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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Jim07D6"
Date: 19 Jun 2006 03:44:49 AM
Object: OT: Whale Killing
What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?
Contrast:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5093350.stm
http://tinyurl.com/d349g
--- Jim07D6
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Whale Killing 19 Jun 2006 01:50:38 PM
"Jim07D6" <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:deoc921rgigun1o05fgen7fardbqg62t5i@4ax.com...

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?

My practical view is that nothing should be hunted to extinction. Except
perhaps fire ants.
My emotional view is that whales are cool and should never be harmed.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Whale Killing 19 Jun 2006 05:06:18 PM
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:50:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:


"Jim07D6" <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:deoc921rgigun1o05fgen7fardbqg62t5i@4ax.com...

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?


My practical view is that nothing should be hunted to extinction. Except
perhaps fire ants.

And mosquitoes. Definitely mosquito's.

--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: Whale Killing 19 Jun 2006 05:17:10 PM
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:50:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:


"Jim07D6" <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:deoc921rgigun1o05fgen7fardbqg62t5i@4ax.com...

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?


My practical view is that nothing should be hunted to extinction. Except
perhaps fire ants.

My emotional view is that whales are cool and should never be harmed.

Too bad you think it is ok to kill the human unborn.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Whale Killing 19 Jun 2006 05:39:48 PM
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:50:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:


"Jim07D6" <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:deoc921rgigun1o05fgen7fardbqg62t5i@4ax.com...

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?


My practical view is that nothing should be hunted to extinction. Except
perhaps fire ants.

My emotional view is that whales are cool and should never be harmed.


Too bad you think it is ok to kill the human unborn.

We're not on the endangered species list last time I looked.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
.
User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Whale Killing 19 Jun 2006 05:41:41 PM
In article <76qdnRRjpcxPugrZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@io.com> "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> writes:


"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:50:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:


"Jim07D6" <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:deoc921rgigun1o05fgen7fardbqg62t5i@4ax.com...

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?


My practical view is that nothing should be hunted to extinction. Except
perhaps fire ants.

My emotional view is that whales are cool and should never be harmed.


Too bad you think it is ok to kill the human unborn.


We're not on the endangered species list last time I looked.

But we are prominently on the endangering species list.
-- cary
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User: "Brian E. Clark"

Title: Re: Whale Killing 20 Jun 2006 12:10:36 PM
In article <76qdnRRjpcxPugrZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@io.com>, Denis
Loubet said...

My emotional view is that whales are cool and should never be harmed.


Too bad you think it is ok to kill the human unborn.


We're not on the endangered species list last time I looked.

One tendency which makes people like Duke such egregious nitwits
is their habit of tying *every* discussion to one of their
religious pet peeves. No one has written anything remotely
pertinent to abortion in this thread, yet Duke feels the need to
bridge the enormous gap -- using an ill-thought slam against
Jim.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
.
User: "Jim07D6"

Title: Re: Whale Killing 20 Jun 2006 02:18:47 PM
Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> said:

In article <76qdnRRjpcxPugrZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@io.com>, Denis
Loubet said...

My emotional view is that whales are cool and should never be harmed.


Too bad you think it is ok to kill the human unborn.


We're not on the endangered species list last time I looked.


One tendency which makes people like Duke such egregious nitwits
is their habit of tying *every* discussion to one of their
religious pet peeves. No one has written anything remotely
pertinent to abortion in this thread, yet Duke feels the need to
bridge the enormous gap -- using an ill-thought slam against
Jim.

Actually I think he was replying to Mr. Loubet. As far as I am
concerned, I believe the pregnant female whale should decide for
herself. So Duke cannot claim I extend rights to whales that I do not
extend to humans.
--- Jim07D6
.
User: "Brian E. Clark"

Title: Re: Whale Killing 20 Jun 2006 04:19:57 PM
In article <oaig9212ml5pojhf6g7crdo9hnjgmjajs8@4ax.com>, Jim07D6
said...

Actually I think he was replying to Mr. Loubet. As far as I am
concerned, I believe the pregnant female whale should decide for
herself. So Duke cannot claim I extend rights to whales that I do not
extend to humans.
--- Jim07D6

Hmm. If whales could choose, would a division of Focus on the
Family ("Pinpoint on the Pod"?) try to prevent whale abortions?
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
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User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: Whale Killing 20 Jun 2006 09:14:55 AM
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:li8e92thqq2af2v7m2g04vt62i4m5b71v8@4ax.com:

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:50:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>

wrote:



"Jim07D6" <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:deoc921rgigun1o05fgen7fardbqg62t5i@4ax.com...

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?


My practical view is that nothing should be hunted to extinction. Except
perhaps fire ants.

My emotional view is that whales are cool and should never be harmed.


Too bad you think it is ok to kill the human unborn.

PARTICULARLY in YOUR case, but THAT window of opportunity was missed...
But, I recognise your somewhat tenuous, deflective comparison link, the
killing of non self-aware human embryos which resemble piscine embryos, as
opposed to the killing of magnificent, fully grown, sentient cetaceans, of
which you appear to shed not one bloody tear, ghoul.
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.



User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: OT: Whale Killing 20 Jun 2006 08:37:25 AM
Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:deoc921rgigun1o05fgen7fardbqg62t5i@4ax.com:

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?

The answer is in your question. Ethics of killing whales, I believe that's an
oxymoron.
Whales are sentient, intelligent creatures, as opposed to whalers...
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.

