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20 Oct 2005 11:16:41 AM |
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OT: Winning the hearts and minds... |
U.S., Afghans Probe Alleged Desecration By DANIEL COONEY, Associated
Press Writer
1 hour, 33 minutes ago
The U.S. military and the Afghan government said Thursday they will
investigate a TV report that claimed U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan
burned the bodies of two Taliban fighters and taunted other Islamic
militants. The U.S. military said such abuse would be "repugnant."
A spokesman for President Hamid Karzai said the government has launched
its own inquiry.
"We strongly condemn any disrespect to human bodies regardless of
whether they are those of enemies or friends," said Karzai spokesman
Karim Rahimi.
Australia's SBS television network broadcast video that purportedly
showed U.S. soldiers burning the bodies of the suspected Taliban
fighters in the hills outside the southern village of Gonbaz, near the
former Taliban stronghold of Kandahar.
The network said the video was taken by a freelance journalist, Stephen
Dupont, who told The Associated Press he was embedded with the Army's
173rd Airborne Brigade earlier this month. Dupont said the burnings
happened Oct. 1.
In the video, which was seen by the AP, two soldiers who spoke with
American accents later broadcast taunting messages that the SBS said
targeted the village, which was believed to be harboring Taliban
soldiers.
Dupont said the soldiers responsible for the loudspeaker broadcasts
were part of a U.S. Army psychological operations unit.
The U.S. military said the Army Criminal Investigation Division had
opened an investigation into alleged misconduct that included "the
burning of dead enemy combatant bodies under inappropriate
circumstances."
"This alleged action is repugnant to our common values," Maj. Gen.
Jason Kamiya said in a statement from the U.S. base in Bagram,
Afghanistan. "This command takes all allegations of misconduct or
inappropriate behavior seriously and has directed an investigation into
circumstances surrounding this allegation."
Islamic clerics warned protests may break out, though there was no sign
of unrest by Thursday afternoon. The last anti-American riots were in
May and killed 15 people.
"This is against Islam. Afghans will be shocked by this news. It is so
humiliating," said Faiz Mohammed, a Muslim leader. "There are very,
very dangerous consequences from this. People will be very angry."
Gen. Mohammed Zahir Azimi, spokesman for the Afghan Defense Ministry,
said those responsible must be punished.
Police in Shah Wali Kot district, where Gonbaz village is located, said
hundreds of Taliban rebels are believed to be hiding in camps in the
mountainous region.
"It is a near certainty that the Taliban will ambush vehicles in this
area," said Abaidullah Khan, the district police chief. "We only go
there with American forces. It's not safe otherwise."
According to a transcript of the television program, the broadcast by
soldiers from the psychological operations unit called the Taliban
"cowardly dogs."
"You allowed your fighters to be laid down facing west and burned. You
are too scared to come down and retrieve their bodies," said one
message, according to the transcript.
Muslims in Afghanistan face west, toward Mecca, when they pray. When
the dead are buried, their heads point to the north, their feet to the
south, and just their faces toward Mecca.
Cremation of bodies is not part of Islamic tradition, which calls for
remains to be washed, prayed over, wrapped in white cloth and buried
within 24 hours.
The video did not show the messages being broadcast, though it did show
some military vehicles were fitted with speakers and playing loud
music.
Dupont told the AP the messages had been broadcast in the local dialect
but were translated into English for him by members of the Army
psychological operations unit.
He declined to provide further information.
Dupont said the soldiers who burned the bodies said they did so for
hygiene reasons. However, Dupont said the incendiary messages later
broadcast by the U.S. army psychological operations unit indicated they
were aware that the cremation would be perceived as a desecration.
"They used that as a psychological warfare, I guess you'd call it. They
used the fact that the Taliban were burned facing west (toward Mecca),"
Dupont told SBS. "They deliberately wanted to incite that much anger
from the Taliban so the Taliban could attack them. ... That's the only
way they can find them."
The SBS report suggested the deliberate burning of bodies could violate
the Geneva Conventions governing the treatment of enemy remains in
wartime. Under the Geneva Conventions, soldiers must ensure that the
"dead are honorably interred, if possible according to the rites of the
religion to which they belonged."
Furthermore, the rules state that bodies should not be cremated,
"except for imperative reasons of hygiene or for motives based on the
religion of the deceased."
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Associated Press reporters Meraiah Foley and Mike Corder in Sydney and
Amir Shah in Kabul and Noor Khan in Kandahar contributed to this
report.
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| Title: Re: OT: Winning the hearts and minds... |
20 Oct 2005 02:41:46 PM |
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A perfect example of why Lefties will NEVER be able to conduct a War
and Defend America from Anything........Lefties worry more about
disposal of Bodies and the "feelings" of the Enemy than they do about
Winning the War........No wonder the Bastards LOST Vietnam.........
