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User: "J Young"
Date: 02 Jan 2006 04:28:50 PM
Object: Parental Rights Stop Here
Parental Rights Stop Here
Homosexuals in their bedrooms have more rights under the Constitution than
parents in their children's public schools.
by Tom Hess
Someone should have warned parents of first-, third- or fifth-graders at
Mesquite Elementary School in Parkdale, Calif., last fall that they were
surrendering control of their children's sex education once the kids entered
the schoolhouse doors.
That surprise awaited them in November, when a three-judge panel of the
notoriously liberal 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco-the
same court that said the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional because of
its reference to God-ruled that "there is no fundamental right of parents to
be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their
children."
The ruling arose from a case involving children who told their parents that
they were asked to discuss sexual issues. Among them:
Touching my private parts too much
Thinking about having sex
Thinking about touching other people's private parts
Thinking about sex when I don't want to
Washing myself because I feel dirty on the inside
Not trusting people because they might want sex
Getting scared or upset when I think about sex
Having sex feelings in my body
Can't stop thinking about sex
Getting upset when people talk about sex
The questions were part of a survey performed by a graduate student, Kristi
Seymour of the School of Professional Psychology, the Children's Bureau of
Southern California. With the school's permission, Seymour mailed a parental
consent letter in a school district envelope. The letter told parents that
their children would be asked questions about "early trauma (for example,
violence)," questions that may make the child "feel uncomfortable."
Among those who received the letters and later filed suit against the school
were James and Tammany Fields, Stuart and Kathleen Haberman, Robert and
Kathie Hoaglin, and Vanessa Shetler. They told the school that they weren't
aware that the survey would include sexual questions until their children
reported it to them, and that if they had known beforehand, they would not
have consented.
No matter, the 9th Circuit said. Among its messages to parents:
'No constitutional right'
"Schools cannot be expected to accommodate the personal, moral or religious
concerns of every parent. . We conclude only that the parents are possessed
of no constitutional right to prevent the public schools from providing
information on that subject to their students in any forum or manner they
select."
'Whatever the school wishes'
"Parents have a right to inform their children when and as they wish on the
subject of sex; they have no constitutional right, however, to prevent a
public school from providing its students with whatever information it
wishes to provide, sexual or otherwise, when and as the school determines
that it is appropriate to do so."
'The parents ... selected the school'
"Indeed, it was only because the parents had selected the school they did
that their children were asked the questions to which the parents objected."
'Our evolving . Constitution'
"In its earliest formulation, the right to privacy was used essentially to
protect the family structure. Courts have since found, however, that the
right to privacy also protects important parental decisions such as whether
to bear children, who has control over children, and other decisions related
to procreative autonomy [contraception and abortion]. It also encompasses a
right of sexual intimacy [such as homosexual sodomy]. We cannot overstate
the significance of these rights. They symbolize the importance of our
evolving understanding of the nature of our Constitution."
Now what?
In one of California's most liberal cities, Robin Strom fears the worst. She
's executive director of the Pregnancy Resource Center in Novato, and she
expects that parents there will fight to secure their right to guide their
children's public school education, including electing school board members
who will honor parental authority.
"One of things about Novato is that parents are really involved," she said.
"They will take this and really get upset about it."
Derek Coyle, an Irish immigrant and parent of a middle-school student in
Novato, says the ruling is a result of judicial arrogance, but also the
consequence of family breakdown.
"With so many broken families, schools become surrogate families, and
teachers and administrators assume the role of family," he said. "They think
they have a duty, misguided as it is, to teach sexual education, even to the
point of being against the parent. They assume they have a high moral
authority over parental rights."
The parents in Palmdale have decided to appeal the 9th Circuit ruling, with
help from Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel in Orlando, Fla.
"The parents feel like their children were mentally raped," he said.
"Americans will be stunned to learn that parental rights stop at the
threshold of the school door. The court said that the only constitutional
restriction is that the school may not commit treason. Such a ruling is
unthinkable!"
--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
.

User: "No One"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 02 Jan 2006 09:34:09 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

Parental Rights Stop Here
Homosexuals in their bedrooms have more rights under the Constitution than
parents in their children's public schools.

by Tom Hess

Someone should have warned parents of first-, third- or fifth-graders at
Mesquite Elementary School in Parkdale, Calif., last fall that they were
surrendering control of their children's sex education once the kids entered
the schoolhouse doors.

