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"Therion Ware" |
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22 Aug 2007 07:24:15 PM |
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OT: USA Health Care. |
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: USA Health Care. |
23 Aug 2007 03:12:47 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:i8uoc3lagfdtjp0cfcdp2opqivbrt17uve@4ax.com...
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
My wife had cancer. It just so happened that at that time, we qualified for
a state program that paiid for her expensive chemotherapy and surgery which
saved her life. About when she recovered, our inconme went up, and we would
no longer be eligible. With no insurance, we had to pay for the follow-up
exams like Cat-scans and hosp[ital visits out of our own pocket. If uor
income had been higher, we would have had to p[ay for everything ourselves
and probably would have lost our home, which was the base for outr
self-employment, and then our income would have gone even lower, making her
eligible for Medicaid. I had a dental infection that theoretically could
have killed me, so I went to the ER just to get a scrip for cheap
antibiotics. they took my temperature and blood pressure and wrote me a
prescription for tetracycline. I then got a bill from the hospital for $800
which I paid.
I need dental work, but can't afford it. Instaed I pay enough income tax to
the blood-sucking government every year that would have paid for my dental
work. The IRS takes my money that I need for doctors. I haven't been to a
doctor's office in at least 10 years, and I take loads of vitamins, since if
I got sick, I would lose everything I have.
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| User: "Kate" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
22 Aug 2007 08:22:28 PM |
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On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably the
hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far larger than
it would be if you were on an insurance plan because the hospital can
charge whatever it feels it can get away with. Insurance companies
and the government have already negotiated the price down. You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's other
patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely it
will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother will
not get much in the way of after care either, unless another emergency
occurs.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to scrap
up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your housing/
food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency care repeatedly.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
22 Aug 2007 09:00:57 PM |
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Kate <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in
news:1187814148.534577.146450@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
That would be MediCAID. MediCARE is for senior citizens.
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably the
hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far larger than
it would be if you were on an insurance plan because the hospital can
charge whatever it feels it can get away with. Insurance companies
and the government have already negotiated the price down.
That's why the hospitals put absurd prices down in the first place.
You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's other
patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely it
will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother will
not get much in the way of after care either, unless another emergency
occurs.
There are charities that specialize in prenatal and neonatal care. They
do outreach and are available in most cities of any size.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to scrap
up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your housing/
food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency care
repeatedly.
There are also programs that will help low-income patients pay for
insulin and other medication.
Information on these and other assistance programs is usually available
at the city or county welfare and job assistance office. (also known as
"Job and Family Services".)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
22 Aug 2007 09:11:46 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 21:00:57 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Kate <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in
news:1187814148.534577.146450@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
That would be MediCAID. MediCARE is for senior citizens.
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably the
hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far larger than
it would be if you were on an insurance plan because the hospital can
charge whatever it feels it can get away with. Insurance companies
and the government have already negotiated the price down.
That's why the hospitals put absurd prices down in the first place.
You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's other
patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely it
will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother will
not get much in the way of after care either, unless another emergency
occurs.
There are charities that specialize in prenatal and neonatal care. They
do outreach and are available in most cities of any size.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to scrap
up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your housing/
food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency care
repeatedly.
There are also programs that will help low-income patients pay for
insulin and other medication.
Information on these and other assistance programs is usually available
at the city or county welfare and job assistance office. (also known as
"Job and Family Services".)
Thanks Fred, for your view. As I;ve said earlier I really have no idea
how USA healthcare works, and your input is useful.
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| User: "Kate" |
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22 Aug 2007 09:46:08 PM |
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On Aug 22, 2:00 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Kate <K...@twoangryliberals.com> wrote innews:1187814148.534577.146450@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
That would be MediCAID. MediCARE is for senior citizens.
OK, medicaid. Or more precisely MediCal in california, and a
different name in every other state.
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably the
hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far larger than
it would be if you were on an insurance plan because the hospital can
charge whatever it feels it can get away with. Insurance companies
and the government have already negotiated the price down.
That's why the hospitals put absurd prices down in the first place.
And yet that's still what you pay for if you aren't insurance or
government.
