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"Eris" |
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21 May 2004 06:36:29 PM |
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O.T, Who are the Chaldean |
Who are they, I know they are Christian, from around Baghdad. I have
never come into contact with a Chaldean, but those who have are very
frightened of them.
So who are they and why are they in the Detroit, Bay City, Saginaw
area?
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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| Title: Re: O.T, Who are the Chaldean |
21 May 2004 09:59:49 PM |
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Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:le4ta0lr5vtagpte3tjj3f1ucf2ul96gou@4ax.com...
Who are they, I know they are Christian, from around Baghdad. I have
never come into contact with a Chaldean, but those who have are very
frightened of them.
So who are they and why are they in the Detroit, Bay City, Saginaw
area?
In the Old Testament of the Bible, 'Chaldean' was a term for the
Babylonians (who lived where southern Iraq is now), whose empire under
Nebuchadnezzar eventually destroyed the Jewish kingdom of Judah and its
capitol, Jerusalem, and carried away many of the people into exile in
Babylon. The Babylonians were known for astronomy, and the term Chaldean
later became a generalized synonym for 'soothsayer' or 'astrologer' rather
than an ethnic term, as is shown in later OT books like the Book of Daniel.
I don't know what they're doing in Detroit.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: O.T, Who are the Chaldean |
21 May 2004 10:12:46 PM |
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In article <Fmzrc.38$7%1.36@news01.roc.ny>,=20
ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com says...
Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:le4ta0lr5vtagpte3tjj3f1ucf2ul96gou@4ax.com...
Who are they, I know they are Christian, from around Baghdad. I have
never come into contact with a Chaldean, but those who have are very
frightened of them.
So who are they and why are they in the Detroit, Bay City, Saginaw
area?
=20
In the Old Testament of the Bible, 'Chaldean' was a term for the
Babylonians (who lived where southern Iraq is now), whose empire under
Nebuchadnezzar eventually destroyed the Jewish kingdom of Judah and its
capitol, Jerusalem, and carried away many of the people into exile in
Babylon. The Babylonians were known for astronomy, and the term Chaldean
later became a generalized synonym for 'soothsayer' or 'astrologer' rathe=
r
than an ethnic term, as is shown in later OT books like the Book of Danie=
l.
I don't know what they're doing in Detroit.
More than you wanted to know:
http://www.amecc.us/TEXT%20FILES%20CHURCHES/chaldean_heritage.htm
Since the second century A.D. Christianity has flourished in Mesopotamia=20
among the descendent of the two great and ancient nations of Assyria and=20
Chaldea. Once they were baptized, both nations preferred the name=20
=93Christian=94 to their old national name. Thus the church which was=20
compromised of these two nations was called simply =93the Church of the=20
East=94. Our church of Mesopotamia prospered and expanded into the whole=20
area of Assyria, Chaldean, Persia, Arabia, the steppes of Mongolia in=20
Asia, the Malabar Coast of India, and even into China.
During the first five centuries A.D. the Chaldean-Assyrian church was in=20
communion with Rome. It had control over its people while their=20
jurisdiction was exercised independently from the Patriarchate of=20
Antioch. A school for Christian learning was even established in (modern=20
Urfa-Tur). This school reached its highest glory under Mar Aprem (St.=20
Ephrem) in 363 A.D. Sixty years later, however, the school and the=20
church, fell prey to the Nestorian teaching. In 489 A.D. Nissibin became=20
the new intellectual center of Mesopotamia by imperial order.
The head of the newly independent Church of the East in Mesopotamia was=20
called =93Katholikos.=94 He resided in Seleucia-Cteisphon, near Baghdad,=20
Iraq. In the seventh century, Mesopotamia was conquered by the Moslems.=20
In 780 A.D. the Catholikos Timetheos I moved his residence to the new=20
capital of Baghdad.
Historians acknowledged the important role which the scholars of the=20
Church of the East played in the formation of the Arab culture. By the=20
end of the tenth century, there were fifteen Metropolitan Provinces in=20
Mesopotamia and five beyond the border, including Malabar in India,=20
China, Iran, Syria and Egypt. The provinces even extended into Eastern=20
Siberia and Mongolia.
