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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Sep 2005 11:30:04 AM |
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OT: Who called whom... |
Here it is. I remember this happening but I just now ran across a story
about it. There are people that want to claim Bush was behind the
mandatory evacuation (trying to make Blanco and Nagin look like
incompetents despite the fact they--and other local officials--were doing
all the work while Bush was on vacation).
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml
"On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina that
he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New
Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of Katrina during a
video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas."
Max Mayfield was the one who caused Blanco, Nagin, and Brussard to push
even harder in the *already in progress* evacuation. Bush's entire
contribution was to call Blanco and say "you should get those people out
of there." Oh my, that was helpful. No actual offer of help in evacuating,
just a "you should do something or other."
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Misleart Chuff" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:26:55 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net...
[snip]
: Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans
*was...
:
: http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
I notice Fred Stone isn't trying to defend _this_ bit of work.....
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:30:46 PM |
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In <3g0Ue.783$au2.97@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, "Misleart Chuff"
<misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net... [snip]
: Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans
*was...
:
: http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
I notice Fred Stone isn't trying to defend _this_ bit of work.....
I'm *still boggling over that one. Bush declared a state of emergency in
the WRONG PARISHES.
Wow.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Kate " |
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08 Sep 2005 07:54:05 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:30:46 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <3g0Ue.783$au2.97@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, "Misleart Chuff"
<misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net... [snip]
: Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans
*was...
:
: http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
I notice Fred Stone isn't trying to defend _this_ bit of work.....
I'm *still boggling over that one. Bush declared a state of emergency in
the WRONG PARISHES.
Wow.
Well, if you follow the Republican's logic, then that means that
nobody should have done anything to help those parishes, because the
state of emergency was not properly called.
And you couldn't blame any of the locals in charge.
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| User: "Sean C" |
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08 Sep 2005 12:51:49 PM |
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In article <RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Now, now, you're being a bit unfair. Bush has gotten drunk a few times
down there so I'm sure he has a rough idea where the city of Louisiana
is.
Sean C
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Sep 2005 12:57:39 PM |
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In <080920050851495120%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:
In article <RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Now, now, you're being a bit unfair. Bush has gotten drunk a few times
down there so I'm sure he has a rough idea where the city of Louisiana is.
That might explain why he got the map upside down...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "WCB" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:52:56 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <080920050851495120%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:
In article <RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Now, now, you're being a bit unfair. Bush has gotten drunk a few times
down there so I'm sure he has a rough idea where the city of Louisiana
is.
That might explain why he got the map upside down...
I strongly suspect Bush did not do the map.
Somebody else would be delegated to do that. Who?
Did anybody check this stuff? Looking at the map on the site
shows its a total screwup. Does Bush ever hire anybody
competent?
--
"Today the official spokesman for the Foxes
agreed an investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed."
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Sep 2005 11:02:42 PM |
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In <11i14rbh0g6c5ea@corp.supernews.com>, WCB
<wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <080920050851495120%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:
In article <RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans
*was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Now, now, you're being a bit unfair. Bush has gotten drunk a few times
down there so I'm sure he has a rough idea where the city of Louisiana
is.
That might explain why he got the map upside down...
I strongly suspect Bush did not do the map. Somebody else would be
delegated to do that. Who? Did anybody check this stuff? Looking at the
map on the site shows its a total screwup. Does Bush ever hire anybody
competent?
According to him, everybody he hires is competent.
But how could *he tell?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Kate " |
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08 Sep 2005 11:49:03 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:42 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <11i14rbh0g6c5ea@corp.supernews.com>, WCB
<wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <080920050851495120%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:
In article <RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans
*was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Now, now, you're being a bit unfair. Bush has gotten drunk a few times
down there so I'm sure he has a rough idea where the city of Louisiana
is.
That might explain why he got the map upside down...
I strongly suspect Bush did not do the map. Somebody else would be
delegated to do that. Who? Did anybody check this stuff? Looking at the
map on the site shows its a total screwup. Does Bush ever hire anybody
competent?
