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"democratix" |
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17 Aug 2004 11:50:22 PM |
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Our Species |
The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist, and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
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| User: "Ernie Sty" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
20 Aug 2004 02:44:55 PM |
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist, and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
Could God create an Irony so big even He could not grasp it?
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| User: "Stranger" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
18 Aug 2004 12:31:24 AM |
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist, and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
18 Aug 2004 02:38:29 AM |
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"Stranger" <info@mos.uk> wrote in message
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist, and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and is plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear seems to
have said one time.
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| User: "Stranger" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
18 Aug 2004 03:07:16 AM |
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"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist, and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear seems to
have said one time.
Then God is born of irony. Does that make him the punchline of
a joke? Seems that makes him less than a turnip, which is plain
for everyone to see. To fully be by being fully believed, without
form or substance, seems like a waste of the imagination.
Man, on the other hand is a noble creature. He built the Yugo
and Edsel.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
18 Aug 2004 10:25:32 PM |
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"Stranger" <info@mos.uk> wrote in message
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear seems to
have said one time.
Then God is born of irony. Does that make him the punchline of
a joke? Seems that makes him less than a turnip, which is plain
for everyone to see.
What if God prefers to be in the background, out of sight, until he achieves
all that he wishes to be?
To fully be by being fully believed, without
form or substance, seems like a waste of the imagination.
Yes, a lot of people give up on God for that reason.
Man, on the other hand is a noble creature. He built the Yugo
and Edsel.
Don't forget that there was a time before you were known, too.
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
18 Aug 2004 05:31:42 PM |
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"Stranger" <info@mos.uk> wrote in message
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear seems to
have said one time.
Then God is born of irony. Does that make him the punchline of
a joke? Seems that makes him less than a turnip, which is plain
for everyone to see. To fully be by being fully believed, without
form or substance, seems like a waste of the imagination.
Man, on the other hand is a noble creature. He built the Yugo
and Edsel.
Both of which exist whether believed in or not. In this fashion, the Yugo
is superior to God.
Raptor514
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
18 Aug 2004 10:06:52 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:07:16 -0700 in alt.atheism, "Stranger" <info@mos.uk>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
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"Stranger" <info@mos.uk> wrote in message
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist, and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear seems to
have said one time.
Then God is born of irony. Does that make him the punchline of
a joke? Seems that makes him less than a turnip, which is plain
for everyone to see. To fully be by being fully believed, without
form or substance, seems like a waste of the imagination.
Man, on the other hand is a noble creature. He built the Yugo
and Edsel.
And bell bottoms. And perms for men. And gold chains sold by the yard. And
sweaty middle-aged men in velvet suits with their shirts hung open to their
navel, exposing their body hair which ranges, fully uncurled, from about 2 feet
long at the chest to about 6 or 7 inches at their pant line. Not to mention the
stray hairs sticking out around their collar from their backs, rendering unto
them the impression of a sleazy cabbage patch kid head that had incidentally
rolled off into a tumbleweed.
Then again, I've hung out in too many gay clubs, and made the mistake of doing
so when all the college kids had left for break. ;-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
18 Aug 2004 10:48:00 AM |
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"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist, and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and is plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily must fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony unless he fully
exists.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
18 Aug 2004 10:22:56 PM |
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"Immortalist" <Reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony unless he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be until he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
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| User: "Stranger" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
19 Aug 2004 07:28:26 PM |
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear seems
to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
Sounds ungodly. Sounds like human qualities.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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19 Aug 2004 09:03:37 PM |
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"Stranger" <info@mos.uk> wrote in message
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear
seems
to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
Sounds ungodly. Sounds like human qualities.
God is a person, too.
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| User: "anne marie hovgaard" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
20 Aug 2004 03:25:22 AM |
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"democratix" <demokratix@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear
seems
to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
Sounds ungodly. Sounds like human qualities.
God is a person, too.
What's the point of having a God if it suffers from the same emotional
insecurities as you do, and needs to be seen, mirrored, confirmed,
positively regarded and so on, just like you? Aren't Gods supposed to
be sort of special? Omnipotent or something? This one is starting to
sound like the Discworld gods.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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20 Aug 2004 10:57:27 PM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear
seems
to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
Sounds ungodly. Sounds like human qualities.
God is a person, too.
