Religions > Atheism > Pastor Supports Huckabee for President, Asks Followers to Pray forDeath of Critics Who Filed Complaint with IRS Over His Political Activities
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04 Jan 2008 12:31:20 PM |
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Pastor Supports Huckabee for President, Asks Followers to Pray forDeath of Critics Who Filed Complaint with IRS Over His Political Activities |
...".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
American United for Separation of Church and State has filed a
complaint with the IRS requesting an investigation of First Southern
Baptist Church of Buena Park, CA for issuing an August 11 press
release in which the pastor, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, endorsed Republican
presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and urged the congregation to do
so as well:
"After very serious prayer and consideration," Drake said in the press
release. "I announce that I am going to personally endorse Mike
Huckabee. I ask all of my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters to
consider getting behind Mike and helping him all you can. First of all
pray and then ask God, what should I do to put feet to my prayers.
"Do what God tells you to do," Drake continued. "I believe God has
chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike
Huckabee will listen to God." The press release was issued on the
letterhead of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. The
letterhead lists Drake as pastor.
In response, the pastor issued a press release calling on his
followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United
for Separation of Church and State:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #1
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #2
Associated Press: Minister Calls for Death Prayers Over IRS
Complaint; Californian Names 3 Who Filed Case After He Endorsed
Huckabee
L.A. Times: Pastor Asks Followers to Pray for His Critics to Die; His
Response Comes After a Call to the IRS About a Political Endorsement
He Issued on Church Letterhead, by Dave McKibben
L.A. Times: Should Schools Teach Foe Smiting? Would a Public School's
Zero-Violence Rule Include Wiley Drake's Call for Prayer for the
Deaths of his Opponents?, by Dana Parsons
Taxalicious: Church Group Launches "Prayer Assault" Over IRS
Investigation
USA Today: Dispute Over Pastor's Politics Escalates: He Wants Prayers
Cursing His Foes
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/08/pastor-supports.html
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04 Jan 2008 10:44:41 PM |
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Last time that great scribe Raymond <Bluerhymer@aol.com> chipped away at
his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/08/pastor-supports.html
It's going to be very hard for Fred to support this looney if he wins
the repugnantican nomination. Yet Fred will be ideologically compelled
to.
His supporters on TV looked like processed hysterics. They were really
scary.
--
Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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04 Jan 2008 04:08:43 PM |
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On 4 jan, 19:31, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
American United for Separation of Church and State has filed a
complaint with the IRS requesting an investigation of First Southern
Baptist Church of Buena Park, CA for issuing an August 11 press
release in which the pastor, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, endorsed Republican
presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and urged the congregation to do
so as well:
"After very serious prayer and consideration," Drake said in the press
release. "I announce that I am going to personally endorse Mike
Huckabee. I ask all of my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters to
consider getting behind Mike and helping him all you can. First of all
pray and then ask God, what should I do to put feet to my prayers.
"Do what God tells you to do," Drake continued. "I believe God has
chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike
Huckabee will listen to God." The press release was issued on the
letterhead of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. The
letterhead lists Drake as pastor.
In response, the pastor issued a press release calling on his
followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United
for Separation of Church and State:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #1
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #2
Associated Press: =A0Minister Calls for Death Prayers Over IRS
Complaint; Californian Names 3 Who Filed Case After He Endorsed
Huckabee
L.A. Times: Pastor Asks Followers to Pray for His Critics to Die; His
Response Comes After a Call to the IRS About a Political Endorsement
He Issued on Church Letterhead, by Dave McKibben
L.A. Times: =A0Should Schools Teach Foe Smiting? Would a Public School's
Zero-Violence Rule Include Wiley Drake's Call for Prayer for the
Deaths of his Opponents?, by Dana Parsons
Taxalicious: =A0Church Group Launches "Prayer Assault" Over IRS
Investigation
USA Today: =A0Dispute Over Pastor's Politics Escalates: He Wants Prayers
Cursing His Foes
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/08/pastor-supports.html
Which logically asks for a lawsuit,
and this time the accustation should be attempted murder!