Somoene should have told Tom Hess that in U.S. cities, the school boards
consist of elected officials, and if they don't do what the majority of
the voters want, they can be booted out in the next election.
You did vote, didn't you? :-)
.

User: "gingerbeer25"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 03 Jan 2006 01:27:57 PM
Humans are sexual beings. If we don't teach our children about sex it
exposes them to sexually transmitted diseases, and unwanted pregnancy.
You cannot assume that they are being given that information at home.
Some parents are simply not comforable talking to their children about
sex. As with any other subject it is up to the parents to weigh in on
what their children are learning. If my child came home and told me
something I thought was incorrect that he learned in a history class I
would enlighten him. When children come home after learning about sex
in school parents can and should weigh in with their moral opinions and
add suplementary infomation. Our job as parents is not to hide things
from children but to guide them as they acquire knowledge. Like it or
not children will go through puberty and experince sexual feelings.
The process of maturing is difficult enough without ignorance of why
the body is changing and why sexuality is developing. We owe our
children honesty.
.

User: "Frank Arthur"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 02 Jan 2006 04:30:02 PM
If you were taught sex education you wouldn't remain the ignorant *****
you are J Young
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:I5udnd3SKvJsNSTeRVn-hw@giganews.com...

Parental Rights Stop Here
Homosexuals in their bedrooms have more rights under the Constitution than
parents in their children's public schools.

by Tom Hess


Someone should have warned parents of first-, third- or fifth-graders at
Mesquite Elementary School in Parkdale, Calif., last fall that they were
surrendering control of their children's sex education once the kids
entered
the schoolhouse doors.

That surprise awaited them in November, when a three-judge panel of the
notoriously liberal 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco-the
same court that said the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional because
of
its reference to God-ruled that "there is no fundamental right of parents
to
be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their
children."

The ruling arose from a case involving children who told their parents
that
they were asked to discuss sexual issues. Among them:

Touching my private parts too much

Thinking about having sex

Thinking about touching other people's private parts

Thinking about sex when I don't want to

Washing myself because I feel dirty on the inside

Not trusting people because they might want sex

Getting scared or upset when I think about sex

Having sex feelings in my body

Can't stop thinking about sex

Getting upset when people talk about sex

The questions were part of a survey performed by a graduate student,
Kristi
Seymour of the School of Professional Psychology, the Children's Bureau of
Southern California. With the school's permission, Seymour mailed a
parental
consent letter in a school district envelope. The letter told parents that
their children would be asked questions about "early trauma (for example,
violence)," questions that may make the child "feel uncomfortable."

Among those who received the letters and later filed suit against the
school
were James and Tammany Fields, Stuart and Kathleen Haberman, Robert and
Kathie Hoaglin, and Vanessa Shetler. They told the school that they
weren't
aware that the survey would include sexual questions until their children
reported it to them, and that if they had known beforehand, they would not
have consented.

No matter, the 9th Circuit said. Among its messages to parents:

'No constitutional right'

"Schools cannot be expected to accommodate the personal, moral or
religious
concerns of every parent. . We conclude only that the parents are
possessed
of no constitutional right to prevent the public schools from providing
information on that subject to their students in any forum or manner they
select."

'Whatever the school wishes'

"Parents have a right to inform their children when and as they wish on
the
subject of sex; they have no constitutional right, however, to prevent a
public school from providing its students with whatever information it
wishes to provide, sexual or otherwise, when and as the school determines
that it is appropriate to do so."

'The parents ... selected the school'

"Indeed, it was only because the parents had selected the school they did
that their children were asked the questions to which the parents
objected."

'Our evolving . Constitution'

"In its earliest formulation, the right to privacy was used essentially to
protect the family structure. Courts have since found, however, that the
right to privacy also protects important parental decisions such as
whether
to bear children, who has control over children, and other decisions
related
to procreative autonomy [contraception and abortion]. It also encompasses
a
right of sexual intimacy [such as homosexual sodomy]. We cannot overstate
the significance of these rights. They symbolize the importance of our
evolving understanding of the nature of our Constitution."

Now what?

In one of California's most liberal cities, Robin Strom fears the worst.
She
's executive director of the Pregnancy Resource Center in Novato, and she
expects that parents there will fight to secure their right to guide their
children's public school education, including electing school board
members
who will honor parental authority.