You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's other
patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely it
will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother will
not get much in the way of after care either, unless another emergency
occurs.
There are charities that specialize in prenatal and neonatal care. They
do outreach and are available in most cities of any size.
yes, but they are very crowded, available only in some areas of the
city and not at all in any smaller cities/towns/rural areas.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to scrap
up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your housing/
food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency care
repeatedly.
There are also programs that will help low-income patients pay for
insulin and other medication.
Hardly comprehensive.
Information on these and other assistance programs is usually available
at the city or county welfare and job assistance office. (also known as
"Job and Family Services".)
If you have a ride, or a computer, maybe you can find out more. Good
Luck
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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22 Aug 2007 11:11:13 PM |
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Kate <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in
news:1187819168.844867.158350@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Aug 22, 2:00 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Kate <K...@twoangryliberals.com> wrote
innews:1187814148.534577.146450@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious
to know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay
for my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any
prospect of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and
have no prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
That would be MediCAID. MediCARE is for senior citizens.
OK, medicaid. Or more precisely MediCal in california, and a
different name in every other state.
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably
the hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far
larger than it would be if you were on an insurance plan because
the hospital can charge whatever it feels it can get away with.
Insurance companies and the government have already negotiated the
price down.
That's why the hospitals put absurd prices down in the first place.
And yet that's still what you pay for if you aren't insurance or
government.
Many hospitals have charity outreach programs if you can't pay.
You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's
other patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely
it will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother
will not get much in the way of after care either, unless another
emergency occurs.
There are charities that specialize in prenatal and neonatal care.
They do outreach and are available in most cities of any size.
yes, but they are very crowded, available only in some areas of the
city and not at all in any smaller cities/towns/rural areas.
Nobody said it had to be comfortable.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to
scrap up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your
housing/ food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency
care repeatedly.
There are also programs that will help low-income patients pay for
insulin and other medication.
Hardly comprehensive.
But available nonetheless.
Information on these and other assistance programs is usually
available at the city or county welfare and job assistance office.
(also known as "Job and Family Services".)
If you have a ride, or a computer, maybe you can find out more. Good
Luck
And if you aren't motivated enough to go there and stand in line for the
handouts (or have someone go there for you), my heart bleeds for you.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Kate" |
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22 Aug 2007 11:27:18 PM |
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On Aug 22, 4:11 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Kate <K...@twoangryliberals.com> wrote innews:1187819168.844867.158350@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Aug 22, 2:00 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Kate <K...@twoangryliberals.com> wrote
innews:1187814148.534577.146450@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com>
wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious
to know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay
for my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any
prospect of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and
have no prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
That would be MediCAID. MediCARE is for senior citizens.
OK, medicaid. Or more precisely MediCal in california, and a
different name in every other state.
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably
the hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far
larger than it would be if you were on an insurance plan because
the hospital can charge whatever it feels it can get away with.
Insurance companies and the government have already negotiated the
price down.
That's why the hospitals put absurd prices down in the first place.
And yet that's still what you pay for if you aren't insurance or
government.
Many hospitals have charity outreach programs if you can't pay.
You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's
other patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely
it will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother
will not get much in the way of after care either, unless another
emergency occurs.
There are charities that specialize in prenatal and neonatal care.
They do outreach and are available in most cities of any size.
yes, but they are very crowded, available only in some areas of the
city and not at all in any smaller cities/towns/rural areas.
Nobody said it had to be comfortable.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to
scrap up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your
housing/ food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency
care repeatedly.
There are also programs that will help low-income patients pay for
insulin and other medication.
Hardly comprehensive.
But available nonetheless.
Information on these and other assistance programs is usually
available at the city or county welfare and job assistance office.
(also known as "Job and Family Services".)
If you have a ride, or a computer, maybe you can find out more. Good
Luck
And if you aren't motivated enough to go there and stand in line for the
handouts (or have someone go there for you), my heart bleeds for you.
I think most people in that situation are working their asses off
already as well as their friends and relatives, Fred.
But thanks for the bad assumption.