According to him, everybody he hires is competent.
according to Bush, leaders don't admit they make mistakes. Admitting
that someone that you hired was incompetent would be admitting a
mistake, therefore anyone you hired can not make mistakes either.
it's simple.
But how could *he tell?
Like most neo-cons he has no concept of competent anyway. I think
that's why so many of them are total ***** ups. They get their money
and position from others who needed a ***** up.
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 Sep 2005 08:33:02 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:52:56 -0500, WCB
<wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <080920050851495120%redhawk@burnspammersalive.com>, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.com> wrote:
In article <RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Now, now, you're being a bit unfair. Bush has gotten drunk a few times
down there so I'm sure he has a rough idea where the city of Louisiana
is.
That might explain why he got the map upside down...
I strongly suspect Bush did not do the map.
Somebody else would be delegated to do that. Who?
Did anybody check this stuff? Looking at the map on the site
shows its a total screwup. Does Bush ever hire anybody
competent?
The massive amounts of objective supporting evidence indicates; "No."
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "WCB" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:51:15 PM |
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Sean C wrote:
In article <RtOdnW5caIgrvb3eRVn-jw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Now, now, you're being a bit unfair. Bush has gotten drunk a few times
down there so I'm sure he has a rough idea where the city of Louisiana
is.
Sean C
Just because you got drunk in Nawlins doesn't mean
you know where you are. Maybe one might remember
the bar.
--
"Today the official spokesman for the Foxes
agreed an investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed."
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Kate " |
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08 Sep 2005 01:45:02 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:30:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Here it is. I remember this happening but I just now ran across a story
about it. There are people that want to claim Bush was behind the
mandatory evacuation (trying to make Blanco and Nagin look like
incompetents despite the fact they--and other local officials--were doing
all the work while Bush was on vacation).
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml
"On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina that
he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New
Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of Katrina during a
video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas."
Max Mayfield was the one who caused Blanco, Nagin, and Brussard to push
even harder in the *already in progress* evacuation. Bush's entire
contribution was to call Blanco and say "you should get those people out
of there." Oh my, that was helpful. No actual offer of help in evacuating,
just a "you should do something or other."
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Kind of a nasty phone call for Bush to make, after denying NO any
money to evacuate.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:02:30 PM |
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In <43283fc5.55532453@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate )
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:30:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Here it is. I remember this happening but I just now ran across a story
about it. There are people that want to claim Bush was behind the
mandatory evacuation (trying to make Blanco and Nagin look like
incompetents despite the fact they--and other local officials--were doing
all the work while Bush was on vacation).
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml
"On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina that
he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New
Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of Katrina during a
video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas."
Max Mayfield was the one who caused Blanco, Nagin, and Brussard to push
even harder in the *already in progress* evacuation. Bush's entire
contribution was to call Blanco and say "you should get those people out
of there." Oh my, that was helpful. No actual offer of help in
evacuating, just a "you should do something or other."
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Kind of a nasty phone call for Bush to make, after denying NO any money to
evacuate.
Don't you love it?
Bush: "Get those people outta there!"
Blanco: "We need help!"
Bush: "Sorry, gotta go!"
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "WCB" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:54:12 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:30:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Here it is. I remember this happening but I just now ran across a story
about it. There are people that want to claim Bush was behind the
mandatory evacuation (trying to make Blanco and Nagin look like
incompetents despite the fact they--and other local officials--were doing
all the work while Bush was on vacation).
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml
"On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina that
he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New
Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of Katrina during a
video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas."
Max Mayfield was the one who caused Blanco, Nagin, and Brussard to push
even harder in the *already in progress* evacuation. Bush's entire
contribution was to call Blanco and say "you should get those people out
of there." Oh my, that was helpful. No actual offer of help in evacuating,
just a "you should do something or other."
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Kind of a nasty phone call for Bush to make, after denying NO any
money to evacuate.
When was that? Geeze, we need a timeline here.
This is getting confusing, especially with the Bush
lying and spinning going on.
--
"Today the official spokesman for the Foxes
agreed an investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed."
