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"J Young" |
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18 Feb 2005 05:41:15 PM |
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Parental consent urged for abortions |
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
Parental consent urged for abortions
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
R-Weatherford.
"Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about abortion,"
King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents being involved and
having the authority to make decisions about medical procedures given
to their kids."
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
18 Feb 2005 06:14:32 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
And you're qualified to comment on "sanity" because...?
LC~ "J/IBen" wouldn't know sanity if it came up and introduced itself in one
of his drug-induced stupors.
"Shut you pie-hole. You're wrecking my hash buzz."
From: (IBen Getiner AKA JYoung)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Subject: Re: Ignore my last post.
Date: 10 Mar 2004 21:12:31 -0800
Message-ID: <6ba61564.0403102112.4b88f11f@posting.google.com>
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
18 Feb 2005 07:19:51 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
Do refresh my memory, when was the last time my fair State led the nation
towards sanity?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
Parental consent urged for abortions
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
R-Weatherford.
"Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about abortion,"
King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents being involved and
having the authority to make decisions about medical procedures given
to their kids."
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's private
affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government interference.
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| User: "Sergeant America" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
18 Feb 2005 09:23:26 PM |
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Dale wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
Do refresh my memory, when was the last time my fair State led the nation
towards sanity?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
Parental consent urged for abortions
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
R-Weatherford.
"Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about abortion,"
King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents being involved and
having the authority to make decisions about medical procedures given
to their kids."
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's private
affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government interference.
Then you don't understand the issue properly.
Minors don't have the same rights as adults. Consent is required for
other body- or life-altering procedures, including tattoos and
piercings. Abortion is clearly a far more serious undertaking than
those.
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as to say
that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion without you
knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
19 Feb 2005 01:17:12 AM |
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"Sergeant America" <blah@blah.blah> wrote in message
news:4216B12E.247A65F8@blah.blah...
Dale wrote:
[...]
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's private
affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government
interference.
Then you don't understand the issue properly.
Minors don't have the same rights as adults. Consent is required for
other body- or life-altering procedures, including tattoos and
piercings. Abortion is clearly a far more serious undertaking than
those.
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as to say
that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion without you
knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
Careful now, that chip on your shoulder is looking a mite unbalanced.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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19 Feb 2005 08:15:28 AM |
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"Sergeant America" <blah@blah.blah> wrote in message
news:4216B12E.247A65F8@blah.blah...
Dale wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
Do refresh my memory, when was the last time my fair State led the nation
towards sanity?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
Parental consent urged for abortions
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
R-Weatherford.
"Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about abortion,"
King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents being involved and
having the authority to make decisions about medical procedures given
to their kids."
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's private
affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government
interference.
Then you don't understand the issue properly.
Minors don't have the same rights as adults. Consent is required for
other body- or life-altering procedures, including tattoos and
piercings. Abortion is clearly a far more serious undertaking than
those.
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as to say
that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion without you
knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
Yeah sure you be under 18 and tell your parents you've got yourself knocked
up. It's not like they'd do something like throw you out of the house or
beat the living daylights out of you is it?
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| User: "There She Was Just A-Clayton Down The Street..." |
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19 Feb 2005 05:44:35 PM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote in message
news:cv7hm0$cq2$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
"Sergeant America" <blah@blah.blah> wrote in message
news:4216B12E.247A65F8@blah.blah...
Dale wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
Do refresh my memory, when was the last time my fair State led the
nation
towards sanity?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
Parental consent urged for abortions
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
R-Weatherford.
"Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about
abortion,"
King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents being involved
and
having the authority to make decisions about medical procedures given
to their kids."
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's private
affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government
interference.
Then you don't understand the issue properly.
Minors don't have the same rights as adults. Consent is required for
other body- or life-altering procedures, including tattoos and
piercings. Abortion is clearly a far more serious undertaking than
those.
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as to say
that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion without you
knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
Yeah sure you be under 18 and tell your parents you've got yourself
knocked
up. It's not like they'd do something like throw you out of the house or
beat the living daylights out of you is it?
