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"johac" |
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08 Nov 2007 01:56:54 AM |
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Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
Robberson and Ghouliani. The very odd couple.
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Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement - Hold On To Your Wallet
Posted on November 7, 2007, Printed on November 7, 2007
Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign has hungered for some form of
blessing from the religious right. Today, the former New York City mayor
and supporter of abortion and gay rights got an unexpected endorsement
from televangelist Marion G. "Pat" Robertson.
But the world famous Christian conservative's declaration of support
left out a few things.
It did not, for example, refer to Robertson's approval of abortions for
the purposes of population control as expressed in China in a 2001 CNN
interview.
Nor did the Giuliani campaign's press release mention Robertson's
business partnership in a gold mining venture with former Liberian
dictator Charles Taylor. For that matter, what about Robertson's
suggestions that it might not be a bad idea to assassinate or "take out"
Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez and North Korea's Kim Jong-Il?
Robertson's near-legendary status on the Christian right is based on his
founding of three institutions, the Christian Broadcasting Network
(CBN); his television program, The 700 Club; and the formerly
extraordinarily influential Christian Coalition.
On matters affecting the bottom line, however, Robertson - who has made
himself millions as the proprietor of a Christian empire - has
repeatedly demonstrated his willingness to let his belief in free market
capitalism override traditional morality.
In terms of Robertson's ostensible commitment to the 'sanctity of life,'
the biggest shocker was a 2001 CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer when
Robertson stunned viewers with this comment:
"If every family over there [China] was allowed to have three or four
children, the population would be completely unsustainable ... I think
that right now they're doing what they have to do. I don't agree with
the forced abortion, but I don't think the United States needs to
interfere with what they're doing internally in this regard."
The pro-abortion comment produced a firestorm on the right. The
conservative web site/news service WorldNet Daily headlined its story
"Pat Robertson's Brain Abortion." The Family Research Council's Charles
Donovan declared, "This policy [of forced abortion] doesn't need
comfort, and it certainly doesn't need comfort from a Christian and a
conservative."
Why this tolerance of a seemingly abhorrent practice from the normally
fire-and-brimstone television preacher? Perhaps, it was connected to a
company, Zhaodaola, that Robertson helped found and financed. At the
time of Robertson's endorsement of the Chinese government's population
control measures, Zhaodaola was setting up Internet facilities in China
and was in need of government support.
Another Robertson company, Freedom Gold, set up shop in Liberia during
the brutal dictatorship of Charles Taylor, under an agreement which
provided the government, and its head, Taylor a share of the profits.
In a 2001 column criticizing Robertson's Liberian investment, the
Washington Post's Colbert King wrote:
"The international community has received a steady stream of reports
detailing police floggings, kickings and burning of a detainee's skin
with hot plastic to extract confessions; victims stripped naked, made to
kneel on iron bars and whipped with belts and cables; the jailed people
lying face down on the floor while police walk on their wrists and
forearms."
In addition, there were numerous reports at the time of the Robertson
investment that Liberia under Taylor had become the site for diamond
trading with Osama bin Laden. What was the Christian leader's rationale
for doing deals with Taylor?
If these matters were of concern to Giuliani today, he did not mention
it. "I'm very encouraged by Pat's support," Giuliani said. "His
confidence in me means a lot. His experience and advice will be a great
asset to me and my campaign."
Giuliani, a leading critic of welfare dependency, might be interested in
the following story if he were to become president.
When the Bush administration was gearing up its "faith-based" program of
channel federal money to religious charities, Robertson denounced the
effort: "Federal rules will envelope these organizations, they'll begin
to be nurtured, if I can use that term, on federal money, and then they
can't get off of it...It'll be like a narcotic; they can't then free
themselves later on."
But when the administration announced the initial 21 grants, who was on
the list? Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing. All told, Operation
Blessing received $23 million from the federal government.
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http://www.alternet.org/wire/67276/
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John #1782
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 08:18:25 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-D92AB4.23565407112007@news.giganews.com...
Robberson and Ghouliani. The very odd couple.
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Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement - Hold On To Your Wallet
Posted on November 7, 2007, Printed on November 7, 2007
Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign has hungered for some form of
blessing from the religious right. Today, the former New York City mayor
and supporter of abortion and gay rights got an unexpected endorsement
from televangelist Marion G. "Pat" Robertson.
<snip>
But when the administration announced the initial 21 grants, who was on
the list? Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing. All told, Operation
Blessing received $23 million from the federal government.
I'm sure Giuliani paid Robertson for the favor. Giuliani needs
the fundy nod.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 06:32:12 PM |
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In article <RUEYi.4921$sN.2807@trndny02>,
"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-D92AB4.23565407112007@news.giganews.com...
Robberson and Ghouliani. The very odd couple.