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Sep 2005 11:02:10 PM |
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In <11i14tn2hrf9517@corp.supernews.com>, WCB
<wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:30:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Here it is. I remember this happening but I just now ran across a story
about it. There are people that want to claim Bush was behind the
mandatory evacuation (trying to make Blanco and Nagin look like
incompetents despite the fact they--and other local officials--were
doing all the work while Bush was on vacation).
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml
"On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina that
he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of
New Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of Katrina during
a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford,
Texas."
Max Mayfield was the one who caused Blanco, Nagin, and Brussard to push
even harder in the *already in progress* evacuation. Bush's entire
contribution was to call Blanco and say "you should get those people out
of there." Oh my, that was helpful. No actual offer of help in
evacuating, just a "you should do something or other."
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Kind of a nasty phone call for Bush to make, after denying NO any money
to evacuate.
When was that? Geeze, we need a timeline here. This is getting confusing,
especially with the Bush lying and spinning going on.
Well...
Friday before landfall:
Blanco (believing she was getting ahead of things) filed the state of
emergency paperwork and requested a declaration from the President.
Bush declared a state of emergency in the wrong parishes.
Katrina was headed for Florida though everybody was watching it because
those beasts can turn on you (as it were). So the state was getting ready.
Saturday before landfall:
We all get up to find Katrina had changed her mind suddenly and the track
had "jumped" (as they were putting it on the news) to aim squarely at us.
She's still not *that big so people are urged to prepare (and urged
repeatedly). State and local officials meet to decide on evacuations.
Low lying parishes (first under the new plan and most likely to be hurt
even from a rather mild hurricane) start evacuating.
As we're all rushing to Home Depot and the stores to get plywood and
supplies, Katrina is getting bigger and evacuation orders start moving
west. Everybody is startled at how well traffic is flowing under the new
plan. As I recall, it was about 4pm Blanco activated contra-flow as
traffic picked up.
We all go to bed thinking it's going to get nasty but lots of
us--particularly in the Western side of things--are not terribly
concerned. Somewhere in there, mandatory orders pop up for the far
Southeastern areas but I forget the exact timing.
That night, Max Mayfield of the NHC calls the governors of Louisiana and
Mississippi as well as the mayor of New Orleans (Ray Nagin) to warn them
he believes this will be "the big one."
Sunday before landfall:
Mayfield briefs Bush (Sec. Chertoff and Brown were in this call I believe).
Bush tells Blanco she should "get those people out" but doesn't help her
do so.
Mark falls off his ladder boarding up.
Nagin declares the first ever mandatory evacuation for the parish of
Orleans.
In the category of "good thing that global warming is a myth," an
unusually warm area of water off the coast starts powering Katrina up to
unheard of wind speeds. Numbers such as 180mph sustained with 220mph gusts
are tossed about.
Mark wets his drawers and hastily throws things, people, and dogs into car.
Gas stations are running dry of gas and closing. But, fortunately, the
radio stations are keeping people updated on road conditions and gas
locations. We don't end up with masses stranded on the highways.
Contra-flow ends about 5 or 6pm marking more or less the "official end" of
the evacuation. Blanco notes that the "loading areas" are becoming quiet,
traffic across the city becoming light. Pretty much everybody who's going
to be able to get out is on the road.
The shelters of last resort open, buses run announced routes through the
city to pick people up who could not evacuate. This goes on while
officials are getting ready to pull back police, firefighters, etc. to
shelters to weather out the storm.
The city battens down.
Monday after landfall:
Bush finally finds New Orleans on a map and declares parishes on the Gulf
Coast disaster areas.
Tuesday after landfall:
Bush plays guitar.
Condi shops for shoes.
Wednesday after landfall:
Condi sees a play.
Thursday after landfall:
FEMA shows up. Sort of.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: OT: Who called whom... |
08 Sep 2005 11:46:04 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:10 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <11i14tn2hrf9517@corp.supernews.com>, WCB
<wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:30:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Here it is. I remember this happening but I just now ran across a story
about it. There are people that want to claim Bush was behind the
mandatory evacuation (trying to make Blanco and Nagin look like
incompetents despite the fact they--and other local officials--were
doing all the work while Bush was on vacation).