DA: Do you believe prayer works?
Pastor: Yes.
DA (face the jury): There you have a confession!
Peter van Velzen
December 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "maralah" |
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04 Jan 2008 02:35:46 PM |
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On Jan 4, 12:31 pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
American United for Separation of Church and State has filed a
complaint with the IRS requesting an investigation of First Southern
Baptist Church of Buena Park, CA for issuing an August 11 press
release in which the pastor, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, endorsed Republican
presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and urged the congregation to do
so as well:
"After very serious prayer and consideration," Drake said in the press
release. "I announce that I am going to personally endorse Mike
Huckabee. I ask all of my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters to
consider getting behind Mike and helping him all you can. First of all
pray and then ask God, what should I do to put feet to my prayers.
"Do what God tells you to do," Drake continued. "I believe God has
chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike
Huckabee will listen to God." The press release was issued on the
letterhead of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. The
letterhead lists Drake as pastor.
In response, the pastor issued a press release calling on his
followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United
for Separation of Church and State:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #1
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #2
Associated Press: Minister Calls for Death Prayers Over IRS
Complaint; Californian Names 3 Who Filed Case After He Endorsed
Huckabee
L.A. Times: Pastor Asks Followers to Pray for His Critics to Die; His
Response Comes After a Call to the IRS About a Political Endorsement
He Issued on Church Letterhead, by Dave McKibben
L.A. Times: Should Schools Teach Foe Smiting? Would a Public School's
Zero-Violence Rule Include Wiley Drake's Call for Prayer for the
Deaths of his Opponents?, by Dana Parsons
Taxalicious: Church Group Launches "Prayer Assault" Over IRS
Investigation
USA Today: Dispute Over Pastor's Politics Escalates: He Wants Prayers
Cursing His Foes
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/08/pastor-supports.html
No such thing as supernatural vengeance.
Right?The language might make real people commit real physical acts, I
assume is the problem here, besides the usual political tomfoolery
that has existed since the first government ever existed.
Is there some sort of scientific evidence of the first official
election?Not my area of destru^^^^^, erm, I mean, expertise.
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| User: "Gator Slayer" |
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04 Jan 2008 12:53:34 PM |
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On Jan 4, 1:31=EF=BF=BDpm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
American United for Separation of Church and State has filed a
complaint with the IRS requesting an investigation of First Southern
Baptist Church of Buena Park, CA for issuing an August 11 press
release in which the pastor, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, endorsed Republican
presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and urged the congregation to do
so as well:
"After very serious prayer and consideration," Drake said in the press
release. "I announce that I am going to personally endorse Mike
Huckabee. I ask all of my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters to
consider getting behind Mike and helping him all you can. First of all
pray and then ask God, what should I do to put feet to my prayers.
"Do what God tells you to do," Drake continued. "I believe God has
chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike
Huckabee will listen to God." The press release was issued on the
letterhead of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. The
letterhead lists Drake as pastor.
In response, the pastor issued a press release calling on his
followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United
for Separation of Church and State:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #1
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #2
Associated Press: =EF=BF=BDMinister Calls for Death Prayers Over IRS
Complaint; Californian Names 3 Who Filed Case After He Endorsed
Huckabee
L.A. Times: Pastor Asks Followers to Pray for His Critics to Die; His
Response Comes After a Call to the IRS About a Political Endorsement
He Issued on Church Letterhead, by Dave McKibben
L.A. Times: =EF=BF=BDShould Schools Teach Foe Smiting? Would a Public Scho=
ol's
Zero-Violence Rule Include Wiley Drake's Call for Prayer for the
Deaths of his Opponents?, by Dana Parsons
Taxalicious: =EF=BF=BDChurch Group Launches "Prayer Assault" Over IRS
Investigation
USA Today: =EF=BF=BDDispute Over Pastor's Politics Escalates: He Wants Pra=
yers
Cursing His Foes
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/08/pastor-supports.html
Well I'm not religious but I am very spiritual and yes a born again
Christian but even I don't like this guy. He's shady just like
Romney. What happened to the republican party I want to know. For
most of my life I was republican but no longer. Although I could
never be a democrat because I think they're just as bad this upcoming
election I'm starting to not care about. I could only support Obama
or McCain, no one else.