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Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement - Hold On To Your Wallet
Posted on November 7, 2007, Printed on November 7, 2007
Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign has hungered for some form of
blessing from the religious right. Today, the former New York City mayor
and supporter of abortion and gay rights got an unexpected endorsement
from televangelist Marion G. "Pat" Robertson.
<snip>
But when the administration announced the initial 21 grants, who was on
the list? Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing. All told, Operation
Blessing received $23 million from the federal government.
I'm sure Giuliani paid Robertson for the favor. Giuliani needs
the fundy nod.
Could be. I'm just waiting for the fundies to start screaming about how
Robertson sold out. I think it's just another example of how much of an
unprincipled fraud Robertson really is.
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John #1782
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 07:57:54 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-D92AB4.23565407112007@news.giganews.com...
Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign has hungered for some form of
blessing from the religious right. Today, the former New York City mayor
and supporter of abortion and gay rights got an unexpected endorsement
from televangelist Marion G. "Pat" Robertson.
This, for all intents and purposes, conclusively establishes the boundless
hypocrisy of the man.
Giuliani is far and away the most liberal of the Republican candidates,
having social policy positions diametrically opposed to those of the
Christian right.
Old Rev. Pat has made a very cynical move indeed, clearly showing that he
fears losing power and influence far more than he feels compelled to stand
on the principles of his beliefs.
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| User: "Rob Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 11:40:55 AM |
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"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fgv4ma020m1@enews2.newsguy.com...
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-D92AB4.23565407112007@news.giganews.com...
Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign has hungered for some form of
blessing from the religious right. Today, the former New York City mayor
and supporter of abortion and gay rights got an unexpected endorsement
from televangelist Marion G. "Pat" Robertson.
This, for all intents and purposes, conclusively establishes the boundless
hypocrisy of the man.
It's pathetic and funny to watch the religious right pull the Giuliani
handle and flush those "values" down the toilet. Those certainly were some
strongly held values weren't they?
Rob Brown
Giuliani is far and away the most liberal of the Republican candidates,
having social policy positions diametrically opposed to those of the
Christian right.
Old Rev. Pat has made a very cynical move indeed, clearly showing that he
fears losing power and influence far more than he feels compelled to stand
on the principles of his beliefs.
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| User: "johac" |
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08 Nov 2007 06:33:59 PM |
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In article <fgv4ma020m1@enews2.newsguy.com>, "LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-D92AB4.23565407112007@news.giganews.com...
Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign has hungered for some form of
blessing from the religious right. Today, the former New York City mayor
and supporter of abortion and gay rights got an unexpected endorsement
from televangelist Marion G. "Pat" Robertson.
This, for all intents and purposes, conclusively establishes the boundless
hypocrisy of the man.
Giuliani is far and away the most liberal of the Republican candidates,
having social policy positions diametrically opposed to those of the
Christian right.
Old Rev. Pat has made a very cynical move indeed, clearly showing that he
fears losing power and influence far more than he feels compelled to stand
on the principles of his beliefs.
I guess that if Pat believes he talks to god, he believes he doesn't
need any scruples.
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John #1782
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 12:40:49 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:56:54 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign has hungered for some form of
blessing from the religious right. Today, the former New York City mayor
and supporter of abortion and gay rights got an unexpected endorsement
from televangelist Marion G. "Pat" Robertson.
The ironic thing is that it's hard to tell which of them is making the
bigger "deal with the devil".
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 06:28:15 PM |
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In article <i0m6j3diun8d5jm4c8hccvvti457dk3mhb@4ax.com>,
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:56:54 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign has hungered for some form of
blessing from the religious right. Today, the former New York City mayor
and supporter of abortion and gay rights got an unexpected endorsement
from televangelist Marion G. "Pat" Robertson.
The ironic thing is that it's hard to tell which of them is making the
bigger "deal with the devil".
Hard to tell. I saw that he appeared on Robertson's how. It would have
been funnier if he showed up in drag.
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to
skyscrapers..."
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John #1782
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 04:40:10 AM |
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johac wrote:
Robberson and Ghouliani. The very odd couple.
Robertson is just trying desperately to look like he's still relevant.
Otherwise, he would have supported a candidate, regardless of how far
back in the pack, that was as anti-liberty as he is.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
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| User: "Pat Kiewicz" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 07:06:17 AM |
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*nemo* said:
johac wrote:
Robberson and Ghouliani. The very odd couple.
Robertson is just trying desperately to look like he's still relevant.
Otherwise, he would have supported a candidate, regardless of how far
back in the pack, that was as anti-liberty as he is.
Oh, I dunno. Giuliani seems like a guy who'll advance authoritarianism
in a big way.
Robertson probably feels that getting the 'fascist' part of Christofascism
established is more doable and more important than backing someone
more on the theocratic spectrum, like Brownback. (Besides, isn't
Brownback even more Catholic than Giuliani these days? Opus Dei
anyone?)
