| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Barry OGrady" |
| Date: |
18 Dec 2004 07:36:56 AM |
| Object: |
Our father who farts in heaven |
-Barry
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Web page: http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
18 Dec 2004 03:22:12 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
19 Dec 2004 02:54:53 AM |
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In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
19 Dec 2004 09:40:11 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
19 Dec 2004 11:53:42 PM |
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In article <ubics091qgee1r3ppq901sa306pekd4ucs@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
The Molester in Chief.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
20 Dec 2004 02:53:15 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:53:42 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ubics091qgee1r3ppq901sa306pekd4ucs@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
The Molester in Chief.
Of course. As he sits in his palacial warren of millenia of plunder.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
22 Dec 2004 12:30:59 AM |
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In article <lrees0lujnuqe8bfckakq34mnhk22715su@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:53:42 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ubics091qgee1r3ppq901sa306pekd4ucs@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
The Molester in Chief.
Of course. As he sits in his palacial warren of millenia of plunder.
And dreams of the good old days when Popes had armies, could burn
heretics, and rip off the sheep by selling indulgences.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
22 Dec 2004 02:36:21 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:30:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <lrees0lujnuqe8bfckakq34mnhk22715su@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:53:42 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ubics091qgee1r3ppq901sa306pekd4ucs@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
The Molester in Chief.
Of course. As he sits in his palacial warren of millenia of plunder.
And dreams of the good old days when Popes had armies, could burn
heretics, and rip off the sheep by selling indulgences.
They've been selling indulgences since 2000.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
23 Dec 2004 12:20:00 AM |
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In article <jlmjs0p48c4c2h34becjl5r15vaihr5jqc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:30:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <lrees0lujnuqe8bfckakq34mnhk22715su@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:53:42 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ubics091qgee1r3ppq901sa306pekd4ucs@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
The Molester in Chief.
Of course. As he sits in his palacial warren of millenia of plunder.
And dreams of the good old days when Popes had armies, could burn
heretics, and rip off the sheep by selling indulgences.
They've been selling indulgences since 2000.
They've certainly indulged the pedophile priests, but I think that they
were doing that long before 2000.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
23 Dec 2004 02:12:56 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:20:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <jlmjs0p48c4c2h34becjl5r15vaihr5jqc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:30:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <lrees0lujnuqe8bfckakq34mnhk22715su@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:53:42 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ubics091qgee1r3ppq901sa306pekd4ucs@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
The Molester in Chief.
Of course. As he sits in his palacial warren of millenia of plunder.
And dreams of the good old days when Popes had armies, could burn
heretics, and rip off the sheep by selling indulgences.
They've been selling indulgences since 2000.
They've certainly indulged the pedophile priests, but I think that they
were doing that long before 2000.
It was stopped for a good period of time. About 30 years comes to
mind.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
24 Dec 2004 12:09:31 AM |
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In article <il9ms0t4qc3vse4ak6lqpup8a803uu43ej@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:20:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <jlmjs0p48c4c2h34becjl5r15vaihr5jqc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:30:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <lrees0lujnuqe8bfckakq34mnhk22715su@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:53:42 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ubics091qgee1r3ppq901sa306pekd4ucs@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
The Molester in Chief.
Of course. As he sits in his palacial warren of millenia of plunder.
And dreams of the good old days when Popes had armies, could burn
heretics, and rip off the sheep by selling indulgences.
They've been selling indulgences since 2000.
They've certainly indulged the pedophile priests, but I think that they
were doing that long before 2000.
It was stopped for a good period of time. About 30 years comes to
mind.
I'm not so sure. I think that until recent times reports of abuse were
just swept under the rug. It's only recently that people have started to
file complaints against the church and they found their way into the
media.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
24 Dec 2004 11:58:31 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:09:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <il9ms0t4qc3vse4ak6lqpup8a803uu43ej@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:20:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <jlmjs0p48c4c2h34becjl5r15vaihr5jqc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:30:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <lrees0lujnuqe8bfckakq34mnhk22715su@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:53:42 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ubics091qgee1r3ppq901sa306pekd4ucs@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
The Molester in Chief.
Of course. As he sits in his palacial warren of millenia of plunder.
And dreams of the good old days when Popes had armies, could burn
heretics, and rip off the sheep by selling indulgences.
They've been selling indulgences since 2000.
They've certainly indulged the pedophile priests, but I think that they
were doing that long before 2000.
It was stopped for a good period of time. About 30 years comes to
mind.
I'm not so sure. I think that until recent times reports of abuse were
just swept under the rug. It's only recently that people have started to
file complaints against the church and they found their way into the
media.
