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"Gary Bohn" |
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15 Jun 2004 11:11:22 PM |
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OT:I can't believe this is legal. |
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
I was looking for papers from authors mentioned in a 'SunRider'
newsletter I read today and ran across an amazing website (see below).
BTW SunRider is a group of 'holistic' based food suppliments that claim
to improve health through extensive use of herbs and 'whole foods'. It's
also a 'network marketing' scam (my opinion) that has infected dozens of
previously intelligent people I have known for years.
The science in the paper is laughable at best. It seems that the hate of
science from the religious right has gone from the push for non-science
in school to the vital area of health. I think these idiots are more
dangerous than first thought.
When I first read this I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I did a
little of both.
www.thehealthcrusader.com/pgs/archives/article_2003_02_25_3125.shtml
Here's a quote:
/***********************************************/
What In the Cell Is Going On?
The Battle For Health Is Over pH
Author:Gary Tunsky
Source:Crusador Special Report
"Violating God's Principles Of Health
We blindly accept as fact the medical profession's teaching as to why we
get sick. Then we accept their drugs, chemotherapy, radiation and
surgery as the only means of treating the sickness, which makes us
sicker, exhausts our savings and slowly kills us, yet we never question
the validity of their teachings. We violate God's principles by what we
feed our bodies and minds, and then when they break down we violate
God's principles again as we attempt to get well. The physician cuts out
the body part, poisons the temple with a prescription drug, or uses
chemotherapy or radiation. Re-establishing health to the patient is the
only way to reverse disease. So what is defiling our temple bodies? The
simple answer is any substance that is not part of the structure of the
human body.
The Chemistry Of God's Temple
Let's look at the sixth-day creation that characterizes what this
biochemical machine is made of: "And the LORD God formed man of the Dust
of the Ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and
man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7) To verify the scriptures in
scientific findings, you can examine a decomposed body buried in the
soil for decades. You will find the remains truly are that of the dust
of the ground (soil based elements). So here we have a book written
thousands of years ago telling us that the building materials of man are
derived from the elements contained in the earth and atmosphere. Science
has only recently discovered through lab analysis and graphite furnace
what the Bible has been telling us for millenniums.
It is clear that man is made up of primarily airborne elements 96%
(breath of life): (oxygen, carbon, nitrogen and hydrogen), while the
remaining elements, about 4%, come from the earth (dust of the ground):
(potassium, magnesium, calcium, silver, copper, gold, etc.) The Bible
repeatedly confirms that God used these building materials from the
mineral kingdom and atmosphere in making man, and these same alkaline
elements are necessary for maintaining blood, tissue and cell
alkalinity. If we analyze the molecular structure of all proteins, they
are a combination of oxygen, carbon, nitrogen and hydrogen.
Carbohydrates are carbon/hydrate, meaning carbon plus a water molecule.
Fats, triglycerides and vitamins are also carbon, hydrogen and oxygen
combinations. So in short, sickness and disease are simply our
beautiful, God-created bodies reacting to the foreign things to which we
are exposing them to. We do this through breathing, eating, drinking and
bathing in acidic toxic substances that damage the cells and immune
system over time.
The Simplicity Of God's Creation
Our God is a God of simplicity, not complexity. If anything in this
world is built on confusion, chaos and mystery, it is not of the LORD ,
it is of the evil one. What do you think the medical profession is built
on? Confusion, chaos and mystery!!! They get you to believe that there
are 10,001 different diseases that need outside intervention. They
intervene through drugs and surgery for economic reasons when there is
only one disease - a disease condition in which the patient has a weak
organ or system. This article is based on the simplicity of reversing
all disease processes by stimulating the built-in, self-healing
auto-genic system by changing body pH naturally. We are doing it God's
way as opposed to man's way, which is acidic, short-lived and
destructive
The Bible says in Romans 12:2 "Be not conformed to this world," and yet
in their ignorance, the average person has conformed to this world in
almost every area that deals with the physical body. In disobedience and
laziness, we are now paying an extremely heavy penalty as millions
suffer and are afflicted with a record number of health ailments. We
would be wise to turn back to God and follow the simple prescription for
health that He outlined for us in the scriptures. "If thou wilt
diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and will do that
which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and
keep all his statutes, I will put none of the diseases upon thee, which
I have brought upon the Egyptians: FOR I AM THE LORD THAT HEALETH THEE."