What's the point of having a God if it suffers from the same emotional
insecurities as you do, and needs to be seen, mirrored, confirmed,
positively regarded and so on, just like you? Aren't Gods supposed to
be sort of special? Omnipotent or something? This one is starting to
sound like the Discworld gods.
A god is not great unless he has to overcome great obstacles to be worthy
of the credit we give him.
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| User: "block" |
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21 Aug 2004 01:38:11 AM |
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"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
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God is a person, too.
What's the point of having a God if it suffers from the same emotional
insecurities as you do, and needs to be seen, mirrored, confirmed,
positively regarded and so on, just like you? Aren't Gods supposed to
be sort of special? Omnipotent or something? This one is starting to
sound like the Discworld gods.
A god is not great unless he has to overcome great obstacles to be worthy
of the credit we give him.
Do you think that's true? What if God knew no fear, no sadness, no
heartache - he might "try" and understand, but would He? Who would put
"great obstacles" before God? Why should we give God great credit? Maybe
He is just some bod that created the Universe and now we just have Him round
for tea.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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21 Aug 2004 09:47:56 PM |
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"block" <not.block@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
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God is a person, too.
What's the point of having a God if it suffers from the same emotional
insecurities as you do, and needs to be seen, mirrored, confirmed,
positively regarded and so on, just like you? Aren't Gods supposed to
be sort of special? Omnipotent or something? This one is starting to
sound like the Discworld gods.
A god is not great unless he has to overcome great obstacles to be
worthy
of the credit we give him.
Do you think that's true? What if God knew no fear, no sadness, no
heartache - he might "try" and understand, but would He?
Then he would not be much of an entity. We gain value from suffering and
living successfully in spite of it.
Who would put
"great obstacles" before God?
Other gods, of course.
Why should we give God great credit?
The same reason we would give you credit if you earned a gold medal in the
Olympics.
Maybe
He is just some bod that created the Universe and now we just have Him
round
for tea.
You may not realize how true that actually is. God to quite a degree wants
to be with us, and have tea with us, for example.
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| User: "block" |
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22 Aug 2004 04:25:15 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
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You may not realize how true that actually is. God to quite a degree
wants
to be with us, and have tea with us, for example.
Say our God was so funny and had such an incredible sense of humour that He
has great difficulty getting through to us. I mean, like you said in your
message, we have to undergo certain things in order to acquire values and
things like courage, bravery, dignity, pride, loyalty, love and all the rest
of it but say God tried once to get through and He was just so funny that
everyone laughed and laughed and laughed. You know how if you laugh too
much it really does almost literally hurt and not only that, but you can't
get your breath?
Say God was just so funny that the whole planet literally died laughing?
They kept saying "Stop. Stop. I can't breathe" And He couldn't stop
because He is a natural and the more He tried to stop, the funnier He got.
Anyhow, having destroyed the whole planet, He would have somehow brought
everyone back to life, and then naturally we would all have forgotten about
the incident and God is probably sitting up there somehow wondering how on
earth He is going to make a comeback. I mean, the LAST thing He wants to be
is serious!
It's possible
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| User: "Apostate" |
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22 Aug 2004 05:33:45 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:25:15 GMT, "block" <not.block@REMOVEntlworld.com> wrote:
"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
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You may not realize how true that actually is. God to quite a degree
wants
to be with us, and have tea with us, for example.
Say our God was so funny and had such an incredible sense of humour that He
has great difficulty getting through to us. I mean, like you said in your
message, we have to undergo certain things in order to acquire values and
things like courage, bravery, dignity, pride, loyalty, love and all the rest
of it but say God tried once to get through and He was just so funny that
everyone laughed and laughed and laughed. You know how if you laugh too
much it really does almost literally hurt and not only that, but you can't
get your breath?
Say God was just so funny that the whole planet literally died laughing?
They kept saying "Stop. Stop. I can't breathe" And He couldn't stop
because He is a natural and the more He tried to stop, the funnier He got.
Anyhow, having destroyed the whole planet, He would have somehow brought
everyone back to life, and then naturally we would all have forgotten about
the incident and God is probably sitting up there somehow wondering how on
earth He is going to make a comeback. I mean, the LAST thing He wants to be
is serious!
It's possible
Or, he could be just what he appears to be: a figment of primitives' imaginations.
Or a really big, callous *****.
Hey, it could happen!
--
/Apostate
atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; Billions Served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
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| User: "block" |
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22 Aug 2004 11:04:19 PM |
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"Apostate" <Apostate.invalid@yeehaw.org> wrote in message
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Or, he could be just what he appears to be: a figment of primitives'
imaginations.
