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Paul Davies |
Einstein, the first spin doctor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1189322,00.html
An experiment to test the theory of relativity could rock the science
world
Paul Davies
Saturday April 10, 2004
The Guardian
The birth of science as we know it arguably began with Isaac Newton's
formulation of the laws of gravitation and motion. It is no
exaggeration to say that physics was reborn in the early 20th-century
with the twin revolutions of quantum mechanics and the theory of
relativity. The latter was famously the brainchild of Albert Einstein,
and attained its general form as a theory of gravitation, motion and
space-time structure.
Paul Davies
http://news.google.com/news?q=%20%22Paul%20Davies%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Paul+Davies%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=nw&sa=N
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Einstein
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| User: "david ford" |
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10 Apr 2004 09:18:13 PM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0404100251.4a52fef0@posting.google.com>...
Einstein, the first spin doctor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1189322,00.html
An experiment to test the theory of relativity could rock the science
world
Paul Davies
Saturday April 10, 2004
The Guardian
The birth of science as we know it arguably began with Isaac Newton's
formulation of the laws of gravitation and motion. It is no
exaggeration to say that physics was reborn in the early 20th-century
with the twin revolutions of quantum mechanics and the theory of
relativity. The latter was famously the brainchild of Albert Einstein,
and attained its general form as a theory of gravitation, motion and
space-time structure.
Paul Davies
http://news.google.com/news?q=%20%22Paul%20Davies%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Paul+Davies%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=nw&sa=N
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Paul%20Davies&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
1999 Davies, 1992 Yockey, & 1968 Polanyi: [Davies]"life cannot be
'written into' the laws of physics" presently known
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402152147.31e8cc6f%40posting.google.com
Davies, National Academy of Sciences, Dawkins, Feynman
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990511230015.1040149B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Gould, Davies, Yockey, Thaxton (a creationist)
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990510174524.238430A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
The Search for a Loophole to the Beginning of the Universe
in the Big Bang and to the Seeming-Design of Physics
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10005292327160.25513-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980828014215.21206A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Einstein
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| User: "maff" |
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11 Apr 2004 03:28:36 AM |
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(david ford) wrote in message news:<b1c67abe.0404101819.54ea49dc@posting.google.com>...
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0404100251.4a52fef0@posting.google.com>...
Einstein, the first spin doctor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1189322,00.html
An experiment to test the theory of relativity could rock the science
world
Paul Davies
Saturday April 10, 2004
The Guardian
The birth of science as we know it arguably began with Isaac Newton's
formulation of the laws of gravitation and motion. It is no
exaggeration to say that physics was reborn in the early 20th-century
with the twin revolutions of quantum mechanics and the theory of
relativity. The latter was famously the brainchild of Albert Einstein,
and attained its general form as a theory of gravitation, motion and
space-time structure.
Paul Davies
http://news.google.com/news?q=%20%22Paul%20Davies%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Paul+Davies%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=nw&sa=N
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Paul%20Davies&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
1999 Davies, 1992 Yockey, & 1968 Polanyi: [Davies]"life cannot be
'written into' the laws of physics" presently known
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402152147.31e8cc6f%40posting.google.com
Davies, National Academy of Sciences, Dawkins, Feynman
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990511230015.1040149B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Gould, Davies, Yockey, Thaxton (a creationist)
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990510174524.238430A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
The Search for a Loophole to the Beginning of the Universe
in the Big Bang and to the Seeming-Design of Physics
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10005292327160.25513-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980828014215.21206A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
But David Ford is a well known Christian Taliban historian with no
scientific credibilty.
Einstein
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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11 Apr 2004 04:10:03 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:18:13 +0000, david ford wrote:
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
The important question is, did he have any evidence bearing on the
question.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "david ford" |
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11 Apr 2004 09:22:39 AM |
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"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.11.09.13.08.582836@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:18:13 +0000, david ford wrote:
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
The important question is, did he have any evidence bearing on the
question.
Einstein had his personal experience with physics to draw on in
reaching his conclusion.
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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11 Apr 2004 10:28:08 AM |
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david ford wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.11.09.13.08.582836@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:18:13 +0000, david ford wrote:
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
The important question is, did he have any evidence bearing on the
question.
Einstein had his personal experience with physics to draw on in
reaching his conclusion.
Einstein was an agnostic who also accepted all of cosmology and all of
evolution. <shrug>
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| User: "david ford" |
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13 Apr 2004 07:31:30 AM |
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"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message news:<4079645f$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
david ford wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.11.09.13.08.582836@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:18:13 +0000, david ford wrote:
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
The important question is, did he have any evidence bearing on the
question.
Einstein had his personal experience with physics to draw on in
reaching his conclusion.