(Exodus 15:26)
Pasteur's Germ Theory Of Disease Was Mistaken Science
The adoption by science of Louis Pasteur's Germ Theory Of Disease as the
whole truth (that germs and pathogens are the direct cause of most
disease) without regard to the revelations of Antoine Bechamp's
microzymian principle (that the acidic condition of the patient's
cellular environment creates disease), marks one of the most
controversial turns of events in modern history. This article will prove
beyond a shadow of a doubt that modern orthodox microbial medicine arose
upon scientific error on the "kill mode" mindset. Kill the bacteria,
kill the virus, kill the fungus and kill the tumor (with the slow
killing of the patient). This mindset has played a major role in the
promotion of illness by creating resistant strains of bacteria and by
suppressing symptoms, not by the reversal of illness.
The political assassination of Antoine Bechamp has meant untold misery
and suffering for the human race by allowing surgical, pharmaceutical,
and vaccine research development to dominate mainstream medicine. Even
Pasteur himself cried out on his deathbed that Claude Bernard (a leading
cellular physiologist) was right on target. That is that the germs are
nothing, and cellular terrain is everything. It is immoral that Pasteur,
knowing that Antoine Bechamp was right, never gave credit where credit
was due (Bechamp's discoveries of pleomorphism and microzymas). It was
not Pasteur's Germ Theory of monomorphism. The most profound discovery
of the late 19th and early 20th century, with the exception of the
incredible inventions of Nikola Tesla, was Bechamp's early research
uncovering tiny living ferments which he named microzymas
(micro-enzymes). These are better known to Gunther Enderlein, a top
German scientist, as protits."
<NOTE>
protits sounds like a new improved version of George Carlin's Tater Tits.
<\NOTE>
"Germs Can't Be Destroyed -They Can Only Change Forms
According to Bechamp, it's not the bacteria or the viruses themselves
that produce the disease. It is the chemical by-products and
constituents of pleomorphic microorganisms enacting upon the unbalanced,
malfunctioning cell metabolism and dead tissue that actually produces
disease. If the body's cellular metabolism and pH is perfectly balanced
or stable, susceptibility to illness or disease cannot exist. So in
other words, disease-associated microorganisms do not originally produce
a disease condition any more than a vulture produces a dead rabbit or
rats produce garbage. The diseased, acidic, low-oxygen cellular
environment was created by a toxic diet, toxic environmental exposures
and a toxic lifestyle. This supports the morbid changes of germs to
bacteria, bacteria to viruses, viruses to fungal forms and fungal forms
to cancer cells in the body. This classical error of referring to
symptoms as the disease is perpetrated to this day in all medical
schools, trickled down from the professors (whose bread is buttered by
the pharmaceutical industry) to all medical students, with the intent of
brainwashing the young, up-and-coming physicians to a "kill mode"
mindset, and to be legal script writers and butchers for the
pharmaceutical industry who perform unnecessary surgical procedures."
/****************************************************/
I'd love to list all the errors in the entire paper but I'm too angry
right now to even think about it. I may try later.
Is there anybody I could forward this to that may be interested?
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Pubba, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation Gary Bohn
(Previously known as Pan Paniscus)
Conservatism is not about tradition and morality, hasn't been for many
decades...It is about the putative biological and spiritual superiority
of the wealthy. Greg Bear
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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16 Jun 2004 06:00:42 AM |
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Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in message news:<Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>...
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
I was looking for papers from authors mentioned in a 'SunRider'
newsletter I read today and ran across an amazing website (see below).
BTW SunRider is a group of 'holistic' based food suppliments that claim
to improve health through extensive use of herbs and 'whole foods'. It's
also a 'network marketing' scam (my opinion) that has infected dozens of
previously intelligent people I have known for years.
The science in the paper is laughable at best. It seems that the hate of
science from the religious right has gone from the push for non-science
in school to the vital area of health. I think these idiots are more
dangerous than first thought.
When I first read this I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I did a
little of both.
www.thehealthcrusader.com/pgs/archives/article_2003_02_25_3125.shtml
<snip>
Yes, I've heard about these assholes. They sell pseudoscientific
bogus health products to gullible people who don't know any better.
I'm not sure about this particular site, but there are cases of people
who have *died* from believing these types of claims instead of
getting real help from real doctors.
Creationists are just stupid. Creationist authors take gullible
people for their money. But these bastards will *kill* people just to
make a few bucks off of them.
I'd love to list all the errors in the entire paper but I'm too angry
right now to even think about it. I may try later.
Is there anybody I could forward this to that may be interested?
Dunno, but if I'm not mistaken, what they do isn't technically
illegal.
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| User: "Lieutenant Kizhe Katson" |
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16 Jun 2004 01:58:06 PM |
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(VoiceOfReason) wrote in message news:<78e3ae70.0406160301.1cd5cd28@posting.google.com>...
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in message news:<Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>...
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
I was looking for papers from authors mentioned in a 'SunRider'
newsletter I read today and ran across an amazing website (see below).
