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Parents, students say Bible course needs guidelines |
http://www.news-daily.com/morelocal/cnhinsfaith_story_038121407.html?keyword=secondarystory
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Published: February 07, 2006 12:14 pm
Parents, students say Bible course needs guidelines
By Jennifer Hill
THE NEWS-COURIER (ATHENS, Ala.)
ATHENS, Ala. —
Gathered recently to answer questions about a state proposal to allow a
course on the Bible to high school students, Athens, Ala., parents,
students and a teacher questioned whether the bill mandates guidelines to
teach the course without violating the separation of church and state.
Legislation introduced by Rep. Ken Guin, D-Carbon Hill, and House Speaker,
Seth Hammett, D-Andalusia, is set for a vote this legislative session to
allow an elective course in public high schools called “The Bible and Its
Influence.”
Individual boards of education would have the authority to offer the course
in each jurisdiction if the bill passes. The bill does not stipulate who
would teach the course, nor does it offer guidelines for qualifications of
that teacher.
“The Bible and its Influence,” by Cullen Schippe-Chuck Stetson, is the only
textbook named in the bill. The text takes the Bible and examines it as an
influential document and how it has affected such things as art, literature
and culture.
While its content is meant to examine only the influence of the Bible and
not its religious meanings, a Clements High School teacher said teachers
may not be able to separate their beliefs. Chris Faulkner, a science
teacher, was one of several people attending services at Berea Baptist
Church on Wednesday night who agreed to discuss the bill.
“There is no way to bring this into the classroom without getting into a
discussion about belief, “ Faulkner said.
He said there would eventually be a student in the class who doesn’t
necessarily choose the class but is forced to take the class because of
scheduling issues. It could be the only elective course available at the
time a student needs, for example.
“We have real difficulty with scheduling problems,” he said.
Faulkner is also concerned about credentials required to teach the course.
“I think that before this happens there needs to be a required amount of
hours of training,” he said. “They’ve got to know what they can say or
can’t say. A kid is going to raise his hand to ask ‘What do you believe?’
Can I tell them?”
Anthony Harbin, a youth leader at Berea Baptist Church, said he would
welcome students learning about the Bible.
“Any exposure to the Bible is good,” he said. “Hopefully, if they can get
in the basics out of that with no denominational bias it’s better than not
getting anything.”
The four parents in the group agreed, but said they are not concerned as
much about the separation of church and state as about the influence the
course and the teacher could have on the students.
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Jennifer Hill writes for The News-Courier in Athens, Ala.
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| Title: Re: Parents, students say Bible course needs guidelines |
08 Feb 2006 03:44:47 PM |
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http://www.news-daily.com/morelocal/cnhinsfaith_story_038121407.html?keyword=secondarystory
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Anthony Harbin, a youth leader at Berea Baptist Church, said he would
welcome students learning about the Bible.
"Any exposure to the Bible is good," he said. "Hopefully, if they can
get in the basics out of that with no denominational bias it's better
than not getting anything."
The man has apparently never taken a class or entered into a discussion
where the bible is examined objectively.
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| User: "phy" |
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| Title: Re: Parents, students say Bible course needs guidelines |
09 Feb 2006 12:21:09 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:jDtGf.4042$rL5.324@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.news-daily.com/morelocal/cnhinsfaith_story_038121407.html?k
eyword=secondarystory [excerpt]
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Anthony Harbin, a youth leader at Berea Baptist Church, said he would
welcome students learning about the Bible.
"Any exposure to the Bible is good," he said. "Hopefully, if they can
get in the basics out of that with no denominational bias it's better
than not getting anything."
The man has apparently never taken a class or entered into a
discussion where the bible is examined objectively.
I think that they should at least be required to teach students about the
southern baptist rivivalist fad in the late 1800's where all the snake oil
salesmen (I mean preachers) would set up a big tent outside of town, preach
fire and brimstone, save people, take up donations(I mean love offerings)
and then move to the next town.
-phy
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Parents, students say Bible course needs guidelines |
09 Feb 2006 10:15:05 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:44:47 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.news-daily.com/morelocal/cnhinsfaith_story_038121407.html?keyword=secondarystory
[excerpt]
<snip>
Anthony Harbin, a youth leader at Berea Baptist Church, said he would
welcome students learning about the Bible.
"Any exposure to the Bible is good," he said. "Hopefully, if they can
get in the basics out of that with no denominational bias it's better
than not getting anything."
The man has apparently never taken a class or entered into a discussion
where the bible is examined objectively.
Well, there was that time he got into the debate over whether Jesus was white
or black. :-).
Ben
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