That's the Christian thing to do!!!!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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21 Feb 2005 06:40:08 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:15:28 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> said in alt.atheism:
Yeah sure you be under 18 and tell your parents you've got yourself knocked
up. It's not like they'd do something like throw you out of the house or
beat the living daylights out of you is it?
In Texas? Surely you jest. "OR"?
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
20 Feb 2005 12:41:00 AM |
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Sergeant America wrote:
Dale wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
Do refresh my memory, when was the last time my fair State led the
nation
towards sanity?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
Parental consent urged for abortions
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their
parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil
King,
R-Weatherford.
"Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about
abortion,"
King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents being
involved and
having the authority to make decisions about medical procedures
given
to their kids."
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's
private
affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government
interference.
Then you don't understand the issue properly.
Minors don't have the same rights as adults. Consent is required for
other body- or life-altering procedures, including tattoos and
piercings. Abortion is clearly a far more serious undertaking than
those.
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as to
say
that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion without
you
knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
I would expect my daughter to come to us for support and advice. In
fact, I would be astonished if she ever gets pregnant before she's
ready.
It is my observation that kids who cannot apporach their parents in
times of trouble usually have good reasons to do this.
Are you saying that in this situation, *your daughter would only
approach you if forced by law? Do you really think that's a good time
to establish good relations with a teenager; or that such an attempt is
likely to be successful?
Kermit
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| User: "L Alpert" |
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20 Feb 2005 10:29:27 AM |
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Sergeant America wrote:
Dale wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
Do refresh my memory, when was the last time my fair State led the
nation towards sanity?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
Parental consent urged for abortions
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil
King, R-Weatherford.
"Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about
abortion," King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents
being involved and having the authority to make decisions about
medical procedures given to their kids."
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's
private affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less
government interference.
Then you don't understand the issue properly.
Minors don't have the same rights as adults. Consent is required for
other body- or life-altering procedures, including tattoos and
piercings. Abortion is clearly a far more serious undertaking than
those.
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as to
say that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion
without you knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
I would expect my daughter to come to us for support and advice. In
fact, I would be astonished if she ever gets pregnant before she's
ready.
It is my observation that kids who cannot apporach their parents in
times of trouble usually have good reasons to do this.
Are you saying that in this situation, *your daughter would only
approach you if forced by law? Do you really think that's a good time
to establish good relations with a teenager; or that such an attempt
is likely to be successful?
Kermit
Well said. Open discussion and trust cannot be replaced.
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Feb 2005 03:16:24 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:29:27 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Sergeant America wrote:
Dale wrote:
[]
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as to
say that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion
without you knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
I would expect my daughter to come to us for support and advice. In
fact, I would be astonished if she ever gets pregnant before she's
ready.
It is my observation that kids who cannot apporach their parents in
times of trouble usually have good reasons to do this.
Are you saying that in this situation, *your daughter would only
approach you if forced by law? Do you really think that's a good time
to establish good relations with a teenager; or that such an attempt
is likely to be successful?
Kermit
Well said. Open discussion and trust cannot be replaced.
My wife's indicated oldest daughter and her boyfriend have discussed
sex, and that she's indicated she isn't ready for that yet. That's
her determination and decision.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "L Alpert" |
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22 Feb 2005 10:46:58 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:29:27 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Sergeant America wrote:
Dale wrote:
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If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as to
say that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion
without you knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
I would expect my daughter to come to us for support and advice. In
fact, I would be astonished if she ever gets pregnant before she's
ready.
It is my observation that kids who cannot apporach their parents in
times of trouble usually have good reasons to do this.
Are you saying that in this situation, *your daughter would only
approach you if forced by law? Do you really think that's a good
time to establish good relations with a teenager; or that such an
attempt is likely to be successful?
Kermit
Well said. Open discussion and trust cannot be replaced.
My wife's indicated oldest daughter and her boyfriend have discussed
sex, and that she's indicated she isn't ready for that yet. That's
her determination and decision.
Good decisions come from intelligent minds.
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Feb 2005 01:10:16 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:46:58 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:29:27 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Sergeant America wrote:
Dale wrote:
[]
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as to
say that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion
without you knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
I would expect my daughter to come to us for support and advice. In
fact, I would be astonished if she ever gets pregnant before she's
ready.