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04 Jan 2008 01:54:43 PM |
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Gator Slayer wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:31�pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
American United for Separation of Church and State has filed a
complaint with the IRS requesting an investigation of First Southern
Baptist Church of Buena Park, CA for issuing an August 11 press
release in which the pastor, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, endorsed Republican
presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and urged the congregation to do
so as well:
"After very serious prayer and consideration," Drake said in the press
release. "I announce that I am going to personally endorse Mike
Huckabee. I ask all of my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters to
consider getting behind Mike and helping him all you can. First of all
pray and then ask God, what should I do to put feet to my prayers.
"Do what God tells you to do," Drake continued. "I believe God has
chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike
Huckabee will listen to God." The press release was issued on the
letterhead of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. The
letterhead lists Drake as pastor.
In response, the pastor issued a press release calling on his
followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United
for Separation of Church and State:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #1
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #2
Associated Press: �Minister Calls for Death Prayers Over IRS
Complaint; Californian Names 3 Who Filed Case After He Endorsed
Huckabee
L.A. Times: Pastor Asks Followers to Pray for His Critics to Die; His
Response Comes After a Call to the IRS About a Political Endorsement
He Issued on Church Letterhead, by Dave McKibben
L.A. Times: �Should Schools Teach Foe Smiting? Would a Public School's
Zero-Violence Rule Include Wiley Drake's Call for Prayer for the
Deaths of his Opponents?, by Dana Parsons
Taxalicious: �Church Group Launches "Prayer Assault" Over IRS
Investigation
USA Today: �Dispute Over Pastor's Politics Escalates: He Wants Prayers
Cursing His Foes
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/08/pastor-supports.html
Well I'm not religious but I am very spiritual and yes a born again
Christian but even I don't like this guy. He's shady just like
Romney. What happened to the republican party I want to know. For
most of my life I was republican but no longer. Although I could
never be a democrat because I think they're just as bad this upcoming
election I'm starting to not care about. I could only support Obama
or McCain, no one else.
The Republican Party has been hijacked by its extreme right, evangelical
Christian wing. It's sad. They had a message, but it got swamped in all
the sanctimonious, self-righteous Christian rhetoric.
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04 Jan 2008 02:11:51 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:54:43 GMT, in alt.atheism
cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote in
<7awfj.60453$eY.18020@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>:
Gator Slayer wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:31?pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
American United for Separation of Church and State has filed a
complaint with the IRS requesting an investigation of First Southern
Baptist Church of Buena Park, CA for issuing an August 11 press
release in which the pastor, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, endorsed Republican
presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and urged the congregation to do
so as well:
"After very serious prayer and consideration," Drake said in the press
release. "I announce that I am going to personally endorse Mike
Huckabee. I ask all of my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters to
consider getting behind Mike and helping him all you can. First of all
pray and then ask God, what should I do to put feet to my prayers.
"Do what God tells you to do," Drake continued. "I believe God has
chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike
Huckabee will listen to God." The press release was issued on the
letterhead of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. The
letterhead lists Drake as pastor.
In response, the pastor issued a press release calling on his
followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United
for Separation of Church and State:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #1
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #2
Associated Press: ?Minister Calls for Death Prayers Over IRS
Complaint; Californian Names 3 Who Filed Case After He Endorsed
Huckabee
L.A. Times: Pastor Asks Followers to Pray for His Critics to Die; His
Response Comes After a Call to the IRS About a Political Endorsement
He Issued on Church Letterhead, by Dave McKibben
L.A. Times: ?Should Schools Teach Foe Smiting? Would a Public School's
Zero-Violence Rule Include Wiley Drake's Call for Prayer for the
Deaths of his Opponents?, by Dana Parsons
Taxalicious: ?Church Group Launches "Prayer Assault" Over IRS
Investigation
USA Today: ?Dispute Over Pastor's Politics Escalates: He Wants Prayers
Cursing His Foes
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/08/pastor-supports.html
Well I'm not religious but I am very spiritual and yes a born again
Christian but even I don't like this guy. He's shady just like
Romney. What happened to the republican party I want to know. For
most of my life I was republican but no longer. Although I could
never be a democrat because I think they're just as bad this upcoming
election I'm starting to not care about. I could only support Obama
or McCain, no one else.