BTW SunRider is a group of 'holistic' based food suppliments that claim
to improve health through extensive use of herbs and 'whole foods'. It's
also a 'network marketing' scam (my opinion) that has infected dozens of
previously intelligent people I have known for years.
The science in the paper is laughable at best. It seems that the hate of
science from the religious right has gone from the push for non-science
in school to the vital area of health. I think these idiots are more
dangerous than first thought.
When I first read this I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I did a
little of both.
www.thehealthcrusader.com/pgs/archives/article_2003_02_25_3125.shtml
Gotta love the ending:
"In summary, God's people need to be aware of Satan's land mines of
acid-forming substances, which are contaminating our blood, tissues
and cells creating or causing all physical disease."
There you have it: Satan is contaminating our Precious Bodily Fluids!
More proof that, when it comes to comedy, Nature is forever
out-looning Art ;-).
<snip>
Yes, I've heard about these assholes. They sell pseudoscientific
bogus health products to gullible people who don't know any better.
I'm not sure about this particular site, but there are cases of people
who have *died* from believing these types of claims instead of
getting real help from real doctors.
Creationists are just stupid. Creationist authors take gullible
people for their money. But these bastards will *kill* people just to
make a few bucks off of them.
I'd love to list all the errors in the entire paper but I'm too angry
right now to even think about it. I may try later.
Is there anybody I could forward this to that may be interested?
Dunno, but if I'm not mistaken, what they do isn't technically
illegal.
I don't know about this particular bunch o' kooks[1], but it depends
on the details of what they claim, and what jurisdiction they're
operating in. For eg. I'm pretty sure that selling products
advertised as "Will Cure $CONDITION", when it doesn't, is illegal
pretty much everywhere civilized. I think giving medical advice and
administering therapies for a fee can get you charged with practicing
medicine without a license (although naturopaths, homeopaths, chiros
and other borderline-to-quack doctors seem to be allowed by law).
-- Kizhé
[1] Is there a term of venery for these sorts of folk? An Asylum of
Kooks? A Rube Goldberg (or Heath Robinson, for Brits) Machine of
Cranks? A Pondful of Quacks?
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| User: "Stanley Friesen" |
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16 Jun 2004 09:08:12 AM |
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(VoiceOfReason) wrote:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in message news:<Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>...
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
I was looking for papers from authors mentioned in a 'SunRider'
newsletter I read today and ran across an amazing website (see below).
BTW SunRider is a group of 'holistic' based food suppliments that claim
to improve health through extensive use of herbs and 'whole foods'. It's
also a 'network marketing' scam (my opinion) that has infected dozens of
previously intelligent people I have known for years.
The science in the paper is laughable at best. It seems that the hate of
science from the religious right has gone from the push for non-science
in school to the vital area of health. I think these idiots are more
dangerous than first thought.
When I first read this I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I did a
little of both.
www.thehealthcrusader.com/pgs/archives/article_2003_02_25_3125.shtml
<snip>
Yes, I've heard about these assholes. They sell pseudoscientific
bogus health products to gullible people who don't know any better.
I'm not sure about this particular site, but there are cases of people
who have *died* from believing these types of claims instead of
getting real help from real doctors.
Creationists are just stupid. Creationist authors take gullible
people for their money. But these bastards will *kill* people just to
make a few bucks off of them.
I'd love to list all the errors in the entire paper but I'm too angry
right now to even think about it. I may try later.
Is there anybody I could forward this to that may be interested?
Dunno, but if I'm not mistaken, what they do isn't technically
illegal.
Is not denying proper medical treatment to children considered child
abuse and due cause for removal of a child from a parent's care? [I
seem to remember a case of that sort involving Christian Science
cultists].
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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16 Jun 2004 10:07:14 AM |
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Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:v4l0d09escudv71njdj0k21f861n4sgdqa@4ax.com:
papa_fox@cybertown.com (VoiceOfReason) wrote:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:<Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>...
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a
few months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the
conclusion that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest,
but what I found in a search for something else should be illegal.
The basic idea is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance
does and that all of our science that is based on Pasteur's research
is wrong and against god. The author is recommending that people not
use western medicine to treat their illness.
I was looking for papers from authors mentioned in a 'SunRider'
newsletter I read today and ran across an amazing website (see
below). BTW SunRider is a group of 'holistic' based food suppliments
that claim to improve health through extensive use of herbs and
'whole foods'. It's also a 'network marketing' scam (my opinion)
that has infected dozens of previously intelligent people I have
known for years.
The science in the paper is laughable at best. It seems that the
hate of science from the religious right has gone from the push for
non-science in school to the vital area of health. I think these
idiots are more dangerous than first thought.