I was speaking of the selling of indulgences to the public.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
25 Dec 2004 12:15:58 AM |
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In article <15mos0d9t6vb04d1iofha944t11clijj5e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:09:31 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <il9ms0t4qc3vse4ak6lqpup8a803uu43ej@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:20:00 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <jlmjs0p48c4c2h34becjl5r15vaihr5jqc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:30:59 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <lrees0lujnuqe8bfckakq34mnhk22715su@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:53:42 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ubics091qgee1r3ppq901sa306pekd4ucs@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:54:53 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:
In article <7q79s0tibeg8a9k9tfpgmnphejtrqgk0pd@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:36:56 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
hallowed be his fumes
spilling into every room
bringing gloom and doom
Is that the prayer they call the Farternoster?
by Carol the papal molester
The Molester in Chief.
Of course. As he sits in his palacial warren of millenia of
plunder.
And dreams of the good old days when Popes had armies, could burn
heretics, and rip off the sheep by selling indulgences.
They've been selling indulgences since 2000.
They've certainly indulged the pedophile priests, but I think that they
were doing that long before 2000.
It was stopped for a good period of time. About 30 years comes to
mind.
I'm not so sure. I think that until recent times reports of abuse were
just swept under the rug. It's only recently that people have started to
file complaints against the church and they found their way into the
media.
I was speaking of the selling of indulgences to the public.
I believe that they stopped selling them shortly after the Reformation.
When I used to go, the church still granted indulgences, but you had to
earn them by prayer, or other futile acts of devotion.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
25 Dec 2004 11:23:10 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:15:58 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <15mos0d9t6vb04d1iofha944t11clijj5e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
I was speaking of the selling of indulgences to the public.
I believe that they stopped selling them shortly after the Reformation.
When I used to go, the church still granted indulgences, but you had to
earn them by prayer, or other futile acts of devotion.
Memory echo may be why I came up with the 30 years estimate.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
26 Dec 2004 12:47:35 AM |
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In article <ae8rs090gsiaeksnh1hqk55gthp1sb60pb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:15:58 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <15mos0d9t6vb04d1iofha944t11clijj5e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
I was speaking of the selling of indulgences to the public.
I believe that they stopped selling them shortly after the Reformation.
When I used to go, the church still granted indulgences, but you had to
earn them by prayer, or other futile acts of devotion.
Memory echo may be why I came up with the 30 years estimate.
Yeah, I've been getting those too as of late.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
26 Dec 2004 11:18:49 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:47:35 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <ae8rs090gsiaeksnh1hqk55gthp1sb60pb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:15:58 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <15mos0d9t6vb04d1iofha944t11clijj5e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
I was speaking of the selling of indulgences to the public.
I believe that they stopped selling them shortly after the Reformation.
When I used to go, the church still granted indulgences, but you had to
earn them by prayer, or other futile acts of devotion.
Memory echo may be why I came up with the 30 years estimate.
Yeah, I've been getting those too as of late.
Echo....echo....echo.....
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
26 Dec 2004 09:38:00 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:15:58 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <15mos0d9t6vb04d1iofha944t11clijj5e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
I was speaking of the selling of indulgences to the public.
I believe that they stopped selling them shortly after the Reformation.
When I used to go, the church still granted indulgences, but you had to
earn them by prayer, or other futile acts of devotion.
(Piggybacking).
Indulgences were for sale in Spain well into the 1920's.
They just changed the name (bulla). These were sold en masse
once a year from Rome to merchants and middlemen and sold
throughout the year to believers.
And American tourist caught much of this in 1911, bought a few,
and photographed the colorful parades as Spaniards celebrated the
arrival of new indulgences hot off the presses of Rome.
These ended up being published in an Atheist magazine in America
run by Joseph McCabe, an ex-Irish priest.
This resulted in much world wide laughter and hoorawing the RCC
church for indulgences. The sale of these things moved under the
table to locals only, and the parades and celebrations stopped.
Indulgences seemed to have ended by the mid 20's.
Indulgences were offered well into the 50's in many pious Catholic
books, so many indulgences for reading such works. I owned a few such
books in the past.
--
Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Our father who farts in heaven |
27 Dec 2004 11:30:05 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:38:00 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:15:58 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <15mos0d9t6vb04d1iofha944t11clijj5e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
I was speaking of the selling of indulgences to the public.
I believe that they stopped selling them shortly after the Reformation.
When I used to go, the church still granted indulgences, but you had to
earn them by prayer, or other futile acts of devotion.
(Piggybacking).
Indulgences were for sale in Spain well into the 1920's.
They just changed the name (bulla). These were sold en masse
once a year from Rome to merchants and middlemen and sold
throughout the year to believers.
And American tourist caught much of this in 1911, bought a few,
and photographed the colorful parades as Spaniards celebrated the
arrival of new indulgences hot off the presses of Rome.
These ended up being published in an Atheist magazine in America
run by Joseph McCabe, an ex-Irish priest.
This resulted in much world wide laughter and hoorawing the RCC
church for indulgences. The sale of these things moved under the
table to locals only, and the parades and celebrations stopped.
Indulgences seemed to have ended by the mid 20's.
Indulgences were offered well into the 50's in many pious Catholic
books, so many indulgences for reading such works. I owned a few such
books in the past.
Thank you, William.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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