It is my observation that kids who cannot apporach their parents in
times of trouble usually have good reasons to do this.
Are you saying that in this situation, *your daughter would only
approach you if forced by law? Do you really think that's a good
time to establish good relations with a teenager; or that such an
attempt is likely to be successful?
Kermit
Well said. Open discussion and trust cannot be replaced.
My wife's indicated oldest daughter and her boyfriend have discussed
sex, and that she's indicated she isn't ready for that yet. That's
her determination and decision.
Good decisions come from intelligent minds.
And education. She scares the daylights out of her peers.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "L Alpert" |
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23 Feb 2005 09:09:05 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:46:58 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:29:27 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Sergeant America wrote:
Dale wrote:
[]
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as
to say that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion
without you knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
I would expect my daughter to come to us for support and advice.
In fact, I would be astonished if she ever gets pregnant before
she's ready.
It is my observation that kids who cannot apporach their parents
in times of trouble usually have good reasons to do this.
Are you saying that in this situation, *your daughter would only
approach you if forced by law? Do you really think that's a good
time to establish good relations with a teenager; or that such an
attempt is likely to be successful?
Kermit
Well said. Open discussion and trust cannot be replaced.
My wife's indicated oldest daughter and her boyfriend have discussed
sex, and that she's indicated she isn't ready for that yet. That's
her determination and decision.
Good decisions come from intelligent minds.
And education. She scares the daylights out of her peers.
If she scares them, maybe it's because they realize they may not really be
her peers......
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Feb 2005 03:41:00 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:09:05 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:46:58 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:29:27 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Sergeant America wrote:
Dale wrote:
[]
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far as
to say that if you're happy with your daughter having an abortion
without you knowing then you're clearly showing negligence.
I would expect my daughter to come to us for support and advice.
In fact, I would be astonished if she ever gets pregnant before
she's ready.
It is my observation that kids who cannot apporach their parents
in times of trouble usually have good reasons to do this.
Are you saying that in this situation, *your daughter would only
approach you if forced by law? Do you really think that's a good
time to establish good relations with a teenager; or that such an
attempt is likely to be successful?
Kermit
Well said. Open discussion and trust cannot be replaced.
My wife's indicated oldest daughter and her boyfriend have discussed
sex, and that she's indicated she isn't ready for that yet. That's
her determination and decision.
Good decisions come from intelligent minds.
And education. She scares the daylights out of her peers.
If she scares them, maybe it's because they realize they may not really be
her peers......
Peers as in age group.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "L Alpert" |
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24 Feb 2005 09:41:39 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:09:05 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:46:58 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:29:27 -0800, "L Alpert"
<alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Sergeant America wrote:
Dale wrote:
[]
If you're a parent (and I hope you aren't) then I'd go so far
as to say that if you're happy with your daughter having an
abortion without you knowing then you're clearly showing
negligence.
I would expect my daughter to come to us for support and advice.
In fact, I would be astonished if she ever gets pregnant before
she's ready.
It is my observation that kids who cannot apporach their parents
in times of trouble usually have good reasons to do this.
Are you saying that in this situation, *your daughter would only
approach you if forced by law? Do you really think that's a
good time to establish good relations with a teenager; or that
such an attempt is likely to be successful?
Kermit
Well said. Open discussion and trust cannot be replaced.
My wife's indicated oldest daughter and her boyfriend have
discussed sex, and that she's indicated she isn't ready for that
yet. That's her determination and decision.
Good decisions come from intelligent minds.
And education. She scares the daylights out of her peers.
If she scares them, maybe it's because they realize they may not
really be her peers......
Peers as in age group.
Fair generalization. I was speaking of maturity and intelligence.
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Feb 2005 11:54:09 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:41:39 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:09:05 -0800, "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxgmail.com>
wrote:
[]
Good decisions come from intelligent minds.
And education. She scares the daylights out of her peers.
If she scares them, maybe it's because they realize they may not
really be her peers......
Peers as in age group.
Fair generalization. I was speaking of maturity and intelligence.