"One of things about Novato is that parents are really involved," she
said.
"They will take this and really get upset about it."

Derek Coyle, an Irish immigrant and parent of a middle-school student in
Novato, says the ruling is a result of judicial arrogance, but also the
consequence of family breakdown.

"With so many broken families, schools become surrogate families, and
teachers and administrators assume the role of family," he said. "They
think
they have a duty, misguided as it is, to teach sexual education, even to
the
point of being against the parent. They assume they have a high moral
authority over parental rights."

The parents in Palmdale have decided to appeal the 9th Circuit ruling,
with
help from Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel in Orlando, Fla.

"The parents feel like their children were mentally raped," he said.
"Americans will be stunned to learn that parental rights stop at the
threshold of the school door. The court said that the only constitutional
restriction is that the school may not commit treason. Such a ruling is
unthinkable!"










--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"


.
User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 02 Jan 2006 05:32:02 PM
in article nNhuf.75243$wq.70455@bignews7.bellsouth.net, Frank Arthur at
Art@Arthurian.com wrote on 1/2/06 5:30 PM:

If you were taught sex education you wouldn't remain the ignorant *****
you are J Young

It was his PARENTS who needed the education....
Paul
.


User: "Andrealphus"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 02 Jan 2006 04:32:13 PM
In News I5udnd3SKvJsNSTeRVn-hw@giganews.com,, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com, typed this:

Parental Rights Stop Here
Homosexuals in their bedrooms have more rights under the Constitution
than parents in their children's public schools.

Hey stupid, EVERYONE has more rights under the Constitution in their
bedrooms than they have in their children's public school.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
.

User: "Dionisio"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 02 Jan 2006 05:07:58 PM
J Young wrote:

Parental Rights Stop Here
Homosexuals in their bedrooms have more rights under the Constitution than
parents in their children's public schools.


"No Child Left Behind." If the parents aren't "Highly Qualified," then
they're part of the problem; According to no less than President Bush.
Oops.
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.

User: "Frank Arthur"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 02 Jan 2006 04:28:45 PM
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:44PM
Fla. Mom Charged With Son's Fatal Scalding
© 2006 The Associated Press
DEERFIELD BEACH, Fla. - A 3-year-old boy died after his mother held him in a
tub of scalding water as punishment on Christmas Day and his grandmother,
who had custody, failed to get him medical care for a week, authorities said
Monday. The mother had lost custody of the boy for previous abuse.
Broward County sheriff's deputies found Jaquez Mason with burns over 50
percent of his body after getting a 911 call Sunday morning. He was
pronounced dead a half hour later. It was unclear why he was punished,
spokesman Jim Leljedal said.
His mother, Valerie Kennedy, 30, was charged with child abuse murder and
jailed without bond. His grandmother, Annie Williams, 51, accused of failing
to take the boy for medical treatment, was charged with manslaughter and was
being held on $10,000 bond.
Deputies said a court had placed Jaquez in the custody of his grandmother
because of past abuse by the mother. Despite that, Williams allowed the boy
to spend Christmas with Kennedy, officials said.
That evening, Kennedy told Williams that Jaquez got burned, and Williams
took her grandson back to her Deerfield Beach home and applied ointment to
his burns, officials said.
Both women gave statements to homicide detectives, admitting their
involvement, officials said.
A man who answered the phone at the grandmother's house refused to talk
about the child or what happened. Court records did not list an attorney for
either woman.
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:I5udnd3SKvJsNSTeRVn-hw@giganews.com...

Parental Rights Stop Here
Homosexuals in their bedrooms have more rights under the Constitution than
parents in their children's public schools.

by Tom Hess


Someone should have warned parents of first-, third- or fifth-graders at
Mesquite Elementary School in Parkdale, Calif., last fall that they were
surrendering control of their children's sex education once the kids
entered
the schoolhouse doors.

That surprise awaited them in November, when a three-judge panel of the
notoriously liberal 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco-the
same court that said the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional because
of
its reference to God-ruled that "there is no fundamental right of parents
to
be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their
children."

