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User: "J Young"
Date: 16 Jan 2006 02:49:56 PM
Object: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48363
Cardinal McCarrick & the Catholics' war
By Patrick J. Buchanan
It was during the second day of questioning that Sam Alito's wife
broke down, wept and left the room after hearing Sen. Kennedy imply that her
husband was a bigot.
What was Kennedy's evidence?
In 1985, Sam Alito belonged to Concerned Alumni of Princeton. He had
joined to protest the ouster of ROTC from campus. Alito was neither an
officer nor active, but like future Sen. Bill Bradley, he joined.
What were CAP's sins? Headed by National Review publisher William
Rusher, CAP had a magazine called Prospect that carried an essay opposing
affirmative action and regretting that Princeton had ever gone co-ed.
Yet support for single-sex education, as practiced at Smith and dozens
of women's colleges, is hardly a mark of bigotry. And opposition to
affirmative action and quotas is core conservative dogma.
So, what is going on here? Answer: a smear. Because Judge Alito
belonged to an alumni group that had a magazine which had an offensive
article, he must share those views. Therefore, he is a bigot and the Senate
must reject him as morally unqualified to sit on the Supreme Court.
This is a textbook example of what liberals used to call McCarthyism.
Why are the Democrats disgracing themselves and disgusting decent
people with such tactics? Why are they desperate to kill the nomination of
Sam Alito?
The answer, in a word, is abortion. By the end of the third day of
hearings, analysts had toted up the questions. The subject that had been
brought up in more questions than any other was abortion.
Why? Because, as Sen. Chuck Schumer fears, Judge Alito may just vote
to overturn Roe v. Wade.
For Alito has said that while he respects precedents and has an "open
mind," Roe v. Wade is not some "super-duper precedent" or "inexorable
command." And Sam's mom, in her 90s, when asked where her son stands on
abortion, replied, "Of course, he's against it."
Why has the Democratic Party become a party of fanatics on abortion?
Because the feminists of NARAL and NOW regard abortion as a sacrament and
will cut dead any Democrat who fails to protect a woman's "right to choose"
to kill her unborn baby.
Which brings us to the unspoken issue here. Judge Alito is Catholic.
If confirmed, he will join three other Catholics on the bench: Chief Justice
John Roberts, and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, who have
already voted to overturn Roe.
On the Senate Judiciary Committee sit four Catholic Democrats: Leahy,
Kennedy, Biden and Durbin. All have 100 percent pro-abortion voting records.
All have attacked Alito out of fear he may overturn Roe.
Query: Why is the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops so deathly
silent in this war of Catholics to decide if abortion on demand is to remain
the law of the land forever in God's Country?
Where are the Catholic echoes of John Paul II's condemnations of the
Culture of Death?
Where is Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington, who was designated
to address the moral obligations of Catholic politicians? When John Kerry
ran as the Democratic nominee, McCarrick's task force refused to tell
priests to deny him Communion. Suddenly, pro-abortion Kerry was seen at the
altar rail and won half the Catholic vote.
Said McCarrick, "Our task force does not advocate the denial of
Communion for Catholic politicians," for, otherwise, the "sacred nature of
the Eucharist could be trivialized and might be turned into a partisan
political battleground."
What should bishops do when Catholic politicians fight to uphold a
decision that has caused the slaughter of thousands of times as many Holy
Innocents as were massacred by King Herod?
Cardinal McCarrick urged "new efforts to teach clearly, advocate
effectively, organize and mobilize Catholic laity, and to engage, persuade
and challenge Catholic politicians to act on the moral teaching of our
church."
Fair enough, Your Eminence.
Sixty-six years ago, Bishop Clemens von Galen took to the pulpit of
Munster Cathedral to damn Hitler's regime at the peak of its power for
"plain murder" in its euthanasia program and to direct Catholics to
"withdraw ourselves and our faithful from their [Nazi] influence so that we
may not be contaminated by their ... ungodly behavior."
Cardinal von Galen is headed for sainthood.
What is asked of you, Cardinal McCarrick, and your fellow bishops is
less heroic. Just issue a statement before the 32nd anniversary of Roe v.
Wade on Jan. 22, 2006, declaring:
We pray to God that Roe v. Wade is overturned. We commend all
Catholics and fellow citizens working toward that goal. We condemn any
Catholic politician who would deny a seat on the Supreme Court to a fellow
Catholic - on the grounds that he might vote to overturn this abomination.
That too much to ask, Your Eminence? As Dante said, there is a special
place in Hell for those who, in times of moral crisis, fail to take a stand.
By the way, Dante put a lot of bishops in there.
--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
.