Yes. Which is why I clarified further.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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20 Feb 2005 12:37:34 AM |
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Dale wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
Do refresh my memory, when was the last time my fair State led the
nation
towards sanity?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
Parental consent urged for abortions
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil
King,
R-Weatherford.
"Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about
abortion,"
King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents being involved
and
having the authority to make decisions about medical procedures
given
to their kids."
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's private
affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government
interference.
Then clearly you don't understand the situation.
Neocons are for less government interference of *business. They have
never hesitated to interfere with private citizens' lives.
Kermit
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| User: "The Real Riain" |
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19 Feb 2005 12:28:56 AM |
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Just a wild guess, but 1845?
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:XuwRd.32971$wi2.14284@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
: news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: > Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
:
: Do refresh my memory, when was the last time my fair State led the
nation
: towards sanity?
:
: > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
: >
: >
: > Parental consent urged for abortions
: >
: > Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
: >
: > AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
: > permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
: > R-Weatherford.
: >
: > "Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about
abortion,"
: > King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents being involved
and
: > having the authority to make decisions about medical procedures
given
: > to their kids."
:
: Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's private
: affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government
interference.
:
:
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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21 Feb 2005 06:39:14 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:19:51 GMT, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's private
affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government interference.
Less interference in the lives of those who matter, not the common
people. They have to be bred. Simple situation of supply and demand.
The more of them there are, the cheaper they are.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
23 Feb 2005 01:09:18 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:34:08 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
Dale wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Once again, Texas leads the nation towards sanity.
Do refresh my memory, when was the last time my fair State led the nation
towards sanity?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3045585
Parental consent urged for abortions
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
R-Weatherford.
"Forget how you feel about abortion, this really isn't about abortion,"
King said Thursday. "It's about families and parents being involved and
having the authority to make decisions about medical procedures given
to their kids."
Sounds more like it's about the State interfering in people's private
affairs. And I thought conservatives were for less government interference.
It should be made illegal to drink, smoke and be exposed to religious
indoctrination below the age of sixteen.
I agree.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
19 Feb 2005 12:59:47 PM |
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In article <1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
R-Weatherford.
Would they also have to get parental permission to give birth? If not,
why not?
What if the parental permission for either abortion or birth (the girl's
choice) be denied? Could she still go ahead and have an abortion or give
birth despite her parents?
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| User: "moorehead" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
21 Feb 2005 09:46:13 AM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
Proposal would require girls under 18 to get approval
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil
King,
R-Weatherford.
Would they also have to get parental permission to give birth? If
not,
why not?
Should a minor need parental permission to have breast implants? If
not, why not?
What if the parental permission for either abortion or birth (the
girl's
choice) be denied? Could she still go ahead and have an abortion or
give
birth despite her parents?
The child is a minor - the parent decides.
mj
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
21 Feb 2005 01:41:55 PM |
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In article <1109000773.049208.36560@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
moorehead_johnson@hotmail.com says...
What if the parental permission for either abortion or birth (the
girl's
choice) be denied? Could she still go ahead and have an abortion or
give
birth despite her parents?
The child is a minor - the parent decides.
Even if the parents decide her pregnancy should be aborted?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
22 Feb 2005 03:18:41 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:41:55 -0000, Pat Winstanley
<boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1109000773.049208.36560@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
moorehead_johnson@hotmail.com says...
What if the parental permission for either abortion or birth (the
girl's
choice) be denied? Could she still go ahead and have an abortion or
give
birth despite her parents?
The child is a minor - the parent decides.
Even if the parents decide her pregnancy should be aborted?
/cue open mouthed astonishment and sputtering.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Neal Atkins" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
21 Feb 2005 03:50:16 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:41:55 -0000, Pat Winstanley
<boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
What if the parental permission for either abortion or birth (the
girl's
choice) be denied? Could she still go ahead and have an abortion or
give
birth despite her parents?
The child is a minor - the parent decides.
Even if the parents decide her pregnancy should be aborted?
How about if the parents force her to have the baby and then sell it?
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| User: "moorehead" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
22 Feb 2005 11:02:10 PM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <1109000773.049208.36560@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
moorehead_johnson@hotmail.com says...