Einstein was an agnostic who also accepted all of cosmology and all of
evolution. <shrug>
Einstein was a deist and not an agnostic. There is a difference.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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13 Apr 2004 07:58:54 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:31:30 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, david ford
(dford3@gl.umbc.edu (david ford)) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message news:<4079645f$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
david ford wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.11.09.13.08.582836@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:18:13 +0000, david ford wrote:
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
The important question is, did he have any evidence bearing on the
question.
Einstein had his personal experience with physics to draw on in
reaching his conclusion.
Einstein was an agnostic who also accepted all of cosmology and all of
evolution. <shrug>
Einstein was a deist and not an agnostic. There is a difference.
Nah, Spinozian pantheist.
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| User: "david ford" |
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13 Apr 2004 03:22:52 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<g2pn70ti90ocqeetmv438uhj6ms1g44ik2@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:31:30 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, david ford
(dford3@gl.umbc.edu (david ford)) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message news:<4079645f$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
david ford wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.11.09.13.08.582836@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:18:13 +0000, david ford wrote:
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
The important question is, did he have any evidence bearing on the
question.
Einstein had his personal experience with physics to draw on in
reaching his conclusion.
Einstein was an agnostic who also accepted all of cosmology and all of
evolution. <shrug>
Einstein was a deist and not an agnostic. There is a difference.
Nah, Spinozian pantheist.
Let's see what Einstein statements you have in support of this claim.
We can then compare them with what I presented.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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13 Apr 2004 03:38:00 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:22:52 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, david ford
(dford3@gl.umbc.edu (david ford)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<g2pn70ti90ocqeetmv438uhj6ms1g44ik2@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:31:30 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, david ford
(dford3@gl.umbc.edu (david ford)) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message news:<4079645f$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
david ford wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.11.09.13.08.582836@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:18:13 +0000, david ford wrote:
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
The important question is, did he have any evidence bearing on the
question.
Einstein had his personal experience with physics to draw on in
reaching his conclusion.
Einstein was an agnostic who also accepted all of cosmology and all of
evolution. <shrug>
Einstein was a deist and not an agnostic. There is a difference.
Nah, Spinozian pantheist.
Let's see what Einstein statements you have in support of this claim.
We can then compare them with what I presented.
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
actions of human beings." Upon being asked if he believed in God by
Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York,
April 24, 1921, Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, Page
502.
Which I rather thinks trumps anything you might have.
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| User: "Eros" |
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13 Apr 2004 09:57:52 PM |
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(david ford) wrote in message news:<b1c67abe.0404130432.3d4f2005@posting.google.com>...
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message news:<4079645f$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
david ford wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.11.09.13.08.582836@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:18:13 +0000, david ford wrote:
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
The important question is, did he have any evidence bearing on the
question.
Einstein had his personal experience with physics to draw on in
reaching his conclusion.
Einstein was an agnostic who also accepted all of cosmology and all of
evolution. <shrug>
Einstein was a deist and not an agnostic. There is a difference.
As usual, you are totally incorrect.
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God
is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share
the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is
mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of
religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of
humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual
understanding of nature and of our own being." [Albert Einstein to Guy
H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, from article by Michael R. Gilmore in
Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997]
"[My] deep religiosity... found an abrupt ending at the age of twelve,
through the reading of popular scientific books." [Albert Einstein, as
quoted in Einstein, History, and Other Passions, p. 172]
"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. The religion
which based on experience, which refuses dogmatic. If there's any
religion that would cope the scientific needs it will be Buddhism...."
[Albert Einstein]
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or
has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I
nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his
physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish
such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life
and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the
existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a
portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in
nature." [Albert Einstein,The World as I See It]
"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the
actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures
of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that
mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt
by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the
breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble
admiratation of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in
the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can
comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but
for us, not for God." [Albert Einstein, from Albert Einstein: The
Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton
University Press, p.66]
"I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes
evil." [Albert Einstein, as quoted in a memoir by Life editory William
Miller in Life, May 2, 1955]
"If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every
human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and
aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding
men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty
Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain
extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with
the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?" [Albert Einstein, Out
of My Later Years (New York: Philosophical Library, 1950), p. 27.]
http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_AEinstein.htm
EROS.
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"What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person
with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that
has nothing to do with mysticism." [Albert Einstein]
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| User: "R.Schenck" |
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13 Apr 2004 10:59:05 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> on 13 Apr 2004 posted
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:22:52 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, david ford
(dford3@gl.umbc.edu (david ford)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:<g2pn70ti90ocqeetmv438uhj6ms1g44ik2@4ax.com>...
snip
Einstein was an agnostic who also accepted all of cosmology and
all of evolution. <shrug>
Einstein was a deist and not an agnostic. There is a difference.
Nah, Spinozian pantheist.
Let's see what Einstein statements you have in support of this claim.
We can then compare them with what I presented.
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
actions of human beings." Upon being asked if he believed in God by
Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York,
April 24, 1921, Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, Page
502.
