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"The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile" |
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16 Jan 2005 05:32:39 PM |
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Parent sues school district |
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-12912026c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
By Laurel Rosen -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Sunday, January 16, 2005
The parent who tried unsuccessfully to introduce anti-evolution
material into Roseville biology classrooms has filed a lawsuit
against the high school district.
Larry Caldwell, a lawyer and parent of a Granite Bay High School
student, filed suit this week in a Sacramento federal court
against the Roseville Joint Union High School District and several
of its employees.
Caldwell alleges that school officials violated his rights to free
speech, equal protection and religious freedom in the process of
responding to his proposed "Quality Science Education Policy" and
related instructional materials.
"A parent or other citizen ought to be able to come before the
school board with a proposal and have that proposal considered on
its merits and not have their civil rights violated in the
process," Caldwell said in an interview.
"You ought to be able to bring a proposal without being treated
differently because they don't like what you're saying, or they
don't like your religious beliefs."
Caldwell's proposed policy asked teachers to "help students
analyze the scientific strengths and weaknesses" of evolution. The
written and video materials he proposed using challenged Charles
Darwin's theory with examples that raised questions about fossil
evidence and posited that similarities between species - such as
having five digits on each limb - do not necessarily indicate a
common ancestor.
During his yearlong attempt to change the way evolution is taught,
Caldwell says, school officials prevented meaningful consideration
of his proposals by refusing to put the policy on the board's
agenda, defaming him in public meetings and failing to provide a
clear procedure for his requests.
Not so, says school board President Jim Joiner.
Joiner said Caldwell's proposal received ample attention from the
board, district officials and science teachers.
"I believe we discussed Mr. Caldwell's proposal at eight separate
meetings," Joiner said. "If he is alleging that he was denied an
opportunity to be heard, I'm surprised."
Joiner said he had not yet reviewed the suit but that he's
confident the district "acted properly and legally."
Caldwell said his lawsuit names the school district along with six
individuals: Joiner, trustee Jan Pinney, Superintendent Tony
Monetti, Assistant Superintendent Steven Lawrence, Assistant
Superintendent Don Genasci and Granite Bay High School Principal
Ron Severson.
District officials declined to comment.
In June, the school board voted 3-2 to reject Caldwell's policy
proposal. The issue became a point of discussion among school
board candidates in the run-up to November's election. The
candidates voters elected - Pinney, Paige Stauss and Garry
Genzlinger - said they wanted the board to move away from a focus
on contentious social issues.
"Based on statements made by the members of the school board
during the election, it was clear to me that a majority of the
board right now would not be open to considering the QSE
proposal," Caldwell said.
He said he feels a lawsuit is the only way to achieve his goal of
transforming science instruction in the Roseville district.
"I spent a year negotiating with people at all levels in the
district and got absolutely nowhere. ... It would be a futile
effort to try again. I felt litigation was the only option other
than just accepting the status quo."
About the writer:
The Bee's Laurel Rosen can be reached at (916) 773-7631 or
lrosen@sacbee.com
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http://lastliberal.org
It's OK to be a christian as long as you don't practice christianity. -
jonny vee
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Jan 2005 12:18:12 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-12912026c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Parent sues school district |
17 Jan 2005 12:25:42 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:0v0mu097qgbtbsnkdff6fgjn1ncd6665ia@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-129
12026c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
He's a Christian. The right to violate your rights is one of his rights.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
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| Title: Re: Parent sues school district |
17 Jan 2005 03:58:53 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:0v0mu097qgbtbsnkdff6fgjn1ncd6665ia@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-129
12026c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
He's a Christian. The right to violate your rights is one of his rights.
Many Christians use a non-standard definition of persecution:
"not being allowed to use force of government to impose my
religious beliefs on everyone else"
Best, Marc
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| User: "Tom McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Parent sues school district |
17 Jan 2005 01:30:53 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:0v0mu097qgbtbsnkdff6fgjn1ncd6665ia@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-129
12026c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
He's a Christian. The right to violate your rights is one of his rights.
I don't agree. Well, some Christians believe that God has
given them the duty to ride roughshod over anything they think
wrong in the service of Truth (tm). But I think this situation
springs from another source: intoxication.
I think this parent's argument comes from a peculiar substances
imbibed by some Americans. They collide the right to free
expression with the essential equality of every person under the
law in a vacuum inside a fuzzyandwishfulthinkingotron, creating
the Myideasarejustasgoodandasvalidasanyoneelse's particle.