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml
"On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina that
he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of
New Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of Katrina during
a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford,
Texas."
Max Mayfield was the one who caused Blanco, Nagin, and Brussard to push
even harder in the *already in progress* evacuation. Bush's entire
contribution was to call Blanco and say "you should get those people out
of there." Oh my, that was helpful. No actual offer of help in
evacuating, just a "you should do something or other."
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans *was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Kind of a nasty phone call for Bush to make, after denying NO any money
to evacuate.
When was that? Geeze, we need a timeline here. This is getting confusing,
especially with the Bush lying and spinning going on.
Well...
Friday before landfall:
Blanco (believing she was getting ahead of things) filed the state of
emergency paperwork and requested a declaration from the President.
Bush declared a state of emergency in the wrong parishes.
Katrina was headed for Florida though everybody was watching it because
those beasts can turn on you (as it were). So the state was getting ready.
Saturday before landfall:
We all get up to find Katrina had changed her mind suddenly and the track
had "jumped" (as they were putting it on the news) to aim squarely at us.
She's still not *that big so people are urged to prepare (and urged
repeatedly). State and local officials meet to decide on evacuations.
Low lying parishes (first under the new plan and most likely to be hurt
even from a rather mild hurricane) start evacuating.
As we're all rushing to Home Depot and the stores to get plywood and
supplies, Katrina is getting bigger and evacuation orders start moving
west. Everybody is startled at how well traffic is flowing under the new
plan. As I recall, it was about 4pm Blanco activated contra-flow as
traffic picked up.
We all go to bed thinking it's going to get nasty but lots of
us--particularly in the Western side of things--are not terribly
concerned. Somewhere in there, mandatory orders pop up for the far
Southeastern areas but I forget the exact timing.
That night, Max Mayfield of the NHC calls the governors of Louisiana and
Mississippi as well as the mayor of New Orleans (Ray Nagin) to warn them
he believes this will be "the big one."
Sunday before landfall:
Mayfield briefs Bush (Sec. Chertoff and Brown were in this call I believe).
Bush tells Blanco she should "get those people out" but doesn't help her
do so.
Mark falls off his ladder boarding up.
Nagin declares the first ever mandatory evacuation for the parish of
Orleans.
In the category of "good thing that global warming is a myth," an
unusually warm area of water off the coast starts powering Katrina up to
unheard of wind speeds. Numbers such as 180mph sustained with 220mph gusts
are tossed about.
Mark wets his drawers and hastily throws things, people, and dogs into car.
Gas stations are running dry of gas and closing. But, fortunately, the
radio stations are keeping people updated on road conditions and gas
locations. We don't end up with masses stranded on the highways.
Contra-flow ends about 5 or 6pm marking more or less the "official end" of
the evacuation. Blanco notes that the "loading areas" are becoming quiet,
traffic across the city becoming light. Pretty much everybody who's going
to be able to get out is on the road.
The shelters of last resort open, buses run announced routes through the
city to pick people up who could not evacuate. This goes on while
officials are getting ready to pull back police, firefighters, etc. to
shelters to weather out the storm.
The city battens down.
Monday after landfall:
Bush finally finds New Orleans on a map and declares parishes on the Gulf
Coast disaster areas.
Tuesday after landfall:
Bush plays guitar.
Condi shops for shoes.
Wednesday after landfall:
Condi sees a play.
Thursday after landfall:
FEMA shows up. Sort of.
Out of curiosity Mark,
Did you have room in the car for passengers?
Did it occur to you to cruise anywhere looking for hitchhikers?
Did you see any hitchhikers?
Did you see anyone pick up hitchhikers?
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09 Sep 2005 12:49:27 AM |
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In <4334cc72.91545671@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate )
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:10 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <11i14tn2hrf9517@corp.supernews.com>, WCB
<wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:30:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Here it is. I remember this happening but I just now ran across a
story about it. There are people that want to claim Bush was behind
the mandatory evacuation (trying to make Blanco and Nagin look like
incompetents despite the fact they--and other local officials--were
doing all the work while Bush was on vacation).