Obviously you have taken this out of context. Besides, what, if
anything, is wrong or right about spinoza?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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14 Apr 2004 12:16:19 AM |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:59:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, R.Schenck
("R.Schenck" <nygdan_morteauxspam@yahoo.com>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> on 13 Apr 2004 posted
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:22:52 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, david ford
(dford3@gl.umbc.edu (david ford)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:<g2pn70ti90ocqeetmv438uhj6ms1g44ik2@4ax.com>...
snip
Einstein was an agnostic who also accepted all of cosmology and
all of evolution. <shrug>
Einstein was a deist and not an agnostic. There is a difference.
Nah, Spinozian pantheist.
Let's see what Einstein statements you have in support of this claim.
We can then compare them with what I presented.
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony
of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and
actions of human beings." Upon being asked if he believed in God by
Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York,
April 24, 1921, Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, Page
502.
Obviously you have taken this out of context.
Erm, "obviously".
Besides, what, if
anything, is wrong or right about spinoza?
Many of his contemporaries thought him an atheist?
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
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10 Apr 2004 10:58:17 PM |
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david ford wrote:
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0404100251.4a52fef0@posting.google.com>...
Einstein, the first spin doctor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1189322,00.html
An experiment to test the theory of relativity could rock the science
world
Paul Davies
Saturday April 10, 2004
The Guardian
The birth of science as we know it arguably began with Isaac Newton's
formulation of the laws of gravitation and motion. It is no
exaggeration to say that physics was reborn in the early 20th-century
with the twin revolutions of quantum mechanics and the theory of
relativity. The latter was famously the brainchild of Albert Einstein,
and attained its general form as a theory of gravitation, motion and
space-time structure.
Paul Davies
http://news.google.com/news?q=%20%22Paul%20Davies%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Paul+Davies%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=nw&sa=N
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Paul%20Davies&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
1999 Davies, 1992 Yockey, & 1968 Polanyi: [Davies]"life cannot be
'written into' the laws of physics" presently known
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0402152147.31e8cc6f%40posting.google.com
Davies, National Academy of Sciences, Dawkins, Feynman
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990511230015.1040149B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Gould, Davies, Yockey, Thaxton (a creationist)
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990510174524.238430A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
The Search for a Loophole to the Beginning of the Universe
in the Big Bang and to the Seeming-Design of Physics
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10005292327160.25513-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
Einstein thought a super-intelligence designed physics
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.980828014215.21206A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Einstein
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What, if anything, is the scientific theory of creation. How, if any
way, can we test it using the scientific method. Why, if any reason,
won't Ford answer those two simple questions.
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Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: Paul Davies |
11 Apr 2004 09:24:09 AM |
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"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message news:<4078c2af$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of creation. How, if any
way, can we test it using the scientific method. Why, if any reason,
won't Ford answer those two simple questions.
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of
mindless-processes-can-do-it-all. How, if any way, can we test it
using the scientific method. Why, if any reason, won't Lenny answer
those two simple questions.
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| User: "H,R.Gruemm" |
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11 Apr 2004 04:11:05 PM |
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(david ford) wrote in message news:<b1c67abe.0404110625.49bd71e4@posting.google.com>...
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message news:<4078c2af$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of creation. How, if any
way, can we test it using the scientific method. Why, if any reason,
won't Ford answer those two simple questions.
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of
mindless-processes-can-do-it-all.
Evolution by natural selection, genetic drift, various speciation
mechanisms ?
How, if any way, can we test it
using the scientific method.
How can we test that electrons are *not* pushed around by small
leprechauns ?
How can we test that planets are *not* guided by invisible angels ?
How can we test that turbulent flows are *not* made by the Great
Turbulator ? After all, we cannot derive them from the "mindless"
Navier-Stokes equations.
How can we test that energy levels in uranium nuclei are *not*
supernaturally influenced ? We certainly cannot solve the relativistic
238-body problem for nuclear forces.
Etc. Etc.
Regards,
HRG.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Paul Davies |
11 Apr 2004 02:13:17 PM |
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(david ford) wrote in message news:<b1c67abe.0404110625.49bd71e4@posting.google.com>...
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message news:<4078c2af$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of creation. How, if any
way, can we test it using the scientific method. Why, if any reason,
won't Ford answer those two simple questions.
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of
mindless-processes-can-do-it-all. How, if any way, can we test it
using the scientific method. Why, if any reason, won't Lenny answer
those two simple questions.
But it's Christian Taliban historian, David Ford, who has to face the questioning.
Christians -- Not All Bad!
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=15152
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: Paul Davies |
11 Apr 2004 08:32:56 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:24:09 +0000, david ford wrote:
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:<4078c2af$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of creation. How, if any
way, can we test it using the scientific method. Why, if any reason,
won't Ford answer those two simple questions.