The ruling arose from a case involving children who told their parents
that
they were asked to discuss sexual issues. Among them:

Touching my private parts too much

Thinking about having sex

Thinking about touching other people's private parts

Thinking about sex when I don't want to

Washing myself because I feel dirty on the inside

Not trusting people because they might want sex

Getting scared or upset when I think about sex

Having sex feelings in my body

Can't stop thinking about sex

Getting upset when people talk about sex

The questions were part of a survey performed by a graduate student,
Kristi
Seymour of the School of Professional Psychology, the Children's Bureau of
Southern California. With the school's permission, Seymour mailed a
parental
consent letter in a school district envelope. The letter told parents that
their children would be asked questions about "early trauma (for example,
violence)," questions that may make the child "feel uncomfortable."

Among those who received the letters and later filed suit against the
school
were James and Tammany Fields, Stuart and Kathleen Haberman, Robert and
Kathie Hoaglin, and Vanessa Shetler. They told the school that they
weren't
aware that the survey would include sexual questions until their children
reported it to them, and that if they had known beforehand, they would not
have consented.

No matter, the 9th Circuit said. Among its messages to parents:

'No constitutional right'

"Schools cannot be expected to accommodate the personal, moral or
religious
concerns of every parent. . We conclude only that the parents are
possessed
of no constitutional right to prevent the public schools from providing
information on that subject to their students in any forum or manner they
select."

'Whatever the school wishes'

"Parents have a right to inform their children when and as they wish on
the
subject of sex; they have no constitutional right, however, to prevent a
public school from providing its students with whatever information it
wishes to provide, sexual or otherwise, when and as the school determines
that it is appropriate to do so."

'The parents ... selected the school'

"Indeed, it was only because the parents had selected the school they did
that their children were asked the questions to which the parents
objected."

'Our evolving . Constitution'

"In its earliest formulation, the right to privacy was used essentially to
protect the family structure. Courts have since found, however, that the
right to privacy also protects important parental decisions such as
whether
to bear children, who has control over children, and other decisions
related
to procreative autonomy [contraception and abortion]. It also encompasses
a
right of sexual intimacy [such as homosexual sodomy]. We cannot overstate
the significance of these rights. They symbolize the importance of our
evolving understanding of the nature of our Constitution."

Now what?

In one of California's most liberal cities, Robin Strom fears the worst.
She
's executive director of the Pregnancy Resource Center in Novato, and she
expects that parents there will fight to secure their right to guide their
children's public school education, including electing school board
members
who will honor parental authority.

"One of things about Novato is that parents are really involved," she
said.
"They will take this and really get upset about it."

Derek Coyle, an Irish immigrant and parent of a middle-school student in
Novato, says the ruling is a result of judicial arrogance, but also the
consequence of family breakdown.

"With so many broken families, schools become surrogate families, and
teachers and administrators assume the role of family," he said. "They
think
they have a duty, misguided as it is, to teach sexual education, even to
the
point of being against the parent. They assume they have a high moral
authority over parental rights."

The parents in Palmdale have decided to appeal the 9th Circuit ruling,
with
help from Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel in Orlando, Fla.

"The parents feel like their children were mentally raped," he said.
"Americans will be stunned to learn that parental rights stop at the
threshold of the school door. The court said that the only constitutional
restriction is that the school may not commit treason. Such a ruling is
unthinkable!"










--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"


.

User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 02 Jan 2006 07:03:53 PM
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:28:50 -0500, J Young wrote:

Parental Rights Stop Here
Homosexuals in their bedrooms have more rights under the Constitution than
parents in their children's public schools.

by Tom Hess


Why would you assume that you have the right to dictate what gets taught
in a public school? If you don't want your kids educated in a secular
environment, you can send them to private school or home school them.
(However, they are going to find out sooner or later).
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
.

User: "Frank Arthur"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 02 Jan 2006 04:32:19 PM
Tell children nothing about sex. Just tr8ust the Priest when he takes you in
the back room to show you something?
Why do you think hundreds of Catholic children were molested or raped by
Priests?
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:I5udnd3SKvJsNSTeRVn-hw@giganews.com...

Parental Rights Stop Here
Homosexuals in their bedrooms have more rights under the Constitution than
parents in their children's public schools.

by Tom Hess


Someone should have warned parents of first-, third- or fifth-graders at
Mesquite Elementary School in Parkdale, Calif., last fall that they were
surrendering control of their children's sex education once the kids
entered
the schoolhouse doors.

That surprise awaited them in November, when a three-judge panel of the
notoriously liberal 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco-the
same court that said the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional because
of
its reference to God-ruled that "there is no fundamental right of parents
to
be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their
children."