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| User: "Xtrchessreal" |
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22 Aug 2007 11:52:06 PM |
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What if you are clinically depressed and have lost your will to do
anything because everything is overwhelming to you in that state of
mind. You finally make your way to a doctor for help but your
prescriptions are rejected from the insurance because they are
nonformulary or scheduled. You barely made it to the doctor and only
had just enough money for the doctors visit and a little for
prescriptions. Now you are faced with spending a couple more hundred
dollars than you expected to purchase them outright without insurance,
lose your ability to pay the rent, or you slide back into darkness and
depression.
A winner or hard worker doesn't like this story because they can't
understand the paradigm of the depressed soul. Most people do not
want to hear that story.
X
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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23 Aug 2007 01:28:18 PM |
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"Xtrchessreal" <XtrChessreal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187826726.200509.21230@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
What if you are clinically depressed and have lost your will to do
anything because everything is overwhelming to you in that state of
mind. You finally make your way to a doctor for help but your
prescriptions are rejected from the insurance because they are
nonformulary or scheduled. You barely made it to the doctor and only
had just enough money for the doctors visit and a little for
prescriptions. Now you are faced with spending a couple more hundred
dollars than you expected to purchase them outright without insurance,
lose your ability to pay the rent, or you slide back into darkness and
depression.
A winner or hard worker doesn't like this story because they can't
understand the paradigm of the depressed soul. Most people do not
want to hear that story.
I've lived it - My late father suffered from depression for quite a few
years. Was definitely no picnic. His last suicide attempt was successful.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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23 Aug 2007 12:44:22 PM |
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Xtrchessreal <XtrChessreal@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1187826726.200509.21230@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
What if you are clinically depressed and have lost your will to do
anything because everything is overwhelming to you in that state of
mind. You finally make your way to a doctor for help but your
prescriptions are rejected from the insurance because they are
nonformulary or scheduled. You barely made it to the doctor and only
had just enough money for the doctors visit and a little for
prescriptions. Now you are faced with spending a couple more hundred
dollars than you expected to purchase them outright without insurance,
lose your ability to pay the rent, or you slide back into darkness and
depression.
A winner or hard worker doesn't like this story because they can't
understand the paradigm of the depressed soul. Most people do not
want to hear that story.
What if you made up realistic scenarios based on what actually happens
instead of pessimistic liberal fantasies?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Kate" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
23 Aug 2007 06:36:22 PM |
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On Aug 23, 5:44 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Xtrchessreal <XtrChessr...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1187826726.200509.21230@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
What if you are clinically depressed and have lost your will to do
anything because everything is overwhelming to you in that state of
mind. You finally make your way to a doctor for help but your
prescriptions are rejected from the insurance because they are
nonformulary or scheduled. You barely made it to the doctor and only
had just enough money for the doctors visit and a little for
prescriptions. Now you are faced with spending a couple more hundred
dollars than you expected to purchase them outright without insurance,
lose your ability to pay the rent, or you slide back into darkness and
depression.
A winner or hard worker doesn't like this story because they can't
understand the paradigm of the depressed soul. Most people do not
want to hear that story.
What if you made up realistic scenarios based on what actually happens
instead of pessimistic liberal fantasies?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it." -
George Orwell
How about if you grew up and didn't settle for panaceas that help only
a few people?
Fred, as far as your concerned, if there is a lottery available,
people shouldn't worry about retirement. After all, they can buy
tickets, can't they? And they shouldn't complain about having only
that available, because your heart doesn't bleed for those people who
have to stand in line at the seven-eleven for their tickets.
LOL.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
23 Aug 2007 07:18:29 PM |
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Kate <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in
news:1187894182.988952.92270@q4g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
On Aug 23, 5:44 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Xtrchessreal <XtrChessr...@gmail.com> wrote
innews:1187826726.200509.21230@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
What if you are clinically depressed and have lost your will to do
anything because everything is overwhelming to you in that state of
mind. You finally make your way to a doctor for help but your
prescriptions are rejected from the insurance because they are
nonformulary or scheduled. You barely made it to the doctor and
only had just enough money for the doctors visit and a little for
prescriptions. Now you are faced with spending a couple more
hundred dollars than you expected to purchase them outright without
insurance, lose your ability to pay the rent, or you slide back
into darkness and depression.