When I first read this I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I
did a little of both.
www.thehealthcrusader.com/pgs/archives/article_2003_02_25_3125.shtml
<snip>
Yes, I've heard about these assholes. They sell pseudoscientific
bogus health products to gullible people who don't know any better.
I'm not sure about this particular site, but there are cases of people
who have *died* from believing these types of claims instead of
getting real help from real doctors.
Creationists are just stupid. Creationist authors take gullible
people for their money. But these bastards will *kill* people just to
make a few bucks off of them.
I'd love to list all the errors in the entire paper but I'm too
angry right now to even think about it. I may try later.
Is there anybody I could forward this to that may be interested?
Dunno, but if I'm not mistaken, what they do isn't technically
illegal.
Is not denying proper medical treatment to children considered child
abuse and due cause for removal of a child from a parent's care? [I
seem to remember a case of that sort involving Christian Science
cultists].
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
That means that the parents can be charged but not the 'pushers'. This
isn't really terribly fair.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Pubba, EAC Department of Oxygen Deprivation
Gary Bohn
(Previously known as Pan Paniscus)
Conservatism is not about tradition and morality, hasn't been for many
decades...It is about the putative biological and spiritual superiority
of the wealthy.
Greg Bear
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| User: "catshark" |
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16 Jun 2004 12:51:10 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:07:14 +0000 (UTC), Gary Bohn
<garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:v4l0d09escudv71njdj0k21f861n4sgdqa@4ax.com:
papa_fox@cybertown.com (VoiceOfReason) wrote:
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:<Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>...
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a
few months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the
conclusion that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest,
but what I found in a search for something else should be illegal.
The basic idea is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance
does and that all of our science that is based on Pasteur's research
is wrong and against god. The author is recommending that people not
use western medicine to treat their illness.
I was looking for papers from authors mentioned in a 'SunRider'
newsletter I read today and ran across an amazing website (see
below). BTW SunRider is a group of 'holistic' based food suppliments
that claim to improve health through extensive use of herbs and
'whole foods'. It's also a 'network marketing' scam (my opinion)
that has infected dozens of previously intelligent people I have
known for years.
The science in the paper is laughable at best. It seems that the
hate of science from the religious right has gone from the push for
non-science in school to the vital area of health. I think these
idiots are more dangerous than first thought.
When I first read this I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I
did a little of both.
www.thehealthcrusader.com/pgs/archives/article_2003_02_25_3125.shtml
<snip>
Yes, I've heard about these assholes. They sell pseudoscientific
bogus health products to gullible people who don't know any better.
I'm not sure about this particular site, but there are cases of people
who have *died* from believing these types of claims instead of
getting real help from real doctors.
Creationists are just stupid. Creationist authors take gullible
people for their money. But these bastards will *kill* people just to
make a few bucks off of them.
I'd love to list all the errors in the entire paper but I'm too
angry right now to even think about it. I may try later.
Is there anybody I could forward this to that may be interested?
Dunno, but if I'm not mistaken, what they do isn't technically
illegal.
Is not denying proper medical treatment to children considered child
abuse and due cause for removal of a child from a parent's care? [I
seem to remember a case of that sort involving Christian Science
cultists].
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
That means that the parents can be charged but not the 'pushers'. This
isn't really terribly fair.
You're in Canada, right? Unfortunately, I know bupkis about Canadian law.
The most potent weapons against people like these in the U.S. are the
various "truth in advertising" laws. But that only applies to claims of
efficacy of their products that they may make. Spouting drivel about the
germ theory of disease is Constitutionally protected speech here,
especially when it is tied to religious "doctrine". It is difficult even
to get Christian Scientist parents for neglect and requires (IIRC) that
there be a showing that the parents *realized* that the CS treatment wasn't
working and that they *knew* they should seek traditional care (i.e. that
they themselves had doubts about CS).
As to the "pushers", if it could be shown that their products were useless
or harmful, that they knew (or should have known) that, *and* that the
claims/products lead *directly* to someone's death (a *big* if), it might
be possible to charge them with some version of negligent homicide. It is
not something that most DAs are going to want to get involved in, unless
there is some major public health problem (i.e. a *lot* of people using the
products) sufficient to overcome any perceived religious freedom issues.
One possible thing to do is to complain to whatever the Canadian equivalent
of the Food and Drug Administration is. It might not do much right away
but if enough people complain . . .
---------------
J. Pieret
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LAWYER, n.
One skilled in circumvention of the law.