User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics onabortion issue 16 Jan 2006 08:38:55 PM
You know...the man whose family was kind enough to let a colored
girl live in their basement in return for cleaning their house.
I'll bet J Yo gave HIM a rousing ovation when he said THAT at the
MLK tribute.
Paul
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User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics onabortion issue 17 Jan 2006 08:55:35 AM
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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You know...the man whose family was kind enough to let a colored
girl live in their basement in return for cleaning their house.
I'll bet J Yo gave HIM a rousing ovation when he said THAT at the
MLK tribute.

What a punk.
BAM
.


User: "LC"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 16 Jan 2006 02:56:09 PM
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User: "Frank Arthur"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 16 Jan 2006 02:52:32 PM
It would be like Josef Stalin saying Americans have become a country of
Communists!
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48363


Cardinal McCarrick & the Catholics' war



By Patrick J. Buchanan







It was during the second day of questioning that Sam Alito's wife
broke down, wept and left the room after hearing Sen. Kennedy imply that
her
husband was a bigot.

What was Kennedy's evidence?

In 1985, Sam Alito belonged to Concerned Alumni of Princeton. He had
joined to protest the ouster of ROTC from campus. Alito was neither an
officer nor active, but like future Sen. Bill Bradley, he joined.


What were CAP's sins? Headed by National Review publisher William
Rusher, CAP had a magazine called Prospect that carried an essay opposing
affirmative action and regretting that Princeton had ever gone co-ed.

Yet support for single-sex education, as practiced at Smith and
dozens
of women's colleges, is hardly a mark of bigotry. And opposition to
affirmative action and quotas is core conservative dogma.

So, what is going on here? Answer: a smear. Because Judge Alito
belonged to an alumni group that had a magazine which had an offensive
article, he must share those views. Therefore, he is a bigot and the
Senate
must reject him as morally unqualified to sit on the Supreme Court.

This is a textbook example of what liberals used to call McCarthyism.

Why are the Democrats disgracing themselves and disgusting decent
people with such tactics? Why are they desperate to kill the nomination of
Sam Alito?

The answer, in a word, is abortion. By the end of the third day of
hearings, analysts had toted up the questions. The subject that had been
brought up in more questions than any other was abortion.

Why? Because, as Sen. Chuck Schumer fears, Judge Alito may just vote
to overturn Roe v. Wade.

For Alito has said that while he respects precedents and has an "open
mind," Roe v. Wade is not some "super-duper precedent" or "inexorable
command." And Sam's mom, in her 90s, when asked where her son stands on
abortion, replied, "Of course, he's against it."

Why has the Democratic Party become a party of fanatics on abortion?
Because the feminists of NARAL and NOW regard abortion as a sacrament and
will cut dead any Democrat who fails to protect a woman's "right to
choose"
to kill her unborn baby.

Which brings us to the unspoken issue here. Judge Alito is Catholic.
If confirmed, he will join three other Catholics on the bench: Chief
Justice
John Roberts, and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, who have
already voted to overturn Roe.

On the Senate Judiciary Committee sit four Catholic Democrats: Leahy,
Kennedy, Biden and Durbin. All have 100 percent pro-abortion voting
records.
All have attacked Alito out of fear he may overturn Roe.

Query: Why is the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops so deathly
silent in this war of Catholics to decide if abortion on demand is to
remain
the law of the land forever in God's Country?

Where are the Catholic echoes of John Paul II's condemnations of the
Culture of Death?

Where is Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington, who was
designated
to address the moral obligations of Catholic politicians? When John Kerry
ran as the Democratic nominee, McCarrick's task force refused to tell
priests to deny him Communion. Suddenly, pro-abortion Kerry was seen at
the
altar rail and won half the Catholic vote.

Said McCarrick, "Our task force does not advocate the denial of
Communion for Catholic politicians," for, otherwise, the "sacred nature of
the Eucharist could be trivialized and might be turned into a partisan
political battleground."