A winner or hard worker doesn't like this story because they can't
understand the paradigm of the depressed soul. Most people do not
want to hear that story.
What if you made up realistic scenarios based on what actually
happens instead of pessimistic liberal fantasies?
How about if you grew up and didn't settle for panaceas that help only
a few people?
How about if you grew up and didn't try to vote all the world's problems
out of existence?
Fred, as far as your concerned, if there is a lottery available,
people shouldn't worry about retirement. After all, they can buy
tickets, can't they? And they shouldn't complain about having only
that available, because your heart doesn't bleed for those people who
have to stand in line at the seven-eleven for their tickets.
Damn, Kate, when you decide to talk about something that I actually
said, let me know, OK?
LOL.
Ah, there's that famous liberal sense of humor again.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
22 Aug 2007 08:55:03 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:22:28 -0700, Kate <Kate@twoangryliberals.com>
wrote:
On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably the
hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far larger than
it would be if you were on an insurance plan because the hospital can
charge whatever it feels it can get away with. Insurance companies
and the government have already negotiated the price down. You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's other
patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely it
will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother will
not get much in the way of after care either, unless another emergency
occurs.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to scrap
up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your housing/
food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency care repeatedly.
Thanks for that. A more comprehensive reply will come later...!
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
22 Aug 2007 08:42:10 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:22:28 -0700, in alt.atheism
Kate <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in
<1187814148.534577.146450@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
Medicaid is for the poor. Medicare for those 65 and older.
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably the
hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far larger than
it would be if you were on an insurance plan because the hospital can
charge whatever it feels it can get away with. Insurance companies
and the government have already negotiated the price down. You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's other
patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely it
will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother will
not get much in the way of after care either, unless another emergency
occurs.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to scrap
up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your housing/
food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency care repeatedly.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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22 Aug 2007 08:53:18 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:42:10 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:22:28 -0700, in alt.atheism
Kate <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in
<1187814148.534577.146450@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
Medicaid is for the poor. Medicare for those 65 and older.
And if I'm of working age, have type 1 diabetes, but can't afford the
drugs necessary to maintain my life, what happens?
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably the
hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far larger than
it would be if you were on an insurance plan because the hospital can
charge whatever it feels it can get away with. Insurance companies
and the government have already negotiated the price down. You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's other
patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely it
will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother will
not get much in the way of after care either, unless another emergency
occurs.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to scrap
up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your housing/
food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency care repeatedly.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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22 Aug 2007 09:04:09 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:53:18 +0100, in alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
<178pc3lrvuap2pkv8u4qptd8467gionp2f@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:42:10 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:22:28 -0700, in alt.atheism
Kate <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in
<1187814148.534577.146450@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
On Aug 22, 12:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
If you make little enough, you qualify for medicare. That will pay
for the insulin and your wife's/child's care.
Medicaid is for the poor. Medicare for those 65 and older.
And if I'm of working age, have type 1 diabetes, but can't afford the
drugs necessary to maintain my life, what happens?
We'll wait until you are so sick that you cannot work and end up on
Social Security. Then you qualify for government healthcare coverage.
If you make too much, you go into great debt. Usually they make a
deal where you pay off the debt with very small payments for a long
long time. It completely screws your credit rating and probably the
hospital won't get completely paid. The bill will be far larger than
it would be if you were on an insurance plan because the hospital can
charge whatever it feels it can get away with. Insurance companies
and the government have already negotiated the price down. You don't
get to do that. The hospital will take the hit and charge it's other
patients more.
your wife will not get any prenatal care on this basis, so likely it
will be a big emergency when it happens. The child and mother will
not get much in the way of after care either, unless another emergency
occurs.
Your insulin will have to be paid by whatever you can manage to scrap
up. If you don't put your medication before paying for your housing/
food/energy bills, you will likely end up in emergency care repeatedly.
