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27 Sep 2005 03:46:37 AM |
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Parents challenge US 'intelligent design' teaching |
Parents challenge US 'intelligent design' teaching
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1579199,00.html
· Theory is repackaging of creation dogma, court told
· Test case could decide how evolution is taught
Julian Borger in Harrisburg
Tuesday September 27, 2005
The Guardian
Religion and science clashed in a drab Pennsylvania courtroom yesterday
over a test case that could decide how evolution is taught in America's
state schools.
The civil trial, triggered last year by a classroom battle, marks the
beginning of the first major legal assault on evolution science in 18
years. The case also represents the first legal test of "intelligent
design", the belief that life on earth is too complex to be explained
by random genetic mutation and therefore a guiding force must be
involved.
Julian Borger
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/f050e2794c41e23c
http://snipurl.com/776v
http://snipurl.com/776t
Court Decisions
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-debates.html#court
Wedge
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/c224de46d0c3f955
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| User: "Jumper" |
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| Title: Re: Parents challenge US 'intelligent design' teaching |
27 Sep 2005 04:55:50 AM |
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I can't believe that we're going through this again. If you want ID in
the classroom, put it in a comparative religion class along with the
Greek, Druid, Hindu, Native American, etc etc creation myths. The idea
that this is going on in, what is probably, the most scientifically
gifted nation on Earth is staggering.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Parents challenge US 'intelligent design' teaching |
27 Sep 2005 05:26:41 AM |
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Jumper wrote:
I can't believe that we're going through this again. If you want ID in
the classroom, put it in a comparative religion class along with the
Greek, Druid, Hindu, Native American, etc etc creation myths. The idea
that this is going on in, what is probably, the most scientifically
gifted nation on Earth is staggering.
It won't stay the most scientifically gifted nation for long, if the
Christian right get their way, apart from weapons research of course.
Theocracies always seem to want weapons.
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| User: "Jumper" |
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| Title: Re: Parents challenge US 'intelligent design' teaching |
27 Sep 2005 06:31:23 AM |
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Agreed, Nosterill, but its interesting to hear other countries lament
their "brain drain" and the dominance of the US education and research
system. I was in Germany in 1999 when Dr. Gunter Bobel (born in
Waltersdorf, Germany) won the Nobel in Physiology or Medicine. Of
course, the celebration was rather muted when it was pointed out that
he won it for his work at Rockefeller University in New York. I think
the last 3 or 4 Germans to win prizes all did their reseach in the US.
And here we are introducing something so fundamentally (pun intended)
unscientific into a biology classroom in order to appease a
supernatural belief system. I guess I'm just at my wits end.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Parents challenge US 'intelligent design' teaching |
27 Sep 2005 09:04:37 AM |
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Jumper wrote:
Agreed, Nosterill, but its interesting to hear other countries lament
their "brain drain" and the dominance of the US education and research
system. I was in Germany in 1999 when Dr. Gunter Bobel (born in
Waltersdorf, Germany) won the Nobel in Physiology or Medicine. Of
course, the celebration was rather muted when it was pointed out that
he won it for his work at Rockefeller University in New York. I think
the last 3 or 4 Germans to win prizes all did their reseach in the US.
And here we are introducing something so fundamentally (pun intended)
unscientific into a biology classroom in order to appease a
supernatural belief system. I guess I'm just at my wits end.
It isn't just the subversion of school science classes, there is a
general promotion of the view that science is unchristian. There have
even been hints of legal intimidation of environmental researchers. The
US science establishment is still the biggest and best in the world,
and it will be a long time dying, but I can imagine the brain drain
going into reverse in the not too distant future. The most powerful
nation on earth retreating into the dark ages is a truly terrifying
prospect.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Parents challenge US 'intelligent design' teaching |
27 Sep 2005 02:40:40 PM |
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Nosterill wrote:
Jumper wrote:
Agreed, Nosterill, but its interesting to hear other countries lament
their "brain drain" and the dominance of the US education and research
system. I was in Germany in 1999 when Dr. Gunter Bobel (born in
Waltersdorf, Germany) won the Nobel in Physiology or Medicine. Of
course, the celebration was rather muted when it was pointed out that
he won it for his work at Rockefeller University in New York. I think
the last 3 or 4 Germans to win prizes all did their reseach in the US.
And here we are introducing something so fundamentally (pun intended)
unscientific into a biology classroom in order to appease a
supernatural belief system. I guess I'm just at my wits end.
It isn't just the subversion of school science classes, there is a
general promotion of the view that science is unchristian. There have
even been hints of legal intimidation of environmental researchers. The
US science establishment is still the biggest and best in the world,
and it will be a long time dying, but I can imagine the brain drain
going into reverse in the not too distant future. The most powerful
nation on earth retreating into the dark ages is a truly terrifying
prospect.
"You touch me on a very tender point when you say that my friends on
your side the water cannot be reconciled to the idea of my abandoning
America. They are right. I had rather see my horse Button eating the
grass of Bordentown or Morrisania than see all the pomp and show of
Europe.
A thousand years hence (for I must indulge a few thoughts), perhaps in
less, America may be what Europe now is. The innocence of her
character, that won the hearts of all nations in her favor, may sound
like a romance and her inimitable virtue as if it had never been. The
ruin of that liberty which thousands bled for or struggled to obtain
may just furnish materials for a village tale or extort a sigh from
rustic sensibility, whilst the fashionable of that day, enveloped in
dissipation, shall deride the principle and deny the fact.
When we contemplate the fall of empires and the extinction of the
nations of the Ancient World, we see but little to excite our regret
than the mouldering ruins of pompous palaces, magnificent museums,
lofty pyramids and walls and towers of the most costly workmanship; but
when the empire of America shall fall, the subject for contemplative
sorrow will be infinitely greater than crumbling brass and marble can
inspire. It will not then be said, here stood a temple of vast
antiquity; here rose a babel of invisible height; or there a palace of
sumptuous extravagance; but here, Ah, painful thought! the noblest work
of human wisdom, the grandest scene of human glory, the fair cause of
Freedom rose and fell. Read this, and then ask if I forget America."
Letter to George Washington
http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/paine/Volume9/176-237%20Letter%20to%20George%20Washington.rtf
Thomas Paine
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/c79aff8cec58b5b4
"Science is the true theology" -- Thomas Paine
(as quoted in Emerson: The Mind on Fire page 153)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0520206894/
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