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml
"On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina
that he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the
mayor of New Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of
Katrina during a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch
in Crawford, Texas."
Max Mayfield was the one who caused Blanco, Nagin, and Brussard to
push even harder in the *already in progress* evacuation. Bush's
entire contribution was to call Blanco and say "you should get those
people out of there." Oh my, that was helpful. No actual offer of help
in evacuating, just a "you should do something or other."
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans
*was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Kind of a nasty phone call for Bush to make, after denying NO any
money to evacuate.
When was that? Geeze, we need a timeline here. This is getting
confusing, especially with the Bush lying and spinning going on.
Well...
Friday before landfall:
Blanco (believing she was getting ahead of things) filed the state of
emergency paperwork and requested a declaration from the President.
Bush declared a state of emergency in the wrong parishes.
Katrina was headed for Florida though everybody was watching it because
those beasts can turn on you (as it were). So the state was getting
ready.
Saturday before landfall:
We all get up to find Katrina had changed her mind suddenly and the track
had "jumped" (as they were putting it on the news) to aim squarely at us.
She's still not *that big so people are urged to prepare (and urged
repeatedly). State and local officials meet to decide on evacuations.
Low lying parishes (first under the new plan and most likely to be hurt
even from a rather mild hurricane) start evacuating.
As we're all rushing to Home Depot and the stores to get plywood and
supplies, Katrina is getting bigger and evacuation orders start moving
west. Everybody is startled at how well traffic is flowing under the new
plan. As I recall, it was about 4pm Blanco activated contra-flow as
traffic picked up.
We all go to bed thinking it's going to get nasty but lots of
us--particularly in the Western side of things--are not terribly
concerned. Somewhere in there, mandatory orders pop up for the far
Southeastern areas but I forget the exact timing.
That night, Max Mayfield of the NHC calls the governors of Louisiana and
Mississippi as well as the mayor of New Orleans (Ray Nagin) to warn them
he believes this will be "the big one."
Sunday before landfall:
Mayfield briefs Bush (Sec. Chertoff and Brown were in this call I
believe).
Bush tells Blanco she should "get those people out" but doesn't help her
do so.
Mark falls off his ladder boarding up.
Nagin declares the first ever mandatory evacuation for the parish of
Orleans.
In the category of "good thing that global warming is a myth," an
unusually warm area of water off the coast starts powering Katrina up to
unheard of wind speeds. Numbers such as 180mph sustained with 220mph
gusts are tossed about.
Mark wets his drawers and hastily throws things, people, and dogs into
car.
Gas stations are running dry of gas and closing. But, fortunately, the
radio stations are keeping people updated on road conditions and gas
locations. We don't end up with masses stranded on the highways.
Contra-flow ends about 5 or 6pm marking more or less the "official end"
of the evacuation. Blanco notes that the "loading areas" are becoming
quiet, traffic across the city becoming light. Pretty much everybody
who's going to be able to get out is on the road.
The shelters of last resort open, buses run announced routes through the
city to pick people up who could not evacuate. This goes on while
officials are getting ready to pull back police, firefighters, etc. to
shelters to weather out the storm.
The city battens down.
Monday after landfall:
Bush finally finds New Orleans on a map and declares parishes on the Gulf
Coast disaster areas.
Tuesday after landfall:
Bush plays guitar.
Condi shops for shoes.
Wednesday after landfall:
Condi sees a play.
Thursday after landfall:
FEMA shows up. Sort of.
Out of curiosity Mark,
Did you have room in the car for passengers?
A Ford Escort with two people, medical supplies and two pit bulls?
(In short, no)
Did it occur to you to cruise anywhere looking for hitchhikers?
Did you see any hitchhikers?
Did you see anyone pick up hitchhikers?
Didn't see any hitchhikers. Don't know anybody would have tried that. Heat
index around here can get to 110 in high humidity and once you get past
where I live, there's a lot of miles of nothing to get through before the
next city...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| Title: Re: OT: Who called whom... |
09 Sep 2005 03:07:04 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 19:49:27 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <4334cc72.91545671@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate )
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:10 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <11i14tn2hrf9517@corp.supernews.com>, WCB
<wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:30:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Here it is. I remember this happening but I just now ran across a
story about it. There are people that want to claim Bush was behind
the mandatory evacuation (trying to make Blanco and Nagin look like
incompetents despite the fact they--and other local officials--were
doing all the work while Bush was on vacation).