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of
mindless-processes-can-do-it-all.
I'm not aware of any scientific claim that mindless (or any other)
processes can do it all. Hence the lack of any such theory.
However, if you want a theory about mindless processes doing something in
particular that really happens, tell us what you have in mind and maybe we
can point you to the right theory.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: Paul Davies |
13 Apr 2004 07:43:08 AM |
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Bobby D. Bryant <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.12.01.36.08.388018@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:24:09 +0000, david ford wrote:
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:<4078c2af$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of creation. How, if any
way, can we test it using the scientific method. Why, if any reason,
won't Ford answer those two simple questions.
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of
mindless-processes-can-do-it-all.
I'm not aware of any scientific claim that mindless (or any other)
processes can do it all. Hence the lack of any such theory.
However, if you want a theory about mindless processes doing something in
particular that really happens, tell us what you have in mind and maybe we
can point you to the right theory.
[BB]"if you want a theory about mindless processes doing something in
particular that really happens" For doing something, how about
causing life to arise from non-life.
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| User: "Eros" |
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13 Apr 2004 10:23:35 PM |
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(david ford) wrote in message news:<b1c67abe.0404130444.3681c414@posting.google.com>...
Bobby D. Bryant <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.12.01.36.08.388018@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:24:09 +0000, david ford wrote:
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:<4078c2af$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of creation. How, if any
way, can we test it using the scientific method. Why, if any reason,
won't Ford answer those two simple questions.
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of
mindless-processes-can-do-it-all.
I'm not aware of any scientific claim that mindless (or any other)
processes can do it all. Hence the lack of any such theory.
However, if you want a theory about mindless processes doing something in
particular that really happens, tell us what you have in mind and maybe we
can point you to the right theory.
[BB]"if you want a theory about mindless processes doing something in
particular that really happens" For doing something, how about
causing life to arise from non-life.
Explain chemically why "life from non-life" is impossible. It would
help if your explanation included specific examples of critical
chemical reactions required for life that, you think, are
thermodynamically impossible, or require supernatural intervention.
If you believe that supernatural intervention is required in any
stage, please provide detailed evidence which proves that no natural
chemical mechanism is capable of performing that step.
Good luck!
EROS.
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"Will you speak falsely for God, and speak deceitfully for him?"
Job 13:7
"Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not
see."
Hebrews 11:1
"Believers are justified in all things."
Acts 13:39
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| User: "Ian Braidwood" |
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| Title: Re: Paul Davies |
14 Apr 2004 02:23:34 AM |
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(david ford) wrote in message news:<b1c67abe.0404130444.3681c414@posting.google.com>...
[BB]"if you want a theory about mindless processes doing something in
particular that really happens" For doing something, how about
causing life to arise from non-life.
This question would have some force if you could answer it.
Instead, you demonstrate how religion is the enemy of truth by
dictating how questions are framed to conform with doctrine. There has
to be some 'thing' for God to 'breathe' into flesh and make it live,
so those who wish to enquire into life must be mislead or face the
wrath of the clergy. A more cogent arguement for secularism is hard to
find.
(-: Ian :-)
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: Paul Davies |
14 Apr 2004 12:44:45 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:43:08 +0000, david ford wrote:
Bobby D. Bryant <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.04.12.01.36.08.388018@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:24:09 +0000, david ford wrote:
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message
news:<4078c2af$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of creation. How, if
any way, can we test it using the scientific method. Why, if any
reason, won't Ford answer those two simple questions.
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of
mindless-processes-can-do-it-all.
I'm not aware of any scientific claim that mindless (or any other)
processes can do it all. Hence the lack of any such theory.
However, if you want a theory about mindless processes doing something
in particular that really happens, tell us what you have in mind and
maybe we can point you to the right theory.
[BB]"if you want a theory about mindless processes doing something in
particular that really happens"
For doing something, how about causing life to arise from non-life.
AFAIK there is no generally accepted theory for that yet. However, there
are some hypotheses, including a number of papers that Lilith and others
have posted the abstracts for lately. (Holler if you want to read them
and can't find them on dejagoogle.)
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "\Rev Dr\ Lenny Flank" |
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| Title: Re: Paul Davies |
11 Apr 2004 10:27:19 AM |
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david ford wrote:
"\"Rev Dr\" Lenny Flank" <lflank_nospam@ij.net> wrote in message news:<4078c2af$1_4@corp.newsgroups.com>...
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of creation. How, if any
way, can we test it using the scientific method. Why, if any reason,
won't Ford answer those two simple questions.
What, if anything, is the scientific theory of
mindless-processes-can-do-it-all. How, if any way, can we test it
using the scientific method. Why, if any reason, won't Lenny answer
those two simple questions.
Nice evasion. I do of course understand that you're not bright enough
to come up with an original rejoinder.
But do think that you just answered my questions.
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Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
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