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"james g. keegan jr." |
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10 Jan 2005 04:36:12 PM |
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Painting Iraq failure as victory |
Painting Iraq failure as victory
Maureen Dowd
First published: Sunday, January 9, 2005
WASHINGTON -- The President prides himself on being a pig-headed guy. He is
determined to win in Iraq even if he is not winning in Iraq.
So get ready for a Mohammedan mountain of spin defining victory down. Come
what may -- civil war over oil, Iranian-style fatwas du jour or men on
prayer rugs reciting the Quran all day on the Iraqi TV network our own
geniuses created -- this administration will call it a triumph.
Even for a White House steeped in hooey, it's a challenge. President Bush
will have to emulate the parsing and prevaricating he disdained in his
predecessor: It depends on what the meaning of the word "win" is. The
President's still got a paper bag over his head, claiming that the daily
horrors out of Iraq reflect just a few soreheads standing in the way of a
glorious democracy, even though his commander of ground forces there
concedes that the areas where more than half of Iraqis live are not secure
enough for them to vote -- an acknowledgment that the insurgency is
resilient and growing. It's like saying Montana and North Dakota are safe
to vote, but New York, Philadelphia and L.A. are not. What's a little
disenfranchisement among friends?
"I know it's hard, but it's hard for a reason," Bush said on Friday, a day
after seven GIs and two Marines died. "And the reason it's hard is because
there are a handful of folks who fear freedom." If it's just a handful, how
come it's so hard?
The mood in Washington about our misadventure has seemed to grow darker,
maybe because lawmakers were back after visiting with their increasingly
worried constituents and -- even more alarming -- visiting Iraq, where you
still can't drive from the Baghdad airport to the Green Zone without
fearing death.
"It's going to be ugly," Joe Biden told Charlie Rose about the election.
The arrogant Bush war council never admits a mistake. Paul Wolfowitz, a
walking mistake, said Friday he's been asked to remain in the
administration. But the "idealists," as the myopic dunderheads think of
themselves, are obviously worried enough, now that Bush is safely re-
elected, to let a little reality seep in. Rummy tapped a respected retired
four-star general to go to Iraq this week for an open-ended review of the
entire military meshugas.
Wolfowitz, who devised the debacle in Iraq, is kept on, while Brent
Scowcroft, Poppy Bush's lieutenant who warned Junior not to go into Iraq,
is pushed out as chairman of the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.
That's the backward nature of this beast: Deceive, you're golden; tell the
truth, you're gone.
Scowcroft was not deterred. Like Banquo's ghost, he has clanked around,
disputing the President's absurdly sunny forecasts for Iraq, and noting
dryly that this administration had turned the word "realist" into a
"pejorative." He predicted that the elections "have the great potential for
deepening the conflict" by exacerbating the divisions between Shiite and
Sunni Muslims. He worried that there would be "an incipient civil war," and
said the best chance for the United States to avoid anarchy was to turn
over the operation to the less inflammatory United Nations or NATO.
Scowcroft appeared at the New America Foundation with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, who declared the Iraq war a
moral, political and military failure. If we can't send 500,000 troops,
spend $500 billion and agree to resume the draft, then the conflict should
be "terminated," he said, adding that far from the Jeffersonian democracy
Bush extols, the most we can hope for is a Shiite-controlled theocracy.
The Iraqi election that was meant to be the solution to the problem -- like
the installation of a new Iraqi government and the transfer of sovereignty
and all the other steps that were supposed to make things better -- may
actually be making things worse. The election is going to expand the
control of the Shiite theocrats, even beyond what their numbers would
entitle them to have, because of the way the Bush team has set it up and
the danger that if you're a Sunni, the vote you cast may be your last.
It is a lesson never learned: Matters of state and the heart that start
with a lie rarely end well.
http://timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=321621
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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| Title: Re: Painting Iraq failure as victory |
10 Jan 2005 05:00:36 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Painting Iraq failure as victory
Maureen Dowd
Fantastic article James. What's it got to do with abortion?
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| User: "Roger Christie" |
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14 Jan 2005 05:10:46 PM |
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Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Painting Iraq failure as victory
Maureen Dowd
Fantastic article James. What's it got to do with abortion?