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml
"On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina
that he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the
mayor of New Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of
Katrina during a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch
in Crawford, Texas."
Max Mayfield was the one who caused Blanco, Nagin, and Brussard to
push even harder in the *already in progress* evacuation. Bush's
entire contribution was to call Blanco and say "you should get those
people out of there." Oh my, that was helpful. No actual offer of help
in evacuating, just a "you should do something or other."
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans
*was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Kind of a nasty phone call for Bush to make, after denying NO any
money to evacuate.
When was that? Geeze, we need a timeline here. This is getting
confusing, especially with the Bush lying and spinning going on.
Well...
Friday before landfall:
Blanco (believing she was getting ahead of things) filed the state of
emergency paperwork and requested a declaration from the President.
Bush declared a state of emergency in the wrong parishes.
Katrina was headed for Florida though everybody was watching it because
those beasts can turn on you (as it were). So the state was getting
ready.
Saturday before landfall:
We all get up to find Katrina had changed her mind suddenly and the track
had "jumped" (as they were putting it on the news) to aim squarely at us.
She's still not *that big so people are urged to prepare (and urged
repeatedly). State and local officials meet to decide on evacuations.
Low lying parishes (first under the new plan and most likely to be hurt
even from a rather mild hurricane) start evacuating.
As we're all rushing to Home Depot and the stores to get plywood and
supplies, Katrina is getting bigger and evacuation orders start moving
west. Everybody is startled at how well traffic is flowing under the new
plan. As I recall, it was about 4pm Blanco activated contra-flow as
traffic picked up.
We all go to bed thinking it's going to get nasty but lots of
us--particularly in the Western side of things--are not terribly
concerned. Somewhere in there, mandatory orders pop up for the far
Southeastern areas but I forget the exact timing.
That night, Max Mayfield of the NHC calls the governors of Louisiana and
Mississippi as well as the mayor of New Orleans (Ray Nagin) to warn them
he believes this will be "the big one."
Sunday before landfall:
Mayfield briefs Bush (Sec. Chertoff and Brown were in this call I
believe).
Bush tells Blanco she should "get those people out" but doesn't help her
do so.
Mark falls off his ladder boarding up.
Nagin declares the first ever mandatory evacuation for the parish of
Orleans.
In the category of "good thing that global warming is a myth," an
unusually warm area of water off the coast starts powering Katrina up to
unheard of wind speeds. Numbers such as 180mph sustained with 220mph
gusts are tossed about.
Mark wets his drawers and hastily throws things, people, and dogs into
car.
Gas stations are running dry of gas and closing. But, fortunately, the
radio stations are keeping people updated on road conditions and gas
locations. We don't end up with masses stranded on the highways.
Contra-flow ends about 5 or 6pm marking more or less the "official end"
of the evacuation. Blanco notes that the "loading areas" are becoming
quiet, traffic across the city becoming light. Pretty much everybody
who's going to be able to get out is on the road.
The shelters of last resort open, buses run announced routes through the
city to pick people up who could not evacuate. This goes on while
officials are getting ready to pull back police, firefighters, etc. to
shelters to weather out the storm.
The city battens down.
Monday after landfall:
Bush finally finds New Orleans on a map and declares parishes on the Gulf
Coast disaster areas.
Tuesday after landfall:
Bush plays guitar.
Condi shops for shoes.
Wednesday after landfall:
Condi sees a play.
Thursday after landfall:
FEMA shows up. Sort of.
Out of curiosity Mark,
Did you have room in the car for passengers?
A Ford Escort with two people, medical supplies and two pit bulls?
(In short, no)
Did it occur to you to cruise anywhere looking for hitchhikers?
Did you see any hitchhikers?
Did you see anyone pick up hitchhikers?