The Republican Party has been hijacked by its extreme right, evangelical
Christian wing. It's sad. They had a message, but it got swamped in all
the sanctimonious, self-righteous Christian rhetoric.
Really? I thought it was hijacked by the neocons who were willing to say
anything to make the religious folks believe they cared, even if the
neocons didn't give a damn about religion.
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04 Jan 2008 02:28:36 PM |
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Funny how nobody ever seems to file complaints when the hypocritical liberal
Democrats use hypocritical liberal churches as platforms for their bull
*****, ain't it?
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04 Jan 2008 02:36:06 PM |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
Funny how nobody ever seems to file complaints when the hypocritical liberal
Democrats use hypocritical liberal churches as platforms for their bull
*****, ain't it?
Could you give some cited examples?
Or are you just pulling ***** out of your ***** and running it up the
flagpole to see who salutes?
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04 Jan 2008 02:54:06 PM |
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Gee. I think I will just sit back and see who else jumps on this, as
examples abound, and have been abounding, from just about when they invented
the liberal Democrats.
Of course, with blinders like you boys have to wear these days, who can
blame you for not seeing what is right in front of your nose.
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04 Jan 2008 03:09:22 PM |
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"Dicky Licky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:O1xfj.50$Z61.35@trnddc07...
Gee. I think I will just sit back and see who else jumps on this, as
examples abound, and have been abounding, from just about when they
invented
the liberal Democrats.
Of course, with blinders like you boys have to wear these days, who can
blame you for not seeing what is right in front of your nose.
Pot/Kettle.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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04 Jan 2008 02:43:58 PM |
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On Jan 4, 3:36 pm, Simpson <two--p...@epoxy.com> wrote:
Docky Wocky wrote:
Funny how nobody ever seems to file complaints when the hypocritical liberal
Democrats use hypocritical liberal churches as platforms for their bull
*****, ain't it?
Could you give some cited examples?
Or are you just pulling ***** out of your ***** and running it up the
flagpole to see who salutes?
Well, let's dig into the archives and see what has been posted before.
Ah, yes...this gem from December 14th.
On Dec 14, 10:15 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 13, 5:01 am, buckeye <buckeye...@nospam.net> wrote:
http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2006/02/27/110730-a-wall-of-separa...
A Wall of Separation Between Church and State
Unless, I guess, the state wants to use a church for an election
polling site, an emergency shelter, or a place for Democrats like
Clinton and Obama to preach their politics from the pulpit...I guess.
Americans United for Church and State has actively fielded official
complaints to the IRS regarding churches that endorse both Republican
and Democratic candidates for political office. While churches
supporting Republican candidates have been the majority of violations
of non-profit law in this regard, instances where churches support
Democratic candidates are hardly unheard of. Here is a list of some
examples where AU filed complaints regarding churches who endorsed
Democratic candidates:
http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&id=6885&news_iv_ctrl=1357&page=N...
http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=5140&securit...
http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=6307&securit...
http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=8667
http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=cs_&page=NewsArticle&id=5466&securi...
http://blog.au.org/2007/06/07/list-lust-when-the-church-roll-is-calle...