What should bishops do when Catholic politicians fight to uphold a
decision that has caused the slaughter of thousands of times as many Holy
Innocents as were massacred by King Herod?


Cardinal McCarrick urged "new efforts to teach clearly, advocate
effectively, organize and mobilize Catholic laity, and to engage, persuade
and challenge Catholic politicians to act on the moral teaching of our
church."

Fair enough, Your Eminence.

Sixty-six years ago, Bishop Clemens von Galen took to the pulpit of
Munster Cathedral to damn Hitler's regime at the peak of its power for
"plain murder" in its euthanasia program and to direct Catholics to
"withdraw ourselves and our faithful from their [Nazi] influence so that
we
may not be contaminated by their ... ungodly behavior."

Cardinal von Galen is headed for sainthood.

What is asked of you, Cardinal McCarrick, and your fellow bishops is
less heroic. Just issue a statement before the 32nd anniversary of Roe v.
Wade on Jan. 22, 2006, declaring:


We pray to God that Roe v. Wade is overturned. We commend all
Catholics and fellow citizens working toward that goal. We condemn any
Catholic politician who would deny a seat on the Supreme Court to a fellow
Catholic - on the grounds that he might vote to overturn this abomination.


That too much to ask, Your Eminence? As Dante said, there is a
special
place in Hell for those who, in times of moral crisis, fail to take a
stand.
By the way, Dante put a lot of bishops in there.
























--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"


.

User: "Cuthbert Thistlethwaite"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 16 Jan 2006 05:31:53 PM
J Young wrote:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48363


Cardinal McCarrick & the Catholics' war


By Patrick J. Buchanan


.. . .

Let me help you sort this out, Pat:

Query: Why is the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops so deathly
silent in this war of Catholics to decide if abortion on demand is to remain
the law of the land forever in God's Country?

Answer: They want to respect the separation of church and state.

Said [Cardinal] McCarrick, "Our task force does not advocate the denial of
Communion for Catholic politicians," for, otherwise, the "sacred nature of
the Eucharist could be trivialized and might be turned into a partisan
political battleground."

Smart man; states one of many good reasons to maintain total separation
of church and state.

What should bishops do when Catholic politicians fight to uphold a
decision that has caused the slaughter of thousands of times as many Holy
Innocents as were massacred by King Herod?


Stay out of it or face the consequences.

Cardinal McCarrick urged "new efforts to teach clearly, advocate
effectively, organize and mobilize Catholic laity, and to engage, persuade
and challenge Catholic politicians to act on the moral teaching of our
church."

No, stay out of it.
The alternative is to face aggressive penalties for violation of
separation of church and state in the form of massive confiscations of
real estate and personal property (money).
As to personal property which consists of vials of the Blood of Christ,
hunks of the True Cross, bones of saints, the Holy Grail, and such like,
could be returned to the Vatican as a cultural courtesy, and because
such things have no value anyway.
Pat, stick with the criminal migration issues. You make sense in that
area.
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 16 Jan 2006 06:01:22 PM
"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote

Answer: They want to respect the separation of church and state.

Of course, by this, you mean Church= invisible things and State = visible
things.

Said [Cardinal] McCarrick, "Our task force does not advocate the
denial of
Communion for Catholic politicians," for, otherwise, the "sacred nature
of
the Eucharist could be trivialized and might be turned into a partisan
political battleground."


Smart man; states one of many good reasons to maintain total separation
of church and state.

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?

What should bishops do when Catholic politicians fight to uphold a
decision that has caused the slaughter of thousands of times as many Holy
Innocents as were massacred by King Herod?


Stay out of it or face the consequences.

Gee! We're scared!!!!!!

Cardinal McCarrick urged "new efforts to teach clearly, advocate
effectively, organize and mobilize Catholic laity, and to engage,
persuade
and challenge Catholic politicians to act on the moral teaching of our
church."


No, stay out of it.

That's what many said about slavery and killing Jews - stay out of it!
BAM
.
User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics onabortion issue 16 Jan 2006 08:48:12 PM
Which is why Bam hopes he'll become his drinking buddy...
Paul
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User: "Cuthbert Thistlethwaite"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 16 Jan 2006 07:16:02 PM
bam wrote:
.. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a million
miles.
The State is about my personal rights, personal security, general
prosperity, border-control, etc. Having a relationship with the state
is also mandatory.
The church is about one's option to say one's prayers to any god of
one's choice
I never said that church might not occasionally be a "good thing."
Governor Ventura said that it is great that weak-minded people can go to
church and seek peace and relief of mental troubles. I totally agree.
.. . .

