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12 Mar 2005 01:43:30 PM |
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OT:Offer to save Fla. woman rejected |
Offer to save Fla. woman rejected
TAMPA, Fla. – The husband of brain-damaged Terri Schiavo yesterday
rejected a $1 million offer from a Rancho Santa Fe businessman to drop
efforts to remove her feeding tube.
Other such offers – one for $10 million – already have been made and
rejected during Michael Schiavo's legal battle for permission to stop his
wife's artificial feedings so she can die, said his attorney, George
Felos.
The woman's parents are trying to keep their 41-year-old daughter alive,
but Michael Schiavo says he once promised his wife before she suffered a
heart attack and severe brain damage 15 years ago that he would not keep
her alive by artificial means.
The San Diego Union:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B28A568AA
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Modern science has been a voyage into the unknown, with a lesson in
humility waiting at every stop. Many passengers would rather have stayed
home.
-- Carl Sagan
Now playing: Original Broadway Cast - The Thénardier Waltz of Treachery
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| User: "Woden" |
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12 Mar 2005 09:17:23 PM |
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Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9617775534A69255229@130.133.1.4:
Offer to save Fla. woman rejected
TAMPA, Fla. – The husband of brain-damaged Terri Schiavo yesterday
rejected a $1 million offer from a Rancho Santa Fe businessman to drop
efforts to remove her feeding tube.
Other such offers – one for $10 million – already have been made and
rejected during Michael Schiavo's legal battle for permission to stop
his wife's artificial feedings so she can die, said his attorney,
George Felos.
The woman's parents are trying to keep their 41-year-old daughter
alive, but Michael Schiavo says he once promised his wife before she
suffered a heart attack and severe brain damage 15 years ago that he
would not keep her alive by artificial means.
The San Diego Union:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B28A568AA
That is one sick ***** if he is willing to pay millions just to
keep one more person alive and suffering at all costs. How very xian of
him.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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12 Mar 2005 09:22:24 PM |
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Woden wrote:
Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9617775534A69255229@130.133.1.4:
Offer to save Fla. woman rejected
TAMPA, Fla. – The husband of brain-damaged Terri Schiavo yesterday
rejected a $1 million offer from a Rancho Santa Fe businessman to drop
efforts to remove her feeding tube.
Other such offers – one for $10 million – already have been made and
rejected during Michael Schiavo's legal battle for permission to stop
his wife's artificial feedings so she can die, said his attorney,
George Felos.
The woman's parents are trying to keep their 41-year-old daughter
alive, but Michael Schiavo says he once promised his wife before she
suffered a heart attack and severe brain damage 15 years ago that he
would not keep her alive by artificial means.
The San Diego Union:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B28A568AA
That is one sick ***** if he is willing to pay millions just to
keep one more person alive and suffering at all costs. How very xian of
him.
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as Christian as
they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube and let "God" do with
her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her is to let her die, who are
we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with Terri's
legal guardian in this case; Michael.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: OT:Offer to save Fla. woman rejected |
13 Mar 2005 04:26:18 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Woden wrote:
Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9617775534A69255229@130.133.1.4:
Offer to save Fla. woman rejected
TAMPA, Fla. – The husband of brain-damaged Terri Schiavo yesterday
rejected a $1 million offer from a Rancho Santa Fe businessman to drop
efforts to remove her feeding tube.
Other such offers – one for $10 million – already have been made and
rejected during Michael Schiavo's legal battle for permission to stop
his wife's artificial feedings so she can die, said his attorney,
George Felos.
The woman's parents are trying to keep their 41-year-old daughter
alive, but Michael Schiavo says he once promised his wife before she
suffered a heart attack and severe brain damage 15 years ago that he
would not keep her alive by artificial means.
The San Diego Union:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B28A568AA
That is one sick ***** if he is willing to pay millions just
to keep one more person alive and suffering at all costs. How very
xian of him.
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as Christian as
they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube and let "God" do with
her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her is to let her die, who are
we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with Terri's
legal guardian in this case; Michael.
Seems to me he doesn't give a *****.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terrydata.htm
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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13 Mar 2005 08:57:31 AM |
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Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:WqOdnZqR9pHbiKnfRVnytA@pipex.net:
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as Christian
as they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube and let "God"
do with her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her is to let her
die, who are we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with Terri's
legal guardian in this case; Michael.
Seems to me he doesn't give a *****.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terrydata.htm
Do you mean God doesn't care or the husband doesn't care?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of
the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the
Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!
-John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Jez" |
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13 Mar 2005 09:08:56 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:WqOdnZqR9pHbiKnfRVnytA@pipex.net:
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as Christian
as they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube and let "God"
do with her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her is to let her
die, who are we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with Terri's
legal guardian in this case; Michael.
Seems to me he doesn't give a *****.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terrydata.htm
Do you mean God doesn't care or the husband doesn't care?