Or a really big, callous *****.
Hey, it could happen!
I don't think He would be necessarily callous - I mean, if He is in any way
The Creator then give him some credit for some of the things on this planet.
He could however be so POWERFUL as regards his feelings and emotions that he
might have to time travel 30 years to disguise how much He laughs when He
has a hiccup!
I mean say God is sitting there somewhere, trying really hard to get through
and last time He appeared it was in 1942 and He thought "Oh my God I am
going to have a hiccup in 2004 23rd June at exactly 10.03 a.m." and He has
spent all the time since 1942 keeping that under control.
Maybe when He sent an angel to the Virgin Mary he was just "testing" to see
if any woman would think they were good enough to be the Mother of God and
after that He didn't know what to do - because they DID! Whatever happened
may not have been seriously funny, or bloody funny, it may have been
crucifyingly funny and everything is just so funny that this is the result
and the whole thing is set up, not for us to philosophise or have any
serious arguments but seriously just to once and for all stop us from
laughing all the time.
Hey, it could be true! I mean, who on earth invented dickie birds that go
tweet tweet tweet?
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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19 Aug 2004 11:22:31 AM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony unless he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be until he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
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19 Aug 2004 01:29:17 PM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists, and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
.
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
19 Aug 2004 09:03:02 PM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
That is not irony, that is *****.
Raptor514
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
19 Aug 2004 09:51:00 PM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
That is not irony, that is *****.
Haven't you ever love/hated anyone?
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
19 Aug 2004 10:43:31 PM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully
exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as
Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
That is not irony, that is *****.
Haven't you ever love/hated anyone?
Love and hate are emotional states which one can switch between. Existence
and nonexistence are metaphysical primaries which are not exchanged the way
one would switch gears in a car.
You can't play around with logic without getting a short circuit.
You can't get a God without playing around with logic.
Because HE DOESN'T EXIST. You're only destroying your own integrity if you
cling to superstitious nonsense.
Raptor514
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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19 Aug 2004 11:20:20 PM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does
not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well,
OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully
exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as
Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he
necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of
irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully
be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
That is not irony, that is *****.
Haven't you ever love/hated anyone?
Love and hate are emotional states which one can switch between.
And they can both exist toward a certain person simultaneously.
Either you love someone or you don't, and either you hate someone or you
don't. And you can do both at once.
Existence
and nonexistence are metaphysical primaries which are not exchanged the
way
one would switch gears in a car.
You can't play around with logic without getting a short circuit.
You can't get a God without playing around with logic.
Because HE DOESN'T EXIST.
WHO doesn't exist? Whom are we talking about here?
Someone we both know??
You're only destroying your own integrity if you
cling to superstitious nonsense.
You don't believe in the super? What about superstars, and stellar
supergiants? What about superlatives? There are lots of super things.
.
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
22 Aug 2004 09:24:01 PM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does
not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well,
OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully
exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as
Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he
necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of
irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot
fully
be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
That is not irony, that is *****.
Haven't you ever love/hated anyone?
Love and hate are emotional states which one can switch between.
And they can both exist toward a certain person simultaneously.
Either you love someone or you don't, and either you hate someone or you
don't. And you can do both at once.
Uhm, yeah. Exactly.
So what's your point about God "existing and not existing" at the same time?
Existence/non-existence is not the same as love/hate.
Existence
and nonexistence are metaphysical primaries which are not exchanged the
way
one would switch gears in a car.
You can't play around with logic without getting a short circuit.
You can't get a God without playing around with logic.
Because HE DOESN'T EXIST.
WHO doesn't exist? Whom are we talking about here?
Someone we both know??
You're only destroying your own integrity if you
cling to superstitious nonsense.
You don't believe in the super? What about superstars, and stellar
supergiants? What about superlatives? There are lots of super things.
....?...
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
24 Aug 2004 01:27:30 AM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God
does
not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony?
Well,
OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully
exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as
Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he
necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of
irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot
fully
be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
That is not irony, that is *****.
Haven't you ever love/hated anyone?
Love and hate are emotional states which one can switch between.
And they can both exist toward a certain person simultaneously.
Either you love someone or you don't, and either you hate someone or you
don't. And you can do both at once.
Uhm, yeah. Exactly.
So what's your point about God "existing and not existing" at the same
time?
