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While our troops remain on Iraq's streets there is no hope
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1190110,00.html
The occupation must first become invisible, then end
Jonathan Steele in Baghdad
Monday April 12, 2004
The Guardian
One thing is even clearer at the end of the heaviest week of American
casualties in Iraq since the invasion was launched. The current combat
is nothing to do with Saddam Hussein. His hollow regime did not have
the muscle or the loyalty to summon up the urban guerrilla resistance
that we have seen over the past seven days. His conscript army split
and ran.
Jonathan Steele
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| Title: Re: OT: While our troops remain on Iraq's streets there is no hope |
12 Apr 2004 03:36:41 PM |
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: While our troops remain on Iraq's streets there is no hope |
12 Apr 2004 07:26:40 PM |
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On 12 Apr 2004 03:03:19 -0700, (maff), Message ID:
<18510aff.0404120203.7750c17b@posting.google.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
While our troops remain on Iraq's streets there is no hope
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1190110,00.html
Comment
While our troops remain on Iraq's streets there is no hope
The occupation must first become invisible, then end
Jonathan Steele in Baghdad
Monday April 12, 2004
The Guardian
One thing is even clearer at the end of the heaviest week of American
casualties in Iraq since the invasion was launched. The current combat
is nothing to do with Saddam Hussein. His hollow regime did not have the
muscle or the loyalty to summon up the urban guerrilla resistance that
we have seen over the past seven days. His conscript army split and ran.
In its place a year later thousands of volunteers, Shia and Sunni, are
fighting to regain the honour they feel they lost when their ancient
capital and the rest of the country fell to foreign invaders with
relatively few successful shots fired against them.
Where does that leave the occupation forces, or the coalition as it
prefers to be called? The opposite ends of the spectrum are stark
enough: cut and run, or go in even harder with more guns blazing and
more bloodshed. But is there a middle way? Can the coalition find a path
back to stability and acceptance?
Regaining national and individual pride is not the only motive for the
sudden explosion of discontent. There are other causes, and they vary
from person to person, including the millions who were happy to see the
end of Saddam Hussein. But unless the coalition's leaders understand
that almost every Iraqi resents the presence of foreign troops, they
will never be able to recoup.
Colin Powell was still talking last week of "remnants of the old
regime". Sitting in Bermuda, Tony Blair penned cliches about
"extremists" whose "thirst will not be slaked" if the troops are brought
home. "Dictators would rejoice, fanatics and terrorists would be
triumphant. We are locked in an historic struggle in Iraq," he
thundered.
Actually, it is much less global, and for Iraqis very local. I wish the
prime minister had sat with the congregation of 200,000 ordinary Sunnis
and Shias at Baghdad's Umm al-Qura mosque last Friday, which pulsated
with anger over the agony of Falluja. If only the middle-aged man who
politely said "welcome" when he learned I was English and handed me a
piece of paper could have given it to Tony Blair. Its short message,
written in English, was: "No dignity with occupation."
Paul Bremer, the top US administrator, has met enough Iraqis to know
this. But he brushes it off as "underlying resentment". As a teenager,
he went to school in France. "The French have never forgiven us for
liberating them," he is known to have told visitors, as though it is no
more than a psychological irritant.
If all else is going well, perhaps it can be massaged away. But Iraq is
not France. It is a country of mass unemployment and poverty (in spite
of potential oil wealth). This is the second lesson the coalition must
learn. In Basra and Amara, where there have been several marches for
jobs, the British routinely comment: "They are not political. These
protests are not about the occupation." But if little is done about the
economy month after month, frustration becomes political. Moqtada
al-Sadr's following comes mainly from jobless young men.
The third issue is the coalition's excessive use of force. Falluja
captured the world's headlines, but all over the Sunni areas there have
been mini-Fallujas for months. US troops respond to attacks with
artillery fire and air strikes, clumsy house-to-house searches, and mass
arrests. In the process they create more enemies and provoke a desire
for revenge.
"We have even lost our right to get undressed for bed," a businessman in
the town of Muqdadiya told me. Startled, I asked what he meant. He
recounted how American troops had burst into his home after dark,
handcuffed him in his night clothes in front of his terrified wife and
children, and taken him away. Head of the local branch of the Iraqi
Islamic party, he is a member of the town's US-approved council. His
colleagues protested and got him released the next day.
His ordeal was short compared with the torture he suffered during five
detentions under Saddam when his party had to work underground. But he
said it left a deeper wound. "Under Saddam they summoned you to the
security police headquarters, and that was where the torture began. They
didn't humiliate you in sight of your family," he explained.
His experience illustrates the fourth key problem of the occupation -
the dilemma it poses for every Iraqi leader. How does one work with the
coalition without losing one's fellow citizens' respect? Is there a
bridge between collaboration and resistance, or only a wall?
The Muqdadiya businessman was detained by the Americans on suspicion of
links with the people who attack US convoys. He denied it, though he is
clearly well-known in the local villages and he sent a party member to
escort us through the countryside to meet victims of US
counter-insurgency operations.
Many of the coalition's political officers know the difficult role that
Iraqi politicians and tribal leaders have to play. The town councils it
appointed around Iraq kept the peace until last week's explosion by
representing a broad range of different local interests. When necessary,
the coalition turned a blind eye to their ideologies and affiliations.
The difficulty comes with the US military, and its Bushian philosophy of
"You're either with us or against", which forces Iraqi leaders into a
corner.
How can the position be salvaged? The most hopeful recent event was the
outspoken criticism of the Falluja overkill by members of the governing
council, and their threat to resign. Iraqis say they are beginning to
respect them at last. If the council can get the US marines to leave
Falluja, they will have done a great deal.
Secondly, coalition money must be spent fast to generate jobs. Offering
foreign corporations long-term reconstruction contracts is less urgent
than simple public works. Rebuilding looted offices, fixing the traffic
lights, removing the mounds of rubbish, regular cleaning of schools and
hospitals would spread income quickly, but when, for example, the city
of Nassiriya and its province has a budget of £1m, how can the governor
even begin?
The key task is to make the occupation invisible. The transfer of
sovereignty on June 30 will mean nothing if coalition troops remain on
city streets. "They behave as though it is their country and we are all
terrorists," said one Falluja resident, angry that US troops almost
invariably point their guns at people. Put foreign forces under an
unambiguous UN mandate, name an early date for their full withdrawal
that Iraqis can believe, and immediately reduce the US contingent, which
has shown it lacks the training and enough commanders who are able to
conduct intelligent peace-keeping. If Falluja has not made that obvious,
nothing will.
j.steele@guardian.co.uk
© Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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