Religions > Atheism > OT: Virgina girls who can afford underwear can now lose it.
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29 Jun 2005 11:05:08 PM |
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OT: Virgina girls who can afford underwear can now lose it. |
Virginia legislature just passed alaw against photographing upskirts and
downblouses in public. Now in Virginia the females of the species can relax
since their candidly potographed butts and breasts won't legally appear on
the internet, in case someone might recognize their freckle patterns and
know who they are.
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| User: "Grogs" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Virgina girls who can afford underwear can now lose it. |
29 Jun 2005 11:34:54 PM |
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:UbKwe.11090$jX6.10482@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Virginia legislature just passed alaw against photographing upskirts
and downblouses in public. Now in Virginia the females of the species
can relax since their candidly potographed butts and breasts won't
legally appear on the internet, in case someone might recognize their
freckle patterns and know who they are.
LOL. I seem to remember they nailed a guy in the MacArthur Mall (Norfolk,
VA) for taking upskirt pictures last year. Does this new law mean that
what he was doing before was legal (and he was wrongfully charged with
'illegal videotaping?') Here's a link on the story:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=71383&ran=135086
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Virgina girls who can afford underwear can now lose it. |
29 Jun 2005 11:55:01 PM |
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Grogs wrote:
"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:UbKwe.11090$jX6.10482@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Virginia legislature just passed alaw against photographing upskirts
and downblouses in public. Now in Virginia the females of the species
can relax since their candidly potographed butts and breasts won't
legally appear on the internet, in case someone might recognize their
freckle patterns and know who they are.
LOL. I seem to remember they nailed a guy in the MacArthur Mall (Norfolk,
VA) for taking upskirt pictures last year. Does this new law mean that
what he was doing before was legal (and he was wrongfully charged with
'illegal videotaping?') Here's a link on the story:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=71383&ran=135086
I think it's just one of those shady areas. I read a story awhile back
(don't have the link anymore, unfortunately) that mentioned how Japan (I
believe) started requiring cell phone manufacturers to program very
audible clicking noises to trigger in all mobiles with cameras whenever
a picture was taken.
Goes to show that some people are just *that* messed up, I suppose.
--
James B
aa #944
"Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Virgina girls who can afford underwear can now lose it. |
30 Jun 2005 12:12:13 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:55:01 -0500, James <spamblock@com.com> wrote:
Grogs wrote:
"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:UbKwe.11090$jX6.10482@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Virginia legislature just passed alaw against photographing upskirts
and downblouses in public. Now in Virginia the females of the species
can relax since their candidly potographed butts and breasts won't
legally appear on the internet, in case someone might recognize their
freckle patterns and know who they are.
LOL. I seem to remember they nailed a guy in the MacArthur Mall (Norfolk,
VA) for taking upskirt pictures last year. Does this new law mean that
what he was doing before was legal (and he was wrongfully charged with
'illegal videotaping?') Here's a link on the story:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=71383&ran=135086
I think it's just one of those shady areas. I read a story awhile back
(don't have the link anymore, unfortunately) that mentioned how Japan (I
believe) started requiring cell phone manufacturers to program very
audible clicking noises to trigger in all mobiles with cameras whenever
a picture was taken.
Goes to show that some people are just *that* messed up, I suppose.
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs without the
subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of privacy. In that
case, it's always been illegal.
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| User: "Grogs" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Virgina girls who can afford underwear can now lose it. |
30 Jun 2005 01:03:59 AM |
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John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:hlv6c1dh33fpqrdgu5hpmlje467lv54q1m@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:55:01 -0500, James <spamblock@com.com> wrote:
Grogs wrote:
"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:UbKwe.11090$jX6.10482@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Virginia legislature just passed alaw against photographing upskirts
and downblouses in public. Now in Virginia the females of the
species can relax since their candidly potographed butts and breasts
won't legally appear on the internet, in case someone might
recognize their freckle patterns and know who they are.