God is there, but is not all he can be until God becomes God, which means
that he would be known by all.
Existence/non-existence is not the same as love/hate.
Existence
and nonexistence are metaphysical primaries which are not exchanged
the
way
one would switch gears in a car.
You can't play around with logic without getting a short circuit.
You can't get a God without playing around with logic.
Because HE DOESN'T EXIST.
WHO doesn't exist? Whom are we talking about here?
Someone we both know??
You're only destroying your own integrity if you
cling to superstitious nonsense.
You don't believe in the super? What about superstars, and stellar
supergiants? What about superlatives? There are lots of super things.
...?...
Just analyzing the word "superstitious" to see if the person whom called God
superstitious really knows what he is talking about.
.
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
24 Aug 2004 03:27:34 AM |
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<shears of brevity>
Uhm, yeah. Exactly.
So what's your point about God "existing and not existing" at the same
time?
God is there, but is not all he can be until God becomes God, which means
that he would be known by all.
That's based entirely upon your own rather strange definition. If God is
'less than God' because he isn't known by all then your 'God' makes no sense
as a concept. Oh, wait. . .
Existence/non-existence is not the same as love/hate.
Existence
and nonexistence are metaphysical primaries which are not exchanged
the
way
one would switch gears in a car.
You can't play around with logic without getting a short circuit.
You can't get a God without playing around with logic.
Because HE DOESN'T EXIST.
WHO doesn't exist? Whom are we talking about here?
Someone we both know??
You're only destroying your own integrity if you
cling to superstitious nonsense.
You don't believe in the super? What about superstars, and stellar
supergiants? What about superlatives? There are lots of super
things.
...?...
Just analyzing the word "superstitious" to see if the person whom called
God
superstitious really knows what he is talking about.
'Analysis' involves probing thought for the sake of gaining understanding.
There was no analysis in your prior post.
Raptor514
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| User: "anne marie hovgaard" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
20 Aug 2004 03:01:51 AM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well, OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
That is not irony, that is *****.
Haven't you ever love/hated anyone?
Love and hate are not mutually exclusive. Of course you can love
someone _and_ hate them. But you can't love someone and be indifferent
to them at the same time. Just like you can't "exist in every sense"
and _not_ "exist in every sense" at the same time.
.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Our Species |
20 Aug 2004 10:56:09 PM |
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does
not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well,
OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully
exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as
Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he
necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of
irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot fully
be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
That is not irony, that is *****.
Haven't you ever love/hated anyone?
Love and hate are not mutually exclusive. Of course you can love
someone _and_ hate them. But you can't love someone and be indifferent
to them at the same time. Just like you can't "exist in every sense"
and _not_ "exist in every sense" at the same time.
"A" and "not A" can coexist, because there are many different perspectives
to each fact.
The first time you rode on a park merry go round, you probably thought,
"This is living." Later, you tried a real roller coaster, and the merry go
round was still living, just not from your new perspective of the roller
coaster.
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The human race is all the proof you need that God does
not
exist,
and
that he has a keen sense of irony.
He does not exist but has a keen sense of irony? Well,
OK.
It's possible, because God may not exist until he fully
exists,
and
is
plain
to everyone. One has to fully be in order to be, as
Shakespear
seems to
have said one time.
But if he may not exist until he fully exists and he
necessarily
must
fully exist
to have a sense of irony then he does not have a sense of
irony
unless
he
fully
exists.
He does fully exist, just not in every sense. One cannot
fully
be
until
he
manifests fully to others, because we all need to be known.
God can exist in every sense without existing in every sense?
Yes, and that is irony.
That is not irony, that is *****.
Haven't you ever love/hated anyone?
Love and hate are not mutually exclusive. Of course you can love
someone _and_ hate them. But you can't love someone and be indifferent
to them at the same time. Just like you can't "exist in every sense"
and _not_ "exist in every sense" at the same time.
"A" and "not A" can coexist, because there are many different perspectives
to each fact.
The first time you rode on a park merry go round, you probably thought,
"This is living." Later, you tried a real roller coaster, and the merry
go
round was still living, just not from your new perspective of the roller
coaster.
You're confusing the subjective with the objective. An apple can be sweet
to one person and bitter to another, but it cannot be an apple to one person
and an orange to another.
God cannot exist while at the same time not existing. That makes no more
sense than a square circle or a married bachelor.
No-Such-Thing.
Raptor514
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