- Ambrose Bierce -
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| User: "Ken Shaw" |
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16 Jun 2004 11:22:43 PM |
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Gary Bohn wrote:
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
I was looking for papers from authors mentioned in a 'SunRider'
newsletter I read today and ran across an amazing website (see below).
BTW SunRider is a group of 'holistic' based food suppliments that claim
to improve health through extensive use of herbs and 'whole foods'. It's
also a 'network marketing' scam (my opinion) that has infected dozens of
previously intelligent people I have known for years.
The science in the paper is laughable at best. It seems that the hate of
science from the religious right has gone from the push for non-science
in school to the vital area of health. I think these idiots are more
dangerous than first thought.
When I first read this I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I did a
little of both.
www.thehealthcrusader.com/pgs/archives/article_2003_02_25_3125.shtml
<snip>
What I recommend is that you smile and nod when the adults involved in
this want to talk to you about it. You should make a special effort to
see each minor in the control of these people several times a week. If
any of them begin showing signs of a serious decline in health contact
the authorities.
Ken
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| User: "Patrick James" |
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16 Jun 2004 12:10:50 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote
(in article <Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead. So they
die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few points.
Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_ what they want.
--
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: OT:I can't believe this is legal. |
16 Jun 2004 01:38:17 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:10:50 +0000 (UTC), Patrick James
<patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote
(in article <Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead. So they
die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few points.
Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_ what they want.
Well only if they don't breed before they die.
In my experience idiots have no trouble breeding.
In fact they tend to do it without thought.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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16 Jun 2004 01:50:33 AM |
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"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:6lqvc0lrel899ktkokrkquth3pssd9ucm3@4ax.com...
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:10:50 +0000 (UTC), Patrick James
<patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote
(in article <Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead. So they
die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few points.
Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_ what they want.
Well only if they don't breed before they die.
In my experience idiots have no trouble breeding.
In fact they tend to do it without thought.
Pretty much the way they do everything else.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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16 Jun 2004 08:25:39 AM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:KZRzc.44271$Oa7.22924@fe1.columbus.rr.com:
"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:6lqvc0lrel899ktkokrkquth3pssd9ucm3@4ax.com...
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:10:50 +0000 (UTC), Patrick James
<patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote
(in article <Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After
a few months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the
conclusion that many creationists are a bit backward and
dishonest, but what I found in a search for something else should
be illegal. The basic idea is that germs don't cause disease, a PH
imbalance does and that all of our science that is based on
Pasteur's research is wrong and against god. The author is
recommending that people not use western medicine to treat their
illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead. So
they die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few
points. Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_
what they want.
Well only if they don't breed before they die.
In my experience idiots have no trouble breeding.
In fact they tend to do it without thought.
Pretty much the way they do everything else.
Sadly, they will subject their innocent kids to the same sort of medical
treatment they practice for themselves. While that might cut down on
the transmission of these cultural boondoggles, its the innocents who
suffer for it.
--
Chris
aa#2186
Black helicopter mind-control-ray door-gunner
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"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and
then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so
as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry
on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that
sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually
on a battlefield." --George Orwell, 1946, "Under Your Nose"
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16 Jun 2004 10:00:22 AM |
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Chris Thompson <cthompson@TAKEOUTbmcc.cuny.edu> wrote in
news:Xns950A5FF22FFFCerx99a24zbatTAKEOUTh@128.228.100.230:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:KZRzc.44271$Oa7.22924@fe1.columbus.rr.com:
"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:6lqvc0lrel899ktkokrkquth3pssd9ucm3@4ax.com...
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:10:50 +0000 (UTC), Patrick James
<patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote
(in article <Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After
a few months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the
conclusion that many creationists are a bit backward and
dishonest, but what I found in a search for something else should
be illegal. The basic idea is that germs don't cause disease, a
PH imbalance does and that all of our science that is based on
Pasteur's research is wrong and against god. The author is
recommending that people not use western medicine to treat their
illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead.
So they die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few
points. Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_
what they want.
Well only if they don't breed before they die.
In my experience idiots have no trouble breeding.
In fact they tend to do it without thought.
Pretty much the way they do everything else.
Sadly, they will subject their innocent kids to the same sort of
medical treatment they practice for themselves. While that might cut
down on the transmission of these cultural boondoggles, its the
innocents who suffer for it.
This is exactly how I feel about it. If an adult wants to act like an
idiot, so be it. However passing this belief along to children who look
to their parents as infallible seems pretty much like child abuse. I
think it's also my responsibilty as a friend to convince them that what
they are doing is endangering their lives. I certainly don't want to
ignore them.