LOL. I seem to remember they nailed a guy in the MacArthur Mall
(Norfolk, VA) for taking upskirt pictures last year. Does this new
law mean that what he was doing before was legal (and he was
wrongfully charged with 'illegal videotaping?') Here's a link on
the story:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=71383&ran=135086
I think it's just one of those shady areas. I read a story awhile
back (don't have the link anymore, unfortunately) that mentioned how
Japan (I believe) started requiring cell phone manufacturers to
program very audible clicking noises to trigger in all mobiles with
cameras whenever a picture was taken.
Goes to show that some people are just *that* messed up, I suppose.
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs without
the subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of
privacy. In that case, it's always been illegal.
Apparently not. I reread the link I posted. It seems that they
(Virginia) had caught a guy a few years ago filming up girls' skirts at
an outdoor festival and the state appeals court had ruled he hadn't
violated the 'illegal videotaping' law because it specifically prohibited
several things, but not this type of activity. The new law seems to be
an attempt to close the holes in the law and make it prosecutable now.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Virgina girls who can afford underwear can now lose it. |
30 Jun 2005 02:52:00 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:03:59 -0000, Grogs <grogs@nomail.com> wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:hlv6c1dh33fpqrdgu5hpmlje467lv54q1m@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:55:01 -0500, James <spamblock@com.com> wrote:
Grogs wrote:
"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:UbKwe.11090$jX6.10482@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Virginia legislature just passed alaw against photographing upskirts
and downblouses in public. Now in Virginia the females of the
species can relax since their candidly potographed butts and breasts
won't legally appear on the internet, in case someone might
recognize their freckle patterns and know who they are.
LOL. I seem to remember they nailed a guy in the MacArthur Mall
(Norfolk, VA) for taking upskirt pictures last year. Does this new
law mean that what he was doing before was legal (and he was
wrongfully charged with 'illegal videotaping?') Here's a link on
the story:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=71383&ran=135086
I think it's just one of those shady areas. I read a story awhile
back (don't have the link anymore, unfortunately) that mentioned how
Japan (I believe) started requiring cell phone manufacturers to
program very audible clicking noises to trigger in all mobiles with
cameras whenever a picture was taken.
Goes to show that some people are just *that* messed up, I suppose.
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs without
the subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of
privacy. In that case, it's always been illegal.
Apparently not. I reread the link I posted. It seems that they
(Virginia) had caught a guy a few years ago filming up girls' skirts at
an outdoor festival and the state appeals court had ruled he hadn't
violated the 'illegal videotaping' law because it specifically prohibited
several things, but not this type of activity. The new law seems to be
an attempt to close the holes in the law and make it prosecutable now.
It may depend on intent, that is whether the photographer is taking the photos
for his/her own private use or intends to distribute them, and to a great extent
on the presiding judge's interpretation of the law. Private use may be
technically legal, even if unethical, whereas public distribution may not be. I
was taught in photography school that, when in doubt of the legality, don't
shoot.
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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30 Jun 2005 03:15:34 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs ...
I fail to understand what's "sexually explicit" about a photo of a body
part not engaged in sexual activity.
... without the
subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of privacy. In that
case, it's always been illegal.
No, only if there's a reasonable presumption of privacy. That
presumption does not apply in a public place.
You can be legally photographed in whatever you're wearing while
walking down Main Street ... or at a public beach.
In either example, if you've opted to be nude, there's still no
presumption of privacy.
Commercial use of the photos, however, is another matter.
:-)
Jenny
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| User: "Glenn Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Virgina girls who can afford underwear can now lose it. |
30 Jun 2005 07:52:09 PM |
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Jenny6833A wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs ...
I fail to understand what's "sexually explicit" about a photo of a body
part not engaged in sexual activity.
... without the
subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of privacy. In that
case, it's always been illegal.
No, only if there's a reasonable presumption of privacy. That
presumption does not apply in a public place.
There's a presumption that people wear clothes for a reason. Beneath your clothes
is not a public place. If the picture taken would get someone arrested for
indecent exposure, but the subject of the picture didn't expose themselves
purposely, then I'd have to say that privacy was violated.
Of course, there are people who wear clothes that don't make any pretense of
privacy. Or decency.
Glenn Arnold
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| User: "Dr. Tom Snyder" |
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01 Jul 2005 12:26:42 AM |
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Also, I personally don't want to see female breasts and male/female genitals
in public, especially since a child might see them.