While churches are, of course, free to endorse any political candidate
or position they choose, they cannot do so at the same time they ask
for special financial privileges from big-government. If a church
wishes to voluntarily give up their non-profit status, they can say
anything they like. They just have no right to demand that big-
government pay for it. America's churches are certainly prominent
enough, numerous enough and wealthy enough to survive and prosper on
their own resources without demanding a federal bailout check like
some welfare queen. If they want to politick, they have to give up the
welfare checks.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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04 Jan 2008 02:31:22 PM |
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On Jan 4, 3:11 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:54:43 GMT, in alt.atheism
cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote in
<7awfj.60453$eY.18...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>:
Gator Slayer wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:31?pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
American United for Separation of Church and State has filed a
complaint with the IRS requesting an investigation of First Southern
Baptist Church of Buena Park, CA for issuing an August 11 press
release in which the pastor, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, endorsed Republican
presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and urged the congregation to do
so as well:
"After very serious prayer and consideration," Drake said in the press
release. "I announce that I am going to personally endorse Mike
Huckabee. I ask all of my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters to
consider getting behind Mike and helping him all you can. First of all
pray and then ask God, what should I do to put feet to my prayers.
"Do what God tells you to do," Drake continued. "I believe God has
chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike
Huckabee will listen to God." The press release was issued on the
letterhead of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. The
letterhead lists Drake as pastor.
In response, the pastor issued a press release calling on his
followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United
for Separation of Church and State:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #1
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #2
Associated Press: ?Minister Calls for Death Prayers Over IRS
Complaint; Californian Names 3 Who Filed Case After He Endorsed
Huckabee
L.A. Times: Pastor Asks Followers to Pray for His Critics to Die; His
Response Comes After a Call to the IRS About a Political Endorsement
He Issued on Church Letterhead, by Dave McKibben
L.A. Times: ?Should Schools Teach Foe Smiting? Would a Public School's
Zero-Violence Rule Include Wiley Drake's Call for Prayer for the
Deaths of his Opponents?, by Dana Parsons
Taxalicious: ?Church Group Launches "Prayer Assault" Over IRS
Investigation
USA Today: ?Dispute Over Pastor's Politics Escalates: He Wants Prayers
Cursing His Foes
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/08/pastor-supports.html
Well I'm not religious but I am very spiritual and yes a born again
Christian but even I don't like this guy. He's shady just like
Romney. What happened to the republican party I want to know. For
most of my life I was republican but no longer. Although I could
never be a democrat because I think they're just as bad this upcoming
election I'm starting to not care about. I could only support Obama
or McCain, no one else.
The Republican Party has been hijacked by its extreme right, evangelical
Christian wing. It's sad. They had a message, but it got swamped in all
the sanctimonious, self-righteous Christian rhetoric.
Really? I thought it was hijacked by the neocons who were willing to say
anything to make the religious folks believe they cared, even if the
neocons didn't give a damn about religion.
No...this is just the end result of the party flip-flop caused by the
1964 Civil Rights Act and Nixon's "Southern Strategy", the combination
of which pulled the overwhelming majority of the white-supremacist/
christian-supremacist Dixiecrats into a party that was originally
formed in opposition to those principles. By the time 1980 came around
the GOP started to be dominated by religious ideologues which led to
the 1994 takeover of congress. By that time the ultra-conservative
Barry Goldwater was considered far too "liberal" for his own party,
something he saw coming at least 14 years earlier.
While the totalitarian Rushdoonyite Dominionists certainly do not
control the GOP, their ideologies have been completely adopted by the
Party leadership, effectively turning the GOP into a Christian version
of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Today's Republican Party,
with their dedication to Party over country (indeed, presuming that
loyalty to the Party is essential to loyalty to the country), their
implementation of Chekist-style surveillance of ordinary Americans.
their virtual deification of political figures, their abandonment of
isolationism in favor of military expansionism for personal political
gain, their establishment of political gulags for undesirables (even
with the most well known one in a communist country itself), their
willful disregard for signed treaties while at the same time staunchly
enforcing those same treaties on others, their massive increase in the
size and power of government combined with virtually unthinkable and
utterly unchecked government spending, is Stalinist in everything but
name.
"Bush's government is the first in our history in which there are no
dissenting voices and no debate. Uniformity of opinion is more
characteristic of a dictatorial government than a conservative one.
