 2004 03:55:21 AM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
UK pondered suicide pigeon attacks
British spy chiefs secretly considered training pigeons to fly into
enemy targets carrying explosives or biological weapons, it has been
revealed.
British intelligence set up a "pigeon committee" at the end of World
War II to ensure expertise gained in the use of the birds to carry
messages was not lost.
Documents now released to the National Archives reveal that the War
Office intelligence section, MI14, warned: "Pigeon research will not
stand still; if we do not experiment, other powers will."
Among MI14's proposals was the training of pigeons carrying explosives
to fly into enemy searchlights.
At the same time as this, the US was looking into the same thing
using bats as carriers. The idea itself is old news; over a thousand
years ago armies captured birds which nested in a town they wanted to
take. When they had enough, they'd tie smouldering twigs to them and
release them, hoping they'd fly in fear to their nests and burn down
the buildings. I've read about this being done several times, but the
complete absence of any report bout what happened next leads me to
suspect it was not especially successful.
--
L. Raymond
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