By the way, speaking of children, there are some pro-pedophile movies that
are being shown in theaters now, such as MYSTERIOUS SKIN, KINSEY and ME AND
YOU AND EVERYONE WE KNOW. All three of these movies have received critical
raves from liberal critics who hate the religious right's admonitions
against pornography, homosexuality and same-sex marriage. The move from
acceptance of homosexuality to acceptance of pedophilia, incest and
bestiality is well under way from the religious left and their cohorts, the
Christophobic atheists and Communists.
"Glenn Arnold" <oldnoah@att.net> wrote in message
news:42C493B9.1F21F853@att.net...
Jenny6833A wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs ...
I fail to understand what's "sexually explicit" about a photo of a body
part not engaged in sexual activity.
... without the
subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of privacy.
In that
case, it's always been illegal.
No, only if there's a reasonable presumption of privacy. That
presumption does not apply in a public place.
There's a presumption that people wear clothes for a reason. Beneath your
clothes
is not a public place. If the picture taken would get someone arrested for
indecent exposure, but the subject of the picture didn't expose themselves
purposely, then I'd have to say that privacy was violated.
Of course, there are people who wear clothes that don't make any pretense
of
privacy. Or decency.
Glenn Arnold
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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07 Jul 2005 08:42:08 AM |
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"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> astounded us with:
news:5cWdnYMfNLKgTlnfRVn-uw@adelphia.com:
Also, I personally don't want to see female breasts and male/female
genitals in public, especially since a child might see them.
By the way, speaking of children, there are some pro-pedophile movies
that are being shown in theaters now, such as MYSTERIOUS SKIN, KINSEY
and ME AND YOU AND EVERYONE WE KNOW. All three of these movies have
received critical raves from liberal critics who hate the religious
right's admonitions against pornography, homosexuality and same-sex
marriage. The move from acceptance of homosexuality to acceptance of
pedophilia, incest and bestiality is well under way from the religious
left and their cohorts, the Christophobic atheists and Communists.
Wait a sec, champ! The Catholic Church has dibs on paedophilia!
You're a fucking idiot, the mention of "communists" gave it away.
You don't have a fucking CLUE, DO you!
Do you understand Communist theory? Equality for everyone. The premise is
as simple as you, you fucking retard.
For a Primer 101, read Orwell's "Animal Farm". If you HAVE read it (which I
seriously doubt), then you took nothing away from it.
Doctor indeed......I wouldn't trust you to apply a band-aid...
What was your major, redneck-ism?
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Ike" |
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01 Jul 2005 05:08:40 AM |
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"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:5cWdnYMfNLKgTlnfRVn-uw@adelphia.com...
Also, I personally don't want to see female breasts and male/female
genitals
in public, especially since a child might see them.
So you would be in favor of the law and would have voted for a dimwit in the
legislature who helped make a laughing-stock of his/her state.
By the way, speaking of children, there are some pro-pedophile movies that
are being shown in theaters now, such as MYSTERIOUS SKIN, KINSEY and ME
AND
YOU AND EVERYONE WE KNOW. All three of these movies have received critical
raves from liberal critics who hate the religious right's admonitions
against pornography, homosexuality and same-sex marriage. The move from
acceptance of homosexuality to acceptance of pedophilia, incest and
bestiality is well under way from the religious left and their cohorts,
the
Christophobic atheists and Communists.
"Glenn Arnold" <oldnoah@att.net> wrote in message
news:42C493B9.1F21F853@att.net...
Jenny6833A wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs ...
I fail to understand what's "sexually explicit" about a photo of a body
part not engaged in sexual activity.
... without the
subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of privacy.
In that
case, it's always been illegal.
No, only if there's a reasonable presumption of privacy. That
presumption does not apply in a public place.
There's a presumption that people wear clothes for a reason. Beneath your
clothes
is not a public place. If the picture taken would get someone arrested
for
indecent exposure, but the subject of the picture didn't expose
themselves
purposely, then I'd have to say that privacy was violated.
Of course, there are people who wear clothes that don't make any pretense
of
privacy. Or decency.
