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16 Mar 2006 04:35:52 PM |
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Pakistan Lobbied the 9/11 Commission? |
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday
Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret
meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of foreign
secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher Afghan on the
money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the members
of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the authenticity of the
information in their final report,” it said...
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Fred Stone
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"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." - Thomas Mann
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| User: "Woden" |
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16 Mar 2006 05:20:06 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in news:Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69
@81.174.50.80:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday
Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret
meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of foreign
secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher Afghan on the
money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the members
of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the authenticity of the
information in their final report,” it said...
Well, I guess they understand how American politics works.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Pakistan Lobbied the 9/11 Commission? |
17 Mar 2006 06:58:02 AM |
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Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote in
news:Xns9788BB15D6E8Cwodencharternet@69.28.186.121:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69 @81.174.50.80:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The
Friday Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a
secret meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of
foreign secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher
Afghan on the money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the
members of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the
authenticity of the information in their final report,” it said...
Well, I guess they understand how American politics works.
Money talks. :-!
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Pakistan Lobbied the 9/11 Commission? |
16 Mar 2006 05:02:39 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:35:52 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday
Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret
meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of foreign
secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher Afghan on the
money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the members
of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the authenticity of the
information in their final report,” it said...
So you are saying that our ally, the country that Shrub has forgiven
for selling nuclear technology, a country that supports terrorism that
Shrub has ignored, may well have had more to do with 9/11? Do you
think that Shrub will do anything about this or will he still turn a
blind eye to Pakistan?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Pakistan Lobbied the 9/11 Commission? |
16 Mar 2006 10:40:22 PM |
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In <mhrj12lgtua5c25ctpu0iklqgqsgjrtdf3@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:35:52 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69@81.174.50.80> wrote:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday
Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret
meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of foreign
secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher Afghan on the
money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the members
of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the authenticity of the
information in their final report,” it said...
So you are saying that our ally, the country that Shrub has forgiven for
selling nuclear technology, a country that supports terrorism that Shrub
has ignored, may well have had more to do with 9/11? Do you think that
Shrub will do anything about this or will he still turn a blind eye to
Pakistan?
So, let's see...
9/11 was funded, planned, and executed by Saudis mainly and Bush runs
around holding hands with them. Some of the money was laundered through
the UAE and two of the hijackers came from there, so Bush wants to sell
them half a dozen ports. Pakistan gave, like party favors, materials and
information on building nukes to Iran and N. Korea and they're one of our
best buddies and along with the House of Saud get whitewashed out of
investigations.
You know, about the only thing Bush *hasn't done is kiss bin Laden full on
the lips...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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I just love this...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
Um... didn't foresee what exactly?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CA129BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Pakistan Lobbied the 9/11 Commission? |
17 Mar 2006 07:00:32 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:mhrj12lgtua5c25ctpu0iklqgqsgjrtdf3@4ax.com:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:35:52 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday
Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret
meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of foreign
secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher Afghan on the
money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the
members of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the
authenticity of the information in their final report,” it said...
So you are saying that our ally, the country that Shrub has forgiven
for selling nuclear technology, a country that supports terrorism that
Shrub has ignored, may well have had more to do with 9/11? Do you
think that Shrub will do anything about this or will he still turn a
blind eye to Pakistan?
Hmm, so what do you recommend that we do to "punish" Pakistan for their
cooperation with us *since* 9/11? How should we go about pushing them
back into the arms of the Taliban and al Qaeda, Matt?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Pakistan Lobbied the 9/11 Commission? |
17 Mar 2006 09:01:09 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:00:32 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9789517CCCEEEfstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:mhrj12lgtua5c25ctpu0iklqgqsgjrtdf3@4ax.com:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:35:52 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday
Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret
meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of foreign
secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher Afghan on the
money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the
members of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the
authenticity of the information in their final report,” it said...
So you are saying that our ally, the country that Shrub has forgiven
for selling nuclear technology, a country that supports terrorism that
Shrub has ignored, may well have had more to do with 9/11? Do you
think that Shrub will do anything about this or will he still turn a
blind eye to Pakistan?
Hmm, so what do you recommend that we do to "punish" Pakistan for their
cooperation with us *since* 9/11? How should we go about pushing them
back into the arms of the Taliban and al Qaeda, Matt?
Cooperation? So I guess their years of funding and training the
Taliban and other terrorists does not matter. How about this, whatever
we threaten to do to Iraq/North Korea for starting to make weapons
with technology and equipment obtained from Pakistan we try out on
Pakistan. At the very least I would have demanded they come clean on
their sales of nuclear technology rather than allowing them to cover
that up.
I am just trying to figure out the rhyme and reason behind who we make
friends and who we make enemies. It seems rather random. Saudi funds
extremism and they are our ally, Pakistan spreads nuclear weapons and
they are our ally. I think our support for the dictator of Pakistan
will end up with a Pakistan that is like the Taliban only worse for
us.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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17 Mar 2006 10:47:39 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:bijl12df0akvpsgqln5v9tfc505s2vj7n3@4ax.com:
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:00:32 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9789517CCCEEEfstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:mhrj12lgtua5c25ctpu0iklqgqsgjrtdf3@4ax.com:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:35:52 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred
Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The
Friday
Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a
secret
meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of
foreign
secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher Afghan on
the
money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the
members of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the
authenticity of the information in their final report,” it said...