Didn't see any hitchhikers. Don't know anybody would have tried that. Heat
index around here can get to 110 in high humidity and once you get past
where I live, there's a lot of miles of nothing to get through before the
next city...
So the criticism that the poor should have just hitchhiked (or walked)
out was incredibly stupid.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Who called whom... |
09 Sep 2005 01:24:39 PM |
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In <433afbbb.103650640@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 19:49:27 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <4334cc72.91545671@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:10 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <11i14tn2hrf9517@corp.supernews.com>, WCB
<wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:30:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Here it is. I remember this happening but I just now ran across a
story about it. There are people that want to claim Bush was behind
the mandatory evacuation (trying to make Blanco and Nagin look like
incompetents despite the fact they--and other local officials--were
doing all the work while Bush was on vacation).
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml
"On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina
that he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the
mayor of New Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of
Katrina during a video conference call to President Bush at his
ranch in Crawford, Texas."
Max Mayfield was the one who caused Blanco, Nagin, and Brussard to
push even harder in the *already in progress* evacuation. Bush's
entire contribution was to call Blanco and say "you should get those
people out of there." Oh my, that was helpful. No actual offer of
help in evacuating, just a "you should do something or other."
Of course, at the time, Bush still didn't know where New Orleans
*was...
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
Kind of a nasty phone call for Bush to make, after denying NO any
money to evacuate.
When was that? Geeze, we need a timeline here. This is getting
confusing, especially with the Bush lying and spinning going on.
Well...
Friday before landfall:
Blanco (believing she was getting ahead of things) filed the state of
emergency paperwork and requested a declaration from the President.
Bush declared a state of emergency in the wrong parishes.
Katrina was headed for Florida though everybody was watching it because
those beasts can turn on you (as it were). So the state was getting
ready.
Saturday before landfall:
We all get up to find Katrina had changed her mind suddenly and the
track had "jumped" (as they were putting it on the news) to aim
squarely at us. She's still not *that big so people are urged to
prepare (and urged repeatedly). State and local officials meet to
decide on evacuations.
Low lying parishes (first under the new plan and most likely to be hurt
even from a rather mild hurricane) start evacuating.
As we're all rushing to Home Depot and the stores to get plywood and
supplies, Katrina is getting bigger and evacuation orders start moving
west. Everybody is startled at how well traffic is flowing under the
new plan. As I recall, it was about 4pm Blanco activated contra-flow as
traffic picked up.
We all go to bed thinking it's going to get nasty but lots of
us--particularly in the Western side of things--are not terribly
concerned. Somewhere in there, mandatory orders pop up for the far
Southeastern areas but I forget the exact timing.
That night, Max Mayfield of the NHC calls the governors of Louisiana
and Mississippi as well as the mayor of New Orleans (Ray Nagin) to warn
them he believes this will be "the big one."
Sunday before landfall:
Mayfield briefs Bush (Sec. Chertoff and Brown were in this call I
believe).
Bush tells Blanco she should "get those people out" but doesn't help
her do so.
Mark falls off his ladder boarding up.
Nagin declares the first ever mandatory evacuation for the parish of
Orleans.
In the category of "good thing that global warming is a myth," an
unusually warm area of water off the coast starts powering Katrina up
to unheard of wind speeds. Numbers such as 180mph sustained with 220mph
gusts are tossed about.
Mark wets his drawers and hastily throws things, people, and dogs into
car.
Gas stations are running dry of gas and closing. But, fortunately, the
radio stations are keeping people updated on road conditions and gas
locations. We don't end up with masses stranded on the highways.
Contra-flow ends about 5 or 6pm marking more or less the "official end"
of the evacuation. Blanco notes that the "loading areas" are becoming
quiet, traffic across the city becoming light. Pretty much everybody
who's going to be able to get out is on the road.
The shelters of last resort open, buses run announced routes through
the city to pick people up who could not evacuate. This goes on while
officials are getting ready to pull back police, firefighters, etc. to
shelters to weather out the storm.
The city battens down.
Monday after landfall:
Bush finally finds New Orleans on a map and declares parishes on the
Gulf Coast disaster areas.