Stay out of it or face the consequences.


Gee! We're scared!!!!!!

Recall that Henry VIII finally had it with the meddling papists and
confiscated the monasteries. He used the proceeds to build something
useful: a navy.

.. . .

That's what many said about slavery and killing Jews - stay out of it!


BAM

No, Pop. I'm against that crap without any guidance from invisible,
supernatural thingys (whose representatives want some cash).
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 17 Jan 2006 08:55:05 AM
"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?


They should never collide. They are not about same things by a million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day. Can't you
face the intellectual challenge?

The State is about my personal rights, personal security, general
prosperity, border-control, etc. Having a relationship with the state
is also mandatory.

That's GW *****. You don't define something by saying "what it's about".

The church is about one's option to say one's prayers to any god of
one's choice

That's what the church is about? Man, you've got a small mind.

I never said that church might not occasionally be a "good thing."
Governor Ventura said that it is great that weak-minded people can go to
church and seek peace and relief of mental troubles. I totally agree.

And God could pick up the USA like a clump of dust and squeeze it through
His fingers.

Stay out of it or face the consequences.


Gee! We're scared!!!!!!


Recall that Henry VIII finally had it with the meddling papists and
confiscated the monasteries. He used the proceeds to build something
useful: a navy.

You know nothing.

That's what many said about slavery and killing Jews - stay out of it!


BAM


No, Pop. I'm against that crap without any guidance from invisible,
supernatural thingys (whose representatives want some cash).

It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought and died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.
BAM
.
User: "Bill"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 17 Jan 2006 09:41:13 AM
"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?


They should never collide. They are not about same things by a million
miles.


What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day. Can't you
face the intellectual challenge?


The State is about my personal rights, personal security, general
prosperity, border-control, etc. Having a relationship with the state
is also mandatory.



That's GW *****. You don't define something by saying "what it's
about".

The church is about one's option to say one's prayers to any god of
one's choice


That's what the church is about? Man, you've got a small mind.


I never said that church might not occasionally be a "good thing."
Governor Ventura said that it is great that weak-minded people can go to
church and seek peace and relief of mental troubles. I totally agree.


And God could pick up the USA like a clump of dust and squeeze it through
His fingers.

And your objective verifiable evidence for this assertion is???
Oh, and while your at it which, of the thousands of gods, can do this?

Stay out of it or face the consequences.


Gee! We're scared!!!!!!


Recall that Henry VIII finally had it with the meddling papists and
confiscated the monasteries. He used the proceeds to build something
useful: a navy.


You know nothing.

That's what many said about slavery and killing Jews - stay out of it!


BAM


No, Pop. I'm against that crap without any guidance from invisible,
supernatural thingys (whose representatives want some cash).


It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought and died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.

BAM



.

User: "Colin Day"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortionissue 17 Jan 2006 08:03:59 PM
bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
news:43CC4663.6CFE4079@myface.net...

bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a million
miles.


What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day. Can't you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to force
a collision.

It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought and died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of the
First Amendment?
Colin Day aa #1500
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 18 Jan 2006 01:24:21 AM
"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
news:43CC4663.6CFE4079@myface.net...

bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a million
miles.


What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day. Can't you
face the intellectual challenge?


They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to force
a collision.

How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They have no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.


It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought and died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.


And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of the
First Amendment?

Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion. The only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be to worship
them.
BAM
.
User: "Anthony Lindemann"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 19 Jan 2006 12:38:07 PM
Are you that fucking stupid? The Christian taliban in this country
have tried to force their bilical ***** down everyones throats by
codifiying these things into law.

How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They have no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.

BAM

.

User: "Colin Day"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortionissue 18 Jan 2006 10:40:14 AM
bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
news:43CC4663.6CFE4079@myface.net...

bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day. Can't you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to force
a collision.


How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They have no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.

They can get legislators to pass laws.


It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought and died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of the
First Amendment?


Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion. The only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be to worship
them.