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| User: "kelphis" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
22 Aug 2007 07:54:33 PM |
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On Aug 22, 2:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
your insurance (if you have any) would pay for a majority of what your
prescriptions cost. you would still have to pay the remainder. I
dont know how much insulin costs so I cant give you a number. If you
cant pay then I believe you are screwed. There may be some goverment
programs available like medicare that could probably help but it would
not be a pleasant experience.
the same applies to the premature birth issue. The medical plan I
have would cover a spouse but it only covers the first 80% of the
costs. How much do you ask? well let me give you some prespective.
I personally had to go get a colonoscopy about a year ago. The reason
was because my younger brother was diagnosed with colon pollips. they
wanted to know if anyone else in the family was affected so they told
us all to go get a colonoscopy. My results were negative.
I recieved several bills after the procedure that totalled about
$1000. a colonoscopy is a 45 minute procedure. My insurance company
did cover what they said they would. A premature birth requires
constant supervision and checkups by nurses and doctors over serval
weeks or months. the final cost to the patient must be in the 10's of
thousands of dollars.
So what happens if you cant afford it. Not sure. But I do know that
the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
22 Aug 2007 08:25:26 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:54:33 -0700, kelphis <amchater@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Aug 22, 2:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
your insurance (if you have any) would pay for a majority of what your
prescriptions cost. you would still have to pay the remainder. I
dont know how much insulin costs so I cant give you a number. If you
cant pay then I believe you are screwed. There may be some goverment
programs available like medicare that could probably help but it would
not be a pleasant experience.
the same applies to the premature birth issue. The medical plan I
have would cover a spouse but it only covers the first 80% of the
costs. How much do you ask? well let me give you some prespective.
I personally had to go get a colonoscopy about a year ago. The reason
was because my younger brother was diagnosed with colon pollips. they
wanted to know if anyone else in the family was affected so they told
us all to go get a colonoscopy. My results were negative.
I recieved several bills after the procedure that totalled about
$1000. a colonoscopy is a 45 minute procedure. My insurance company
did cover what they said they would. A premature birth requires
constant supervision and checkups by nurses and doctors over serval
weeks or months. the final cost to the patient must be in the 10's of
thousands of dollars.
So what happens if you cant afford it. Not sure. But I do know that
the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills.
Thanks. I'm trying to form an opinion on the USA situation (I'm a UK
NHS believer) on medical care, but don't know enough about it as yet,
but this helped. Again thanks.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
22 Aug 2007 08:13:59 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:54:33 -0700, kelphis <amchater@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Aug 22, 2:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
There's been a fair amount of chat in AA about this. I'm curious to
know what would happen in the USA if:
I have a condition like type 1 diabetes. What would I have to pay for
my medication? What happens if I can't pay for my medication?
My wife gives birth to a seriously premature child that requires
serious ICU care for a number of months if it is to have any prospect
of survival. What happens if I can't afford the care, and have no
prospect of ever being able to do so?
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
your insurance (if you have any) would pay for a majority of what your
prescriptions cost. you would still have to pay the remainder. I
dont know how much insulin costs so I cant give you a number. If you
cant pay then I believe you are screwed. There may be some goverment
programs available like medicare that could probably help but it would
not be a pleasant experience.
Medicare kicks in at age 65. But you still have to pay a sizeable
proportion of the bill yourself or pay for top-up insurance.
I lost my job due to downsizing earlier this year and am coming up to
60. It costs me $550 per month for continuing coverage on my former
employer's medical insurance. A colleague who lost his job at the same
time, who is younger than me but married with teenage kids has to pay
$1600.
I need it because I was hospitalised last year for almost two weeks
due to an infection that led to a collapsed lung so I couldn't
breathe. There is no way I am going without it.
the same applies to the premature birth issue. The medical plan I
have would cover a spouse but it only covers the first 80% of the
costs. How much do you ask? well let me give you some prespective.
I personally had to go get a colonoscopy about a year ago. The reason
was because my younger brother was diagnosed with colon pollips. they
wanted to know if anyone else in the family was affected so they told
us all to go get a colonoscopy. My results were negative.
I recieved several bills after the procedure that totalled about
$1000. a colonoscopy is a 45 minute procedure. My insurance company
did cover what they said they would. A premature birth requires
constant supervision and checkups by nurses and doctors over serval
weeks or months. the final cost to the patient must be in the 10's of
thousands of dollars.