The first official attempt on the part of the Church of the East in=20
Mesopotamia to be reunited with the Catholic Church of Rome was realized=20
when the elected Patriarch John Sulaka went to Rome and made his=20
profession of the Catholic Faith before Pope Julius III in 1553. By=20
1592, however, most Mesopotamian Catholics had fallen back into=20
Nestorian groups had reunited with Rome only to break ties again after a=20
few years. By the 19th century, reunited Catholics out numbered those=20
who refused to unite.The term =93Chaldean Church=94 was first used in 1445=
=20
A.D. by Pope Euginus V to distinguish the Nestorians of Cyprus, who were=20
newly reconciled with Rome, from the Nestorians in general, henceforth=20
called Assyrians.
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The first pioneers of the Chaldean people arrived in the United States=20
at the end of the nineteenth century. They were few in number, but by=20
the end of the first half of this century, they increased and were=20
spread all over the country. Today there are fourteen Chaldean parishes=20
with more than one hundred thousand Chaldeans in the United States.=20
There are five Parishes in Metropolitan Detroit, Michigan. There are two=20
Parishes in Chicago, Illinois. There are six Parishes in California: two=20
in San Diego (EL Cajon), one in Los Angeles, one in Turlock, one in=20
Campbell and one in santa Ana. There is also a parish in Scottsdale=20
Arizona. There are also two missions, in Sacramanto, California and Las=20
Vegas, Nevada Many more Chaldeans are scattered throughout the states=20
that are unaccounted for.
--=20
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today is a fine day for reality . . ."
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: O.T, Who are the Chaldean |
21 May 2004 10:04:25 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 02:59:49 GMT, "Adam Marczyk"
<ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:le4ta0lr5vtagpte3tjj3f1ucf2ul96gou@4ax.com...
Who are they, I know they are Christian, from around Baghdad. I have
never come into contact with a Chaldean, but those who have are very
frightened of them.
So who are they and why are they in the Detroit, Bay City, Saginaw
area?
In the Old Testament of the Bible, 'Chaldean' was a term for the
Babylonians (who lived where southern Iraq is now), whose empire under
Nebuchadnezzar eventually destroyed the Jewish kingdom of Judah and its
capitol, Jerusalem, and carried away many of the people into exile in
Babylon. The Babylonians were known for astronomy, and the term Chaldean
later became a generalized synonym for 'soothsayer' or 'astrologer' rather
than an ethnic term, as is shown in later OT books like the Book of Daniel.
I don't know what they're doing in Detroit.
Apparently they are good fighters.
I have to agree with the previous poster they are good and bad in
every nationality, race or religion. I told my daughter what I had
wrote and one of her good friends is a Chaldean.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: O.T, Who are the Chaldean |
22 May 2004 03:41:10 AM |
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Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<le4ta0lr5vtagpte3tjj3f1ucf2ul96gou@4ax.com>...
Who are they, I know they are Christian, from around Baghdad. I have
never come into contact with a Chaldean, but those who have are very
frightened of them.
So who are they and why are they in the Detroit, Bay City, Saginaw
area?
Do you mean Chalcedon?
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=18510aff.0311010143.1d4e4819%40posting.google.com
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: O.T, Who are the Chaldean |
21 May 2004 09:56:15 PM |
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In article <le4ta0lr5vtagpte3tjj3f1ucf2ul96gou@4ax.com>,
vithant01PI@comcast.net says...
Who are they, I know they are Christian, from around Baghdad. I have
never come into contact with a Chaldean, but those who have are very
frightened of them.
So who are they and why are they in the Detroit, Bay City, Saginaw
area?
Better than 10% of my students in El Cajon, CA are Chaldean, and have
been for the 17 years I've been teaching. They speak a version of
Aramaic. Very much an old-world, male dominated culture. I've seen a
Chaldean mother walking down the hall, two paces behind her son, to a
meeting where we were to discuss his behavior.
That was several years ago, and the younger Chaldeans are becoming
Americans. I've never had any reason to fear them, and some of them are
first rate students and human beings, just like you'll find in any
ethnic group.
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Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today is a fine day for reality . . ."
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