Bush's government is all of one mind, because all important positions
are held by neoconservatives. Neoconservative is a deceptive term. It
means 'new conservatives,' but there is nothing conservative about
neocons. Neoconservatives believe in imposing their agenda on other
countries - the antithesis of American conservatism. In short, real
conservatives believe in conserving the Constitution, government
accountability, and civil liberties, and avoiding foreign
entanglements. Judging by its behavior and its statements, the Bush
administration stands completely outside the conservative tradition."
- Paul Craig Roberts, former Asst. Secy. of the Treasury under Reagan
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
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On Jan 4, 2:54=C2=A0pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
Gator Slayer wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:31=EF=BF=BDpm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
American United for Separation of Church and State has filed a
complaint with the IRS requesting an investigation of First Southern
Baptist Church of Buena Park, CA for issuing an August 11 press
release in which the pastor, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, endorsed Republican
presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and urged the congregation to do
so as well:
"After very serious prayer and consideration," Drake said in the press
release. "I announce that I am going to personally endorse Mike
Huckabee. I ask all of my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters to
consider getting behind Mike and helping him all you can. First of all
pray and then ask God, what should I do to put feet to my prayers.
"Do what God tells you to do," Drake continued. "I believe God has
chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike
Huckabee will listen to God." The press release was issued on the
letterhead of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. The
letterhead lists Drake as pastor.
In response, the pastor issued a press release calling on his
followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United
for Separation of Church and State:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #1
Americans United for Separation of Church and State Press Release #2
Associated Press: =EF=BF=BDMinister Calls for Death Prayers Over IRS
Complaint; Californian Names 3 Who Filed Case After He Endorsed
Huckabee
L.A. Times: Pastor Asks Followers to Pray for His Critics to Die; His
Response Comes After a Call to the IRS About a Political Endorsement
He Issued on Church Letterhead, by Dave McKibben
L.A. Times: =EF=BF=BDShould Schools Teach Foe Smiting? Would a Public S=
chool's
Zero-Violence Rule Include Wiley Drake's Call for Prayer for the
Deaths of his Opponents?, by Dana Parsons
Taxalicious: =EF=BF=BDChurch Group Launches "Prayer Assault" Over IRS
Investigation
USA Today: =EF=BF=BDDispute Over Pastor's Politics Escalates: He Wants =
Prayers
Cursing His Foes
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/08/pastor-supports.html
Well I'm not religious but I am very spiritual and yes a born again
Christian but even I don't like this guy. =C2=A0He's shady just like
Romney. =C2=A0What happened to the republican party I want to know. =C2=
=A0For
most of my life I was republican but no longer. =C2=A0Although I could
never be a democrat because I think they're just as bad this upcoming
election I'm starting to not care about. =C2=A0I could only support Obam=
a
or McCain, no one else.
The Republican Party has been hijacked by its extreme right, evangelical
Christian wing. =C2=A0It's sad. They had a message, but it got swamped in =
all
the sanctimonious, self-righteous Christian rhetoric.- Hide quoted text -
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The Republican Party has been hijacked by its extreme right,
evangelical
Christian wing and the Jewish/American Lobby. Why has the US been
willing to set aside its own security and that of many of its allies
in order to advance the interests of another state?
Pressure Groups and US Middle East Policy
The Israel Lobby
John Mearsheimer is the Wendell Harrison Professor of Political
Science at University of Chicago, and the author of The Tragedy of
Great Power Politics.
Stephen Walt is the Robert and Renee Belfer Professor of International
Affairs at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. His most
recent book is Taming American Power: The Global Response to US
Primacy.
By John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
London Review of Books
Vol. 28 No. 6 dated 23 March 2006
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/lrblobby.html
We Are All Jews Now
America, as the tabula rasa, became the new 'homeland' of the Jews,
who emigrated there in large numbers. As the genocide against the
American native peoples proceeded apace (the first great genocide of
modern history) and the world slave trade expanded (the second great
genocide), the Jews prospered, despite the residual racial
discrimination which they experienced. Ironically, those Gentiles in
control, were already effectively Jews in their lifestyle and
thinking. As America grew and prospered, in the embrace of the Judaic
formula for success, the greatest of the new business and cultural
establishments - New York and later Hollywood - attracted an
astonishingly high percentage of Jews. Like it or not, Jewish figures
prospered in what can only be described as a Jewish cultural milieu.