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apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Pubba, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation Gary Bohn
(Previously known as Pan Paniscus)
Conservatism is not about tradition and morality, hasn't been for many
decades...It is about the putative biological and spiritual superiority
of the wealthy. Greg Bear
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16 Jun 2004 10:48:06 AM |
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Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote in
news:Xns950A5BCB87C44GaryBohn@130.133.1.4:
Chris Thompson <cthompson@TAKEOUTbmcc.cuny.edu> wrote in
news:Xns950A5FF22FFFCerx99a24zbatTAKEOUTh@128.228.100.230:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:KZRzc.44271$Oa7.22924@fe1.columbus.rr.com:
"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in
message news:6lqvc0lrel899ktkokrkquth3pssd9ucm3@4ax.com...
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:10:50 +0000 (UTC), Patrick James
<patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote
(in article <Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input.
After a few months of visiting this fine establishment I've come
to the conclusion that many creationists are a bit backward and
dishonest, but what I found in a search for something else
should be illegal. The basic idea is that germs don't cause
disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of our science that is
based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against god. The author
is recommending that people not use western medicine to treat
their illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead.
So they die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few
points. Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_
what they want.
Well only if they don't breed before they die.
In my experience idiots have no trouble breeding.
In fact they tend to do it without thought.
Pretty much the way they do everything else.
Sadly, they will subject their innocent kids to the same sort of
medical treatment they practice for themselves. While that might cut
down on the transmission of these cultural boondoggles, its the
innocents who suffer for it.
This is exactly how I feel about it. If an adult wants to act like an
idiot, so be it. However passing this belief along to children who
look to their parents as infallible seems pretty much like child
abuse. I think it's also my responsibilty as a friend to convince them
that what they are doing is endangering their lives. I certainly don't
want to ignore them.
I wish you luck, especially if these are friends. There have been court
cases, IIRC, having to do with treatment of minors based on religious
grounds. Some allowed compulsory treatments of minors for
life-threatening illnesses, others barred it. Certainly the kid
deserves a chance to grow up and decide for him/herself whether to be a
dead kook.
--
Chris
aa#2186
Black helicopter mind-control-ray door-gunner
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"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and
then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so
as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry
on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that
sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually
on a battlefield." --George Orwell, 1946, "Under Your Nose"
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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16 Jun 2004 08:31:36 PM |
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I wish you luck, especially if these are friends. There have been court
cases, IIRC, having to do with treatment of minors based on religious
grounds. Some allowed compulsory treatments of minors for
life-threatening illnesses, others barred it. Certainly the kid
deserves a chance to grow up and decide for him/herself whether to be a
dead kook.
They don't see it as a "choice" but a life or death matter for the soul.
It isn't like growing up to choose a political party, or whether you
like Toyotas or Hondas, spicy or mild.
Apocryphals don't believe that there is any choice but their religion
and a false religion (which is all the others.)
I was surprised to learn that there are still many Catholics with this
veiw; since the sacraments are the only means to gain grace, protestants
are barred from their heaven (although they do offer the purgatory
alternative.)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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16 Jun 2004 10:07:23 PM |
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"Pithecanthropus Erectus" <tuibguy1creationists@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:Mw6Ac.7576$Wr.4128@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
I wish you luck, especially if these are friends. There have been court
cases, IIRC, having to do with treatment of minors based on religious
grounds. Some allowed compulsory treatments of minors for
life-threatening illnesses, others barred it. Certainly the kid
deserves a chance to grow up and decide for him/herself whether to be a
dead kook.
They don't see it as a "choice" but a life or death matter for the soul.
It isn't like growing up to choose a political party, or whether you
like Toyotas or Hondas, spicy or mild.
Apocryphals don't believe that there is any choice but their religion
and a false religion (which is all the others.)
I was surprised to learn that there are still many Catholics with this
veiw; since the sacraments are the only means to gain grace, protestants
are barred from their heaven (although they do offer the purgatory
alternative.)
I was taught in the 40's and I assume the doctrine is older than that, that
the RCC is the One True Church. It was a sin then to even go to another
persons church, but they could come to ours of course.
This did not mean that they would not go to heaven.
A good life, and love of god or fear of going to hell would get you in the
door.
I got this from the Jesuits also in the 50's and they tend to be very
knowledgeable of church doctrine.
I have no doubt that the parish priests and many of the nun's subscribed to
the idea of be a Catholic or go to hell. They learn by rote for the most
part.
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| User: "Stanley Friesen" |
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16 Jun 2004 09:06:13 AM |
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Patrick James <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote
(in article <Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead. So they
die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few points.
Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_ what they want.
My problem with this is that they will be mostly killing young children,
too young to have made their own choices yet. Stupidity that brings
about one's own death is one thing, causing innocent children to die is
quite another.