That isn't what Madison thought.
Colin Day aa #1500
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 19 Jan 2006 08:42:56 PM
"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
news:43CC4663.6CFE4079@myface.net...

bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a
million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day. Can't
you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to force
a collision.


How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They have no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.


They can get legislators to pass laws.


It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought and
died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of the
First Amendment?


Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion. The
only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be to
worship
them.


That isn't what Madison thought.

Romaphobes.
BAM
.
User: "Colin Day"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortionissue 20 Jan 2006 10:40:03 AM
bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:jmhzf.19142$Kp.18822@southeast.rr.com...

bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
news:43CC4663.6CFE4079@myface.net...

bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a
million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day. Can't
you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to force
a collision.

How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They have no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.

They can get legislators to pass laws.

It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought and
died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of the
First Amendment?

Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion. The
only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be to
worship
them.

That isn't what Madison thought.


Romaphobes.

BAM

So Madison was a Romaphobe? Which does that condemn, Madison or Rome?
Colin Day aa #1500
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 20 Jan 2006 09:53:54 PM
"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a
million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day. Can't
you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to force
a collision.

How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They have no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.

They can get legislators to pass laws.

It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought and
died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of the
First Amendment?

Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion. The
only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be to
worship
them.

That isn't what Madison thought.


Romaphobes.

BAM


So Madison was a Romaphobe? Which does that condemn, Madison or Rome?

They all were. One of them tried to get rid of Charles Carrol of Carrolton
because he was a Roman Catholic, but didn't succeed.
BAM
.
User: "Colin Day"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortionissue 21 Jan 2006 02:18:52 PM
bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a
million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day. Can't
you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to force
a collision.

How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They have no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.

They can get legislators to pass laws.

It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought and
died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of the
First Amendment?

Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion. The
only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be to
worship
them.

That isn't what Madison thought.

Romaphobes.

BAM

So Madison was a Romaphobe? Which does that condemn, Madison or Rome?


They all were. One of them tried to get rid of Charles Carrol of Carrolton
because he was a Roman Catholic, but didn't succeed.

BAM

Any specific cites on Madison and his view of the Catholic Church?
Colin Day aa #1500
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 21 Jan 2006 09:19:23 PM
"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
news:43CC4663.6CFE4079@myface.net...

bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs
off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a
million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day.
Can't
you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to
force
a collision.

How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They have
no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.

They can get legislators to pass laws.

It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought
and
died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of the
First Amendment?

Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion.
The
only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be to
worship
them.

That isn't what Madison thought.

Romaphobes.

BAM

So Madison was a Romaphobe? Which does that condemn, Madison or Rome?


They all were. One of them tried to get rid of Charles Carrol of
Carrolton
because he was a Roman Catholic, but didn't succeed.

BAM


Any specific cites on Madison and his view of the Catholic Church?

Colin Day aa #1500

In the Papal System, Government and Religion are in a manner consolidated,
& that is found to be the worst of Govts.
CHIC. HIST. SOC.MSS. 1832 private
TO:Rev. --- ADAMS
Charleston, S.C.
.
User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 21 Jan 2006 09:24:07 PM
bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in message
news:43CC4663.6CFE4079@myface.net...

bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs
off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a
million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day.
Can't
you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to
force
a collision.

How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They have
no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.

They can get legislators to pass laws.

It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought
and
died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of the
First Amendment?

Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion.
The
only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be to
worship
them.

That isn't what Madison thought.

Romaphobes.

BAM

So Madison was a Romaphobe? Which does that condemn, Madison or Rome?


They all were. One of them tried to get rid of Charles Carrol of
Carrolton
because he was a Roman Catholic, but didn't succeed.

BAM


Any specific cites on Madison and his view of the Catholic Church?

Colin Day aa #1500


In the Papal System, Government and Religion are in a manner consolidated,
& that is found to be the worst of Govts.

CHIC. HIST. SOC.MSS. 1832 private
TO:Rev. --- ADAMS

Charleston, S.C.

Given the history of the Roman Catholic Church's interference in
government, as well as their current interference in our government,
that sounds like a factual statement.
Mark Sebree
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 07:49:19 AM
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in
message
news:43CC4663.6CFE4079@myface.net...

bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs
off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a
million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day.
Can't
you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to
force
a collision.

How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They
have
no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.