User: "Pastor Kutchie"

Title: Some sunny day 19 Jun 2006 07:10:22 AM
Jim07D6 wrote:

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?

Contrast:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5093350.stm

http://tinyurl.com/d349g
--- Jim07D6

The eating of whale meat should be legalised for just a day, then Dame
Vera Lynn can die in peace.
.
User: "Brian E. Clark"

Title: Re: Some sunny day 19 Jun 2006 11:54:03 AM
In article <1150719022.220489.114440
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, Pastor Kutchie said...

The eating of whale meat should be legalised for just a day,
then Dame Vera Lynn can die in peace.

Yes, but if that happens, Peter Sellers will roll in his grave
three times.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Some sunny day 19 Jun 2006 08:36:38 AM
On 19 Jun 2006 05:10:22 -0700, "Pastor Kutchie"
<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote:


Jim07D6 wrote:

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?

Contrast:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5093350.stm

http://tinyurl.com/d349g
--- Jim07D6


The eating of whale meat should be legalised for just a day, then Dame
Vera Lynn can die in peace.

Whae meat again?
.


User: "Uncle Clover"

Title: Re: OT: Whale Killing 19 Jun 2006 03:55:24 AM
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:44:49 GMT, Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote:

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?

Contrast:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5093350.stm

http://tinyurl.com/d349g
--- Jim07D6

Honestly? In some cases we're dealing with creatures who are intelligent enough
that I almost see it as a sort of "cannibalism" (if that makes any sort of sense
to you). We should be trying to interact with these beings, not hunting them.
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
************************************************
The true mark of a civilized society is when its
citizens know how to hate each other peacefully.
************************************************
"A disappearance is when someone has vanished.
A tragedy is when they were photogenic."
- a.t-c's Bo Raxo, paraphrased.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"If you look at the whole life of the planet,
man has only been around for a few blinks of an
eye. So if the infection wipes us all out,
that _is_ a return to normality..."
- Sergeant Farrell, "28 Days Later"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
.
User: ""

Title: Re: OT: Whale Killing 19 Jun 2006 04:20:12 AM
Uncle Clover wrote:

Honestly? In some cases we're dealing with creatures
who are intelligent enough that I almost see it as a sort
of "cannibalism" (if that makes any sort of sense to you).
We should be trying to interact with these beings, not
hunting them.

I can agree with you up to a point. Rather than interacting,
we should be steering clear of them.
.
User: "Uncle Clover"

Title: Re: OT: Whale Killing 19 Jun 2006 04:33:42 AM
On 19 Jun 2006 02:20:12 -0700,
wrote:


Uncle Clover wrote:

Honestly? In some cases we're dealing with creatures
who are intelligent enough that I almost see it as a sort
of "cannibalism" (if that makes any sort of sense to you).
We should be trying to interact with these beings, not
hunting them.


I can agree with you up to a point. Rather than interacting,
we should be steering clear of them.

I can understand that sentiment. I certainly wouldn't favor holding one in
captivity in order to attempt interaction, that's not the kind of interaction
that I meant. I mean to observe them in the wild and see what communicative
signals they recognize amongst themselves, what other communicative signals they
may be likely to respond to if we made such signals, and then attempt to
communicate with them using those signals in their natural habitat.
They'll either be interested in communicating with us, or they won't. But for
those of us who are interested in communicating with them, I feel the most
non-invasive methods possible should be used.
Who knows? If we poke and prod around enough, we might just come upon some form
of ocean-dwelling sapient whose intellect could match our own.
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
************************************************
The true mark of a civilized society is when its
citizens know how to hate each other peacefully.
************************************************
"A disappearance is when someone has vanished.
A tragedy is when they were photogenic."
- a.t-c's Bo Raxo, paraphrased.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"If you look at the whole life of the planet,
man has only been around for a few blinks of an
eye. So if the infection wipes us all out,
that _is_ a return to normality..."
- Sergeant Farrell, "28 Days Later"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: OT: Whale Killing 22 Jun 2006 08:15:31 PM
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:33:42 -0400, Uncle Clover
<UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in alt.atheism

On 19 Jun 2006 02:20:12 -0700,

wrote:


Uncle Clover wrote:

Honestly? In some cases we're dealing with creatures
who are intelligent enough that I almost see it as a sort
of "cannibalism" (if that makes any sort of sense to you).
We should be trying to interact with these beings, not
hunting them.


I can agree with you up to a point. Rather than interacting,
we should be steering clear of them.


I can understand that sentiment. I certainly wouldn't favor holding one in
captivity in order to attempt interaction, that's not the kind of interaction
that I meant. I mean to observe them in the wild and see what communicative
signals they recognize amongst themselves, what other communicative signals they
may be likely to respond to if we made such signals, and then attempt to
communicate with them using those signals in their natural habitat.

They'll either be interested in communicating with us, or they won't. But for
those of us who are interested in communicating with them, I feel the most
non-invasive methods possible should be used.

Who knows? If we poke and prod around enough, we might just come upon some form
of ocean-dwelling sapient whose intellect could match our own.

The whales are much more intelligent.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.




User: "raven1"

Title: Re: OT: Whale Killing 19 Jun 2006 06:04:42 AM
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:44:49 GMT, Jim07D6 <Jim07D6@nospam.net> wrote:

What do you think about the ethics of killing whales?

I see absolutely no justification for killing such highly intelligent
creatures.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
.


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