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Jun 2004 11:55:50 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:39:35 +0000 (UTC), "Daniel Harper"
<daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:06:13 +0000, Stanley Friesen wrote:
Patrick James <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote (in article
<Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead. So they
die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few points.
Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_ what they want.
My problem with this is that they will be mostly killing young children,
too young to have made their own choices yet. Stupidity that brings about
one's own death is one thing, causing innocent children to die is quite
another.
Another point is that at least some of the persons using these "holistic
medicines" are not really stupid, but simply ignorant of the value of
Western science and with an authority figure telling them that his or her
quackery is just as good. Intelligent people are duped every day be clever
con-men; I personally can't bring myself to blame the victims of these
types of holistic crap.
I don't know. Dialog like "It's all natural", "That means it's safe
then" should ring the alarm bells.
Poison Ivy is all natural too.
It's the guys selling the stuff, willfully taking money for treatments
that they know doesn't work, that bothers the hell out of me.
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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| User: "Apostate" |
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17 Jun 2004 03:12:01 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:55:50 +0000 (UTC), "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
alt.atheism:
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:39:35 +0000 (UTC), "Daniel Harper"
<daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote:
Another point is that at least some of the persons using these "holistic
medicines" are not really stupid, but simply ignorant of the value of
Western science and with an authority figure telling them that his or her
quackery is just as good. Intelligent people are duped every day be clever
con-men; I personally can't bring myself to blame the victims of these
types of holistic crap.
I don't know. Dialog like "It's all natural", "That means it's safe
then" should ring the alarm bells.
Poison Ivy is all natural too.
So's cyanide. Arsenic. Deadly nightshade. etc.
--
/Apostate
atheist #(e^7.5657933) I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; billions served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
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| User: "Patrick James" |
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17 Jun 2004 07:29:35 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:06:13 -0500, Stanley Friesen wrote
(in article <f0l0d0tekur7j5dh54ssn4nhahljrc5ao7@4ax.com>):
Patrick James <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote
(in article <Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead. So they
die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few points.
Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_ what they want.
My problem with this is that they will be mostly killing young children,
too young to have made their own choices yet. Stupidity that brings
about one's own death is one thing, causing innocent children to die is
quite another.
Unfortunately any move made to remove children from the likes of those twits
_will_ have undesirable side-effects. There are a few, very bad, choices:
1 engage the twits directly. This will tend to make martyrs of 'em, and may
attract new recruits, which is the last thing we want.
2 leave the twits alone but try to do something about their children. Not
only will this make martyrs of them, but unless you're very, very, VERY
careful whatever means you use to pry the children loose can be used against
_other_ unpopular minorities. Jews. Muslims. Atheists. This strikes me as a
bad idea.
3 leave them alone. This is a self-correcting problem. If they die and the
children live and are adopted by relatively sane people, good. If their
children die, not so good, but now there're a few nice clear facts to point
at to dissuade others from going down this path. Recruiting will suffer, and
as they won't be self-replacing, in a relatively short time they'll be
extinct. Tough on the children involved, but there it is.
4 do something, but wait until there's incontrovertible evidence of exactly
how whacked-out they are. Nice clear pix of children in the final stages of
assorted nutritional or other treatable diseases, but denied medical
assistance because their parents are nutbars, will do _wonders_ to discredit
those bozos, the way nothing else will. And while most prosecutors won't
bother with making a case out against the parents for following the book's
'teachings', or against the authors for sprouting utter nonsense, those
_same_ prosecutors will file 'depraved indifference homicide' charges left
and right when shown pix of dead children. Especially if shown the pix in an
election year. You sacrifice a few children who had the misfortune to be the
earliest victims in order to clean house once and for all time.
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
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Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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17 Jun 2004 11:39:35 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:06:13 +0000, Stanley Friesen wrote:
Patrick James <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote (in article
<Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a few
months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the conclusion
that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest, but what I
found in a search for something else should be illegal. The basic idea
is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance does and that all of
our science that is based on Pasteur's research is wrong and against
god. The author is recommending that people not use western medicine to
treat their illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead. So they
die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few points.
Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_ what they want.
My problem with this is that they will be mostly killing young children,
too young to have made their own choices yet. Stupidity that brings about
one's own death is one thing, causing innocent children to die is quite
another.
Another point is that at least some of the persons using these "holistic
medicines" are not really stupid, but simply ignorant of the value of
Western science and with an authority figure telling them that his or her
quackery is just as good. Intelligent people are duped every day be clever
con-men; I personally can't bring myself to blame the victims of these
types of holistic crap.
It's the guys selling the stuff, willfully taking money for treatments
that they know doesn't work, that bothers the hell out of me.