They can get legislators to pass laws.

It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought
and
died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and
benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of
the
First Amendment?

Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion.
The
only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be
to
worship
them.

That isn't what Madison thought.

Romaphobes.

BAM

So Madison was a Romaphobe? Which does that condemn, Madison or Rome?


They all were. One of them tried to get rid of Charles Carrol of
Carrolton
because he was a Roman Catholic, but didn't succeed.

BAM


Any specific cites on Madison and his view of the Catholic Church?

Colin Day aa #1500


In the Papal System, Government and Religion are in a manner
consolidated,
& that is found to be the worst of Govts.

CHIC. HIST. SOC.MSS. 1832 private
TO:Rev. --- ADAMS

Charleston, S.C.


Given the history of the Roman Catholic Church's interference in
government, as well as their current interference in our government,
that sounds like a factual statement.

Mark Sebree

The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere. That's the
Church's job. That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.
But the real Church-State dictatorship of the day was England - a Protestant
country - and only England, where the King and the head of Church were one
and the same person. That never existed in a Catholic country.
BAM
.
User: "Alan Ferris"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 08:16:18 AM
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:49:19 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:

The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere. That's the
Church's job. That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.

ROFLMAO! It wishes, in reality it is being ignored more and more.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 09:39:24 AM
"Alan Ferris" <alan@spamddandd.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:49:19 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:

The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere. That's
the
Church's job. That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.


ROFLMAO! It wishes, in reality it is being ignored more and more.

And you're dying more and more.
BAM
.
User: "Alan Ferris"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 01:52:18 PM
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:39:24 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:


"Alan Ferris" <alan@spamddandd.com> wrote in message
news:6557t1t5n3kkrdpfkd57i23niueptlfibb@4ax.com...

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:49:19 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:

The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere. That's
the
Church's job. That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.


ROFLMAO! It wishes, in reality it is being ignored more and more.


And you're dying more and more.

And I suppose you think you are immortal.....I bet you also believed
in Santa.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
.

User: "Bonnie Bitch"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 11:06:04 AM
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:39:24 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>


"Alan Ferris" <alan@spamddandd.com> wrote in message
news:6557t1t5n3kkrdpfkd57i23niueptlfibb@4ax.com...

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:49:19 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:

The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere. That's
the
Church's job. That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.


ROFLMAO! It wishes, in reality it is being ignored more and more.


And you're dying more and more.

So are you, and if there is a god, you'll go first and very soon.
.
User: "Alan Ferris"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 01:52:31 PM
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:06:04 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:39:24 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>


"Alan Ferris" <alan@spamddandd.com> wrote in message
news:6557t1t5n3kkrdpfkd57i23niueptlfibb@4ax.com...

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:49:19 -0500, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:

The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere. That's
the
Church's job. That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.


ROFLMAO! It wishes, in reality it is being ignored more and more.


And you're dying more and more.


So are you, and if there is a god, you'll go first and very soon.

Judge not....etc
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
.




User: "Bonnie Bitch"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 07:55:11 AM
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:49:19 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>

The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere.

They wish. It's more like they but in where they're not welcome.
Oh, and honey -- an apostrophe does not mean "Here comes an S!"

That's the
Church's job. That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.

Not exactly, sweetie.
Matthew 6: 5-8

But the real Church-State dictatorship of the day was England - a Protestant
country - and only England, where the King and the head of Church were one
and the same person. That never existed in a Catholic country.

Just in two countries -- Italy and the Vatican, the latter of which is
a country, just FYI.
Nice Catholic education you're showing off there, christstain. LOL
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 09:38:55 AM
"Bonnie *****" <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
news:bc37t11l6fuvn0fl3u40aupbfdnv4j7flc@fe05.buzzardnews.com...

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:49:19 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>

The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere.


They wish. It's more like they but in where they're not welcome.
Oh, and honey -- an apostrophe does not mean "Here comes an S!"

That's the
Church's job. That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.


Not exactly, sweetie.
Matthew 6: 5-8

But the real Church-State dictatorship of the day was England - a
Protestant
country - and only England, where the King and the head of Church were one
and the same person. That never existed in a Catholic country.


