Religions > Atheism > Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teaching ID in australian schools?
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"Phillip Brown" |
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21 Dec 2005 08:31:51 PM |
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Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teaching ID in australian schools? |
In August this year, when questioned at the National Press Club,
Brendan Nelson, Federal Minister for Education, made the comment that the
teaching of intelligent design doctrine can be offered as an alternative
and that it's "about choice, reasonable choice"
I wonder if he will now retract that statement, and, ideally, resign his
post?
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phillip brown
"***** doesn't just happen. there is always an *****-hole involved"
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teachingID in australian schools? |
22 Dec 2005 04:55:15 AM |
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Phillip Brown wrote:
In August this year, when questioned at the National Press Club,
Brendan Nelson, Federal Minister for Education, made the comment that the
teaching of intelligent design doctrine can be offered as an alternative
and that it's "about choice, reasonable choice"
I wonder if he will now retract that statement, and, ideally, resign his
post?
The clarification he issued later had it that he didn't want to teach it in
science class. In many ways his view is not far from Jones'.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
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| User: "Marc" |
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| Title: Re: Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teachingID in australian schools? |
22 Dec 2005 09:00:54 AM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
In August this year, when questioned at the National Press Club,
Brendan Nelson, Federal Minister for Education, made the comment that the
teaching of intelligent design doctrine can be offered as an alternative
and that it's "about choice, reasonable choice"
I wonder if he will now retract that statement, and, ideally, resign his
post?
The clarification he issued later had it that he didn't want to teach it in
science class. In many ways his view is not far from Jones'.
A short article in yesterday's SMH points out that ID is
well established in New South Wales and there is little
that can be done about that.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/no-barriers-to-local-intelligent-design-lessons/2005/12/21/1135032083694.html
(signed) marc
Marc Buhler
a.k.a. Owen's Dad
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teachingID in australian schools? |
22 Dec 2005 04:40:38 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:55:15 +1000, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
In August this year, when questioned at the National Press Club,
Brendan Nelson, Federal Minister for Education, made the comment that the
teaching of intelligent design doctrine can be offered as an alternative
and that it's "about choice, reasonable choice"
I wonder if he will now retract that statement, and, ideally, resign his
post?
The clarification he issued later had it that he didn't want to teach it in
science class. In many ways his view is not far from Jones'.
It is my recollection, gleaned from a fuller report from around that
time, in Australasian Science (since handed on), that he originally
made that clear that while he wished that students should be exposed
to ID, Creationism, Christianity, etc, it was NOT appropriate to be in
science classes.
And I agree with him.
Students should be exposed to these crank ideas in the classroom, (say
in a class about critical thinking skills), and have them revealed for
the deceptive crocks-o-***** that are.
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| User: "Peter Besenbruch" |
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| Title: Re: Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teachingID in australian schools? |
22 Dec 2005 01:29:58 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:55:15 +1000, John Wilkins wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
In August this year, when questioned at the National Press Club, Brendan
Nelson, Federal Minister for Education, made the comment that the
teaching of intelligent design doctrine can be offered as an alternative
and that it's "about choice, reasonable choice"
I wonder if he will now retract that statement, and, ideally, resign his
post?
The clarification he issued later had it that he didn't want to teach it
in science class. In many ways his view is not far from Jones'.
How sincere do you think the clarification is? Does it generally reflect
his views?
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teachingIDin australian schools? |
22 Dec 2005 10:52:26 PM |
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Peter Besenbruch wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:55:15 +1000, John Wilkins wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
In August this year, when questioned at the National Press Club, Brendan
Nelson, Federal Minister for Education, made the comment that the
teaching of intelligent design doctrine can be offered as an alternative
and that it's "about choice, reasonable choice"
I wonder if he will now retract that statement, and, ideally, resign his
post?
The clarification he issued later had it that he didn't want to teach it
in science class. In many ways his view is not far from Jones'.
How sincere do you think the clarification is? Does it generally reflect
his views?