The ruling arose from a case involving children who told their parents
that
they were asked to discuss sexual issues. Among them:

Touching my private parts too much

Thinking about having sex

Thinking about touching other people's private parts

Thinking about sex when I don't want to

Washing myself because I feel dirty on the inside

Not trusting people because they might want sex

Getting scared or upset when I think about sex

Having sex feelings in my body

Can't stop thinking about sex

Getting upset when people talk about sex

The questions were part of a survey performed by a graduate student,
Kristi
Seymour of the School of Professional Psychology, the Children's Bureau of
Southern California. With the school's permission, Seymour mailed a
parental
consent letter in a school district envelope. The letter told parents that
their children would be asked questions about "early trauma (for example,
violence)," questions that may make the child "feel uncomfortable."

Among those who received the letters and later filed suit against the
school
were James and Tammany Fields, Stuart and Kathleen Haberman, Robert and
Kathie Hoaglin, and Vanessa Shetler. They told the school that they
weren't
aware that the survey would include sexual questions until their children
reported it to them, and that if they had known beforehand, they would not
have consented.

No matter, the 9th Circuit said. Among its messages to parents:

'No constitutional right'

"Schools cannot be expected to accommodate the personal, moral or
religious
concerns of every parent. . We conclude only that the parents are
possessed
of no constitutional right to prevent the public schools from providing
information on that subject to their students in any forum or manner they
select."

'Whatever the school wishes'

"Parents have a right to inform their children when and as they wish on
the
subject of sex; they have no constitutional right, however, to prevent a
public school from providing its students with whatever information it
wishes to provide, sexual or otherwise, when and as the school determines
that it is appropriate to do so."

'The parents ... selected the school'

"Indeed, it was only because the parents had selected the school they did
that their children were asked the questions to which the parents
objected."

'Our evolving . Constitution'

"In its earliest formulation, the right to privacy was used essentially to
protect the family structure. Courts have since found, however, that the
right to privacy also protects important parental decisions such as
whether
to bear children, who has control over children, and other decisions
related
to procreative autonomy [contraception and abortion]. It also encompasses
a
right of sexual intimacy [such as homosexual sodomy]. We cannot overstate
the significance of these rights. They symbolize the importance of our
evolving understanding of the nature of our Constitution."

Now what?

In one of California's most liberal cities, Robin Strom fears the worst.
She
's executive director of the Pregnancy Resource Center in Novato, and she
expects that parents there will fight to secure their right to guide their
children's public school education, including electing school board
members
who will honor parental authority.

"One of things about Novato is that parents are really involved," she
said.
"They will take this and really get upset about it."

Derek Coyle, an Irish immigrant and parent of a middle-school student in
Novato, says the ruling is a result of judicial arrogance, but also the
consequence of family breakdown.

"With so many broken families, schools become surrogate families, and
teachers and administrators assume the role of family," he said. "They
think
they have a duty, misguided as it is, to teach sexual education, even to
the
point of being against the parent. They assume they have a high moral
authority over parental rights."

The parents in Palmdale have decided to appeal the 9th Circuit ruling,
with
help from Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel in Orlando, Fla.

"The parents feel like their children were mentally raped," he said.
"Americans will be stunned to learn that parental rights stop at the
threshold of the school door. The court said that the only constitutional
restriction is that the school may not commit treason. Such a ruling is
unthinkable!"










--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"


.
User: ""

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 03 Jan 2006 03:38:00 PM
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:32:19 -0500, "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com>
wrote in alt.atheism


Tell children nothing about sex. Just tr8ust the Priest when he takes you in
the back room to show you something?
Why do you think hundreds of Catholic children were molested or raped by
Priests?

1 Thessalonians 5
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God
in Christ Jesus concerning you.

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:I5udnd3SKvJsNSTeRVn-hw@giganews.com...

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Fundies and trolls are urged to shove
a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed.
.


User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Parental Rights Stop Here 02 Jan 2006 05:33:56 PM
in article I5udnd3SKvJsNSTeRVn-hw@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 1/2/06 5:28 PM:

Parental Rights Stop Here
Homosexuals in their bedrooms have more rights under the Constitution than
parents in their children's public schools.

by Tom Hess

Says someone who, if his kids went into a public school, he'd get
arrested for all the "discipline" injuries they have.
Paul
And I guess J Yo's mama (and nun teachers) went too far, so that's
why he's so hot for it.
.


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