Tuesday after landfall:
Bush plays guitar.
Condi shops for shoes.
Wednesday after landfall:
Condi sees a play.
Thursday after landfall:
FEMA shows up. Sort of.
Out of curiosity Mark,
Did you have room in the car for passengers?
A Ford Escort with two people, medical supplies and two pit bulls?
(In short, no)
Did it occur to you to cruise anywhere looking for hitchhikers?
Did you see any hitchhikers?
Did you see anyone pick up hitchhikers?
Didn't see any hitchhikers. Don't know anybody would have tried that.
Heat index around here can get to 110 in high humidity and once you get
past where I live, there's a lot of miles of nothing to get through
before the next city...
So the criticism that the poor should have just hitchhiked (or walked) out
was incredibly stupid.
Breathtakingly so.
Brief history lesson then I have a doctor's appointment. All through this
mess, I kept re-injuring and straining the leg and hip I hurt when I fell
off the ladder while boarding up (I'm a klutz, I admit it <g>). I hurt
like hell.
Ivan, which missed us, was terrible for folks to the East but we derived
some benefit by having a kind of "shake down" of the evacuation plan. We
moved about a half million that time. There were problems. It was all new.
Contra-flow was new, things were not so well coordinated with the small
parishes and towns along the routes, such things.
Think about this. If our officials really did "nothing," you might well be
watching a disaster on the scale of Indonesia. Another HALF MILLION could
have been stranded in the city or on the road when Katrina hit.
I don't know *anybody--state, federal, anybody--could have dealt with
that. Deaths could be in the tens of thousands already. More people could
dead right now than were even *in the Dome. Scattered along freeways and
highways all over the place.
The defenders of the Chimp in Chief are attacking the very same people
who--flawed as they may be--may well have averted a disaster on a scale of
the tsunami. Can you *imagine if we only got out *half the population of
Orleans parish rather than 80% or so? That would have left over a quarter
of a million in the parish. Many on the roads trying to get out when the
storm struck.
If Blanco and Nagin and Brussard and such had fucked up on the scale FEMA
has done, deaths could easily be in the tens of thousands already. You'd
be seeing lines of cars of dead people all along the highways. I know,
myself, I flat would *not* have been able to get out. It took me some
eight hours to go 100 miles last time. With twice as many people trying to
leave, we probably would have just gridlocked. There were gridlocks the
state had to deal with. And did deal with. I know I was rerouted up north
and had to go some miles out of my way but I got where I was going.
Better than getting stranded on the I-10 with a handicapped individual in
the car. In the heat. With a stupid car that I should have put in the shop
before the storm but didn't know I was going to have to make a "run for
it" all of the sudden.
But part of the lesson from Ivan was they hammered into everyone's heads
that they could NOT do this "Muffy'll drive the SUV, Biff will drive the
Hummer, I'll be in..." people did last time. This time--though there were
still assholes who pulled that kind of stunt--a lot of us were in sardine
cans with wheels. All the officials were chanting repeatedly at us "grab a
neighbor, grab an elderly person, grab *anybody if you have *any room."
People did.
You know, I'm tired of all this. In 9/11, New York lost a few buildings
and about 3,000 people. Horrible, yeah. But it's been treated like a
religious icon. If you'd said something about Rudy whozit up there during
that disaster, people would have drug you out in the streets and beat you
as a "terrorist" or something. It's like *they are holy and we all have to
bow towards New York five times a day.
But you can trash Blanco and Nagin and our officials with glee. ***** in
our faces, spit on us. We lost AN ENTIRE FUCKING CITY. And our deaths will
likely *start at three or so times what 9/11 saw.
I no longer even feel part of this country. It's like we're some kind of
backwater territory the US owns. We're just supposed to crap out oil, gas,
and tote barges and bails at the ports. But need something? How uppity!
Can't get good help these days!
I find myself wishing all the refineries had been destroyed in the storm
and the deep water port devastated so I could watch gas climb to 6, 7, 8
dollars a gallon. I'd suffer badly. But at least the assholes spitting on
us would be sitting in the dark, starving right along with us...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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