Just in two countries -- Italy and the Vatican, the latter of which is
a country, just FYI.
Nice Catholic education you're showing off there, christstain. LOL

You don't know your ***** from a hole in the wall.
BAM
.
User: "Bonnie Bitch"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 11:05:24 AM
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:38:55 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>


"Bonnie *****" <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
news:bc37t11l6fuvn0fl3u40aupbfdnv4j7flc@fe05.buzzardnews.com...

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:49:19 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>

The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere.


They wish. It's more like they but in where they're not welcome.
Oh, and honey -- an apostrophe does not mean "Here comes an S!"

That's the
Church's job. That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.


Not exactly, sweetie.
Matthew 6: 5-8

But the real Church-State dictatorship of the day was England - a
Protestant
country - and only England, where the King and the head of Church were one
and the same person. That never existed in a Catholic country.


Just in two countries -- Italy and the Vatican, the latter of which is
a country, just FYI.
Nice Catholic education you're showing off there, christstain. LOL


You don't know your ***** from a hole in the wall.

And since I know more than you (as demonstrated above), you don't come
out looking so good there, babe.
So why didn't you know that the Vatican is, in fact, a country, and a
CATHOLIC country run by the head of your own cult?
No wonder you resorted to your usual puerility -- you're miffed that
an atheist knows more about your cult than you do. LOL
.



User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: Pat Buchanan: Dems have become a party of fanatics on abortion issue 22 Jan 2006 02:52:30 PM
bam wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Obuzf.19691$Kp.11078@southeast.rr.com...

bam wrote:

"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:jmhzf.19142$Kp.18822@southeast.rr.com...

bam wrote:

"Cuthbert Thistlethwaite" <nosillygods@myface.net> wrote in
message
news:43CC4663.6CFE4079@myface.net...

bam wrote:

. . .

But who's boss? Church or State? When they collide, who backs
off?

They should never collide. They are not about same things by a
million
miles.

What kind of answer is that? Of course they collide every day.
Can't
you
face the intellectual challenge?

They only "collide" in my life when religious people attempt to
force
a collision.

How can the religious force anything? They have no armies. They
have
no
jails or laws that you are required to obey.

They can get legislators to pass laws.

It was those invisible things that motivated the men that fought
and
died
for your freedom - start respecting your ancestors and
benefactors.

And wasn't one of those freedoms the nonestablishment clause of
the
First Amendment?

Oh yes - we are in dire fear of the state establishing a religion.
The
only
religion you have to worry about the state establishing would be
to
worship
them.

That isn't what Madison thought.

Romaphobes.

BAM

So Madison was a Romaphobe? Which does that condemn, Madison or Rome?


They all were. One of them tried to get rid of Charles Carrol of
Carrolton
because he was a Roman Catholic, but didn't succeed.

BAM


Any specific cites on Madison and his view of the Catholic Church?

Colin Day aa #1500


In the Papal System, Government and Religion are in a manner
consolidated,
& that is found to be the worst of Govts.

CHIC. HIST. SOC.MSS. 1832 private
TO:Rev. --- ADAMS

Charleston, S.C.


Given the history of the Roman Catholic Church's interference in
government, as well as their current interference in our government,
that sounds like a factual statement.

Mark Sebree


The Roman Catholic Church interfere's with everyone, everywhere.

And that is why they are loathed by so many people, and told to get
out. They should lose their tax exempt status in the USA.

That's the Church's job.

Then they should be paying taxes like everyone else. They cannot stand
people that are not under their thumb and miserable. They hate
independent and intelligent people, as well as science and progress.
What they should do is stay out of other people's business, and stop
trying to force their oppressive and intolerant ideology onto others.

That's what Jesus (God) commanded them to do.

No. It is what the Popes commanded the church to do.


But the real Church-State dictatorship of the day was England - a Protestant
country - and only England, where the King and the head of Church were one
and the same person. That never existed in a Catholic country.

BAM

Yes, they did. They were Catholic from when Charlemange conquered them
in 1066 to the reign of Henry the VIII, as well as during the reign of
Mary. They broke with the Catholic Church because Henry was tired of
them trying to tell him what he should and should not do.
Why the monarchy is the head of the church, it does little to run it.
People in England are not required to belong to the Church of England,
and they do not gain any rights by doing to, or lose any rights by not
doing so.
Perhaps you should learn some history.
Mark Sebree
.
















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