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
--
Finding a scientific theory of creation is a bit like parsing /dev/null.
--Daniel Harper
(change terra to earth for email)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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17 Jun 2004 02:26:03 PM |
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"Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.17.16.53.22.77095@terralink.net...
<snip sillyness>
Another point is that at least some of the persons using these "holistic
medicines" are not really stupid, but simply ignorant of the value of
Western science and with an authority figure telling them that his or her
quackery is just as good. Intelligent people are duped every day be clever
con-men; I personally can't bring myself to blame the victims of these
types of holistic crap.
I am insulted. I am intelligent and am never duped.
Dennis Lee told me so himself when I invested my life savings with him.
(http://www.phact.org/e/dennis.html case you don't know about Lee)
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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18 Jun 2004 12:46:20 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:26:03 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
"Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.17.16.53.22.77095@terralink.net...
<snip sillyness>
Another point is that at least some of the persons using these "holistic
medicines" are not really stupid, but simply ignorant of the value of
Western science and with an authority figure telling them that his or
her quackery is just as good. Intelligent people are duped every day be
clever con-men; I personally can't bring myself to blame the victims of
these types of holistic crap.
I am insulted. I am intelligent and am never duped. Dennis Lee told me so
himself when I invested my life savings with him.
(http://www.phact.org/e/dennis.html case you don't know about Lee)
Wow. Just freakin' bizarre.
What am I saying? I read talk.origins, don't I?
--
Finding a scientific theory of creation is a bit like parsing /dev/null.
--Daniel Harper
(change terra to earth for email)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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18 Jun 2004 07:42:53 PM |
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"Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.18.06.01.01.902994@terralink.net...
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:26:03 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
"Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.17.16.53.22.77095@terralink.net...
<snip sillyness>
Another point is that at least some of the persons using these
"holistic
medicines" are not really stupid, but simply ignorant of the value of
Western science and with an authority figure telling them that his or
her quackery is just as good. Intelligent people are duped every day be
clever con-men; I personally can't bring myself to blame the victims of
these types of holistic crap.
I am insulted. I am intelligent and am never duped. Dennis Lee told me
so
himself when I invested my life savings with him.
(http://www.phact.org/e/dennis.html case you don't know about Lee)
Wow. Just freakin' bizarre.
What am I saying? I read talk.origins, don't I?
I actually did get a post card from someone who was probably Lee or one of
his believers.
It offered a free hook-up of something to my air conditioner that would
generate enough power for my house and four or five others.
Lest they think it was a scam they said they would make their money selling
power back to the grid.
I wished later that I would have followed up on it to see if it was their
scam and how it worked or if they were True Believers.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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16 Jun 2004 10:04:56 AM |
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Stanley Friesen <sarima@friesen.net> wrote in
news:f0l0d0tekur7j5dh54ssn4nhahljrc5ao7@4ax.com:
Patrick James <patjames@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:11:22 -0500, Gary Bohn wrote
(in article <Xns9509E2105C713GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>):
This is a little off topic but I had to ask for your input. After a
few months of visiting this fine establishment I've come to the
conclusion that many creationists are a bit backward and dishonest,
but what I found in a search for something else should be illegal.
The basic idea is that germs don't cause disease, a PH imbalance
does and that all of our science that is based on Pasteur's research
is wrong and against god. The author is recommending that people not
use western medicine to treat their illness.
<snip sillyness>
So they decline to use modern medicine and use that crap instead. So
they die. This raises the average IQ of the human race by a few
points. Hallelujah. Get out of their way and let 'em do _exactly_ what
they want.
My problem with this is that they will be mostly killing young
children, too young to have made their own choices yet. Stupidity
that brings about one's own death is one thing, causing innocent
children to die is quite another.
The peace of God be with you.
Stanley Friesen
I couldn't have said it any better.
I'm generally not a violent man, but I would sincerely like to get some
of these 'mis-information pushers' alone in a room where I could show
them some of the finer pain causing techniques of Hapkido.
I'm sure their sales would drop if they couldn't type on their computers.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Pubba, EAC Department of Oxygen Deprivation
Gary Bohn
(Previously known as Pan Paniscus)
Conservatism is not about tradition and morality, hasn't been for many
decades...It is about the putative biological and spiritual superiority
of the wealthy.
Greg Bear
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:11:22 +0000 (UTC), Gary Bohn
<garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:
Is there anybody I could forward this to that may be interested?
I strongly recommend you forward it to James Randi's JREF site (The James Randi
Educational Foundation).
I'm sure he would most definitely be interested and will very likely consider
putting it on his website:
www.randi.org
His email address is:
randi@randi.org
JPG
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