A few years' production of this particle, titrated into
communion wine (or grape juice, your choice), can result in an
altered state of consciousness that blinds the imbiber to
essential distinctions in categories of school curricula.
This person is drunk. Unfortunately, it's a long-lasting high,
and can be extremely resistant to detox.
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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17 Jan 2005 06:12:09 AM |
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Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@nohormelcharter.net.lga.highwinds-media.com>
wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:0v0mu097qgbtbsnkdff6fgjn1ncd6665ia@4ax.com:
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
He's a Christian. The right to violate your rights is one of his rights.
I don't agree. Well, some Christians believe that God has
given them the duty to ride roughshod over anything they think
wrong in the service of Truth (tm). But I think this situation
springs from another source: intoxication.
Amusing, but the toxic substance they inbibe isn't alcohol, it's
willful ignorance.
The Mormon cult tells its followers that the United States is going
to be wiped out in many ways (and with Bush fuckig us over, they're
right) but they also tell their followers that the people of America
will ask Mormon clergy to step in and take over the government.
They actually tell their followers that the gods decree that the
Mormon cult leaders will wind up being _asked_ to "save" America.
So the Creationist kooks we see so much of are just a few percent
of the total insane kooks out there who are absolutely fucked.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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17 Jan 2005 02:30:12 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-12912026c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
For that matter, whence the notion at an individual parent has an
inherent "right" to change what a public school teaches?
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Alan Jeffery" |
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17 Jan 2005 02:47:02 AM |
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"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:csf7vj$64p$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-129120
26c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
For that matter, whence the notion at an individual parent has an
inherent "right" to change what a public school teaches?
Hey, it's a right. When you are right, everyone else is wrong. So it is
right, to impose your rights on the evil ones.
Alan Jeffery
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Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Jan 2005 05:48:55 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:47:02 +1300, "Alan Jeffery"
<observa_no_spam@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:csf7vj$64p$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-129120
26c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
For that matter, whence the notion at an individual parent has an
inherent "right" to change what a public school teaches?
Hey, it's a right. When you are right, everyone else is wrong. So it is
right, to impose your rights on the evil ones.
What is pathetic, is that in any other developed country it would be
laughed out of the lowest court as frivolous, and he would have to pay
the legal and court costs of both parties.
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| User: "catshark" |
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17 Jan 2005 12:09:57 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:48:55 -0500, "Christopher A. Lee"
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:47:02 +1300, "Alan Jeffery"
<observa_no_spam@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:csf7vj$64p$2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-129120
26c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
For that matter, whence the notion at an individual parent has an
inherent "right" to change what a public school teaches?
Hey, it's a right. When you are right, everyone else is wrong. So it is
right, to impose your rights on the evil ones.
What is pathetic, is that in any other developed country it would be
laughed out of the lowest court as frivolous, and he would have to pay
the legal and court costs of both parties.
He has sued in Federal court and, if his suit is a frivolous as it appears
on the surface, he may well have to pay the legal fees of the defendants.
--
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J. Pieret
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A concise definition of legal ethics:
" . . . having been bought a lawyer is supposed to stay bought."
-- Louann Miller --
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| User: "The Last Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile" |
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17 Jan 2005 01:31:02 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:18:12 -0500, "Christopher A. Lee"
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-12912026c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
I'll be damned if I can figure that out. If I attend this person's
cult and stand up during the sermon and deliver my own lecture on
science and evolutionary theory, I am very sure that I will be
thrown out and perhaps the police would be called to carry me
away. According to this nut, I would have grounds to sue his cult
because I have a right to "free speech" and "expression of
religion."
---
http://lastliberal.org
"America is under the judgment of God. And if we are ever going to rebuild
this country, it must be under God's law. Our goal must be simple: We must
have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the Ten Commandments. No
apologies." -- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, address to "Cities of
Refuge" campaign, Willoughby Hills, OH, July, 1993
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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17 Jan 2005 01:38:27 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:18:12 -0500, "Christopher A. Lee"
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:32:39 GMT, (The Last
Liberal / ShyDavid / Desertphile) wrote:
alt.atheism.holysmoke,alt.atheism,talk.origins
http://www.sacbee.com/content/community_news/placer/story/12042011p-12912026c.html
Parent sues school district
He says his civil rights were violated when he tried to change
evolution teachings.
How the heck is refusing to let him impose his religion in science
classes, violating his civil rights?
When a Christian demands that Christianity is "under attack,"
always without fail if you look at what they're complaining
about, they're complaining about not being able to violate
the law or the rights of others.
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