Why is this surprising? After all, we are all Jews now.
The Christians would like to get rid of the Old Testament completely
and start with the birth of Christ. However, they are stuck with it
because, without it, there would have been no promise of a second
coming and Christ would have been just another trouble making Jew to
the Romans,
The Old Testament is an awful tome of everything evil and G-d himself
is a Jewish demon that the Evangelicals support ---- especially in
making war.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and shown
"no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the
sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock
and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for
yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an
inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand of Israel, ...utterly
destroying them; there was none left that breathed ...."
Read Artocities in the Bible for just a few of the samples
http://thetruth.hypermart.net/bible/atrocities.htm
NO. the Christians are out of luck wishing that the God of the Old
Testament was dead. They tried before and failed.
Whence arose all the horrid assassinations of whole nations of men,
women and infants, with which the Bible is filled; and the bloody
persecutions, and tortures unto death, and religious wars, that since
that time have laid Europe in blood and ashes; whence arose they, but
the impious thing called religion and this monstrous belief that God
has spoken to man?
--Cardiff
Christianity is a monstrous fraud and delusion, that has desolated
the
earth and filled the spirit world with demons. . . . there is not a
tenet, dogma, doctrine, ceremony, form or prayer, fast or feast,
title
of deity, form of church government, official rank or religious
observance of any kind, that is not identical with some prototype to
be found in one or more of the more ancient religious systems. . . .
no such person, man, or God, as Jesus Christ, had anything to do with
establishing the religion that has been taught in his name. . . . To
get rid of the damning fact that there is no historical basis for
their theological fictions, the Christian priesthood have been guilty
of the heinous crime of destroying nearly all traces of the
concurrent
history of the first two centuries of the Christian era. What little
of it they have permitted to come down to us, they have so altered
and
changed, as to destroy its historical value.
--JM Roberts, Esq.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles4/Jones_Palestine.htm
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04 Jan 2008 12:49:36 PM |
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Raymond wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
Why are Christians the antithesis of Christ?
Christians pray for others souls.
Christians that are conmen or follow conmen pray for deaths.
Christianity is a death cult.
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| User: "Bugman" |
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04 Jan 2008 07:56:06 PM |
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"Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
news:13nsvu1cuolkdd8@corp.supernews.com...
Raymond wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
Why are Christians the antithesis of Christ?
CINO's?
Christians pray for others souls.
Christians that are conmen or follow conmen pray for deaths.
Christianity is a death cult.
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| User: "Raymond" |
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04 Jan 2008 01:01:04 PM |
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On Jan 4, 1:49 pm, Salad <o...@vinegar.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
Why are Christians the antithesis of Christ?
Christians pray for others souls.
Christians that are conmen or follow conmen pray for deaths.
Christianity is a death cult.
All religions are death cults.
"It would seem, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are
fear, conceit, and hatred".
--Frederik Bendz
"Every mind was made for growth, for knowledge, and its nature is
sinned against when it is doomed to ignorance."
William Ellery Channing
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| User: "Bill Dukenfield" |
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04 Jan 2008 09:43:07 PM |
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Salad wrote:
Raymond wrote:
..".In religion, they become "holier than thou" types filled with
terrible hatreds which in turn cause guilt complexes that drive them
deeper into their religious frame of reference. The outlet for their
scrambled emotions is to try to foist their beliefs--and their fears--
onto the rest of us."
--John Keel
Pastor Supports Huckabee for President,
Asks Followers to Pray for Death of Critics Who Filed Complaint with
IRS Over His Political Activities.The pastor issued a press release
calling on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of
Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
Why are Christians the antithesis of Christ?
Christians pray for others souls.
Christians that are conmen or follow conmen pray for deaths.
Christianity is a death cult.
I think of them more as nihilist. Especially the ones that want to hurry
their ignorant myths about armageddon.
JAM
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