Who knows? We're dealing with Federal politicians with agendas. I think he
didnt think all that hard about the comment in the first place and retreated
to a defensible stance on attack. But he's part of the Christianisation of the
conservative arm of Australian politics.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
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| User: "Phillip Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teachingIDin australian schools? |
25 Dec 2005 12:58:54 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:52:26 +1000, John Wilkins wrote:
Peter Besenbruch wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:55:15 +1000, John Wilkins wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
In August this year, when questioned at the National Press Club,
Brendan Nelson, Federal Minister for Education, made the comment that
the teaching of intelligent design doctrine can be offered as an
alternative and that it's "about choice, reasonable choice"
I wonder if he will now retract that statement, and, ideally, resign
his post?
The clarification he issued later had it that he didn't want to teach
it in science class. In many ways his view is not far from Jones'.
How sincere do you think the clarification is? Does it generally
reflect his views?
Who knows? We're dealing with Federal politicians with agendas. I think
he didnt think all that hard about the comment in the first place and
retreated to a defensible stance on attack. But he's part of the
Christianisation of the conservative arm of Australian politics.
Unfortunately not just the conservative arm - Kevin Rudd is probably the
most prominent Christian in the Labor party. At least they haven't
expressed the same tendancy to enforce their values on the rest of us.
*cough*Tony Abbott*cough*
phillip brown
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| User: "John S. Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teachingIDin australian schools? |
25 Dec 2005 05:39:52 AM |
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Phillip Brown wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:52:26 +1000, John Wilkins wrote:
Peter Besenbruch wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:55:15 +1000, John Wilkins wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
In August this year, when questioned at the National Press Club,
Brendan Nelson, Federal Minister for Education, made the comment that
the teaching of intelligent design doctrine can be offered as an
alternative and that it's "about choice, reasonable choice"
I wonder if he will now retract that statement, and, ideally, resign
his post?
The clarification he issued later had it that he didn't want to teach
it in science class. In many ways his view is not far from Jones'.
How sincere do you think the clarification is? Does it generally
reflect his views?
Who knows? We're dealing with Federal politicians with agendas. I think
he didnt think all that hard about the comment in the first place and
retreated to a defensible stance on attack. But he's part of the
Christianisation of the conservative arm of Australian politics.
Unfortunately not just the conservative arm - Kevin Rudd is probably the
most prominent Christian in the Labor party. At least they haven't
expressed the same tendancy to enforce their values on the rest of us.
*cough*Tony Abbott*cough*
Surely Kim Beasley is a higher profile Labor Christian. He has several
times seen the need to announce his religion.
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| User: "Phillip Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Oz - will Brendan Nelson retract statement supporting teachingIDin australian schools? |
26 Dec 2005 12:46:34 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:39:52 -0800, John S. Wilkins wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:52:26 +1000, John Wilkins wrote:
Peter Besenbruch wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:55:15 +1000, John Wilkins wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
In August this year, when questioned at the National Press Club,
Brendan Nelson, Federal Minister for Education, made the comment that
the teaching of intelligent design doctrine can be offered as an
alternative and that it's "about choice, reasonable choice"
I wonder if he will now retract that statement, and, ideally, resign
his post?
The clarification he issued later had it that he didn't want to teach
it in science class. In many ways his view is not far from Jones'.
How sincere do you think the clarification is? Does it generally
reflect his views?
Who knows? We're dealing with Federal politicians with agendas. I think
he didnt think all that hard about the comment in the first place and
retreated to a defensible stance on attack. But he's part of the
Christianisation of the conservative arm of Australian politics.
Unfortunately not just the conservative arm - Kevin Rudd is probably the
most prominent Christian in the Labor party. At least they haven't
expressed the same tendancy to enforce their values on the rest of us.
*cough*Tony Abbott*cough*
Surely Kim Beasley is a higher profile Labor Christian. He has several
times seen the need to announce his religion.
Maybe so. I tend to avoid reading or listening to anything coming from Kim
Beasley, lest he embarrass the Labor party more than he already has.
phillip brown.
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