Well, as God doesn't exist....the Husband.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: OT:Offer to save Fla. woman rejected |
13 Mar 2005 10:27:09 AM |
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Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ffKdnUB2KO8ZyqnfRVnyuw@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:WqOdnZqR9pHbiKnfRVnytA@pipex.net:
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as Christian
as they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube and let "God"
do with her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her is to let her
die, who are we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with Terri's
legal guardian in this case; Michael.
Seems to me he doesn't give a *****.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terrydata.htm
Do you mean God doesn't care or the husband doesn't care?
Well, as God doesn't exist....the Husband.
If he didn't care, wouldn't he walk away with the money? I think he's
doing what he thinks is right, what I would want my wife to do if I were
in Terri's place, what I've told her to do if I'm ever in Terri's
position.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It's easier for the eye of a rich man to pass through a camel than for a
needle to enter heaven.
-- lapel button
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| User: "Jez" |
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13 Mar 2005 10:48:38 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ffKdnUB2KO8ZyqnfRVnyuw@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:WqOdnZqR9pHbiKnfRVnytA@pipex.net:
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as Christian
as they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube and let "God"
do with her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her is to let her
die, who are we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with Terri's
legal guardian in this case; Michael.
Seems to me he doesn't give a *****.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terrydata.htm
Do you mean God doesn't care or the husband doesn't care?
Well, as God doesn't exist....the Husband.
If he didn't care, wouldn't he walk away with the money? I think he's
doing what he thinks is right, what I would want my wife to do if I were
in Terri's place, what I've told her to do if I'm ever in Terri's
position.
Well, he's shacked up with another woman, had 2 kids by her, hardly the
actions of someone devoted to his wife.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: OT:Offer to save Fla. woman rejected |
13 Mar 2005 11:01:38 AM |
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Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:r5WdnZfHodB-86nfRVnyuA@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ffKdnUB2KO8ZyqnfRVnyuw@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:WqOdnZqR9pHbiKnfRVnytA@pipex.net:
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as
Christian as they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube
and let "God" do with her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her
is to let her die, who are we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with
Terri's legal guardian in this case; Michael.
Seems to me he doesn't give a *****.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terrydata.htm
Do you mean God doesn't care or the husband doesn't care?
Well, as God doesn't exist....the Husband.
If he didn't care, wouldn't he walk away with the money? I think
he's doing what he thinks is right, what I would want my wife to do
if I were in Terri's place, what I've told her to do if I'm ever in
Terri's position.
Well, he's shacked up with another woman, had 2 kids by her, hardly
the actions of someone devoted to his wife.
His wife has been dead in every important sense for many years. Again,
if it were me brain damaged beyond all hope of recovery, beyond
sensation, perception of the world, I would not want to hang around, fed
through a tube sewn through my abdomen, a burden to my wife, a burden on
society. I would want her move on with life, leaving the dead behind.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed.
-- George Carlin, Napalm & Silly Putty (2001)
Now playing: Horizon - Neanderthal
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| User: "Jez" |
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13 Mar 2005 11:06:10 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:r5WdnZfHodB-86nfRVnyuA@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ffKdnUB2KO8ZyqnfRVnyuw@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:WqOdnZqR9pHbiKnfRVnytA@pipex.net:
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as
Christian as they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube
and let "God" do with her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her
is to let her die, who are we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with
Terri's legal guardian in this case; Michael.
Seems to me he doesn't give a *****.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terrydata.htm
Do you mean God doesn't care or the husband doesn't care?
Well, as God doesn't exist....the Husband.
If he didn't care, wouldn't he walk away with the money? I think
he's doing what he thinks is right, what I would want my wife to do
if I were in Terri's place, what I've told her to do if I'm ever in
Terri's position.
Well, he's shacked up with another woman, had 2 kids by her, hardly
the actions of someone devoted to his wife.
His wife has been dead in every important sense for many years. Again,
if it were me brain damaged beyond all hope of recovery, beyond
sensation, perception of the world, I would not want to hang around, fed
through a tube sewn through my abdomen, a burden to my wife, a burden on
society. I would want her move on with life, leaving the dead behind.
From :
http://www.rense.com/general43/diew.htm
After Terri collapsed from unknown causes in 1990, she became profoundly
cognitively disabled.
Michael filed a medical-malpractice lawsuit, during which he said he
would care for her for the rest of her life, which, assuming proper
care, would be a normal lifespan. He also presented at trial a
medical-rehabilitation expert who had developed a plan to provide
support for Terri to maximize her ability to respond to her environment.
A jury awarded $1.3 million in the malpractice case, of which $750,000
was put in trust to pay for the kind of care that Michael promised to
provide Terri.
Michael never kept his promise.
Within months of the money being deposited in the bank, Michael ordered
a do-not-resuscitate order placed on Terri's chart. He has also
repeatedly denied her other forms of medical care, such as treatment for
infections.
Once the money was in the bank, according to affidavits filed by nurses
under penalty of perjury, Michael ordered that Terri be denied stimulation.