The war should have been aborted? :)
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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10 Jan 2005 05:25:53 PM |
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Michael Calwell <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in news:41e2b7e3
$0$14258$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Painting Iraq failure as victory
Maureen Dowd
--begin text restore
First published: Sunday, January 9, 2005
WASHINGTON -- The President prides himself on being a pig-headed guy. He
is determined to win in Iraq even if he is not winning in Iraq.
So get ready for a Mohammedan mountain of spin defining victory down.
Come what may -- civil war over oil, Iranian-style fatwas du jour or men
on prayer rugs reciting the Quran all day on the Iraqi TV network our
own geniuses created -- this administration will call it a triumph.
Even for a White House steeped in hooey, it's a challenge. President
Bush will have to emulate the parsing and prevaricating he disdained in
his predecessor: It depends on what the meaning of the word "win" is.
The President's still got a paper bag over his head, claiming that the
daily horrors out of Iraq reflect just a few soreheads standing in the
way of a glorious democracy, even though his commander of ground forces
there concedes that the areas where more than half of Iraqis live are
not secure enough for them to vote -- an acknowledgment that the
insurgency is resilient and growing. It's like saying Montana and North
Dakota are safe to vote, but New York, Philadelphia and L.A. are not.
What's a little disenfranchisement among friends?
"I know it's hard, but it's hard for a reason," Bush said on Friday, a
day after seven GIs and two Marines died. "And the reason it's hard is
because there are a handful of folks who fear freedom." If it's just a
handful, how come it's so hard?
The mood in Washington about our misadventure has seemed to grow darker,
maybe because lawmakers were back after visiting with their increasingly
worried constituents and -- even more alarming -- visiting Iraq, where
you still can't drive from the Baghdad airport to the Green Zone without
fearing death.
"It's going to be ugly," Joe Biden told Charlie Rose about the election.
The arrogant Bush war council never admits a mistake. Paul Wolfowitz, a
walking mistake, said Friday he's been asked to remain in the
administration. But the "idealists," as the myopic dunderheads think of
themselves, are obviously worried enough, now that Bush is safely re-
elected, to let a little reality seep in. Rummy tapped a respected
retired four-star general to go to Iraq this week for an open-ended
review of the entire military meshugas.
Wolfowitz, who devised the debacle in Iraq, is kept on, while Brent
Scowcroft, Poppy Bush's lieutenant who warned Junior not to go into
Iraq, is pushed out as chairman of the Foreign Intelligence Advisory
Board. That's the backward nature of this beast: Deceive, you're golden;
tell the truth, you're gone.
Scowcroft was not deterred. Like Banquo's ghost, he has clanked around,
disputing the President's absurdly sunny forecasts for Iraq, and noting
dryly that this administration had turned the word "realist" into a
"pejorative." He predicted that the elections "have the great potential
for deepening the conflict" by exacerbating the divisions between Shiite
and Sunni Muslims. He worried that there would be "an incipient civil
war," and said the best chance for the United States to avoid anarchy
was to turn over the operation to the less inflammatory United Nations
or NATO. Scowcroft appeared at the New America Foundation with Zbigniew
Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, who declared the
Iraq war a moral, political and military failure. If we can't send
500,000 troops, spend $500 billion and agree to resume the draft, then
the conflict should be "terminated," he said, adding that far from the
Jeffersonian democracy Bush extols, the most we can hope for is a
Shiite-controlled theocracy.
The Iraqi election that was meant to be the solution to the problem --
like the installation of a new Iraqi government and the transfer of
sovereignty and all the other steps that were supposed to make things
better -- may actually be making things worse. The election is going to
expand the control of the Shiite theocrats, even beyond what their
numbers would entitle them to have, because of the way the Bush team has
set it up and the danger that if you're a Sunni, the vote you cast may
be your last.
It is a lesson never learned: Matters of state and the heart that start
with a lie rarely end well.
http://timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=321621
--end text restore
Fantastic article James.
yes, it is that.
What's it got to do with abortion?
you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand
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under my name. I can post whatever I want. I even
documented my correction to your post."
-Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> explaining why he forged
text and falsely attributed it to me.