What if the parental permission for either abortion or birth (the
girl's
choice) be denied? Could she still go ahead and have an abortion
or
give
birth despite her parents?
The child is a minor - the parent decides.
Even if the parents decide her pregnancy should be aborted?
Of course. Parents decide surgical procedures for their children...the
children certainly don't.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
21 Feb 2005 06:49:09 PM |
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In news:1108770075.914839.312040@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
R-Weatherford.
Is this ->really needed? Can a minor have ->any kind of elective surgery
without a parent or legal guardian's permission?
I don't think a kid can wander into a hospital and ask for a
tonsillectomy, even if he could pay for it.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
22 Feb 2005 06:36:39 PM |
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In article <Xns9604BF774138AVeebleFetzer@209.98.13.60>,
says...
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil King,
R-Weatherford.
Is this ->really needed? Can a minor have ->any kind of elective surgery
without a parent or legal guardian's permission?
I don't think a kid can wander into a hospital and ask for a
tonsillectomy, even if he could pay for it.
In the UK a minor can make their own decisions about medical treatment
if the doctor is satisfied they understand the risks and benefits and
are mature enough to decide for themselves:
http://confidential.oxfordradcliffe.net/Gillick
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/contraception_underage.shtml
http://www.medicineweekly.ie/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=226
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| User: "moorehead" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
23 Feb 2005 10:07:39 AM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <Xns9604BF774138AVeebleFetzer@209.98.13.60>,
says...
AUSTIN - Girls under age 18 would be required to get their
parents'
permission to have an abortion under a bill filed by Rep. Phil
King,
R-Weatherford.
Is this ->really needed? Can a minor have ->any kind of elective
surgery
without a parent or legal guardian's permission?
I don't think a kid can wander into a hospital and ask for a
tonsillectomy, even if he could pay for it.
In the UK a minor can make their own decisions about medical
treatment
if the doctor is satisfied they understand the risks and benefits and
are mature enough to decide for themselves:
http://confidential.oxfordradcliffe.net/Gillick
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/contraception_underage.shtml
http://www.medicineweekly.ie/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=226
Your links all appear to be about contraception - that's quite a
different thing than an invasive surgical procedure, innit love?
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Parental consent urged for abortions |
23 Feb 2005 05:52:28 PM |
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In article <1109174859.377967.287350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
moorehead_johnson@hotmail.com says...
In the UK a minor can make their own decisions about medical
treatment
if the doctor is satisfied they understand the risks and benefits and
are mature enough to decide for themselves:
http://confidential.oxfordradcliffe.net/Gillick
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/contraception_underage.shtml
http://www.medicineweekly.ie/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=226
Your links all appear to be about contraception - that's quite a
different thing than an invasive surgical procedure, innit love?
They are only about contraception because it happened to be about
prescribing the contraceptive pill to under 16s (under the age of
consent) that the original Gillick case was about.
After the ruling of that case the principle (of competent minors) was in
place for *all* medical (inc surgical) procedures.
If you look at this from the third link you can see that the effect of
the ruling is much, much wider than *just* contraception:
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The Court’s decision and the reasoning upon which it was based
By a majority decision, the House of Lords found in favour of the health
authority on the basis that parental rights were limited and that the
imposition of a strict age rule failed to take into account the growing
understanding of the minor.
The majority decision
Lord Scarman stated that the parental right yields to the child’s right
to make his/her own decision when they reach a sufficient understanding
and intelligence to be capable of making up his/her own mind in the
matter requiring a decision.(1)
“As a matter of law, the parental right to determine whether or not
their minor child below the age of 16 will have medical treatment
terminates if and when the child achieves a sufficient understanding and
intelligence to fully understand what is proposed.”(2)
Furthermore, the assessment of the competence of the individual minor to
consent must involve, not only an evaluation of whether he/she
understands the nature of the advice being given, but also whether the
patient has sufficient maturity to understand what is involved.(3)
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Bear in mind also that abortion may be either surgical or by medication,
the latter not involving phisical invation by the doctor. Also bear in
mind that an ordinary surgical abortion is no more invasive that some
routine forms of contraceptive insertion/removal.
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