So you are saying that our ally, the country that Shrub has forgiven
for selling nuclear technology, a country that supports terrorism
that
Shrub has ignored, may well have had more to do with 9/11? Do you
think that Shrub will do anything about this or will he still turn a
blind eye to Pakistan?
Hmm, so what do you recommend that we do to "punish" Pakistan for
their
cooperation with us *since* 9/11? How should we go about pushing them
back into the arms of the Taliban and al Qaeda, Matt?
Cooperation? So I guess their years of funding and training the
Taliban and other terrorists does not matter.
I guess their attempts at capturing and turning over the Taliban and
other terrorists do not matter to you. There is also the minor matter of
going after Afghanistan *AND* Pakistan both at the same time.
How about this, whatever
we threaten to do to Iraq/North Korea for starting to make weapons
with technology and equipment obtained from Pakistan we try out on
Pakistan. At the very least I would have demanded they come clean on
their sales of nuclear technology rather than allowing them to cover
that up.
But we did that, Matt, and they *did* come clean. We *did* get AQ Khan.
I am just trying to figure out the rhyme and reason behind who we make
friends and who we make enemies. It seems rather random.
It's really very simple. You attack us, we attack you. What your
citizens do without your express permission we *might* forgive you, *IF*
you cooperate with us in bringing them to justice.
Saudi funds
extremism and they are our ally, Pakistan spreads nuclear weapons and
they are our ally.
The concept of diplomacy doesn't seem to enter into your considerations
here, Matt. I know you think Bush is a barbarian who only knows how to
bomb and invade but that's just another librul canard.
I think our support for the dictator of Pakistan
will end up with a Pakistan that is like the Taliban only worse for
us.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
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| User: "Fester" |
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16 Mar 2006 07:11:42 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:35:52 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday
Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a secret
meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of foreign
secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher Afghan on the
money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the members
of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the authenticity of the
information in their final report,” it said...
So you are saying that our ally, the country that Shrub has forgiven
for selling nuclear technology, a country that supports terrorism that
Shrub has ignored, may well have had more to do with 9/11? Do you
think that Shrub will do anything about this or will he still turn a
blind eye to Pakistan?
Pakistan is in the same category as the Saudis. Yeah we know they're
scum, but while they're helping us out we're better off using them than not.
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18 Mar 2006 12:16:22 AM |
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Fester wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:35:52 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The
Friday Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a
secret meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of
foreign secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher
Afghan on the money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the
members of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the
authenticity of the information in their final report,” it said...
So you are saying that our ally, the country that Shrub has forgiven
for selling nuclear technology, a country that supports terrorism that
Shrub has ignored, may well have had more to do with 9/11? Do you
think that Shrub will do anything about this or will he still turn a
blind eye to Pakistan?
Pakistan is in the same category as the Saudis. Yeah we know they're
scum, but while they're helping us out we're better off using them than
not.
You know, that's called hypocrisy.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Fester" |
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18 Mar 2006 05:51:30 AM |
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Olrik wrote:
Fester wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:35:52 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The
Friday Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a
secret meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of
foreign secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher
Afghan on the money paid to lobbyists.
“The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the
members of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the
authenticity of the information in their final report,” it said...
So you are saying that our ally, the country that Shrub has forgiven
for selling nuclear technology, a country that supports terrorism that
Shrub has ignored, may well have had more to do with 9/11? Do you
think that Shrub will do anything about this or will he still turn a
blind eye to Pakistan?
Pakistan is in the same category as the Saudis. Yeah we know they're
scum, but while they're helping us out we're better off using them
than not.
You know, that's called hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy as a useful tool of diplomacy.
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16 Mar 2006 05:04:42 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:35:52 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns9788B30BC64Ffstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
Pakistan weekly spills 9/11 beans
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of
thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan
references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The
Friday Times has claimed.
The Pakistani weekly said its story is based on disclosures made by
foreign service officials to the Public Accounts Committee at a
secret meeting in Islamabad on Tuesday.
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to
prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
The magazine said the PAC grilled officials in the presence of
foreign secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan and special secretary Sher
Afghan on the money paid to lobbyists.
"The disclosure sheds doubt on the integrity and honesty of the
members of the 9/11 inquiry commission and, above all, the
authenticity of the information in their final report," it said...
So you are saying that our ally, the country that Shrub has forgiven
for selling nuclear technology, a country that supports terrorism that
Shrub has ignored, may well have had more to do with 9/11? Do you
think that Shrub will do anything about this or will he still turn a
blind eye to Pakistan?
I remember on 9/11, I was listening to the radio, and they said something
about Pakistan being involved and mentioned a possible military strike
against Pakistan. I never heard another word about it.
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