So what happens if you cant afford it. Not sure. But I do know that
the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
22 Aug 2007 09:02:13 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:13:59 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
Thanks Chris. As I said in an earlier reply, I'm trying to form an
opinion here about something I know not much about.
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| User: "Pt. Lurk Pt." |
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23 Aug 2007 02:46:55 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:il8pc3lom73tdal2a6glgca5h6bv3cvpn0@4ax.com...
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:13:59 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
Thanks Chris. As I said in an earlier reply, I'm trying to form an
opinion here about something I know not much about.
Therion, old bean: do you know if the Michael Moore film has reached the UK
yet...?
L.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
23 Aug 2007 01:23:19 AM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:i8uoc3lagfdtjp0cfcdp2opqivbrt17uve@4ax.com:
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
Video Catches Hospital 'Dumping' Incident
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5298034
Hospitals Accused of Dumping Patients on Skid Row
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5588413
Private hospitals accused of patient dumping
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-
gov/2005/jan/12/518114948.html
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy
goal.
-- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
23 Aug 2007 01:45:27 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 23 Aug 2007 01:23:19 GMT, Enkidu
<fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> let us all know that:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:i8uoc3lagfdtjp0cfcdp2opqivbrt17uve@4ax.com:
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
Video Catches Hospital 'Dumping' Incident
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5298034
Hospitals Accused of Dumping Patients on Skid Row
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5588413
The USSR did the same thing with patients who were about to
die; the doctors would just wheel them out of the hospital and let
them die in the streets.
Just thought you should know that.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
23 Aug 2007 03:57:30 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:45:27 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 23 Aug 2007 01:23:19 GMT, Enkidu
<fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> let us all know that:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:i8uoc3lagfdtjp0cfcdp2opqivbrt17uve@4ax.com:
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
Video Catches Hospital 'Dumping' Incident
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5298034
Hospitals Accused of Dumping Patients on Skid Row
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5588413
The USSR did the same thing with patients who were about to
die; the doctors would just wheel them out of the hospital and let
them die in the streets.
Just thought you should know that.
I'd be more interested to know what you think of the practices of the
then then Soviet Union and the United States in this respect, and if
you think that if the then USSR did that, this in some way justify
what the links above imply are currrent (if not common) USA practices?
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: OT: USA Health Care. |
23 Aug 2007 02:32:49 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:45:27 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 23 Aug 2007 01:23:19 GMT, Enkidu
<fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> let us all know that:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:i8uoc3lagfdtjp0cfcdp2opqivbrt17uve@4ax.com:
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
Video Catches Hospital 'Dumping' Incident
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5298034
Hospitals Accused of Dumping Patients on Skid Row
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5588413
The USSR did the same thing with patients who were about to
die; the doctors would just wheel them out of the hospital and let
them die in the streets.
Just thought you should know that.
So your US libertarian-capitalist paradise is no different than USSR.
Gotcha.
It's a good thing that the rest of us aren't buying into this
ridiculous false dilemma, and are looking to healthcare systems that
doesn't do that- aka the rest of the world.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Yangie-poos need to take off the blinders. |
23 Aug 2007 03:03:53 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:eg6rc3hr6lordo6cfd0ankf65uqs7btbgj@4ax.com:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:45:27 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On 23 Aug 2007 01:23:19 GMT, Enkidu
<fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> let us all know that:
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:i8uoc3lagfdtjp0cfcdp2opqivbrt17uve@4ax.com:
Your thoughts, and examples, welcome.
Video Catches Hospital 'Dumping' Incident
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5298034
Hospitals Accused of Dumping Patients on Skid Row
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5588413
The USSR did the same thing with patients who were about to
die; the doctors would just wheel them out of the hospital and let
them die in the streets.
Just thought you should know that.
So your US libertarian-capitalist paradise is no different than USSR.
Gotcha.
It's a good thing that the rest of us aren't buying into this
ridiculous false dilemma, and are looking to healthcare systems that
doesn't do that- aka the rest of the world.
Yangie-poos keep mistaking crimes for policies. It's an easy mistake for
Dhimmicrats to make, since their policies are crimes.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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