Romney is a mormon.
McCain and Thompson are old (and Thompson has cancer and maybe
chemo-brain, though, according to Nixon, he wasn't so sharp to begin
with).
Ron Paul is a libertarian. Against the war to save us from incipient
Islamofascism, so he's out.
And Huckabee? Well, he's way too soft. Actually caring about the poor,
not hating immigrants, etc.
Duncan Hunter is too far off the radar to even consider.
No, I think Robertson pretty much decided to pick what he think is the
only horse in a race full of nags. (The last thing he wants is for the
religious right to a Ralph Nadar-type 'purity party' thing in 2008.)
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Pat K. aa#1154 ('someplace.net' is comcast)
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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08 Nov 2007 07:48:11 PM |
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(Pat Kiewicz) wrote in
news:eOCdnUALMKBUlK7anZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d@comcast.com:
*nemo* said:
johac wrote:
Robberson and Ghouliani. The very odd couple.
Robertson is just trying desperately to look like he's still relevant.
Otherwise, he would have supported a candidate, regardless of how far
back in the pack, that was as anti-liberty as he is.
Oh, I dunno. Giuliani seems like a guy who'll advance
authoritarianism in a big way.
My favorite Giuliani-related quote, from Joe Biden:
Sen. Joe Biden nails Rudy Giuliani during Tuesday's MSNBC debate: "And
the irony is, Rudy Giuliani, probably the most underqualified man since
George Bush to seek the presidency, is here talking about any of the
people here. Rudy Giuliani... I mean, think about it! Rudy Giuliani.
There's only three things he mentions in a sentence -- a noun, a verb,
and 9/11. There's nothing else! There's nothing else! And I mean this
sincerely. He's genuinely not qualified to be president."
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
09 Nov 2007 12:10:42 AM |
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In article <Xns99E2C97EC27BFaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:
kiewicz@someplace.net.net (Pat Kiewicz) wrote in
news:eOCdnUALMKBUlK7anZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d@comcast.com:
*nemo* said:
johac wrote:
Robberson and Ghouliani. The very odd couple.
Robertson is just trying desperately to look like he's still relevant.
Otherwise, he would have supported a candidate, regardless of how far
back in the pack, that was as anti-liberty as he is.
Oh, I dunno. Giuliani seems like a guy who'll advance
authoritarianism in a big way.
My favorite Giuliani-related quote, from Joe Biden:
Sen. Joe Biden nails Rudy Giuliani during Tuesday's MSNBC debate: "And
the irony is, Rudy Giuliani, probably the most underqualified man since
George Bush to seek the presidency, is here talking about any of the
people here. Rudy Giuliani... I mean, think about it! Rudy Giuliani.
There's only three things he mentions in a sentence -- a noun, a verb,
and 9/11. There's nothing else! There's nothing else! And I mean this
sincerely. He's genuinely not qualified to be president."
I know. I can't believe that he is the Republican front runner. then
again, I recall saying the same things about Bush in 2000. And if
anything, the Supreme Court is even more lopsided this time.
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John #1782
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 03:10:56 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:06:17 -0600, in alt.atheism ,
kiewicz@someplace.net.net (Pat Kiewicz) in
<eOCdnUALMKBUlK7anZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:
[snip]
No, I think Robertson pretty much decided to pick what he think is the
only horse in a race full of nags. (The last thing he wants is for the
religious right to a Ralph Nadar-type 'purity party' thing in 2008.)
I agree with your analysis (though he could have taken a chance with
Huckabee) but this produces probably the strangest bit of politics I
have ever seen. Robertson said that 9/11 was God's punishment of the
U.S. because of our support for abortion and gay rights. So Robertson
is going to support a candidate in favor of gay rights and legal
abortion because of Giuliani's response to 9/11. It just makes no
sense at all no matter how many times I look at it. Unless, that is,
Robertson wants another 9/11.
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Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Pat Robertson's Giuliani Endorsement |
08 Nov 2007 06:37:03 PM |
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In article <13j5psad3hrq69e@corp.supernews.com>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
Robberson and Ghouliani. The very odd couple.
Robertson is just trying desperately to look like he's still relevant.
Otherwise, he would have supported a candidate, regardless of how far
back in the pack, that was as anti-liberty as he is.
True. Pat has only a memory of his former power. He is fast heading for
irrelevancy. Hopefully that's a sign of things to come.
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John #1782
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| User: "raven1" |
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08 Nov 2007 12:41:19 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:40:10 -0500, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
Robberson and Ghouliani. The very odd couple.
Robertson is just trying desperately to look like he's still relevant.
Otherwise, he would have supported a candidate, regardless of how far
back in the pack, that was as anti-liberty as he is.
He did.
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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