Andres64 wrote:
U.S., Afghans Probe Alleged Desecration By DANIEL COONEY, Associated
Press Writer
1 hour, 33 minutes ago
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Winning the hearts and minds... |
20 Oct 2005 07:33:40 PM |
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wrote in news:1129837306.955584.112720
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
A perfect example of why Lefties will NEVER be able to conduct a War
and Defend America from Anything........Lefties worry more about
disposal of Bodies and the "feelings" of the Enemy than they do about
Winning the War........No wonder the Bastards LOST Vietnam.........
History's obviously not your first language; shut yer fuckin' gob until you
actually know what you're talking about, you ignorant peckerwood.
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Brought to you by...
The Catholic Church. No, we don't like gays.
But if you're a pedo, you're PRIEST material!!
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| User: "Sr. Rojo" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Winning the hearts and minds... |
20 Oct 2005 07:46:32 PM |
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In article <Xns96F5C757BF9DFaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
theloneranger100@aol.com wrote in news:1129837306.955584.112720
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
A perfect example of why Lefties will NEVER be able to conduct a War
and Defend America from Anything........Lefties worry more about
disposal of Bodies and the "feelings" of the Enemy than they do about
Winning the War........No wonder the Bastards LOST Vietnam.........
History's obviously not your first language; shut yer fuckin' gob until you
actually know what you're talking about, you ignorant peckerwood.
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Brought to you by...
The Catholic Church. No, we don't like gays.
But if you're a pedo, you're PRIEST material!!
L'il Jak never knows anything about the topics he writes or speaks about.
Cheers,
Sr. Rojo
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'Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house - he's lost his entire house -
there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting
on the porch.''
--GeeDubya (Mobile, AL)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Winning the hearts and minds... |
20 Oct 2005 11:01:09 PM |
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Nothing like a little TRUTH to bring out the REAL Leftist
Pukes.......Nixon campaigned on withdrawing troops from Vietnam,
Morons......I know 'cuz I
VOTED for him.......Kids..........Heehee........Go dry behind yer
Ears..........Punks........
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Winning the hearts and minds... |
20 Oct 2005 04:59:01 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting
the following on 20 Oct 2005 12:41:46 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
A perfect example of why Lefties will NEVER be able to conduct a War
and Defend America from Anything........Lefties worry more about
disposal of Bodies and the "feelings" of the Enemy than they do about
Winning the War........No wonder the Bastards LOST Vietnam.........
Richard Nixon was a leftie?
Here's a little clue, dimwit, from someone who trained in this type of
combat. Pissing off the enemy with this sort of stupid act is not
smart. It only makes them determined to do something to get back at
the people who performed the act.
In Gulf War I, we took close to a million prisoners because of our
reputation for treating prisoners well and fairly.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Winning the hearts and minds... |
20 Oct 2005 05:54:44 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:59:01 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and posting
the following on 20 Oct 2005 12:41:46 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
A perfect example of why Lefties will NEVER be able to conduct a War
and Defend America from Anything........Lefties worry more about
disposal of Bodies and the "feelings" of the Enemy than they do about
Winning the War........No wonder the Bastards LOST Vietnam.........
Richard Nixon was a leftie?
Here's a little clue, dimwit, from someone who trained in this type of
combat. Pissing off the enemy with this sort of stupid act is not
smart. It only makes them determined to do something to get back at
the people who performed the act.
In Gulf War I, we took close to a million prisoners because of our
reputation for treating prisoners well and fairly.
The biggest reason the allies (mostly US) won the the battle of the
bulge in WW2 was because the Germans murdered prisoners. This was the
last great battle of the war and a turning point.
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| User: "Jos Flachs - skip the aa" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Winning the hearts and minds... |
21 Oct 2005 07:26:12 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:54:44 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:59:01 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and posting
the following on 20 Oct 2005 12:41:46 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
A perfect example of why Lefties will NEVER be able to conduct a War
and Defend America from Anything........Lefties worry more about
disposal of Bodies and the "feelings" of the Enemy than they do about
Winning the War........No wonder the Bastards LOST Vietnam.........
Richard Nixon was a leftie?
He lost. That makes him a leftie, I guess.
Here's a little clue, dimwit, from someone who trained in this type of
combat. Pissing off the enemy with this sort of stupid act is not
smart. It only makes them determined to do something to get back at
the people who performed the act.
In Gulf War I, we took close to a million prisoners because of our
reputation for treating prisoners well and fairly.
The biggest reason the allies (mostly US) won the the battle of the
bulge in WW2 was because the Germans murdered prisoners. This was the
last great battle of the war and a turning point.
Bovine feaces. That war could have been over, but was seriously
prolonged by the fire storm bombardments organised by Bomber Harris.
He showed the German population they had nothing to gain and
everything to loose from surrendering.
The battle of the bulge was a last ditch effort, nothing more that
that. It is highly doubtful if the Germans could have won that one.
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