<yOCdnRiVUdGQwUXcRVn-iQ@rcn.net>
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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| Title: Re: Painting Iraq failure as victory |
10 Jan 2005 05:27:55 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand
Maybe! Explain then.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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10 Jan 2005 05:47:35 PM |
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Michael Calwell <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in news:41e2be4a$0
$14258$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand
Maybe! Explain then.
"you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand."
--
"A post edit is not a forgery. The entire post is
under my name. I can post whatever I want. I even
documented my correction to your post."
-Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> explaining why he forged
text and falsely attributed it to me.
<yOCdnRiVUdGQwUXcRVn-iQ@rcn.net>
news:yOCdnRiVUdGQwUXcRVn-iQ@rcn.net
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| User: "Ouroboros Rex" |
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10 Jan 2005 05:50:59 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DA82252B84Akeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Michael Calwell <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in news:41e2be4a$0
$14258$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand
Maybe! Explain then.
"you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand."
Is he thinking there's no news link between Bush and abortion? Or is he
just nuts...?
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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10 Jan 2005 07:11:30 PM |
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"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:crufa3$7j2$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DA82252B84Akeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Michael Calwell <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in
news:41e2be4a$0 $14258$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand
Maybe! Explain then.
"you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand."
Is he thinking there's no news link between Bush and abortion? Or is
he
just nuts...?
Obviously, James can't explain it, just like he can't explain anything
else he claims, like his claim that all of the 9-11 hijackers were
Iranian.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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10 Jan 2005 05:54:23 PM |
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"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:crufa3$7j2$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DA82252B84Akeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Michael Calwell <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in
news:41e2be4a$0 $14258$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics
to undrstand
Maybe! Explain then.
"you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics
to undrstand."
Is he thinking there's no news link between Bush and abortion? Or
is he
just nuts...?
i am not sure. "he" is clearly not in touch with things.
--
"A post edit is not a forgery. The entire post is
under my name. I can post whatever I want. I even
documented my correction to your post."
-Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> explaining why he forged
text and falsely attributed it to me.
<yOCdnRiVUdGQwUXcRVn-iQ@rcn.net>
news:yOCdnRiVUdGQwUXcRVn-iQ@rcn.net
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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10 Jan 2005 06:48:28 PM |
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Ouroboros Rex wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DA82252B84Akeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Michael Calwell <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in news:41e2be4a$0
$14258$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand
Maybe! Explain then.
"you'd have to be an adult with a limited knowledge of usa politics to
undrstand."
Is he thinking there's no news link between Bush and abortion? Or is he
just nuts...?
That article wasn't about abortion. Bush is POTUS, most issues domestic
and international concern him. If the article told us anything about
Bush's position on abortion, it would be pertinent to this NG. But it
doesn't, and again indicates how disturbed the poster is.
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| User: "Mike Schilling" |
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10 Jan 2005 07:44:37 PM |
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But this does have *nothing* do to with science-fiction, so if y'all could
remove rec.arts.sf.written (as I've done in posting this) we'd appreciate
it.
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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12 Jan 2005 05:39:53 AM |
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Mike Schilling wrote:
But this does have *nothing* do to with science-fiction, so if y'all could
remove rec.arts.sf.written (as I've done in posting this) we'd appreciate
it.
Actually, it does qualify as sci fi
(sorry, could not resist)
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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10 Jan 2005 08:05:38 PM |
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Mike Schilling wrote:
But this does have *nothing* do to with science-fiction, so if y'all could
remove rec.arts.sf.written (as I've done in posting this) we'd appreciate
it.
Does he post to you too? Another equally irrelvant NG.
If you formally request James to stop posting to you (and copy us in on
your request), then next time he does, we can check the headers and
point out to James that you asked him to desist.
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| User: "" |
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10 Jan 2005 07:34:00 PM |
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Michael Calwell wrote:
Ouroboros Rex wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DA82252B84Akeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Michael Calwell <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in
news:41e2be4a$0
$14258$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk:
Is he thinking there's no news link between Bush and abortion?
Or is he
just nuts...?
That article wasn't about abortion.
but it certainly was, it has "abortion" written all over it.
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