In the mid 1990s, according to another nurse's affidavit filed under
penalty of perjury, Michael was overheard saying things such as, "When
is she going to die," "Has she died yet?" and "When is that ***** going
to die?" (This affidavit was only recently filed. Michael has not yet
filed a response.)
Michael dated after the malpractice trial; he is now engaged to be
married. He lives with his fiancé, with whom he has one child and
another on the way. He reportedly plans to marry his fiancé as soon as
his wife's death is induced.
Money that was intended to pay for Terri's treatment and rehabilitation
has instead gone to lawyers Michael retained to obtain a court order to
bring about her death.
If Terri dies, Michael will inherit what is left of the $750,000 (if any
remains) and all other property they owned.
Michael moved Terri from a nursing home to a hospice three years ago
even though Terri is not terminally ill. A hospice specializes in dying
patients and is not as equipped to provide patients like Terri with
proper care.
Judge Greer has ruled that Terri is in a persistent vegetative state
(PVS). This ruling was necessary under Florida law to allow dehydration.
Under Florida law, this means that Terri exhibits no voluntary action or
cognitive behavior of any kind and is unable to communicate or interact
purposely with the environment.
Yet, affidavits filed by nurses who cared for Terri claim that she has
responded to them, can speak, and can even swallow food. Moreover, a
picture is worth 1,000 words. Videotapes of Terri clearly show her
responding to requests. For example, a closed-eyed Terri is asked to
open her eyes by a doctor. Her eyes flutter and she does as he requests.
She is asked in another video to follow a balloon with her eyes, and she
does. In a heartbreaking video, Terri's mother kisses her on the cheek
and Terri smiles and responds, clearly happy that her mom is with her.
These and other videos can be seen by visiting www.terrisfight.org.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "" |
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13 Mar 2005 12:01:39 PM |
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Here's what the videotape in its entirety (all 4 hours, not just the 4
minutes posted online) really shows.
If anything, it suggests the parents tried to deliberately misrepresent
the videotape:
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/11/10/Tampabay/Schiavo_tapes__snippe.shtml
Jez wrote:
Videotapes of Terri clearly show her
responding to requests. For example, a closed-eyed Terri is asked to
open her eyes by a doctor. Her eyes flutter and she does as he
requests.
She is asked in another video to follow a balloon with her eyes, and
she
does. In a heartbreaking video, Terri's mother kisses her on the
cheek
and Terri smiles and responds, clearly happy that her mom is with
her.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: OT:Offer to save Fla. woman rejected |
17 Mar 2005 05:57:52 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:r5WdnZfHodB-86nfRVnyuA@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ffKdnUB2KO8ZyqnfRVnyuw@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:WqOdnZqR9pHbiKnfRVnytA@pipex.net:
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as
Christian as they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube
and let "God" do with her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her
is to let her die, who are we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with
Terri's legal guardian in this case; Michael.
Seems to me he doesn't give a *****.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terrydata.htm
Do you mean God doesn't care or the husband doesn't care?
Well, as God doesn't exist....the Husband.
If he didn't care, wouldn't he walk away with the money? I think
he's doing what he thinks is right, what I would want my wife to do
if I were in Terri's place, what I've told her to do if I'm ever in
Terri's position.
Well, he's shacked up with another woman, had 2 kids by her, hardly
the actions of someone devoted to his wife.
His wife has been dead in every important sense for many years. Again,
if it were me brain damaged beyond all hope of recovery, beyond
sensation, perception of the world, I would not want to hang around, fed
through a tube sewn through my abdomen, a burden to my wife, a burden on
society. I would want her move on with life, leaving the dead behind.
http://hyscience.typepad.com/hyscience/2005/02/michael_schiavo_1.html
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Jez" |
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17 Mar 2005 06:01:12 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:r5WdnZfHodB-86nfRVnyuA@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:ffKdnUB2KO8ZyqnfRVnyuw@pipex.net:
Enkidu wrote:
Jez <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in
news:WqOdnZqR9pHbiKnfRVnytA@pipex.net:
Personally, I believe that if the parents of Terri are as
Christian as they say they are, why not remove the feeding tube
and let "God" do with her as "He" sees fit? If "His" plan to her
is to let her die, who are we to question "God's" wishes?
Of course, I don't believe in God, so I'm going to side with
Terri's legal guardian in this case; Michael.
Seems to me he doesn't give a *****.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/terrydata.htm
Do you mean God doesn't care or the husband doesn't care?
Well, as God doesn't exist....the Husband.
If he didn't care, wouldn't he walk away with the money? I think
he's doing what he thinks is right, what I would want my wife to do
if I were in Terri's place, what I've told her to do if I'm ever in
Terri's position.
Well, he's shacked up with another woman, had 2 kids by her, hardly
the actions of someone devoted to his wife.
His wife has been dead in every important sense for many years. Again,
if it were me brain damaged beyond all hope of recovery, beyond
sensation, perception of the world, I would not want to hang around, fed
through a tube sewn through my abdomen, a burden to my wife, a burden on
society. I would want her move on with life, leaving the dead behind.
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/chuckwagon.html
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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