Glenn Arnold
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| User: "John Baker" |
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05 Jul 2005 03:50:54 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:26:42 -0700, "Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net>
wrote:
Also, I personally don't want to see female breasts and male/female genitals
in public, especially since a child might see them.
I don't want to see posts from Bible-thumping right-wing morons in alt.atheism
either, yet here you are.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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05 Jul 2005 02:37:03 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:52:09 -0400, Glenn Arnold <oldnoah@att.net> wrote:
Jenny6833A wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs ...
I fail to understand what's "sexually explicit" about a photo of a body
part not engaged in sexual activity.
... without the
subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of privacy. In that
case, it's always been illegal.
No, only if there's a reasonable presumption of privacy. That
presumption does not apply in a public place.
There's a presumption that people wear clothes for a reason. Beneath your clothes
is not a public place. If the picture taken would get someone arrested for
indecent exposure, but the subject of the picture didn't expose themselves
purposely, then I'd have to say that privacy was violated.
Jenny's a fanatical nudist. In fact, I don't think I've ever read a post by her
that doesn't at some point refer to nudity and/or the "evils" of wearing
clothes, whether it actually pertains to the topic of the thread or not.
Of course, there are people who wear clothes that don't make any pretense of
privacy. Or decency.
Glenn Arnold
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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05 Jul 2005 03:40:22 AM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:52:09 -0400, Glenn Arnold <oldnoah@att.net> wrote:
Jenny6833A wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs ...
I fail to understand what's "sexually explicit" about a photo of a body
part not engaged in sexual activity.
... without the
subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of privacy.
In that
case, it's always been illegal.
No, only if there's a reasonable presumption of privacy. That
presumption does not apply in a public place.
There's a presumption that people wear clothes for a reason. Beneath your
clothes
is not a public place. If the picture taken would get someone arrested for
indecent exposure, but the subject of the picture didn't expose themselves
purposely, then I'd have to say that privacy was violated.
Jenny's a fanatical nudist. In fact, I don't think I've ever read a post
by her
that doesn't at some point refer to nudity and/or the "evils" of wearing
clothes, whether it actually pertains to the topic of the thread or not.
Which is why I plonked her. I just found that ***** ridiculous after a
while.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "John Baker" |
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05 Jul 2005 03:48:05 AM |
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On 30 Jun 2005 01:15:34 -0700, "Jenny6833A" <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
John Baker wrote:
Actually, I think that taking "sexually explicit" photographs ...
I fail to understand what's "sexually explicit" about a photo of a body
part not engaged in sexual activity.
"Sexually explicit" is determined by law not by content, and what is or isn't
legally explicit depends on where you are. Here in the US, if your model is 18
or over, a topless shot is OK, but if she's 14, it isn't. Neither shot is really
explicit in any practical sense of the word, and I as a photographer don't see
any difference between the two, but the law does.
... without the
subject's knowledge or consent would fall under invasion of privacy. In that
case, it's always been illegal.
No, only if there's a reasonable presumption of privacy. That
presumption does not apply in a public place.
That's quite true to a point. Taking ordinary candid photos is perfectly legal.
However, I think that even in a public place, it's reasonable to presume that
Joe Blow doesn't have the right to aim a camera up your skirt. <G>
You can be legally photographed in whatever you're wearing while
walking down Main Street ... or at a public beach.
In either example, if you've opted to be nude, there's still no
presumption of privacy.
True, if you choose to walk around in public with your bare ***** hanging out, you
have no right to ***** if somebody points a camera at it. I'd even allow that if
a woman, or a man for that matter, is dressed in a manner deliberately
calculated to show as much as possible, he or she doesn't have much room to
complain. But the average victim of the voyeur photographer isn't nude or barely
dressed, and the cameras are aimed surreptitiously at parts of their anatomy
they have no intention of displaying in public.
Commercial use of the photos, however, is another matter.
Commercial use of *any* photo, voyeuristic or not, in which the subject is
recognizable can get you in trouble if the photo was taken without the knowledge
or permission of the subject. It's grounds for a lawsuit just about anywhere.
That's why I carry release forms, and if I think a candid photo has even a
chance of being saleable, I get a signature. If they don't sign, I don't sell.
:-)
Jenny
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